Asia's Richest Man Is Betting Big On Silicon Valley's Fake Eggs 269
Daniel_Stuckey writes with more news about science making non-human animals obsolete "Li Ka-shing, widely billed as Asia's richest man, announced a $23 million Series B investment in Hampton Creek Foods through his fund Horizon Ventures on Monday, bringing the food technology startup's total take to $30 million after initial investments by people including Vinod Khosla, co-founder of Sun Microsystems. Bill Gates is also an investor and fan. The egg replacement still requires fine-tuning, according to Hampton Creek CEO Josh Tetrick, but the company's mayonnaise replacement is already on shelves at stores including Whole Foods and some of the largest retail brands in the country. (Mayo is usually made with eggs and vinegar.)"
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Re:Why? (Score:5, Interesting)
Eggs are dirt cheap and plentiful.
Eggs are cheap compared to meat. They are not cheap compared to soybeans and grain. They are plentiful in first world grocery stores. They are not so plentiful in the diets of third world children.
The taste should not be a problem. As someone who has a small flock of chickens in my backyard, I can tell you that the factory farm eggs you buy don't taste like "real" eggs either.
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Eggs are cheap compared to meat. They are not cheap compared to soybeans and grain. They are plentiful in first world grocery stores. They are not so plentiful in the diets of third world children.
Right, but that's not because they can't raise chickens where they are. It's because someone will eventually steal their chicken. You can raise crickets in a trash can and feed your chicken crickets, but someone would steal their trash can as well. Problem is, won't someone just steal their egg substitute?
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No, it's because they're living near subsistence levels and every organism in the chain between sunlight and water and the food in your belly represents a serious efficiency loss. Chickens are one of the more efficient higher animals, but every pound of meat still requires 2-3 pounds of feed to produce, and I doubt eggs are considerably more efficient.
If you're perched near the razor edge of survival, why on earth would you feed the crickets to your chickens? The crickets are actually more nutritious to e
Private property is a byproduct of government (Score:2)
Private property is a byproduct of government. We need the advantages of both personal freedom and organized society.
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So far nobody has found a way to ferment chickens and turn them into alcohol.
Not alcohol, but we can make biodiesel from chicken feathers [alternativ...-news.info].
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Corn is a grass, but the grain is only a small part of the plant. The problem is with the grain.
Corn does cause problems for cows, because too much starch causes overacidity in the rumen, and lots of problems with digestion, ulcers, and so forth. Corn can be eaten by cows, but it needs to be balanced with silage.. ie things with much more fiber such as the entire grass plant. That or the farmer can just give them antibiotics, and take advantage of the extra weight the much more easily digestible starches ad
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Yes, corn is a grass. But we don't feed cows the leafy grass part, we feed them the grain. And cows aren't built to eat mostly grain. Dairy cows for example will produce about 2x the milk on a grain diet than on a grass diet, but they'll only survive 1/2 as long. Digesting grain requires a completely different set of symbiotic gut bacteria than leaves, but they aren't species that co-evolved with cows, and they put a much greater strain on their host than the normal populations.
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I think you've been reading someone's fairy tale. Every dairy farm I've ever been to feeds them chopped corn, i.e. the whole plant, along with alfalfa and other grassy crops. It's commonly called silage. Yes grain corn is part of the feed mix, but they certainly don't eat mostly grain. With corn at $7 a bushel last year all dairy products would have been luxury items if they were fed mostly grain.
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So while they are somewhat cheap, they could be M
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>Bad news for egg farmers if he does
Maybe. Probably for the factory farmers whose product only competes on a price that will be badly undermined. But the collapse of factory farming could actually be a boon to the smaller farmers currently trying to compete on quality of goods and ethical/environmental considerations. They may no longer have the environmental advantage over the competition, but they're not necessarily worse either - managed responsibly animals are in fact good for the environment (imag
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Beyond Eggs, however, are made from ingredients that include peas, sunflower lecithin, canola, and natural gums. They’re also gluten-free and cholesterol-free. In fact, the current formula is purportedly healthier than actual eggs.
Underestimating the health value of eggs. Assuming cholesterol is bad is hilariously stupid. The yolk of the egg is the healthiest part.
Re: Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Because Vegans like breakfast too?
I always presumed they ate breakfast on Vega, now I know.
We're talking about vegans here, though, and if they enjoy their breakfasts so much, why do they need fake eggs? What's wrong with their normal vegan breakfast that they have to eat fake animal protein?
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Think of all the different foods that use eggs as an ingrediant, it opens the door to more food types for vegans.
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Did a simple and obvious solution to a problem that exists only in someone's mind hurt yours?
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Does my eating delicious delicious meat hurt your feelings?
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Really? And aside from them telling you their choice and their feelings, have you ever actually run across a vegetarian or vegan who actually tried to convince you to adopt their worldview? I have known a number of them, and not a one has actually tried. The most they have done is... informed me when trying to order food or when offering to cook for them, that they don't eat meat.
In fact, I can't recall the last vegan or vegetarian who even bothered to expound upon why they don't eat meat, other than that t
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> And that would be fine if that's what it were but it seems to be billed as some kind of breakthrough
Sure but what isn't billed as some kind of breakthrough? Esepcially if that thing is either looking for investors or looking to stroke the ones they already have. What constitutes a breakthrough is really a matter of opinion anyway.
> Giving people who are allergic to them a tasty analog is worthwhile -- but is it along the
> other kinds of problems Bill Gates is trying to combat? No.
Isn't it up to M
Re: Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Meateater here, and I absolutely agree with the above. I love vegetarian meals and dishes too (vegan is rarer, I love cheese), not every meal has to have meat. Anything that tries to emulate meat (or a different type of meat, eg. turkey ham, beef sausages) is diabolical. Spinach and ricotta is sublime (though again, not vegan obviously), and I've made decent tomato/bean/mushroom curries too (which would have been vegan without the bit of butter to fry in, which could easily be replaced).
Anyway, my point is that meat is meat and although there's nothing like a good steak, there are loads of good vegan meals everyone should be eating sometimes, and even more vegetarian meals. Fake meat should never be eaten by someone who eats meat... there's no point. If I were vegetarian or vegan, I would definitely not eat that processed crap still.
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We're talking about vegans here, though, and if they enjoy their breakfasts so much, why do they need fake eggs? What's wrong with their normal vegan breakfast that they have to eat fake animal protein?
They aren't making egg replacements to cater to vegans. Think of all of the processed food like mayo, cookies, etc. which contains eggs. If they can create a cheaper, effective replacement for eggs then it would reduce the demand for factory farm produced eggs (which is how a majority of all eggs are produced).
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We're talking about vegans here, though, and if they enjoy their breakfasts so much, why do they need fake eggs? What's wrong with their normal vegan breakfast that they have to eat fake animal protein?
They aren't making egg replacements to cater to vegans. Think of all of the processed food like mayo, cookies, etc. which contains eggs. If they can create a cheaper, effective replacement for eggs then it would reduce the demand for factory farm produced eggs (which is how a majority of all eggs are produced).
Having been to one of those factory farms... or rather, having been within olfactory range of one, I can't say I don't like the idea of obsoleting them.
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Kind of reminds me of the country side of my family complaining about city folk who move out their way. "First they move outside the city, then they complain about the smell of cow shit, where did they think they were moving?"
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Kind of reminds me of the country side of my family complaining about city folk who move out their way.
Ugh, don't get me started on that crowd; where I grew up used to be a nice, idyllic chunk of good ol' American farm land, but now? McMansions as far as the eye can see.
It's downright nauseating.
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It would also provide an egg-free option for those of us who are allergic to eggs.
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It would also provide an egg-free option for those of us who are allergic to eggs.
Being mildly allergic to eggs, this was my first thought.
Although, it doesn't look like this product is capable of mimicking foods containing macro amounts of egg -- it's intended to function in products where a tiny amount is used for the special mechanical properties that eggs have (which is still a great accomplishment, since that covers quite a large range of foods out there).
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And factory produced eggs are rather tasteless, and the factory-farms themselves are horrifying. One look at (or better yet, smell of) one of those, and I can totally understand why people go vegan. I like meat wayy too much to consider this.
However for a slight more expense locally actual-farm raised meat and dairy cannot be beat. (and backyard-raised eggs are even better than that :)
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I'm certain that the plan is to produce something similar to, but almost entirely unlike real eggs, but at a far lower price point per kg for industrial baking and food preparation. When they can achieve that, they will recoup their investment many times over, and the general public will be none the wiser.
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You could have a different vegan breakfast every day for a year and never have to resort to fake eggs.
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Ignoring that we are omnivores is unethical. Vegan is just a large fad clique based on marketing over science.
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Not its worse. Its a religion.
Re: Why? (Score:4, Interesting)
Is that so? I wonder what happens with a person if he/she grew with normal diet and was put on vegan? I am not sure this is entirely healthy...
The Dutch are the tallest nation on earth because they eat very protein rich stuff [diary products]. That was on the news not so long ago...and you know what - funny but taller people are more successful in life. It's probably due to cognitive bias, the same one that makes people forgive the trespasses of beautiful people more readily that those of ugly people. So there is something in us that values height and perhaps it is connected via something like [illustration only example] "tall person - has access to protein rich food - good mate".
Also funny that all vegetarians I know [not even vegans] are on average not very tall or wide and honestly will have a difficulty to compete with meat eaters if we were in the "kill or be killed" situation.
So, as the food supplies begin to dwindle [they will eventually as will everything in a finite system with infinite growing demand] we will see more and more propaganda to switch to "eco food" like insects, microorganisms ans so on. It totally amazes me when people nonchalantly say "well, if we want to feed the ever growing population we will have to switch the menu" and no no one says "why are we so stupid to continue our infinite growth".
So 3 billion meat eaters on earth or 6 billion vegetarians or 10 billion vegans or 20 billion fungi eaters [numbers purely for illustration] - why one is "better" than the other? The impact on the eco system would be the same. Actually more because those 20 billion might still want heating, clothing and mobile phones...
I think however, that one IS better than the rest - namely the largest number possible that gives everyone the richest and healthiest diet possible in a sustainable manner, according to who we are.
Who are we? We are omnivorous and without meat we won't be even here. I will not go into details, since my knowledge is not professional but I have heard many times that meat eating [also very important - fish eating] gave us the spare energy to grow the brains that made us human. Cooking the food was the next revolution. With more concentrated source of food you need less of digestive system so you can shrink it while expanding other parts of the body. I see in my mouth the cutters of the rabbit, the canines of the tiger and the molars of the cow. And I ain't going to argue with 4 billion years of evolution and will oppose those who not only fight it but do it for the wrong reasons.
In conclusion I would rephrase the OP. "Forcing or manipulating people or society to not be omnivorous [as we want, please, are entitled to and, if you are religious, were made to be] is dangerous, useless and often stupid and could be therefore be called unethical".
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Fake eggs lack the ethical baggage,
Well, we can hope. Certainly, there's nothing in the provided material that clearly indicates a problem, and the preliminary marketing spin sounds vegan-friendly. But depending on how big your suitcases are, "ethical baggage" can be anything from "made from war chemicals imported from third-world warlords" to "secretly made from the immature gall bladders of unborn baby narwhals". Or just the general "made by an evil multinational".
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They do it because they believe that abusing animals for food is unethical.
We have our own chickens, and eat their eggs. There's no abuse involved. The chickens would not exist unless we owned them and ate (most of) their eggs (we've hatched most of them ourselves). They have a decent life, completely free range in about an acre. We wouldn't grow crops on the land if we did not have chickens.
Eating their eggs is not ethically wrong in any shape or form. Eating battery farmed eggs is wrong in my opini
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If you had the option of choosing eggs which didn't result in harm to animals, would you, assuming that the eggs are identical, and the price was the same?
Sure. The eggs won't ever be identical, at least, not within my lifetime. Contamination issues aside, eggs are pretty much perfect.
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Then vegans need to get over themselves.
To try to get a balanced diet they are eating so much processed food to try to match what we get from a piece of cheese or an egg.
They talk about it being more environmentally friendly, however how many of these ingredients that you growing, then cutting, and processing the hell out of them are you using. You "egg" is made from an acre of Soybeans, don't you feel good about yourself, with a good portion of it going to waste. While my Egg is from a chicken that has e
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Unfortunately the mass-produced eggs they are trying to replace that go into processed food products are not from chickens that eat farm feed and mill about in the pasture. Instead they are force-fed antibiotics and crammed in together so tight... all to maximize that efficiency more.
So replace the factory mass produced eggs with something cleaner, while we focus on real traditional farms to produce eggs for eating. The egg on my breakfast sandwich can come from the local farmer's market, while the mayo can
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Then vegans need to get over themselves
Stereotypes aside, can I just point out that the overwhelming majority of I-know-what's-good-for-you self-righteousness in these comments isn't coming from the vegans?
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They talk about it being more environmentally friendly, however how many of these ingredients that you growing, then cutting, and processing the hell out of them are you using. You "egg" is made from an acre of Soybeans, don't you feel good about yourself, with a good portion of it going to waste. While my Egg is from a chicken that has eaten 1 acre of feed and produced hundreds of eggs during its lifetime. And the chicken works as a rather efficient little factory of making eggs.
If you're going to argue that using pea protein instead of eggs is less environmentally friendly, you'll have to do better than just making up some numbers. The chicken seems rather inefficient since if all you want is the egg, doing things like growing, moving around, maintaining life, etc. all are inefficiencies in the plant to egg process.
On first glance, it would seem that it's more efficient to use the plant-based version. Hellman's Mayo is 8% eggs [tesco.com] while Hampton Creek's mayo is under 2% pea protein [healthimpactnews.com].
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Animals are actually an incredibly ineffective way of creating nutrients. Animal farming is really only energy efficient if you also use the animals as land clearing machines and fertilizer spreading machines like people used to do before the industrial era.
How come factory farms are the cheapest way of producing meat? To answer my own question: cheap energy. Petroleum is still cheap enough that we can turn it into tons of artificial fertilizer, spread that over enormous fields of maize and soy, feed the pl
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Animals are actually an incredibly ineffective way of creating nutrients. Animal farming is really only energy efficient if you also use the animals as land clearing machines and fertilizer spreading machines like people used to do before the industrial era.
Animals are actually an incredibly good way of creating nutrients in some landscapes. Sheep and goat herding on steep hills and mountains that are not suited to plant growing and harvesting have millennia old traditions for good reason. Granted, most
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You don't need to eat processed food AT ALL to eat a balanced plant-based diet, you can get everything you need from unprocessed foods just fine... yes, everybody going veggie will start with the processed foods for familiarity and ease of cooking, I of course did that myself, but you don't have to stay there if you don't want to.
It takes a while to retrain your tastebuds, of course, and it makes it next to impossible to eat out, this can be a deal breaker for some, but I have been eating plant-based whole
Re: Why? (Score:5, Informative)
Most vegan foods are quite inefficient when compared with something like eggs
This is completely and totally false. You probably consider yourself a rational and thoughtful person. But right now you're just making things up so that you don't have to think about the choices you've made. That's sad.
But they need those extra resources to feel good about themselves. A neutron bomb to San Francisco should eliminate lots of smug and the risk of a smug storm.
It's easy to dismiss vegans if you decide they're smug jerks before you actually hear any of their arguments. This is called "Do-Gooder Derogation":
http://www.humaneresearch.org/content/do-gooder-derogation-disparaging-morally-motivated-minorities-defuse-anticipated-reproach
Maybe you should actually do research next time? You won't, of course. You've already decided that you want to eat meat and other animal products. And your mind will perform whatever mental gymnastics are necessary to allow for that.
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How is it not false? No justification here. Both of you are rapidly masturbating your basal ganglia.
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Breakfast is eggs, sausage and bacon. Vegans can eat all the soy-crap they want, it still won't be called breakfast!
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only for kids. Breakfast is STEAK.
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Technically, anything you eat to break your overnight fast is breakfast.
F'rinstance, warm beer, hot coffee, and room-temperature pizza. (Preferably made with bacon, but not strictly necessary.)
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Well, yea, but it's at least 65% oil.
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That's because the ingredients are eggs and oil, not eggs and vinegar. Vinegar or another acid like lemon juice are a minor and optional ingredient.
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Actually, mayonnaise an emulsion of vinegar and an acid like citric acid or vinegar. As emulgator, the lecithine from egg yolks is used. Additionally, moustard can be used as emulgator.
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But if you're vegan, you don't want anything with mouse in it.
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French's is American! (Score:2)
French's is American! It is the best thing ever with a good ole American hot dog!
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an emulsion of vinegar and...vinegar.
Indeed, science is hard. The emulsion is between egg yolks and oil. The acid plays a small part, mostly in flavor and extra water content.
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Wierd. My mayo is from eggs, oil and lemon juice. Vinegar? Eeew that has to taste nasty.
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Depends on the vinegar. I'll actually sometimes mix a large amount of balsamic vinegar into mayo for a delicious creamy sandwich spread... though the flavor no longer much resembles mayo.
Ingrediants (Score:3, Informative)
This what I found for their "Just Mayo" product.
http://healthimpactnews.com/wp... [healthimpactnews.com]
Original site.
http://healthimpactnews.com/20... [healthimpactnews.com]
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It's flavoured rapeseed oil, then.
Lovely.
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It's been raped. Virgin Olive Oil is virgin. /sarcasm
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Okay, for those who don't see it.
You're trying to sell me flavoured rapeseed.
So why not... just buy rapeseed... flavour it... and not buy this product?
Substitute "egg" in your recipes for "rapeseed and flavouring". Done.
If things were that simple, and this makes things "cheaper" than just using eggs, I think we'd have done this YEARS ago (manufacturer's and home-cooks).
My guess? It doesn't taste anything close to similar to eggs, and doesn't have anywhere near the cooking properties of eggs, and can't be
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Canola was created using traditional cross-breeding techniques. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C... [wikipedia.org] That this idiot with a blog doesn't know the difference between that and genetically modified organisms probably shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
That a Slashdot reader doesn't know the difference is just plain disappointing. (I must be new here etc.)
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How the hell do you have an egg substitute with no protein? I certainly hope that's just the recipe for the mayo product... if their egg replacement brings no protein then what is the point?
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From what I've been able to see, largely with starches.
There are vegan egg replacers, and I read the ingredients once and promptly concluded that vegans are willing to eat anything as long as it doesn't come from an animal.
I had been thinking it might be a healthy alternative to eggs, but the reality was it was just garbage that I wouldn't eat.
Soylent Green (Score:2)
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I largely agree with this, except that these fake eggs (based on TV segments I've seen on them) are being done for the cooking properties of eggs, not the "fake scrambled egg" thing.
Heck, if we can get something vaguely like a chocolate chip cookie that has way fewer calories, I'm all for it. (Being able to make a decent 'fake deep frying' without all of the calories would be one goal, IMHO.)
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Actually, in case of famine, meat's generally the first thing to go. Meat is expensive, vegetables are cheap.
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How Egg-citing! (Score:2)
-What kind of egg-head does it to take to create fake eggs, anyway?
-If this does not succeed, it will be fake egg on his face . .
-Whenever I crack an egg, I will imagine I am hearing the sound "Li Ka-shing" for the rest of my life . .
-He has got some huge juevos (but I bet they are fake. .
-The 3rd picture in the article looks like an eggman is eating another egg (a form of egg cannablism)
Add your own below!
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Eggsasperating!
Whenever I crack an egg, I will imagine I am hearing the sound "Li Ka-shing" for the rest of my life . . .
That's the sound of his cash-register while he's Ka-shing in on his new enterprise...
Lecithin to Soy Lecithin (Score:2)
Soy lecithin is a good example of how plant-based replacements for eggs can succeed.
So what are these fake eggs actually made of? (Score:2)
Because it doesn't give any specifics in TFA, or int the article [vice.com] linked in TFA. Are they soy-based? Yeast? Cloned-meat that exists in a semi-alive state? Some sort of toxic mix of petrochemicals? I have no idea.
The fact that the articles seem to go out of their way not to bring this sort of thing to our attention seems a bit telling. Just telling me that "they're eggs, but better!" does not encourage me to eat them. If anything, given how frequently corporations use deceit and distraction, this absence of
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From https://hamptoncreekfoods.com/justmayo/ [hamptoncreekfoods.com]:
INGREDIENTS: Non-GMO Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Filtered Water, Lemon Juice, White Vinegar, 2% or less of the following: Organic Sugar, Salt, Apple Cider Vinegar, Pea Protein, Spices, Garlic, Modified Food Starch, Beta-Carotene.
Relatively benign if you ask me. The key for the emulsification seems to be the pea protein.
Eggs are good for us (Score:5, Insightful)
For those of us who eat dead animals, eggs are health food. I eat 5-6 eggs a day for breakfast. Sometimes more later when I'm feeling lazy. I lost 40lbs and my cholesterol panels went form heart-attack-soon to teen age athlete levels.
All this stupid "Don't eat eggs or fat" bullshit is literally killing us.
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Related:
http://healthland.time.com/201... [time.com]
Lustig in his "Sugar, the Bitter Truth" youtube video claims the whole fat-is-evil thing started out based on a flawed study (one that failed to separate variables, and shaped an anti-fat public policy.
Food without fat tastes like cardboard, so Lustig says producers responded by cranking up the sugar. I'm sure the subsidising of corn and sugar didn't help. And certainly they are cheaper. But now they could argue their food was healthier "low fat" instead of having
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All this stupid "Don't eat eggs or fat" bullshit is literally killing us.
Yeah, the eggs this is particularly ridiculous. Every year or so, there's always still some study coming out trying to make eggs out to be the most evil thing ever.
Here's the deal: eggs have cholesterol. They have it in a more concentrated form than other foods. Some lunatic half a century ago who realized that cholesterol might have some relationship to circulatory system and heart problems decided that the way to lower blood cholesterol would be to ingest less cholesterol.
Perhaps this seems like co
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Well, they may still talk that way, but the prevalent treatment strategy has clearly shifted to drugs: "Nearly one in four adults age 45 and over already take pills like Lipitor and Zocor to manage their cholesterol levels and reduce the risk of heart disease." cite [forbes.com]
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Too bad the evidence is showing statins to be useless for actually reducing heart disease.
Apparently they are failing to treat the disease by suppressing it's symptoms.
So close, yet so far... (Score:3)
Why can't he be called Li Ka-ching?
PETA!! (Score:3)
China actually pioneered "Fake Egg" technology.... (Score:2)
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/... [time.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... [youtube.com]
Fine Tuning Eggs? (Score:2)
You mean like adding all sorts of bacteriocides, fungicides and other preservatives to make sure they last 52 weeks in warehouses & on the shelves?
Meanwhile, the rise in synthetic chemicals affecting fetuses and children in their early years starts showing more coorelations.
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Isn't this the plot to a yahoo serious movie? (Score:2)
Mockolate (Score:2)
Mayo is usually made with eggs and vinegar? (Score:2)
You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Unless you're out to catch fruit flies, then use apple vinegar.
Remember my grandma's saying: "Miracle Whip ruined the dip"
A shot of (apple cider or balsamic) vinegar in the morning will kill excess yeasts in your digestive (which may be causing your allergies).
Sugary foods will feed the yeast (perhaps making you tired)
White vinegar is also great for cleaning stuff.
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