How Did the 'Berlin Patient' Rid Himself of HIV? 107
sciencehabit writes: Researchers are closer to unraveling the mystery of how Timothy Ray Brown, the only human cured of HIV, defeated the virus, according to a new study. Although the work doesn't provide a definitive answer, it rules out one possible explanation. [R]esearchers point to three different factors that could independently or in combination have rid Brown’s body of HIV. The first is the process of conditioning, in which doctors destroyed Brown’s own immune system with chemotherapy and whole body irradiation to prepare him for his bone marrow transplant. His oncologist, Gero Hütter, who was then with the Free University of Berlin, also took an extra step that he thought might not only cure the leukemia but also help rid Brown’s body of HIV. He found a bone marrow donor who had a rare mutation in a gene that cripples a key receptor on white blood cells the virus uses to establish an infection. (For years, researchers referred to Brown as "the Berlin patient.") The third possibility is his new immune system attacked remnants of his old one that held HIV-infected cells, a process known as graft versus host disease.
Host versus graft disease (Score:1)
Maybe the disease rejected him?
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Missing in the Summary (Score:2, Interesting)
Although the work doesn't provide a definitive answer, it rules out one possible explanation
...that conditioning by itself likely cannot rid the body of the AIDS virus.
Re:Missing in the Summary (Score:4, Informative)
OP said "AIDS virus", not AIDS. HIV is the virus that causes AIDS. Calling HIV the AIDS virus is no different than calling rhinovirus the "common cold virus".
(Unless you're one of those [wikipedia.org] people...)
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Today I already knew: People will deny anything, even the obvious.
Informative +10! Thanks.
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Although the work doesn't provide a definitive answer, it rules out one possible explanation
...that conditioning by itself likely cannot rid the body of the AIDS virus.
No but a significant percentage of Europeans are resistant to HIV. Not sure what the news are here, Germans in general should have 25% chance of fighting off an HIV infection.
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Although the work doesn't provide a definitive answer, it rules out one possible explanation
...that conditioning by itself likely cannot rid the body of the AIDS virus.
No but a significant percentage of Europeans are resistant to HIV. Not sure what the news are here, Germans in general should have 25% chance of fighting off an HIV infection.
You're a bit confused. Some Europeans (between 4% and 16%) carry a mutatation [wikipedia.org] that reduces their likelihood of contracting specific HIV strains. The bone marrow donor mentioned in the summary had two copies of this mutated gene, which is a possible contributor to the "cure".
Re:Missing in the Summary (Score:5, Interesting)
IMO he probably still has traces of the virus within his body somewhere, but in such small quantities that it's undetectable. Other viruses are known to do this, such as chickenpox, which can resurface later in the form of shingles if the immune system ever weakens. Except HIV feeds off of the immune system itself, so it's likely he'll never see symptoms of it again.
However it would be unwise for him to do whatever he did to contract it in the first place as he could either spread his to somebody else or contract another variation of the disease that doesn't rely on the same receptor that he is now immune to (and yes, he does fit the "risk category" demographic if you haven't read his history.)
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Little known fact: a person with HIV who has access to the right retroviral drugs and takes them on time is practically unable to transmit HIV during sex. There are now anecdotes about HIV positive men who have had sex without using a condom with hundreds of non-HIV positive men without a single instance of transmitting the virus.
Of course, these people still transmit other STD:s.
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Good for them, I guess? Still nothing I would ever want to validate experimentally...
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Somebody could take over the world with whatever they're using to convince people to participate in those experiments as far as I'm concerned.
Outcome A) They were right and presumably they pay you.
Outcome B) You now have HIV.
"No, no! We're reeeeally sure it's gonna be B. Almost positive. We just need more data."
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So they're choosing to be stupid already, might as well be stupid for science?
Can't argue there, I suppose.
Re:Missing in the Summary (Score:5, Insightful)
Call me old fashioned, but if you know you're HIV+, and have unprotected sex with hundreds of people ... you're an asshole.
I find it hard to believe all of those people have had the benefit of informed consent.
And, for what it's worth, yes, I do know people who are HIV+, and yes, they're gay men.
Stuff like this is what people have been trying to combat.
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Call me old fashioned, but if you know you're HIV+, and have unprotected sex with hundreds of people ... you're an asshole.
I find it hard to believe all of those people have had the benefit of informed consent.
And, for what it's worth, yes, I do know people who are HIV+, and yes, they're gay men.
Stuff like this is what people have been trying to combat.
Yeah, the reason why these anecdotes are believable is that they are based on criminal investigations and court proceedings. As you might guess, some of those hundreds of men were not too happy.
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s /asshole/attempted murderer/
FTFY.
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i think you should be a 'felon' at that point.
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How droll! (in my best Fred Flintstone voice)
Re:Missing in the Summary (Score:4, Funny)
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time is practically unable to transmit HIV during sex.
No they are able to, just not likely. When it does happen, the results tend to be pretty bad as the virus that DOES spread tends to be resistant to multiple anti-HIV drugs, which means the recipient will be SOL when it comes to treatment and no amount of therapy will prevent the development of full blown aids.
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What about the non-HIV positive women they had sex with?
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What about the non-HIV positive women they had sex with?
Penis in anus sex has a much higher risk of transmitting HIV compared to penis in vagina sex. We're talking something like a factor of ten difference.
It has always been a little bit mysterious that HIV manages to spread epidemically among heterosexual people who don't use iv drugs in Africa. I don't know if this mystery has been resolved yet.
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and takes them on time
What's the rate on women forgetting to take The Pill and getting pregnant, anyway? Perhaps putting too fine a point on it, but I expect it's still a damn sight easier to get an abortion than to get un-HIV'd.
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Simple. He's Immortal (Score:5, Funny)
He can't die, you fool, unless his head comes away from his neck.
now that he's outed, expect a seven-foot lunatic with a sword to come after him.
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He was not the Juan.
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Not a thorough analysis (Score:5, Funny)
Does the subject possess any mysterious rings, amulets, or lamps?
Does he make sacrifices to chthonic gods, and if so, which?
Did he recently undertake a quest to bring together a collection of ancient magic gems?
Is the hospital frequented by a wizard or a druid cult?
I appreciate the work they did, but when they don't even consider the patient being swapped with his twin from an alternate dimension it's hard to call it rigorous.
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it's never lupus.
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This is how my ex swears she was cured of lupus.
Did you run like hell before or after she was cured?
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He collected exactly 100 gold coins
Immune Lagann (Score:2)
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Take that, Viral!
graft versus host disease (Score:1)
I am no dr. but come on! (Score:1, Funny)
1. radiation treatment
2. bone marrow from an x-man
my money is on #2.
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there are only 2 things here: 1. radiation treatment 2. bone marrow from an x-man my money is on #2.
Only problem is that the best match for super-healing happens to have an adamantium skeleton. Good luck getting bone marrow out of Wolverine!
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That's what the giant samurai robot was for.
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I remember an article about Magic Johnson curing his HIV infection by an expensive (~$60k I think) bone marrow transplant..
Magic Johnson denies those claims about expensive treatments etc . btw
Wow (Score:1)
Summary missing punchline (Score:5, Informative)
According to the summary
Although the work doesn't provide a definitive answer, it rules out one possible explanation. [R]esearchers point to three different factors that could independently or in combination have rid Brown’s body of HIV.
Unfortunately the summary forgets to mention the explanation that was ruled out or even clearly delineate the three different factors (though the latter was more the fault of the original article).
From my reading of TFA:
Explanation 1: Conditioning: The radiation that destroyed his immune system also killed off the HIV (because HIV lives in the cells of the immune system).
Explanation 2: Shiny new immune system: The new bone marrow had a mutation that was immune to HIV and that cured him (maybe by detecting and killing HIV infected cells?).
Explanation 3: Graft vs host: The new immune system killed off his old one, not just the HIV infected cells but all the old immune systems cells including those infected with HIV.
So the researchers took chimps, extracted some stem cells (bone marrow?), infected them with SHIV (Simian HIV), destroyed their immune systems with radiation, then reinjected the uninfected stem cells.
The SHIV quickly came back which rules out explanation 1.
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Resistant would probably be a more accurate description than immune, with significant exposure even people with the mutation would still get infected eventually. Originally it was speculated that the mutation could have been selected for during the black death, but I believe that turned out to be largely bogus.
Re:Summary missing punchline (Score:4, Informative)
citation: http://www.nature.com/scitable... [nature.com]
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Minor note: It's SIV, not SHIV. SHIV would stand for Simian Human Immunodeficiency Virus.
Re:Summary missing punchline (Score:4, Informative)
That's because they used SHIV, a hybrid virus, not SIV. They chose SHIV because it's response to anti-retrovirals resembles that of HIV.
To any fundamentalists who may have stumbled in... (Score:2, Funny)
Looks like those curses from god just ain't what they used to be. :-)
Re:To any fundamentalists who may have stumbled in (Score:4, Funny)
Partially due to above circumstances, on a long enough scale, Pastafarian mortality approaches 100%.
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Is it true your god condemns the unfaithful to die moaning in ecstasy, one bite before the end of a plate of pasta in a wine/blue cheese/garlic sauce?
With the help of AIDS of course (Score:2)
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So eating a lot of protein cures HIV? Who knew. I guess those idiot physicians and biochemists and infectious disease specialists and epidemiologists just don't understand anything a pharmaceutical rep doesn't tell them.
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No.
Again, when the virus stips your cells to make more of its own offspring - this is normal viral activity - it does something other viruses don't do, it also strips out selenium.
So they tried supplementing with just selenium and that helped but did not reverse the disease.
So they looked at what other essential (the body can't make them) molecules it took from the body and ignored non-essential (the body can make more of those molecules and doesn't have to ingest them) molecules the virus stripped from the
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So, it's a little like fixing a Windows machine (Score:2)
Format the drive and reinstall all your software. Probably takes the same amount of time, too.
May still be infected. (Score:2)
I know they are pronouncing him "cured".
That's the funny thing about diseases like HIV.
The simple fact is, it may STILL be in his system. Just, currently, in quantities far too low to be detected.
But, give it a couple years. And out of his blood/bone marrow/organs, it'll come. And it'll multiply into life threatening numbers again.
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It's already been a few years.
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It's already been a few years.
Yes. AND?
Do people exposed to HIV immediately begin developing non-hodgkins lymphomas and a completely compromised immune system?
No.
Has this person POSSIBLY extended their life? Maybe.
But going "It's been X years, he's clear!" with something like HIV is a dangerous precedent.