Fetuses Caught Yawning In 4D 117
Rambo Tribble writes "Reuters reports 4D scans have conclusively shown that fetuses do yawn. Understandable, eh? After all, all they get is cable."
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Incredible (Score:1)
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You are likely a male, and also a moron of the highest caliber. Having sex should not be made the butt of a joke, because someone you know had a heart attack attempting it? Eating tofu should not be made the butt of a joke, because your nephew choked to death on a tofu hot dog?
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Take it easy on him at least he's suggesting that some of us may be having sex. I for one am flattered.
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Eating tofu should not be made the butt of a joke, because your nephew choked to death on a tofu hot dog?
No, eating tofu should be the butt of a joke because it's tofu, for fuck's sake.
(And I eat vegan)
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(And I eat vegan)
Beardo - open invite round to my house because I have neighbours who are vegan and if you can finish them both off I won't have to hide the bodies...
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I just had a miscarriage you insensitive clod ... would be the appropriate think to say in that case.
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I just had a miscarriage you insensitive clod ... would be the appropriate think to say in that case.
I'm an insensitive clod you insensitive clod!
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I think for about any joke you could find a situation where someone couldn't find the joke funny. Thus following your logic, jokes would have to be forbidden completely. Which would make a much poorer world.
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My brother died from a lack of humor you insensitive clod.
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I think for about any joke you could find a situation where someone couldn't find the joke funny.
Happened to me...
Was joking with a lady who had bought a lottery ticket about how, "...it was more likely she would be hit by lightning than win the lottery..."
She glared at me and told me that she HAD been hit by lightning, and how horrible it was, and doctors had told her that it would shorten her lifespan, etc. Really ruined my comedic timing.
In retrospect, I've wondered about the odds of me telling a "being hit by lightning" joke to someone who was actually "hit by lightning." And, I wonder if she won t
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What if I was a slashdot reader who had just had a miscarriage?
Are you seriously getting offended on behalf of other people who may not even find it offensive? You know nothing bad actually happens to you when you get offended right? It's a waste of time, just move on.
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A terrible pun (Score:1)
Someone needs to tag this story as "knee-slapper"
You've Touched The 3rd Rail!! (Score:1)
Incoming Abortion Flame War in 5...4...3...
Re:You've Touched The 3rd Rail!! (Score:4, Insightful)
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The study was performed on fetuses 24 to 36 weeks in gestation. Casual abortion on fetuses of that age is illegal almost everywhere. I don't think this will touch of an abortion debate amongst the mostly male population of Slashdot, who either a) have never had sex, b) will have long since run away from any woman they impregnated by that point, or c) I know this is inconceivable, accepted fatherhood and are preparing for a new geeklet.
Of course on other sites with actual women, they may decry the lack of pa
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If that were the pro-life stance I might listen to them. However, reailty steps in and they think killing live born babies who have survived an abortion after full term gestation should be allowed. I can't agree with that stance. Obama voted 4 times in IL to continue allowing babies who are born surviving an abortion to be killed. So you may not be in the pro-life camp, but I can assure you are no where near the pro-choice camp at all.
Obama [wikipedia.org]
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They don't hear it because the republicans (aside from Gingrich who has almost no creditably) don't speak about it. The same can be said about Catholic adoptions agencies that have to shut down in states that have legalized gay marriage.
That story should have been the part of Ryan's response in the VP debate. It should have been advertised to show how extreme Obama's views were.
In fact, I doubt anybody who gets their news from CNN or MSNBC have ever heard of that story but I'm sure they all heard of the i
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So you may not be in the pro-life camp, but I can assure you are no where near the pro-choice camp at all.
Yes. Honestly I don't care about abortion as an issue at all. I consider it a wasteful but necessary solution to human failings. If it were made illegal tomorrow I wouldn't start a protest, I'd hope a funding model was established that didn't involve ME.
On one hand, this is something the anti-Obama/anti-tax/"fiduciary responsibility" folks should have in mind (and why I can't bring myself to vote with
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- If you choose to have sex anyway, and do not want a child, use contraception. You twit. If you still get pregnant, a) legally the father should get hooked in and b) as an adult who is allowed to roam free and participate in society, you have to accept the consequences of your actions. If you cannot accept responsibility for your actions, you need to be locked up, I don't even want to drive on the same road as you.
Now, if only women would be held to the same legal responsibility that men are.
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- Aborting unwanted children means less children on welfare and medicaid
- Aborting children with detectable birth defects means less children with expensive medical problems on the dole, and less money to spend on special-ed, etc. (I have such a sibling, I can speak to his medical bills and to how effectively his tea-party governor has cut him off in recent years)
- Government enforced abortion of children of parents who are already on some form of welfare or assistance is a solution to a problem that Fox news trolls on about for hours whenever "soshulism" comes up
Killing you in the most cruel manner possible the day you go on a pension would provide the exact same benefits, yet it sounds like a much better solution.
As you say:
Call me cold and heartless if you wish, I'm probably not on an individual basis, but when it comes to running a society the cute cuddly things we all tell each other starts to cost real money and we have to make calculated decisions. I don't approve of abortion at all, but I think it is in our collective best interests for it to be legal.
Exactly. You can call me cold and heartless if you wish but I say you need to get executed. Tortured first of course. It is in our collective best interest !
(here's hoping some sarcasm can make you see the light)
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How the hell is this "news for nerds"?
Because the little thing was bored and thus well on its way to nerd status (if not already there). As for news, there was not a single new.
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Because the little thing was bored and thus well on its way to nerd status (if not already there).
Worst trimester ever!
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How the hell is this "news for nerds"?
Super high tech devices used to see some useless details that explain the origin of a common biological phenomenon. That seems to be a reasonnable "news for nerds".
Adults yawn too... (Score:1)
... when subjected to that much intrusive advertising. Clicked the article because I was really interested to see the video. First a full screen flash popover thing that completely obscured the page and forced me to find a 'close' button for it, and then a twelve second pre-video video. Screw it, close tab, I'll go somewhere else, and I'll also be wary of clicking links to reuters.com in future.
4D? (Score:4, Insightful)
WTF is "4D" supposed to mean when applied to ultrasound technology? They're 2D images of 3D objects. Can we finally measure the hyperfetus?
Re:4D? (Score:5, Informative)
It is supposed to mean it has height, width, depth and time.
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Man, I can't wait until video games get the technology to not just be viewable static 3d models.
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Man, I can't wait until video games get the technology to not just be viewable static 3d models.
I'll be impressed when they actually get 3D models, and not just a 2D representation of a 3D model (even stereoscopic displays aren't actually 3D).
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And I'll be impressed when medical projections get 3d models and not a 2d representation of a "4d" model.
See where I'm going with this? Just because the data exists doesn't make it unique.
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It is supposed to mean it has height, width, depth and time.
By that definition, every "3D" movie we watch is actually "4D" (and I shudder to think how soon we'll probably see that marketing tripe in the wild).
What's next? 5-D, because we shower the audience with water when it rains on screen too? Absolute bullshit. It's a 3d moving image.
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Re:4D? (Score:4, Informative)
They're 2D images of 3D objects.
Nope. Ultrasound gives complete depth measurements. So each time step is an (X,Y,Z) data cube (actually (theta,phy,time)->response ), where response is the magnitude of the received sound in the microphone. Therefore each elenment in the video is therefore the tuple (X, Y, Z, T)->some value, i.e. 4 dimensional.
The video shown is just a projection, but ultrasound gives multiple depth readings, not just a single 2D manifold, so the raw data (obviously not the video here) is certainly 4D data.
So yeah, ultrasound does provide full 4D data and the files are immense.
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And everything still looks like an assortment of blobs surrounded by splotches and patches. An imaging system that requires training to be able to understand what you're seeing really isn't a very good one. Though I suppose its the best we have at the moment for the price.
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Every "imaging system" is practically worthless without the knowledge to interpret the results. Images from say FISH-microscopy are equally incomprehensible to the layperson, though it looks pretty "because color". And only because you might actually know "oh, thats a knee on that x-ray" does not mean you will spot the arthrosis because e.g. the subchondral cysts will only be "blobs and splotches" to you.
Mind you, ultrasound has become really good lately. You wouldn't want to see images from the eighties in
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Also, a video is a 3D image.
No, it's a 2D image actually.
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It's still a stupid naming convention. By that logic all 3D films are actually 4D films since they are not static pictures.
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It's still a stupid naming convention. By that logic all 3D films are actually 4D films since they are not static pictures.
3D films are actually 2D, using tricks to seem like it has a 3rd Dimension.
Broadway shows are actually 3D if you watch them live. If you seem them recorded, they are 2D.
Re:4D? (Score:5, Funny)
The fetus has a tiny Delorian in there with it.
"Won't I run into the Uterus' wall?"
"You're not thinking Fourth Dimensionally."
"Yeah, I have a real problem with that."
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2D is the standard slice ultrasound. 3D is the voxel view that shows three-dimensional structure. 4D is just 3D, but with a fast enough computer to update smoothly. Usually 2D is the most use for medical purposes, as a skilled operator can put together the image in their head and see much more internal structure - but for an unskilled viewer, they just look like formless blobs. 3D/4D are most often seen in relation to the abortion debate, where they are the bane of the pro-choice side who can't quite come u
And? (Score:5, Insightful)
So do dogs. Cats yawn too. I'm not sure about mice.
What's the point of this story, is there some burning question as to what organisms yawn? A yawning controversy I haven't heard of perhaps? Or some prospective line of in inquiry into the science of yawning?
This story seems like a puff piece devoid of any significant detail or content worth posting to Slashdot.
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Just like Microsoft won the operating systems war. Read the dissenting opinions in Roe vs. Wade if you believe that battle can never go the other way.
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The right-wingers' alternative to abortion is abstinence-only sex education.
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Oh sorry, and also "shutting the whole thing down" in cases of legitimate rape.
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It is alive. How that's up for debate is beyond me. Whether or not is has any legal rights, however, certainly is. If you're pro-choice, that's fine, but don't use terrible reasoning to justify it.
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I don't think it's considered a breakthrough but I suspect there's a couple important aspects.
I don't believe it's fully known why people yawn, but if babies are yawning in the womb than that could shed some light on the question.
The authors suggest it could be used as an indicator of foetal health, it may not happen enough to be observed reliably, but there's always some value in an additional piece of data.
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So do dogs. Cats yawn too. I'm not sure about mice.
What's the point of this story, is there some burning question as to what organisms yawn? A yawning controversy I haven't heard of perhaps? Or some prospective line of in inquiry into the science of yawning?
This story seems like a puff piece devoid of any significant detail or content worth posting to Slashdot.
My cat sighs.
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Well it is fairly interesting. Yawning (to me) is an activity which involves a large amount of inhaling and exhaling. Foetuses don't breathe, so that's kind of odd. Some people have mooted that yawning is a social (even socially learned) activity- the fact that foetuses can't have socially learned it is interesting too.
Feeding it into the "is abortion OK" argument, though, is stupid.
(Yes, mice do yawn by the way)
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An ass never becomes a man, it becomes an adult ass.
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If a fetus was "young enough" (in gestation) to be aborted in Chicago it most likely was not old enough to survive long outside the womb anyway. So I'm going to guess that "killed" was more like humanely euthanized or allowed to die.
I'm not sure why people keep using words like "killed" and "baby" when not really appropriate to try to win over the emotions of others, but you are one of them.
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When does the fetus become a baby?
Under the ancient Jewish tradition, the fetus is only considered a human once it graduates medical school.
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This stupid stereotype has to go away. Jewish parents are proud of their kids no matter what -- whether they become doctors or lawyers.
You're talking Reform. I was talking Orthodox.
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My point exactly. It's confusing language. To say the fetus is yawning just leads to a debate over exactly what yawning is.
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Yawning is not all about breathing. Why would you post so authoritatively about something you are ignorant? Oh right, slashdot.
Here's a link at your level
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/yawning.html [washington.edu]
We opted... (Score:2)
Of course they yawn. (Score:1)
Have you ever heard a conversation between pregnant women/mothers? I'd like to see the 4D proof of one trying to block its ears.
Speaking as a proud parent (Score:2)
I'm sitting here with my newborn daughter. And a couple of weeks ago we had this exact same ultrasound done. They handed me a picture that looked just like a single frame of this animation.
And I couldn't help but think, "She looks like an end level boss from DOOM." Is it just me? These ultrasound pictures are somehow profoundly creepy. I could easily imagine something looking like that howling and throwing gigantic missiles at me.
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I'm sitting here with my newborn daughter. ...And I couldn't help but think, "She looks like an end level boss from DOOM." ...
This is what i got from your post.
I suggest you tell her personality is important.
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It may be needed, it may not. I am assured she is a beautiful baby, but I think all babies look like Winston Churchill.
I didn't think this was up for debate? (Score:1)
Four years ago, five months before she was born, I saw my daughter yawn in a 4D sonogram.
LK
Double the commercial, double the fun! (Score:1)
Big question (Score:2)
Yawning is contagious (Score:2)
I Yawned just by reading the title of this post. (Its not that im not interested in the subject matter - just reading the word Yawn did it!) am i alone ?
Quaid..... (Score:2)
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At least ten times that number starve to death yearly. We don't need more people.
Also [citation needed]. Let's take a quick look at your math here. The US has what, 300 million people, half men. Let's assume half of women are sexually active and able to conceive. (So people that are too young / too old / not getting any) That's a total of 75 million people that could potentially have an abortion. That means that every year, one out of every 95 women is having an abortion and requires the assumption t
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Well, that's quite surprising. Thanks for the link, and FO is decent enough, that's all I did.
I apologize for calling that number ridiculous and saying the GP should feel bad.