The Andromeda Galaxy Just Had a Bright Gamma Ray Event 129
First time accepted submitter SpaceMika (867804) writes "We just saw something bright in the Andromeda Galaxy, and we don't know what it was. A Gamma Ray Burst or an Ultraluminous X-Ray Object, either way it will be the closest of its type we've ever observed at just over 2 million light years away. It's the perfect distance: close enough to observe in unprecedented detail, and far enough to not kill us all."
far enough (Score:4, Funny)
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So I guess SETI won't be looking for life anywhere in the region then. Right? ... unless (as you said) it wouldn't necessarily kill us all.
Re:far enough (Score:5, Informative)
It would instantly fry half the planet. The rest of the planet gets to die slowly.
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Re: far enough (Score:1)
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"technically a nearby gamma ray burst would fry just half the planet. with any luck it would be antarctica or somewhere similar."
I think the andromeda galaxy is visible from more than just the polar regions, so it could fry whatever side of the planet is facing it at the time.
Of course if the axis of the burst (the black hole that caused it) is not pointed exactly at us then it wouldn't be quite so dangerous.
A really close GRB (in our galaxy) might only fry one side of the planet immediately, but it would s
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The phrase "a nearby gamma ray burst" does not actually imply "the andromeda galaxy", even though this particular (non-)event originated in Andromeda (well, actually this non-event originated in a computer on Earth, since it appears t
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technically a nearby gamma ray burst would fry just half the planet. with any luck it would be antarctica or somewhere similar.
and therefor it would kill my family members in Australia and NZ. Thanks, you unbelievably insensitive idiot
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Eh - still better. The northern hemisphere is far more populated and has much more land than the southern. All of North America, Europe, and Asia are in the Northern Hemisphere, as well as half of Africa, and a bit of South America. From a simple "number of lives" perspective it'd be better to hit the lower portion.
Re:far enough (Score:4, Interesting)
On the other hand, a northern hemisphere blast would go a long way to solving the myriad population-related problems our species is facing, freeing the survivors to focus far more exclusively on dealing with the the aftermath of the GRB.
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Ah yes, because civilization is the sole providence of the white man - as proven by the fact that his superior weaponry allowed him to conquer the world. Because obviously military technology is the only valid measure of a civilization - and never mind the fact that European science has its roots firmly in the advances made by the Muslim world before its own collapse, who in turn drew heavily on the advances of African, Indian, and Chinese civilizations.
And which world-wide civilization was that? And which
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Certainly not the flooding of the Mediterranean that was recorded in Sumerian legends and thence made it's way into Christian myths?
Isn't it unrealistic that the Zanclean flood [wikipedia.org], that ended the Mediterranean's latest dry phase [wikipedia.org] 5.33 million years ago (that's about 2 million years before the evolution of Australopitthecus afarensis [wikipedia.org]), should be recorded in Sumerian legends? Perhaps you're thinking of the Black Sea deluge [wikipedia.org], which might have occured somewhere between 7400 BD and 5600 BC (if it happened at all).
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As an Aussie I vote for frying the Arctic.
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I hate to respond to a troll, but even if I shared your racism I would realize that the Middle East is not "half the planet" by a long shot, and anything that got the ME would also get Europe, Africa, and parts of Asia, i.e. most of the people on the planet. It's right in the middle of it, that's why it's called "middle" east. At the right angle it might miss one of those continents, but at least 2 out of 3 would be toast.
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Move along. Nothing to see here.
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"Just had"? (Score:5, Funny)
Even for Slashdot 2 million years is a bit late.
Re:"Just had"? (Score:5, Funny)
The burst was created en route about 6000 years ago: So actually it never happened.
(Please don't mod insightful)
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If anything could motivate me to meta-mod, this will... :)
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The burst was created en route about 6000 years ago: So actually it never happened.
(Please don't mod insightful)
Why not? That would be funny.
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2 million years late of what? how do you sinchronize your clock here and 2 million light years away to measure that time. Oh, wait...
The moment you realize that when the light reach us is the same instant as when the light departed (considered it travelled in vacuum), you will start understanding relativity.
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The moment you realize that when the light reach us is the same instant as when the light departed (considered it travelled in vacuum), you will start understanding relativity.
Lolwut? It's the same instant to the light but it's not the same instant to us. That is relativity. Failing to mention the behaviour relative to the observer, and talking about "the same instant" as an absolute concept, is when you start looking like you don't understand relativity.
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woosh
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Tell that to the photons reaching us from the event for whom it literally just happened. There's no such thing as an absolute time scale. Thank you special theory of relativity!
Apparently it was a false alarm... (Score:5, Informative)
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I too was fixated on the word "Just" regardless of how old.
Wound in the Force (Score:5, Funny)
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Was it ever canonically established if the force is subject to the speed of light? Could we feel the voices crying out before seeing the event?
If it was no subject to the speed of light, and would be instantaneous, we would have felt it 2.2 Million years ago. If you want a great movie moment of having some "force-enabled" earthians feeling the disturbance right before the gamma ray reaches us, the information propagation speed in the force would be insignificantly smaller than that of light, as the event was (on the planetary scale) very far away.
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OK, if you're going to nerd out on the force, you have to remember that Star Wars had faster than light travel.
If ships can travel faster than light, why not "the force"? More specifically, if humans can do it, how could they do something the force couldn't? That would be impossible, since the force is everything.
And, second, there are no "force-enabled" humans ... it's fiction. ;-)
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And, the Millenium Falcon was traveling faster than light when he felt the disturbance.
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Ah, the Millenium Falcon... The spaceship that is so cool that it converts distance units to time units!
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Uhm - did the force/mitoclorians/whatever cause the Jedi to have insane reaction, or to instinctively predict events before they happened? If the latter, I'm thinking the force is able to time-travel ... speed-of-light then becomes irrelevant.
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IIRC, during Episode 1 Qui-Gon said Anakin was effectively predicting the future a very short time to speed up his reflexes. He called it a Jedi trick, and used it to catch Jar-Jar's tongue. Assuming special relativity is true, then FTL can exist if and only if time travel can exist.
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... as the event was (on the planetary scale) very far away.
Boo! What a perfect setup you had, and you blew it. What you should have said was:
... as the event was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away!
Re: Wound in the Force (Score:1)
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How fast is a midichlorian particle?
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About tree-fiddy.
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They can do the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.
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The funny thing is that even though Han says this the Imperial fleet routinely sticks with the Millenium Falcon and keeps engaged in combat with it through all three movies, even though that statement implies the ship is supposed to be "fast".
I think it's reasonable to believe that Han was just blustering and trying to get them on board. It was a reaction to Leia's dismayed "what a piece of junk!"
It was a sell job.
Re: Wound in the Force (Score:1)
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They travel at the speed of plot.
Re:Wound in the Force (Score:4, Insightful)
It's been a long time since I watched the movies, but I believe that very line likely canonically establishes that the force travels far faster than light. If The Force propagated at lightspeed then, unless they were actually in the Alderaan system at the time of the destruction, it would be at least a few years before the disturbance could be sensed. Assuming Alderaan had even a moderate level of translight traffic news of it's destruction would have spread through the empire by word-of-mouth long before light from the event reached even the nearest neighboring star.
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Hmm, so much for that idea. Unless...
Do we have any idea how fast they were traveling?
And are we talking theater minutes or movie-time minutes?
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False alarm -- just a normal background source (Score:5, Informative)
The team which announced the event has now figured out that it wasn't interesting after all:
TITLE: GCN CIRCULAR
NUMBER: 16336
SUBJECT: Swift trigger 600114 is not an outbursting X-ray source
DATE: 14/05/28 07:57:12 GMT
FROM: Kim Page at U.of Leicester
K.L. Page, P.A. Evans (U. Leicester), D.N. Burrows (PSU), V. D'Elia (ASDC) and A. Maselli (INAF-IASFPA) report on behalf of the Swift-XRT team:
We have re-analysed the prompt XRT data on Swift trigger 600114 (GCN Circ. 16332), taking advantage of the event data.
The initial count rate given in GCN Circ. 16332 was based on raw data from the full field of view, without X-ray event detection, and therefore may have been affected by other sources in M31, as well as background hot pixels. Analysis of the event data (not fully available at the time of the initial circular) shows the count rate of the X-ray source identified in GCN Circ. 16332 to have been 0.065 +/- 0.012 count s^-1, consistent with the previous observations of this source [see the 1SXPS catalogue (Evans et al. 2014): http://www.swift.ac.uk/1SXPS/1... [swift.ac.uk].
We therefore do not believe this source to be in outburst. Instead, it was a serendipitous constant source in the field of view of a BAT subthreshold trigger.
This circular is an official product of the Swift-XRT team.
Better luck next time.
Re:False alarm -- just a normal background source (Score:5, Informative)
And here's a very nice, easy-to-understand explanation of what happened, written by one of the SWIFT astronomers:
http://www.star.le.ac.uk/~pae9... [le.ac.uk]
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Re:False alarm -- just a normal background source (Score:4, Funny)
All it lacks is the blinking font.
It's there. But newer browsers ignore the blink tag.
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So this is just like all the other stories on Slasdot -- nothing actually happened.
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The dupe will be along in another million years or so.
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"While this is disappointing news, the possibility of observing such events in the future still hold great promise for new scientific research here on Earth," stated Dr. Bruce Banner, a leading scientist in gamma-ray research.
No, it's a ULX (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.star.le.ac.uk/~pae9... [le.ac.uk]
Uh oh (Score:2)
Really bad news for those aliens trying to contact us from there. Oh well.
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Relativity (Score:2)
Everything is relative, of course, but I'm not sure I would have run with the headline "The Andromeda Galaxy Just Had a Bright Gamma Ray Event" when the event occurred over two million years ago.
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Proper astronomers, like proper programmers, have their own coffee pots. This is doubly true for astronomers who happen to be programmers. What's a coffee line?
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Proper astronomers, like proper programmers, have their own coffee pots. This is doubly true for astronomers who happen to be programmers. What's a coffee line?
A coffee line is an unbroken succession of heredity in coffee plants. Did you think it was merely a coincidence that the Arecibo observatory was placed in the coffee growing region of Puerto Rico?
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I cannot deny this truth. Sir, you are a champion.
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It's just as 'right' to think of events as happening at the same time when you don't correct for speed of light time between them.
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If we're going to head down that road, we might as go ahead and note that time as humans perceive it is a purely fictitious construct based on limited perception (dimensional constraints). However, that's not a terribly good foundation for justifying failure to simply state things in terms that apply to our particular experience as a species.
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Well, because "Two million years ago something happened in the Andromeda galaxy, and we're only just finding out about it now" is a lame headline.
And in our frame of reference, it just happened. Or, apparently would have happened if it had actually happened, it just so happens that it didn't actually happen. Though, in the future something might happen. But nothing happened today in Andromeda. Even the thing which didn't happen. Because it would have happened a long time ago if it had happened. And if
Define "us" (Score:3)
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Woops! Nevermind. (Score:5, Informative)
This has been withdrawn. From
http://gcn.gsfc.nasa.gov/gcn/g... [nasa.gov]
We therefore do not believe this source to be in outburst. Instead, it was
a serendipitous constant source in the field of view of a BAT subthreshold
trigger.
This circular is an official product of the Swift-XRT team.
False Alarm (Score:1)
False Alarm:
Update (5/28/14 9:20 am EDT): This lalert may have been a false alarm. Further analysis showed the initial brightness was overestimated by a factor of 300. An official circular from the Swift-XRT team says Ãoetherefore do not believe this source to be in outburst. Instead, it was a serendipitous constant source in the field of view of a BAT subthreshold trigger.Ã WeÃ(TM)ll provide more details soon.
Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/112194/possible-gamma-ray-burst-detected-in
Jesus is coming (Score:5, Funny)
"The event" means Jesus is on his way. Go to church people
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"The event" means Jesus is on his way.
Ironic then that it's a false alarm.
But even if it did happen, it happened two million years ago, when mankind was little more than short walking chimps. Hard to believe Jesus made an enormous explosion in some other galaxy that would have no effect here 2 million years before being born. Or maybe you're just being funny. Hard to tell sometimes.
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http://web.archive.org/web/200... [archive.org]
Andromeda Rules (Score:1)
It was the Andromedans flashing a mirror aimed at us right back in our direction.
If we examine closely, we might see what our oldest African ancestors really
looked like, how they struggled to get by on their hind legs, and how they had no
inkling of a concept of space and time and constellations and galaxies named
Andromeda.
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Or we could see nothing, because according to the creationists, the universe is only 6000 years old.
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In theory, all we need to do is find a black hole and look with unreasonably high resolution and sensitivity at a point slightly more than 0.5 black hole radii away from its horizon (i.e. 1.5 schwarzchild radii from the center). The black hole acts as a lens, and at that point light is deflected by 180 degrees, letting us look back at ourselves as the earth was 2d years ago, where d is the distance to the hole in lightyears. In fact, by looking even closer to the point 0.5 black hole radii away, you can get
"and far enough to not kill us all." (Score:2)
Who are the lucky contestants?
There goes the death star (Score:1)
Somewhere, in a galaxy far, far away, a death star was just blown up to smithereens by the rebel forces :-)
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You forgot to add "a long time ago..."
Climate Change caused it (Score:1)
The Malaysian jet (Score:2)
Armchair astrophysics question (Score:2)
I could've sworn I watched a documentary that stated gamma ray bursts are only observed at extremely long distances so there's little likelihood of one occurring close enough to be a threat to us. Right or wrong?
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From the Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org]
Estimating the exact rate at which GRBs occur is difficult, but for a galaxy of approximately the same size as the Milky Way, the expected rate (for long-duration GRBs) is about one burst every 100,000 to 1,000,000 years. Only a small percentage of these would be beamed towards Earth. Estimates of rate of occurrence of short-duration GRBs are even more uncertain because of the unknown degree of collimation, but are probably comparable
So they are mostly seen very far away due to volume effects. There are far more galaxies >100 Mly away than galaxies 100 Mly away, for example.
Oh snap... (Score:2)
There goes the galactic neighborhood.
Sorry. You meant, "hasn't killed us YET." (Score:2)
Since we can't predict anything about its future behavior. Say, I was asking myself yesterday, why there didn't seem to be any other intelligent technological life in the universe. I wonder...
It's Jesus (Score:1)