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Updating the Integrated Space Plan 65

garyebickford writes 'Space Finance Group (in which I'm a partner) has launched a Kickstarter to fund updating the "famous Integrated Space Plan", created by Ron Jones at Rockwell International in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and can be found on walls in the industry even today. The new Plan will be a poster, but also will provide the initial core data for a new website. The permanent link will be As additional resources become available the website will be able to contain much more information, with (eventually) advanced data management (possibly including sources like Linked Data) and visualization tools to become a resource for education, research, entertainment, and business analytics. The group also hopes to support curated crowdsourcing of some data, and is talking to Space Development companies about providing data about themselves. They hope to be able to construct new timelines and show the relations between events and entities — companies, agencies, people, etc.'
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Updating the Integrated Space Plan

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 07, 2014 @05:08PM (#47187515)

    Never heard of it. Next time you pitch your project, perhaps explain what it is.

    • Sorry, I've been so involved. For those who aren't familiar the Maker Magazine article []is a good start. Of course the original link above has some info. And Google is your friend. :)

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Dude, you want my money. Don't tell me to Google what your project is about.

        • There's a link to Maker Magazine there. And the original link []. And somewhere here is a link to the BBC program ... ahh, here 'tis []. This program inspired us to offer a "huge" version for schools.

  • by Frosty Piss ( 770223 ) * on Saturday June 07, 2014 @05:19PM (#47187549)

    There are much more useful things to donate money to. If these folks believe this this is something people would buy and pin up on the wall ay home or their office, they can invest their own money and sell 'em to the ThinkGeek folks...

    • Re: Nope (Score:3, Informative)

      Back in the day there were several thousand printed and distributed, and that was just within the industry. Rockwell International used it as a pr tool, and a copy once hung behind the desk of the NASA administrator. We've been told by some in the space development community that seeing the original is what got them into it. BBC did a documentary on it in 2007. So it continues to be a big deal in the community.

      The original was not just "blue sky" fantasies but a compilation of what the engineers of the ti

  • by Animats ( 122034 ) on Saturday June 07, 2014 @05:26PM (#47187575) Homepage

    This is somebody asking for money for a TV commercial for an "integrated space plan"?

    We're almost done with space. Seen the moon; it's boring. Seen Mars, it's boring. Seen Phobos and Deimos; they're just rocks. No off-earth life; might find bacteria someday. Venus and inward are too hot; outward of Mars is too cold. Satellites work fine, both at GEO and LEO. Sending people to LEO is expensive fun; might catch on if gets cheaper.

    Mission accomplished!

    • No, we did the commercial, you can see it on the Kickstarter page.

    • We're almost done with space.

      We've barely begun. Just as an example, the amount of solar energy that passes closer than the Moon equals all the world's fossil fuel reserves every minute. How many Beowulf clusters could you run with that?

    • I agree that the sci fi style vision of humans in space will probably never happen, but it's entirely possible that with better technology, at some point the economics will shift do doing a lot of stuff in space instead of the Earth.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    A poster of the new integrated space plan is already widely available. It's a blank piece of paper - there is no plan.

    • Now see, if your school had had a poster on the wall you'd know better! :)

  • NSS roadmap (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Geoffrey.landis ( 926948 ) on Saturday June 07, 2014 @06:39PM (#47187827) Homepage

    Well, the National Space Society already has a space roadmap: []

    I will also unapologetically list my twenty-some-year old Footsteps to Mars, presented at Case for Mars V, Boulder CO, 26-29 May 1993. [] []

    • The NSS roadmap has a different focus, as does Dani Eder's Space Transport and Engineering Methods [] Wikibook. This wikibook is a good basic reference to the many technologies related to space, so we want to incorporate links to his work to allow folks on our website to learn more when desired. Dani supports our project, and has graciously allowed us to include references and links to his work in the Plan website. With permission, we can incorporate multiple roadmaps as part of the website or by reference,

    • I hit 'submit' too fast ... I'll be reading your papers later tonight. I am glad to know about them. We may want to include links to them in the website, and we'll also be assembling a community of folks who are advising or otherwise helping build the system.

      • Give us a fancy name, and we can be a counterweight to the National Academies' reactionary reports. They assemble panels of prestigious and *old* people to review NASA's plans, and usually conclude it can't be done, because they fail to include forward-looking ideas. We need to generate reports for the future, not the past.

        Dani Eder

        • Indeed. I think this might be a very useful part of the project. I'll include it in the plan! And hopefully you and Geoffrey will participate!

  • by 0123456 ( 636235 ) on Saturday June 07, 2014 @07:39PM (#47188045)

    It's about as sensible as Columbus producing an 'Integrated America Plan' for how America would develop, or someone in the 50s producing an 'Integrated Computing Plan' for how computers would develop until 2050.

    All we need is cheap access to space, and plain old unplanned, couldn't-give-a-crap-what-you-think humans will do the rest.

    • It all takes planning. The Space Shuttle took nine years from initial plan to launch. It took almost 10 years of a crash program to get humans to the Moon. We do need cheap access to space, or at least cheaper. SpaceX was founded in 2002, and now after 13 years is only a year or two from launching a human into space. And those are single programs, not an entire movement.

      But in a larger sense, you are right. Our approach to the new Plan is that there are many entities, each doing their own thing in a c

    • by AJWM ( 19027 )

      As the saying goes, no (battle) plan survives contact with the enemy. That doesn't mean such a plan has no use whatsoever.

      An 'Integrated America Plan' or an 'Integrated Computing Plan' would of course be ludicrous in hindsight. (Just as is the original Integrated Space Plan). But such plans have the power to inspire people. To make people think "hey, I see a better option over here". To encourage people to make it so. To dream things that never were and say "why not?"

      Sure, if we had cheap access to sp

    • I disagree. What long range plans do is identify current technical deficiencies and priorities for research and development. For example, Elon Musk has a goal to colonize Mars, and is making great progress on cheap rockets. But even cheap rockets won't be enough. You can't afford to haul everything you need to live on Mars from Earth. So you need to develop local mining and production technology. Compared to rocketry, that field is severely undeveloped. Thus knowing that Mars is a goal in 20-30 years

  • I skimmed the front page, and misread the title to this story as "Updating the Integrated Space Pen". Intrigued at what those ambitious scamps at the Fisher Space Pen company might be up to, I skimmed the summary for links and misread the address of the linked website as "". I still have no idea what the story is actually about, but I thought I'd chip in my contribution anyway.

    All in all, the start of a perfect Slashdot Sunday for me...

    • Funny! :D
      I even checked out - it exists, but the domain is parked. Maybe there's an opportunity for someone - a discussion site for skeptics, of everything? The motto could be "News you can ignore, arguments you disagree with." :) I'd say that there is a need for a site where folks who disagree with everything can go and agree that everything else is crap, but most discussion sites are filled with them already.

      Anyway, I enjoyed your comment. :)

  • >> visualization ...crowdsourcing the industry...BINGO!!!

I've got a bad feeling about this.