First Exoplanet To Be Seen In Color Is Blue 139
ananyo writes "A navy-blue world orbiting a faraway star is the first exoplanet to have its colour measured. Discovered in 2005, HD 189733 b is one of the best-studied planets outside the Solar System, orbiting a star about 19 parsecs away in the Vulpecula, or Fox, constellation. Previous efforts to observe the planet focused on the infrared light it emits — invisible to the human eye. Astronomers have now used the Hubble Space Telescope to observe the planet and its host star. Hubble's optical resolution is not high enough to actually 'see' the planet as a dot of light separate from its star, so instead, the telescope receives light from both objects that mix into a single point source. To isolate the light contribution of the planet, the researchers waited for the planet to move behind the star during its orbit, so that its light would be blocked, and looked for changes in light colour. During the eclipse, the amount of observed blue light decreased, whereas other colours remained unaffected. This indicated that the light reflected by the planet's atmosphere, blocked by the star in the eclipse, is blue."
Suggested name of the planet (Score:5, Funny)
Let's call this place "Eiffel 65".
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Nitrogen atmosphere? If our planet were any bluer it would be hard to breathe.
BTW, that 19 parsecs is about 62 light years.
Re:Suggested name of the planet (Score:5, Funny)
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This isn't the Kessel Run, you insensitive clod.
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I think Uranus is blue [google.com] because of methane in its atmosphere.
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Nitrogen makes the sky look blue to an observer standing on the ground, but that is a scattering effect, and I doubt it has much affect on the color of a planet as observed from space, which is mostly about the light reflected from the surface (or clouds).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot [wikipedia.org]
Rayleigh scattering probably doesn't have anything to do with the Earth appearing blue at a distance, no, but the Earth still does appear blue to an outside observer. It may have something to do with the planet mostly being covered in water..
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Probably methane absorbing red light much like Neptune which looks very blue
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Yea, I should have read TFA, seems it's a very hot Jupitor type
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It's in Vulpecula.
I wonder if it's a good place for Androsynth.
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It's in Vulpecula.
I wonder if it's a good place for Androsynth.
Let's enslave some and find out. Actually, let's not and say we did. I'd rather they didn't unleash Orz into *heavy space*.
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No. Let's not.
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Clippy Smurf.
It would be one of the signs of the Apocalypse.
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"Too much of heaven,
Can bring you underground
Heaven, can always turn around."
"cause all that i want is a silicon girl.
with silicon lips and silicon hair.
sha la la, la la la you're my silicon girl
so come into my silicon world."
/ Eiffel 65
Re:Suggested name of the planet (Score:5, Insightful)
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Hey, if you are in your thirties there is every chance you will be around for another 60 years. Be positive. Plenty of time to get working on that warp drive after you have spent your 10,000 hours becoming a crack physicist. After all, someone has to invent one eventually.
Once you have the warp drive all you need to do is work on those very large floaty shoes you will need when you get there.
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Well, some friends and I (shameless plug - Space Finance Group [spacefinancegroup.com]) are working on a consolation prize for you - we're working to help commercial space development along. It's early days yet, but I'm looking forward to more 'New Space' companies becoming profitable, and growing, and pretty soon maybe actually making money without depending on government contracts. And I think that's coming, sooner than it may seem just now. So it's possible you may be able to see the Earth from above in your new orbital hote
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I see the photo and RTFA and find out its 62 light years away and think "I will NEVER get to see this incredible wonder with my own eyes, never feel its ground under my feet
But you didn't RTFA, which says it's a gas giant, so it has no ground that could be felt under your feet.
If you feel so strongly about lack of faster-than-light travel, stop whining and go study advanced physics, so you can acquire a remote chance of being able to do something about the problem.
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You must be a Linux Tech Support Person.
"Stop your whining, learn how to program and write your own driver n00b. That's why the call it open source" ...in response to "How can I get my linksys wireless card to work on my dell 630 laptop".
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Maybe will won't ever leave our back yard, but I'm encouraged at the moment by the revelation that some of the stars that you can see with a decent telescope are located outside our own galaxy. Stars in the SMC, for example, can be easily detected (I think 'resolved' is the wrong term here, since we can't determine their shape). Strafing around the Milky Way and SMC in Celestia gives some idea of the scale we're talking here.
For some reason I find the idea of imaging stars in another galaxy, if only a dwa
Question: what atmospheric constituents? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm curious: what are the likely elements and molecules that would cause the blue reflection?
Re:Question: what atmospheric constituents? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Question: what atmospheric constituents? (Score:4, Funny)
Many and varied. After all, in our own solar system, Earth, Uranus, and Neptune are all shades of blue.
If Uranus is blue, you should really go see a proctologist.
Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week! Tip your wait staff!
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See what I did there?
I do, and I approve.
Well played, sir/madam, well played.
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Pointless qualification. There are no women on the Internet.
We must be using different internets.
The one we have here is full of women. Most of them asking for money, probably to buy some clothes.
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What if I have blue balls [nih.gov]?
In that case, Scuzzlebutt's *Rim shot* [slashdot.org] may help.
Re:Question: what atmospheric constituents? (Score:4, Informative)
The suggested explanation is really cool and exotic: it's "rain" of molten glass (silicate particles) in the extremely hot and turbulent atmosphere.
Re:Question: what atmospheric constituents? (Score:4, Interesting)
That is cool! I'm sure that in the distant future when we get to actually explore these places (probes or human explorers), that we will find all sorts of nifty things... and probably discover all sorts of ways in which we are wrong :-) I wish I could see that future!
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what are the likely elements and molecules that would cause the blue reflection?
Methane, for one.
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I'm curious: what are the likely elements and molecules that would cause the blue reflection?
Blue is very common. It's caused by Rayleigh scattering. Just about anything can cause a blue reflection if the structure is right. In this case it's small particles of "glass". The glass itself is not blue.
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That's easy to tune out - keep in mind that space is mind-numbingly big. Even in a tight mercury-like orbit we're talking about a grain of sand orbiting an orange at a distance of several miles (Probably actually need a couple extra zeros in there..). There's a *very* small window when a planet will be either in front of or behind its star, 99.9...% of the time it will be off to one side or the other (and that's assuming it ever does - assuming a random distribution of orbital planes most will never even
Re:Question: what atmospheric constituents? (Score:5, Funny)
It's a very primitive biosphere; dominated by methane, molecular hydrogen and congressmen.
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It's a very primitive biosphere; dominated by methane, molecular hydrogen and congressmen.
So you are saying blue congressmen are volatile gas giants?
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Well, duh!
Vulpecula (Score:1)
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No, but Orz is happy to *spit* hello.
Blue = hydrocarbons or hydroxys (Score:1)
So this planet might have a breathable atmosphere. But odds are it's more methane-based.
Still, pretty nice we can observe a planet's color.
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guess again, and RTFA
unless you're a Horta, then I could totally see that comment making sense
Did they account for Doppler? (Score:1)
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Certainly. We've already managed to locate a few planets based on the miniscule doppler shift of the star as it orbits its system's barycenter (our barycenter for reference varies between about 1/2 and 3 solar radii from the sun's center). In comparison the doppler shift of the planet would be massive (on an admittedly much weaker signal)
However, it still wouldn't be an issue assuming you made your planet observation(s) immediately before/after it went behind its star - at that point its orbital velocity
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Are you suggesting that doppler doesn't work for measuring vehicle speeds, with a lower (by many orders of magnitude) velocity relative to the observer? See: RADAR gun
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Probably not. from the parent stars perspective the doppler discoloration is based on motion along the axis between the star and the planet. It would get much LESS doppler effect as the planets motion will be extremely low along that axis, or no motion if the planets orbit is highly circular.
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when a planet begins to transition behind its star, we would be seeing the bright sunward side of the planet, so the measure is still useful. We would only be seeing the full dark side of the planet when it passed in front of the parent star.
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Yes, the colors are measured from that area.
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It wouldn't be an issue assuming you made your planet observation(s) immediately before/after it went behind its star - at that point its orbital velocity would be at right angles to our line-of-sight, so no doppler shift. Plus those are the points where the planet would be the fullest, so it's the natural time to take your measurements.
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Not really. If the planet is passing directly behind the star, its vector of motion is perpendicular to the direction of observation and would produce no doppler effect. The doppler affect only matters for motion towards or away from the observer.
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I, for one, will be happy when Hubble is dead (Score:5, Funny)
I mean, look at all this time and effort we're wasting on "science" and "discovery."
We need to get back to 16th century thinking and government funded services so my taxes can go down another $10 a paycheck. I mean, those cigarettes and premium cable TV channels aren't going to pay for themselves!
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I just now calculated it, and you're right, it is about $10 per paycheck for a typical software developer income.
It used to be that kings and noblemen would fund science. Now they fund vaccines for the poor. It used to be people funded the poor via the "poor box" at church. Now people fund science (whether they like it or not).
The net result is, for the common person, taking religion
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First, false dilemma.
Second, taxing people that have disposable income is a lot more effective then trying to tax people that don't.
Third, get a grip. We're discussing extra-solar planets. Not every story is another opportunity for you to exhibit your training as a malcontent.
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Fourth, WHOOSH.
Glass, people. Glass. (Score:3)
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Bottles of Skyy Vodka!
IANAA (Score:1)
I am not an astronomer; any chance that the coloration could be affected by something in between? For example these so called "wrinkles" that Voyager is experiencing as it exits the solar system? Just curious.
Units! (Score:1)
Since parsec is an antiquated unit, this planet is about 62 light years away. (or, more usefully: 2.914 quadrillion furlongs)
Wow. I actually got to be pedantic about units and none of the units involved were metric!
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Since parsec is an antiquated unit
Since when? The parsec is a very handy unit when you're measuring distance to stars from Earth using the parallax method.
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And do you expect us to throw out the barn-megaparsec?
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19 parsecs? (Score:3)
In other words, it's about 1.6 Kessel Runs? But how fast is that?
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I could only afford a Century Falcon, and it's a nuisance when I the conversion factor wrong.
Pics or it didn't happen (Score:1)
Where are the pictures? (even if one pixel wide)
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Where are the pictures? (even if one pixel wide)
Here.
That''s not an eclipse (Score:2)
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How is it nonsense? Occulation is a type of eclipse, so all occultations are also eclipses..
Doesn't mean that at all. (Score:3)
The planet isn't blue. The blue light that got blocked out by the host star was actually the trillions of blue LEDs that the natives use to light their cities, just because they happen to really fancy blue.
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" blue LEDs that the natives use to light their cities"
So, not coloured blue, just giving off blue light?
Latin (Score:2)
Vulpecula - Little Vixen, it differs slightly in connotation from the article's translation of Fox.
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Vixen just means female fox, and the connotations you are thinking of post-date Latin by at least a millennium.
PARSECS? (Score:2)
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Ah, but Neptune is named for a water god, which totally refutes your point and isn't a non-sequitur at all.
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It's also known as an "ice giant".
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At the least, I'm sure there's no life on Uranus.
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I don't know. I've heard Uranus is crawling with worms.
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The last I had heard, we were nowhere near determining whether that was so. It seems improbable that a gas giant would, but until we actually have a reasonably decent sample size of gas giants under close observation, I'd say it's awfully premature to jump to conclusions.
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It seems improbable that a gas giant would
Does it seem improbable to you? Life on Earth evolved in a fluid.
Even if genesis is not possible in a gas giant atmosphere, large planets tend to have lots of moons and, therefore, lots of opportunities for primitive life to emerge. Extremophiles from such a moon could survive a short trip through space to a gas giant's atmosphere. Some small fraction of those would thrive and evolve in the new environment.
I suspect gas giant atmospheres may actually be very fertile. Life is good at producing simple
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> Life on Earth evolved in a fluid.
Actually, last I hear the going theory was that life probably evolved on submerged surfaces. Technically in a fluid, but able to borrow structure from the solid substrate, facilitating the development of more complex structures which eventually evolved self-stabilization and the ability to become free-floating. Seething chaos is great for simple chemistry, but nano-mechanical machines like early versions of RNA and enzymes likely benefited from a buffer.
The rest are g
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you might have read the article about this being a gas giant with 1,000+ degree C atmosphere, with sideways 7,000 KPM wind containing glass particles that make the blue color. but instead you had to reflexively yank your own leash and bark a bunch of nonsense. Maybe the reason governments haven't come out with information about extraterrestrials is that you imagine it from non-existent evidence?