Low Levels of Toxic Gas Found To Encourage Plant Growth 103
olsmeister writes "Hydrogen Sulfide is a toxic, flammable, foul-smelling gas that some theorize may have been at least partially responsible for some of Earth's mass extinctions, including the Permian-Triassic event, which killed well over half of the species on the planet. Now, thanks to a fortuitous accident, doctoral student at the University of Washington seems to have discovered that very low doses of the gas seems to greatly enhance plant growth, causing plants to germinate more quickly and grow larger. The finding could have far reaching implications for both food and biofuel production."
They've been experimenting with this in Texas too (Score:4, Funny)
Too bad they missed the "low dose" part of the article. Texans...
Re: They've been experimenting with this in Texas (Score:1)
Too early to be funny
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It would be in better taste for you to make fun of the Boston Marathon Bombing. Fewer people died there, and fewer lives were ruined. But I suspect that would have caused a much larger uproar.
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Hope everybody's okay, though.
Suspended Animation stuff? (Score:3, Interesting)
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Yes.
http://phys.org/news115924695.html [phys.org]
An opportunity plants don't want to lose (Score:5, Interesting)
This is not a case of Paracelsian "the dose makes the poison", these amounts are already harmful. Yet for the seeds, it's a hint that something bad happened to already grown plants in the area, and that if they germinate right now, they will have an opening they can grow unopposed into. This is a gamble, yeah -- the harmful agent might be still there in several days when it can possibly hurt the sapling, but considering how small a fraction of seeds get to produce a viable plant normally instead of being blocked by others, it's like Emperor's Day came early.
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Re:An opportunity plants don't want to lose (Score:4, Interesting)
I was thinking along somewhat related lines, but I think the mechanisms might be more simple than "seedling roulette."
We see a pattern in orchids like dendrobiums, which are native to habitats where they undergo very dry winters. The prolonged drought of winter causes dormancy, which creates stress in the plants. The first taste of water after the drought triggers rapid growth and blooming flowers - in nature this immediately follows the arrival of the spring rains. We also know that if the spring water is inadequate, the plant will produce a few flowers and then die. It is often explained as "stress creates some kind of last-chance-to-propagate mechanism", but I believe it's simply another manifestation of the spring trigger conditions occurring in the dying plant.
It is also not uncommon for an orchid grown in a stressful artificial environment, such as one where it doesn't get the correct water or light, to produce a few meager flowers just before it dies. It certainly wouldn't surprise me that being exposed to a toxin like HS would create similar stresses in the plants, which could trigger the same mechanisms.
Random exposure to toxins would probably kill most of the plants. But I suspect controlled exposure could be exploited to produce flowers on a schedule, such as roses for Valentine's Day.
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I was quoting Ciaphas Cain books, which often make fun transplants of M2 customs into M41. And for Sinuhe, I can't seem to find anything similar by a text search (Day of the False King seems to be too far, and unrelevant), and it's been >20 years since I've read it (a great book indeed, by the way). Care to point out what joke you understood?
natural selection (Score:3)
causing plants to germinate more quickly and grow larger
So all we need to do is figure out a few genes to make h2s, splice them into a few rainforest trees, and let natural selection do the rest. Rainforest depletion problem solved.
Re:natural selection (Score:5, Insightful)
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More plant growth all over the planet!
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Logging. Logging could go very wrong.
Could... is... apparently they are interchangable these days. Interesting...
*sips coffee*
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Not a problem! When hydrogen sulphide reaches about 100ppm, you can't smell it any more, and if the concentration gets any higher you soon stop caring about it :)
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Hydrogen Sulfide gas is naturally occuring in deep groundwater, at least in Florida and similar places.
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I have friends who are already looking into this for cannabis production. Brace yourself for a lot of dead stoners...
But you just know there will be a mutation that turns people who smoke it into zombies and you'll have a lot of stoned deadies!
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How does exposing a plant in its infant state to a gas that does not retain its chemical properties once absorbed (if it's absorbed at all) equal 'more toxic food'?
A vague attempt at research (reading the article would be a good start) before posting blanket statements would be much appreciated in the future.
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ThioDHMO (Score:2)
Absorb how much? It's detectable by the Mk1 human nose at concentrations well below the lethal dose. Plus it's volatile, so most of it will boil off when you cook it.
It may stink your kitchen out a bit, but then so does cabbage.
But a soupcon of caution is in order - it's only one square on the periodic table away from DHMO, a known deadly substance.
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It may stink your kitchen out a bit, but then so does cabbage.
Actually, a professional cook avoids the cabbage smell by not overcooking the plant. The smell is said to be the result of hydrogen sulfide.
Re:Yes please, (Score:4, Informative)
"Well, sorry for not liking poisons round my food."
Boy, do I have some news for you. Almost every fertilizer we use is toxic to humans. Plants are this wonderful thing called a biological filter, and with the exception of some heavy metals, plants tend to break down most anything else and use it.
In this case, besides the germination and flowering results, plants use sulfides/sulfates for:
Integral part of amino acids
Helps develop enzymes and vitamins
Promotes nodule formation on legumes
Aids in seed production
Necessary in chlorophyll formation (though it isn’t one of the constituents)
And a couple more things we haven't fully nailed down.
That explains a few things... (Score:3, Funny)
It usually works like this:
1) Plant some seeds in fertile soil.
2) Water frequently.
3) Drink some beer.
4) Release some gas.
5) Watch the plants grow a little more.
6) Release some more gas...
7) watch the plants g.... oh well, you catch my win...drift, don't you? My plants sure do.
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Dogs and chocolate, for example.
And, yes, I'm amazed that people are surprised that a "toxic to humans" substance is actually beneficial to plants. When was the last time you ate fertilizer / bug-spray / weedkiller straight out of the bottle and lived to tell the tale?
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doctoral student (Score:5, Insightful)
doctoral student at the University of Washington seems to have discovered
"doctoral student"? The poor guy doesn't even have a name?
Re:doctoral student (Score:5, Funny)
might have something to do with how the plants were getting exposed to the hydrogen sulphide gas on a regular basis. could be embarrasing
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Given the nature of the experiment, I'm pretty sure his name was Melvin "Toxie" Junko [wikipedia.org].
Frederick Dooley Re:doctoral student (Score:2)
"We found some very interesting things, including that at the very lowest levels plant health improves. But that's not what we were looking for," said Frederick Dooley, a UW doctoral student in biology who led the research.
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Doctoral students are not allowed to have names until their research committee signs off on the thesis. The whole structure of academia would collapse if students started thinking of themselves as human beings.
Catalytic converters (Score:2)
So, that stinky sulfurous gas that they produce may turn out to be good for something after all. And here was, thinking that they were just an enviro-weenie plot to reduce the performance of muscle cars by restricting the exhaust system.
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That rotten egg smell they make is a sulfur compound. Maybe not all H2S (catalytic converters are capable of producing some bizarre molecular structures), but any decent chemist can clearly identify it by its smell.
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They don't cut much power and you can get a performance cat that will create no restriction. Their weight has a bigger performance effect than the exhaust restriction they create.
difference with regular manure? (Score:2)
As far as I know (and even google claims I'm correct in think this), doesn't manure also generate H2S in a limited amount?
Ok the link between manure and growing food was maybe incomplete since they only thought the nutrients where mainly the nitrogen based compounds.
The only application I see is the hydro-culture vegetables/fruits here in Belgium and they already have no taste compared to real soil cultivated vegetables, and now they will get rotten egg taste?
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The only application I see is the hydro-culture vegetables/fruits here in Belgium and they already have no taste compared to real soil cultivated vegetables, and now they will get rotten egg taste?
The difference in taste you describe is probably due to varieties being bred/selected for fast growth (and shelf appearance) over taste, not the medium they're grown in.
Well, now we know (Score:3)
Now we know where Gru can use his fart gun.
Hydrogen sulphide enhances photosynthesis (Score:2)
It would seem that this is not an entirely new discovery - paper from 2011 here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170546/ [nih.gov]
What could possibly go wrong? (Score:2)
Spraying a highly toxic gas (which cannot be smelled after it passes a certain threshold) over large areas of land? What could possibly go wrong? I know I'll sleep better at night knowing gas regulators never fail, nor do meters ever give inaccurate readings.
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It would be pretty inefficient to spray this on fields, you'd need a near constant jetstream to have much of an effect. In big greenhouses and hydroponics installations, that's where you'd pump it into the atmosphere. Also it would be a good idea to do it in a controlled environment for reasons of soil depletion, rapidly growing plants I'd imagine would strip a normal field of nutrients completely. No such thing as a free lunch.
Although one place it could have major benefits would be in setting up self suff
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They didn't use the gas directly; they dissolved it in water, at a concentration of 1 part per billion (ppb). 5ppb concentration in air is detectable by smell; 10 ppm, i.e. 10,000ppb, is the safety limit for extended exposure set by OSHA. So the concentrations used in the experiment are quite safe. That said, in higher concentrations it is seriously nasty.
My pot farm .. (Score:2)
won't smell like pot anymore, it will instead smell like rotten eggs :) ..
Even arsenic can be healthy (Score:2)
We take in arsenic daily in very small amounts. We all know arsenic is very toxic. So someone thought up this experiment and created an arsenic-free environment. It turned out that caused more illness than usual, so arsenic in small amounts helps us somehow to stay healthier. Source is the book "Wat is nu gezond" (What is healthy) by Martijn Katan, professor in Health Sciences.
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Could be stress induced (Score:2)
Many plants (I'm thinking of passiflore for instance) will not flower unless they are stressed. Why reproduce sexually when you just grow? Because your life might be threatened and forming flower / fruit / seed maybe your only chance to spread your genes.
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... Why reproduce sexually when you just grow? ...
Spoken like a true Slashdotter!
Good Farts (Score:2)
My farts can help improve the world!
Plenty of Room to Learn (Score:1)
Wow (Score:2)
This sounds like quite an interesting discovery, and definitely has the potential to lead to some truly amazing dystopian science fiction. I'm thinking the movie will be named "Death Farm"
Welcome to 40 years ago, Slashdot (Score:1)
We've known this well before I was even born, how the fuck is this news?
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No citation needed - anyone with an actual education and older than 18 should know this. We were using this stuff since the 70s EASILY.
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Plenty of them in the entire comments section. I don't need to post any.
Wait wait.. (Score:2)
Guess what else? (Score:2)
You know what else is a toxic gas that encourages growth at low levels? Oxygen.
As if modern agriculture ... (Score:2)
The teacher says (Score:2)
In 6th grade science class today, the teacher said that egg farts help plants grow so we should stop 'dissing' him, whatever that means.
It works in animals too! (Score:2)
small doses of hydrogen sulfide given to growing infants made them grow larger and more powerful. They became the X-men.
Not surprising (Score:2)
also used for suspended animation (Score:2)
Pretty biologically interesting stuff to do both.