Dick Cheney Had Implanted Defibrillator Altered To Prevent Terrorist Attack 242
An anonymous reader writes "According to the Washington Post, 'Former Vice President Dick Cheney says he once feared that terrorists could use the electrical device that had been implanted near his heart to kill him and had his doctor disable its wireless function. Cheney has a history of heart trouble, suffering the first of five heart attacks at age 37. ... In an interview with CBS' 60 Minutes, Cheney says doctors replaced an implanted defibrillator near his heart in 2007. The device can detect irregular heartbeats and control them with electrical jolts. Cheney says that he and his doctor, cardiologist Jonathan Reiner, turned off the device's wireless function in case a terrorist tried to send his heart a fatal shock.' More at CBS News."
Terrorist? (Score:2, Insightful)
How can anyone who kills Dick Cheney be a terrorist?
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It's Dick Cheney - that person paying for a pack of gum with pennies is a terrorist.
Re:Terrorist? (Score:5, Insightful)
Terror is a strategy, not a value judgment.
Don't let the propagandists redefine words to suit their purposes.
I'd much rather be terrorised from time to time - indeed, England was for quite a while, and my father almost got killed in one bomb blast - than be aerial bombarded back to the Middle Ages.
Re:Terrorist? (Score:5, Insightful)
Precisely. There is only "war" of different kinds and at varying levels.
"Terror" is pretty effective though. Nations which lose hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed to socially acceptable causes (smoking, obesity, auto crashes) can easily be terrified into implementing structurally toxic changes by the trivial loss of a few thousand killed in one small location. I wouldn't want to be under a massive bombardment either, but once upon a time nations knew they could take massive casualties yet not only survive but triumph.
Give the Mamayev Kurgan monument some thought. Stalingrad cost more Soviet dead than the US lost in all its wars, but they refused to lose. Commies or not, they had balls.
Re:Terrorist? (Score:4, Insightful)
Stalingrad cost more Soviet dead than the US lost in all its wars, but they refused to lose. Commies or not, they had balls.
Well, in essence, it was Hitler's fault. The original plan was to take the Ural oil fields and the German machine was unstoppable it doing it - until Hitler decided on a detour to take Stalingrad on the way (he thought it would destroy the Russian hearts and resistance) ~ bad move.
If he didn't do the detour, I think the outcome of WWII would have been different.
Mind you, that doesn't take away what the people of Stalingrad did to resist and destroy the German eastern front.
Nonsense (Score:3, Informative)
You are mixing things up, and you are incorrect. The plan was to take the Caucasus oil fields [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Caucasus], not Ural. There was no way Germans could take Ural in 1943, and there was no oil there anyway.
The real story is that Hitler needed to take Caucasus oil to keep his war machine running. He had to take Stalingrad to keep his flanks safe. Look at the map [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Eastern_Front_1942-05_to_1942-11.png]. It wasn't a detour,
Re:Terrorist? (Score:4, Insightful)
Agreed: such a targetted attack would only be "terrorism" when the word is redefined by propagandists.
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A->B != B->A. Just because someone kills Dick Cheney doesn't mean they are not a terrorist.
Re: Terrorist? (Score:2)
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Indeed. Mandela's an even greyer area: many South African whites really did fear the black majority - indeed, they worried about being treated not unlike Mugabe has treated white farmers, and then some - so they ended up oppressing (with some terroristic behaviour) the blacks. Mandela responded with an ANC which wasn't wholly opposed to similarly violent action. Locked up for a few decades, the wise old man realises that, while the racist policy was obviously wrong, everyone ended up engaging in nastiness t
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Re: Terrorist? (Score:4, Interesting)
Mandella really was a terrorist. He was arrested while in the possession of 48,000 Soviet-made anti-personnel mines, 210,000 hand-grenades and loads of other explosives. He was blowing shit up and was about to blow up the railway station. He was sent to prison and frequently offered release if he would renounce terrorism. He consistently refused. His wife of the time used to like to tie children to street lamps and put car tyres around their necks which she then filled with petrol and set the poor child alight.
He had a change of heart and became a man of peace. Would Bin Laden have been so readily forgiven?
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Well, be precise: re necklacing, making an indirect endorsement ("we shall liberate this country with our boxes of matches and our necklaces") isn't the same as "liking" to do something yourself against children - and the ANC officially condemned the practice.
However, the thrust of your message is sound, and to answer your question: no, OBL stopped being readily forgiven the moment he stopped working for US interests. OBL was a terrorist in the strategic and the PR senses, while Mandela was a terrorist in t
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Eva Braun might disagree.
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Actually, no. The probably WORST thing that could have happened during WW2 was that Hitler got assassinated before the end of the war. We'd have had to relive the legend of WW1, that Germany wasn't beaten but just betrayed, the stab-in-the-back myth [wikipedia.org] would just have gotten a new theme: "If it hadn't been for that assassin, the Führer could certainly have turned the tide of the battle with his genius".
And the whole crap would have continued a few years later again.
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I'd be too if his fear to be killed didn't result in the lot of us having to live with ridiculous limitations.
I'd say give the terrorists a fighting chance and leave us alone!
Breaking News (Score:5, Funny)
Breaking News : Dick Cheney has a heart !
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Yes, but it's broken. That's what turned Darth Vader evil too.
He's got the heart of an 18 year-old! (Score:3)
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New Heart Device Allows Cheney To Experience Love [theonion.com]
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It can't be disabled easily by a terrorist though. This is because the Cheney heart was removed, placed in a mason jar, and buried in the yard behind a house that was built on top of an old Indian burial ground, in the middle of Texas where terrorists aren't allowed to go.
Extra Extra! (Score:3, Funny)
Extra Extra!
Read all about it!
Dick Cheney revealed to have a heart!
Progressives outraged over use of resources!
What does he need the defibrillator for? (Score:2)
Since, clearly, he does not have a heart.
NCIS episode inspiration? (Score:2)
Hmm.. I wonder if this wasn't the inspiration of the previous season's NCIS episode "Need to Know" where the victim was killed in exactly that manner.
Paranoid? Nope, he's merely one noid. (Score:4, Insightful)
Okay, given Cheney's historical level of paranoia (this is nothing compared to some of his hijinks as SECNAV), I can TOTALLY see Cheney not understanding something and therefore assuming it's going to be used by people out to get him. Both "not understanding something" and "worried about trivial crap" are WELL within Cheney's persona. Having said that, whose wise idea was it to make a defibrilator that can be remotely accessed wirelessly in the first place? If nerd history has taught us anything, it's vulnerable shit eventually gets broken into, and wireless protocols are by definition vulnerable.
Re:Paranoid? Nope, he's merely one noid. (Score:4, Insightful)
Probably someone who thought that sticking a cable through your chest to change the things configuration is an even worse idea.
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Are you doubting Morty Zuckerman? He is on the Trilateral Commission, after all......
It's a weird experience (Score:5, Interesting)
My sis has an implanted defibrillator. It's a weird experience to be sitting in a doctors office when a technician comes in with a machine to test the installation.
"I just need to turn up your blood pressure and heart rate for a minute" says the tech, as casually as ordering a cup of coffee.
A couple of button presses later, the look of shock on my sister's face as she realized that she was not, in a very literal sense, in control of her own heart is something I'll never forget.
She needs her implanted defibrillator but, holy shit, the power she must cede to Miss Random Device Technician by having it in her body is scary as all hell.
Re:It's a weird experience (Score:4, Insightful)
Do you crinkle in fear each time a car comes at you from the opposite direction? Every time you get on a plane?
Lots of potentially dangerous actions in your life, many other people can terminate it accidentally or on purpose. Hell, that dodgy iPhone charger you bought off of eBay - do you really trust it?
Re:It's a weird experience (Score:4, Insightful)
Do you crinkle in fear each time a car comes at you from the opposite direction? Every time you get on a plane?
Lots of potentially dangerous actions in your life, many other people can terminate it accidentally or on purpose.
At least if a car going the opposite direction crashes into you, or the airplane pilot crashes the plane their life and property is in serious jeapordy as well.
Re:It's a weird experience (Score:4, Interesting)
I was being specific, not general. Here's what I mean -
I'm sure I was quite afraid the first time I drove. However, I quickly learned that the danger was minimal, there were postive steps I could take to minimize it, and if something did go horribly wrong there was only a vanishingly small chance that someone was deliberately causing a problem. I got used to it, obviously, since they don't bother me now. I don't remember exactly, but I feel sure I actually got used to it before I finished my first drive.
I understand that all of life is potentially dangerous. That was not my point.
Prior to the implanted defibrillator, my sis had a pacemaker. It was just under the skin and checking it required placing an electronic puck of some sort directly on the skin over the pacemaker. That was how it was connected to a testing console. Making changes to the way it worked was a bit complicated, took some time, and required the cooperation of the patient (at minimum, to just sit there and let the work happen).
The defibrillator was very different. There was no puck and it could be accessed from a vastly greater distance. Also, the technician could instantly, with a few keystrokes, turn my sister's heart up or down whether my sister was cooperating or not. In my first post, I was relating that this was the first time we realized that the implanted defibrillator required her to trust her life to a technology that could be so easily abused. Now that she's gone through it, she accepts the risk.
However, it's a case of believing "I'm not a target/security through obscurity" that allows her to accept this situation. She really is completely defenseless against anyone close by who can send the right wireless signals. She accepts the risk in exchange for the rewards but the initial shock at realizing the risk existed (and having it so clearly, offhandedly demonstrated) was NOT unjustified. I feel sure that if she were a public person like Cheney, she, too, would have wanted wireless access disabled.
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Do you crinkle in fear each time a car comes at you from the opposite direction?
Every time I drive in England, yes.
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My sis has an implanted defibrillator. It's a weird experience to be sitting in a doctors office when a technician comes in with a machine to test the installation.
"I just need to turn up your blood pressure and heart rate for a minute" says the tech, as casually as ordering a cup of coffee.
A couple of button presses later, the look of shock on my sister's face as she realized that she was not, in a very literal sense, in control of her own heart is something I'll never forget.
She needs her implanted defibrillator but, holy shit, the power she must cede to Miss Random Device Technician by having it in her body is scary as all hell.
You are describing a *pacemaker*, not a defibrillator.
A defibrillator does nothing unless it detects the heart has gone into V-fib, then it applies a shock which momentarily stops the heart, enabling the heart to reset its self back to normal rhythm.
Pacemaker vs. defibrillator (Score:3)
Not in this case.
My sister has an implanted cardiac defibrillator that also functions as a pacemaker. It was my understanding that all implanted defibrillators have this functionality.
Of course, I could be completely wrong about that. The defibrillator she has replaced a previous pacemaker that was just a pacemaker. We were not informed if there was actually such a thing as a defibrillator that was just a defibrillator because such a device woul
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ICD = Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator [bhf.org.uk]
Pacing - a series of low-voltage electrical impulses (paced beats) at a fast rate to try and correct the heart rhythm
Cardioversion - one or more small electric shocks to try and restore the heart to a normal rhythm
Defibrillation - one or more larger electric shocks to try and restore the heart to a normal rhythm
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Of course, you don't have control over your heart ANYWAY (which, Darwin decided long ago, is probably the best way).
Seriously, I can raise your pulse rate and blood pressure or heart rate remotely:
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Will not happen (Score:3)
Killing a politician with subtle electronic sabotage is not appealing to terrorists. It is not dramatic. It is quiet. Terrorists would rather blow a city block with TNT to kill a politician. Killing somebody using defibrillator suits spies or other government agents.
Re:Will not happen (Score:4, Insightful)
Killing a politician with subtle electronic sabotage is not appealing to terrorists. It is not dramatic. It is quiet. Terrorists would rather blow a city block with TNT to kill a politician. Killing somebody using defibrillator suits spies or other government agents.
And my guess is that that is what he was really worried about.
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That was Old School terror designed to target proles who are the equivalent of Star Trek redshirts. It works, but the elites don't fear it and in the case of 9/11 even exploit it!
New School, like the brilliant whacking of Alfred Herrhausen by a precision explosive charge or US drone attacks, reaches out to specific high-value targets. For those specific targets the threat is real and coerces them to defend against it. Such attacks don't require an attacker be on the scene making them a logical way to go. So
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Danger still there (Score:4, Insightful)
Disabling wifi doesn't remove the danger. Directed energy weapons, like RF guns, can still target and disrupt the device in various ways since it contains electronics.
Ripped from the headlines ... or the reverse! (Score:4, Informative)
Terrorists, ha! (Score:2)
Based on his history it seems more likely that he was worried that the "organs of state security," or even some of his corporate sponsors, might do this to him, to make sure that various secrets stayed, well, secret.
Please don't die!! (Score:2)
While I know this is far fetched I still hold out hope some day Cheney and friends will held to account for lying to his own people and the world to start a war and war crimes.
Perhaps by some unexpected political change or a fateful visit to the wrong country where that government has the balls to follow thru on perusing charges.
It also has to be meaningful if Cheney and pals only live for a year in jail and then die of old age it is far from an ideal situation.
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I predicted in 2003 it would take until at least 2016 to bring these guys to trial. Still haven't seen any reason to change that yet.
New Heart Device Allows Cheney To Experience Love (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-heart-device-allows-cheney-to-experience-love,2294/
Wireless drivers? (Score:2)
Cheney's clueless, it's not that easy (Score:5, Informative)
Classic case of the dumbasses we put in charge who go sticking their fingers in things they know absolutely nothing about. Cheney strikes me as a prepper and we need to keep dipshits like that out of office.
These devices have to be "woken up" with a sensor placed on the chest. Then it'll communicate with the interrogation equipment which can induces shocks via a defribillation test. The range is limited to about 15 feet. Despite the wireless option being turned off, anyone with the device used to interrogate can still induce a shock with the chest sensor.
Still, a shock could still be induced without the tech by causing artifact in the leads. Inappropriate shocks have been reported in people operating heavy equipment like jackhammers and chainsaws. So shake the shit out of him and he may get an inappropriate shock. Worst that would happen there is induction of ventricular fibrillation which would only cause an appropriate shock.
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Cheney a prepper? Hardly. If there's anyone who represents the cigar-smoking, brandy-swilling high-living fat-cat, it's him. If there's any prepping around him, it would be because he pays a staff to do it for him.
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Which still wouldn't have anything to do with wireless interrogation or testing. Unless he's completely dependent on the device, being in complete heartblock, then he'd be fine until he had an arrhythmia requiring a shock.
Entirely reasonable (Score:2)
You can disagree with Cheney's politics- I certainly do.
But this is entirely reasonable for him to take. It prevents assassination and blackmail attempts being launched in a potentially trivial fashion. As was said above, why would you want an off switch? And if you or I can personally justify it, we'd probably not be able to as vice president.
Define "terrorists" ???? (Score:2)
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Conspiracy Theory Theater (Score:2)
The transmitter was put back in the pace maker. It is tuned so that every time one passes by a Red Box the pace maker starts playing "Poker Face", acustic version, by Lady Gaga; downloaded from The Pirate Bay.
This turns out to be the reason why Snowden left the NSA, which is verifiable on WikiLeaks.
Ridiculous... (Score:3)
Terrorists obviously know the best way to terrorize Americans is to keep people like Cheney alive.
Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. (Score:5, Insightful)
Frankly, anyone who understands how fragile the human body is should be terrified of walking outdoors, etc.
Murders don't happen all the time simply because most people aren't psychopathic cunts. But, in Cheney's case, it takes one to know one.
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Yeah, I think we have a pretty clear case of projection here. If a terrorist got close enough to him to hack his pacemaker, why not just stab him?
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How close would a terrorist have to be? I mean antennas are great and you can hide them in other devices or out in the open and relay your cracking from a distance. That's the advantage of wireless isn't it.
Imagine a scenario where a terrorist gets a hotel room in the same hotel he is staying at. Would the security detail turn off the house WIFI so I couldn't access his pace maker from the hotel's WIFI in my room or the lobby or something? What if he visits a company that has wifi and I have a remote connec
Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. (Score:5, Interesting)
IIRC the pacemakers have to be put in wireless configuration mode with a magnet placed in a specific spot on the pacemaker, so to hack one wirelessly would require physical access to him. It's not WIFI it's just wireless to prevent having to open him up to access the pacemaker, it still requires physical access.
Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. (Score:5, Informative)
if his pacemaker is anything like the one my fried has, you basically have to touch his chest with another gizmo to see it.
so wireless in the sense that there are no wires sticking out of his nipple... not AQ can kill him from an internet cafe in Pakistan.
what's Cheney's IP? /duh.
CHENEY IS "TERROR'S BEST FRIEND" (Score:2)
They'd NEVER attack Cheney!
Keeping him alive at all costs, would be the best thing for "Terrorists", ever. Kill the Cheney's in this world, and these "terrorists" have no cause for which to exist.
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With respect to Forbes it's not their usual line of reporting so I'm expecting a junk "flying cars" article.
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I expect Cheney has misunderstood the situation and didn't know that the wireless connection gets turned off while he's in the doctors office.
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Correct. Pacemakers don't use wireless as in WiFi or Bluetooth. They use near field communications. It'd require a humongous coil to access it from more than a few inches.
Re: Evil, powerful men have enemies. (Score:3, Informative)
No. As a previous poster mentioned, the device has to be in very close proximity initially. However, in most ICD models once the heart device has been paired with whatever device is on the outside, communication can happen over a bit longer distances ( a few meters or so). Remember that these devices have batteries - they don't need coils. I have one, and it communicates with a receiver in my home when I'm around, allowing my cardiologist to be alerted if something odd happens with my heart rythm.
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So, how secure is the pairing? Bluetooth v2.1?
Otherwise, someone could perhaps attack the pacemaker by spoofing an auth'd device.
Also, a few meters is still a decent range, esp for a small concealed device that could lie in wait, and, surely that could be increased w/ more power...
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Because it looks a lot more suspicious to drive a knife into someone's heart, than to press a button on your bluetooth headset which launches the attack code on your phone...
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Particularly when the assault would look to observers exactly like a heart attack, of a man who has heart disease. As opposed to looking like a bloody knife sticking out of his chest.
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A terrorist? Someone who (tried to) kill Cheney would be a hero like Claus von Stauffenberg who tried to kill Hitler.
Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. (Score:5, Funny)
...most people aren't psychopathic cunts. But, in Cheney's case, it takes one to know one.
But you claim to recognize Dick Cheney as one. Apparently that means you are a ....
Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. (Score:5, Funny)
Ah, but I'm a non-practising psychopathic cunt.
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"Murders don't happen all the time simply because most people aren't psychopathic cunts. But, in Cheney's case, it takes one to know one."
Hahaha! I bet a lot of people are saying, "Why didn't I think of that?"
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Frankly, anyone who understands how insecure wireless is should be terrified of having a built in personal "off switch." I would do the same thing, and so would a lot of slashdot.
I thought there was a story or two right here within the past year about this very vulnerability.
Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. (Score:5, Insightful)
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But couldn't someone from a distance have used a super strong magnet to turn the radio on and then from a distance transmit the "off" signal?
I'm not talking about someone doing this from another country, but perhaps near enough where Cheney would've have been.
It seems like there was enough of a possible threat that he, and his doctors, felt the need to do this.
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Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. (Score:5, Insightful)
By attacking America on 9/11, Al Qaeda hoped to lure America into a foolish overreaction that would alienate the West from the Islamic world, weaken America's will, and help spread Al Qaeda's message of extremism and violence. Few people helped them achieve these goals more than Dick Cheney did. So why would they want to kill him?
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Which 'they'?
Cheney has managed to make quite a number of enemies over the years. No all of them live in the Middle East.
Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. (Score:5, Funny)
By attacking America on 9/11, Al Qaeda hoped to lure America into a foolish overreaction that would alienate the West from the Islamic world, weaken America's will, and help spread Al Qaeda's message of extremism and violence.
Good thing we're too smart to fall for that.
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I think the west was already alienated from the islamic world long before that. I mean look at the differences in customs there that we look at as barbaric, such as female circumcision and honor killings. Likewise, they view it as barbaric that we charge interest on loans and allow homosexuals to live (in fact these were two things Osama Bin Laden said he wanted to see end in America.)
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female circumcision
Female genital mutilation (FGM) [wikipedia.org] is not an Islamic custom. It is an African custom. In the areas where it occurs, it is practiced by both muslims and non-muslims, and was widely practiced before the Islamic era. Most muslims live in Asia, not Africa, and do not practice FGM. The practice is not mentioned in either the Bible or the Koran, nearly all Islamic scholars agree that there is nothing "Islamic" about it, and it is illegal in most Islamic countries.
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Maybe West should be alienated from the Islamic world. The status quo seemed to be that as the rest of the world was progressing towards democratic governments, the Middle East (apart from Israel) would be the sole remaining black hole for democracy and human rights, run by a bunch of dictators like Saddam, Assad, Gaddafi, Mubarak etc, not to mention Taliban. Islamic world sucks in every department and maybe it's in our interest not to let it go on like that for the sake of few more years of peace.
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First of all, Israel is conducting large scale state terrorism basically since it exists.
Israel was granted its existence by the UN in 1947. The problem with Middle East is that Arabs have never been able to accept that because they don't like Jews. If Israeli Jews were Muslim, the problem wouldn't exist, simple as that. The expansion of Israel's territory since then came in my view in a fair way, as they won one after another defensive war against attacks by vastly superior Arab forces.
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The problem with Middle East is that Arabs have never been able to accept that because they don't like Jews.
So utterly wrong. It's all about LAND and it being taken from the Palestinians. Taking land from one group and giving it to another tends to make the locals mad.
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I think you're giving too much credit to the terrorists here. 9/11 was just one of many attempts at flying planes into buildings, and the only one that worked. There was no long-con involved. They weren't thinking 3 steps ahead while anticipating our next moves. They just wanted to bring down one of the symbols of American capitalism with the added benefit of killing as many people as possible.
We screwed up after the fact, but the mistake was ours alone. Not some terrorist mastermind predicting the fut
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I wasn't aware he even had a heart. I heard it had been replaced with a ten pound hammer.
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I gotta wonder what kind of shit Pope Jon Paul II was up to...
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The same reason all acknowledged attack vectors are left open: Convenience and carelessness.
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It's going to get worse too. I think the movie In Time gives a good idea of what would happen if life extension became trivially cheap and easy for anyone to have. "Life credits" would have to be used to cap-and-trade lifespans, and then guess what...
I hope all the companies working on life extension know what they're playing with.
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It's a common nickname for "Richard", and predates the slang by quite a bit. In fact, the whole reason "dick" is used to refer to a boy-part is because it is such a common and well-established boy-name. The names "Willie" and "Fanny" came to be used for "penis" and "vagina" for the exact same reason (although the latter is used slightly differently in the US).
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Any Cockney will tell you a "Richard" is something else entirely.
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What's a "Richard" in Cockney slang?
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no skin off his penis. he's rich, bitch! got paid more money from his oil company job while being veep than he was paid to be vice president. and republicans in congress doubled his salary.
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You have to guess that Dick Cheney is American? That must be some rock you've been hiding under.