Two Space Missions Planned To Look For Killer Asteroids 60
The Bad Astronomer writes "Today, the B612 Foundation announced it's seeking private funds to build Sentinel, a space mission to find Earth-threatening asteroids. Placed in a Venus-like orbit, it should find a large fraction of these potentially hazardous rocks. At the same time, the NEOCam (Near Earth Object camera) website went live today. This is a separate, publicly-funded space mission also designed to look for these asteroids. While Sentinel will concentrate on finding them and getting accurate positions and orbits, NEOCam will focus more on getting their physical characteristics. While not strictly competing with each other, they are more complementary; with both missions flying (in the 2017 time range) we will learn a huge amount about the asteroid threat from space."
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Hmm, oh, yeah.. well.. at least we'll see it coming. Baby steps, I suppose.
I don't know why you're so negative about it. Even a false alarm would mean Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck will be sent up. It's a plan with no drawbacks!
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I don't know why you're so negative about it. Even a false alarm would mean Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck will be sent up. It's a plan with no drawbacks!
Only for the first one... what about the next? I mean... were will you manage to find another Bruce Willis, Einstein?
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what about the next? I mean... were will you manage to find another Bruce Willis, Einstein?
We can always send up Tom Cruise
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Re:why is there so much hype about "killer asteroi (Score:4, Interesting)
no, people are being conditioned by mass media and government to be in a constant state of emergency and looking for something about which to panic. This provides opportunity for profiteering, for control, to maintain power.
Forget to put on your tinfoil helmet this morning? (Score:3, Insightful)
no, people are being conditioned by mass media and government to be in a constant state of emergency and looking for something about which to panic.
That's an exaggeration. Mass media thinks they can't sell anything if it doesn't have a sensationalistic headline.
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thank you for providing one motive for the problem I pointed out. And lawmakers can't get noticed without a Cause to push legislation
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...are being conditioned by mass media and government...
Excuse me, but what Government? The last time I checked government was all "It's cool, we can do that, we'll figure something out" and mass media was all "END OF WORLD: You all gonna die tomorrow!" and government was still "Naaahhh...we'll figure something out, we're talking right now as a matter of fact...". At least that's the impression I got in the last time. Politicians who scare people do no get voted...but newspapers which scare people get bought.
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the Government that gropes your crotch because The Terrorist Boogeymen are everywhere. The Government that wars on people who did not attack us while hyping a War on Terror. The government that has our soldiers guard and ship drugs, and protect drug lords, while making anti-drug campaigns and outlawing useful chemicals and equipment because 'only a drug maker would use them'. A government that declares it has the right to kill citizens it suspects are terrorists without trial while hyping a War on Terror
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does somebody know something they're not telling us about
Yes.... be afraid, be very afraid (just forget your internets spy on you and unemployment is bad... just give us your money)
Waste of money (Score:1, Informative)
So.. your logic is as follows.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Use technology designed to find asteroids that could hit earth in order to nudge asteroids closer to earth.
I think your idea is suicidal. This will encourage us to find an adequate method of deflecting or completely eliminating the threats posed by asteroids, which will increase in number if we start playing with their orbits. In addition, if there was a real threat, the whole world might actually wake up and stop killing each other, if only for a short period of time.
Let's first determine threats, and find
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..the whole world might actually wake up and stop killing each other..
I know its the classic feeling of how we all behave. But its wrong. Otherwise there wouldn't be 7 billion of us on this planet. For the most part, we are not in fact very good at killing each other.
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Regardless, interplanetary and interstellar cartography is a subject of interest among astronomers. Asteroids haven't landed on people, but they're widely regarded to be responsible for some fairly large extinction events back in the day.
Re:Waste of money (Score:4, Insightful)
Millons or even most of mankind could die, but the banks will be healthy and alive. That is a better use for that money
Seriously, if a killer asteroid were coming to Earth 100 or 1000 years ago, we were out of luck, no good way to detect it till it was too late, no way to stop or deflect it. The others that had that coming before are oil by now, and of course, if they had money by then it would had lost all meaning shortly after the hit. So, if something of that kind is in our way using almost all the money in the world to detect and do something to avoid that fate will be a good investment.
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Re:Waste of money (Score:5, Insightful)
When was the last time in recorded history an asteroid landed on people?
We're fucking overdue you twit.
Our current Asteroid watchers miss REALLY HUGE THINGS drifting around in the back yard... [wikipedia.org]
Eris, is the most massive known dwarf planet in the Solar System and the ninth most massive body known to orbit the Sun directly. It is estimated to be approximately 2300–2400 km in diameter, and 27% more massive than Pluto, or about 0.27% of the Earth's mass.
Eris was discovered in January 2005 by a Palomar Observatory-based team led by Mike Brown, and its identity was verified later that year.
We're basically blind. Something around Pluto's size with 27% more mass was just discovered in 2005... That doesn't mean it wasn't there until 2005, it means we need more eyes in the sky. What if it had been on a collision course with us?! We'd have been kicking ourselves for not "wasting" more money on the space program for the previous 35 years then, eh? (Eris is a big reason why Pluto isn't called a planet anymore, don't you keep up with the basic solar system science? I mean, you're posting about it...)
The dinosaurs didn't have a space program. Not looking for asteroids doesn't make them go away. While you're burring your head in the sand, how do you ignore the fossil record within it?
If we start RIGHT NOW, we might have enough time to get some pioneers like Elon Musk and his SpaceX team out to the asteroid belt, bump a few big rocks into Lunar Orbit, ready to sling them at any incoming to use as a gravity tug or to hit the planet-killers (you don't have to smash it, just tap it). Hell, maybe even mine a few while we're at it, but at least we'd be somewhat armed. A blind sniper is useless.
We won't be able to stop something the size of Eris this late in the game, but we may be able to set up a few permanent self sustainable colonies so all our eggs aren't in one fucking basket. I wish people like you would just go die in a fire before you condemn us all to such a fate.. Your moronic votes deprive us of space exploration funding, and could mean the end of mankind all because you're just an ignorant fool who thinks they know a hell of a lot more than they actually do.
Re:Waste of money (Score:5, Insightful)
We're fucking overdue you twit.
No we are not, and you have a potty mouth.
Re:Waste of money (Score:4, Insightful)
It is not even close to a impact risk
GP never claimed it was.
and tells us *nothing* about if we can detect potential extinction level events.
I disagree. If a rock such as Eris can go un-noticed for 75 years after a rock such as Pluto is discovered, I think it says we could be looking harder.
We're fucking overdue you twit.
No we are not
There does seem to be a lack of consensus regarding this.. if memory serves correct, some say we're not due for some time, some say we're simply due, and others say we've been overdue by up to 30 million years. Personally, I don't see that it matters. It has happened in the past, will happen in the future, and at present, we are unprepared for it. One could make the argument that "we should fix the problems here first otherwise why does it fucking matter?", but I feel that overlooks the possibility that our becoming prepared for an impact event could become the means for fixing problems on this mudball. NASA's advancements didn't just benefit the space program after all. And no, that doesn't mean focusing all of our resources on asteroid detection and impact event mitigation.
and you have a potty mouth.
And that is pertinent to the discussion because...?
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Eris currently has an apparent magnitude of 18.7, making it bright enough to be detectable to some amateur telescopes. A 200 mm telescope with a CCD can detect Eris under favourable conditions.[c] The reason it had not been noticed until now is its steep orbital inclination; most searches for large outer Solar System objects concentrate on the ecliptic plane, where most bodies are found.
We didn't see it because we didn't bother looking. Earth crossing objects, yea we are looking. To use this as an example of how we are blind to potential earth impact objects is plain stupid.
There does seem to be a lack of consensus regarding this..
Not really. Its a probabilistic model. The chance of it happening every year is the same. No matter how many years there hasn't been one, does not make it more likely the next year. Just because there was one last year, also doesn't change the odds of one happening next year. You are not due or over due or
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Waste of money? Remind me never to hire you to do my risk assessments.
Spending a tiny fraction of your revenues to negate potential show stoppers is usually considered good business practice.
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...and could be nudged into a double-lunar capture to become a source of raw materials in cis-lunar space, I'll sign up for that one.
Ooopps... sorry... it slipped my fingers (bye southern China. North-eastern US coast was nice, wish you could see it).
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Dinosaurs aren't people? You're classist, you are!
Too late (Score:2)
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Dinosaurs: "WTF mankind? Where were you during the cretaceous? FML."
It wasn't a comet that got them, it was man-made global warming that killed them off. Damn that George W Bush for not signing the Kyoto treaty 300 million years ago!
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One kick from Chuck Norris and it's on its way to the Oort cloud.
Re:The real reason.... (Score:5, Insightful)
No,
The cash flush oil industries have been sinking money into alternative fuel sources for quite some time. I am currently working for a company that provides engineering services to the biggest oil and gas pipelines in the US and they are already starting to design non-oil based fuels into their delivery systems. Systems which all the major oil companies currently rely on. Why should the oil companies want to impede alternative fuel delivery systems when they can just include the new sources with the existing? Oil based products will eventually start going down and these companies are the only ones who already have delivery systems in place. If electric or natural gas powered vehicles will never fully take off until they come up with a reliable distribution system. And these systems are expensive to build from scratch but oil companies already have delivery networks for both natural gas and various types of petroleum products in place.
And a program to detect asteroids is just one more space program that everyone is constantly saying we need but when this proposed project is announced all of a sudden it is labeled as some kind of conspiracy to spend money. You can't have it both ways. Who cares if they ever detect an asteroid the main thing is they are still willing to fund new space initiatives.
We gotta start addressing the issue sometime (Score:5, Insightful)
Might as well be now. Could spur space development, new technology, all kinds of interesting stuff. Plus, you know, stop the next bolide.
See Chicxulub Crater. [wikipedia.org] It is 2012.
Naming rights (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm not sure about the rules involved but doesn't the IAAA (or something) allow the "discoverer" (which in this case I guess will be a corporation) to name minor bodies and maybe even other things like comets.
So they should allow their sponsors to name these bodies in their stead. They're going to find thousands if not tens or even hundreds of thousands depending on the sensitivity of the instruments.
I won't donate money to save the world but to have my own private Idaho, I mean asteroid, would be cool! Especially if I knew it would wipe out all life on earth! I'll be famous (for a short time at least).
Even better would be a U.N. treaty saying that for objects up to say 1km in size, the first person to characterize a body's orbit would get to OWN IT! Not only would this make a lot of people into asteroid hunters but it would really promote the development of technology to exploit them, especially if such ownership would expire in say 20 years if no landings were achieved. It is been said that the best way to get undeveloped countries in like Africa to develop would be to get clear and effective (supported by government) title to land; this provides the incentive to invest. (I don't know what the current laws are, presumably there is something in place to allow the Google guys to profit from their asteroid venture).
By the way, what's the LOWER limit for the size of a minor body (I think the upper limit are "dwarf planets"). 500 meters? 5 meters? 5 centimeters?
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I don't know what the current laws are, presumably there is something in place to allow the Google guys to profit from their asteroid venture.
Yeah. Finders/Keepers. When you are the only ones around ownership is something of a moot point.
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-Fight Club Narrator
Uh, no. (Score:1)
People are buying phones like mad. RIM didn't keep up with the times - they figured they've got Business Users all tied up, and why would business users want a shiny new iPhone? Well, at ${LARGE_COMPANY} where I work, us peons have been asking for iPhones forever and been told no, never gonna happen. Then the managers started wanting them, and the rest is history.
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Wait a minute... this isn't the story I clicked on...
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People are buying phones like mad. RIM didn't keep up with the times - they figured they've got Business Users all tied up, and why would business users want a shiny new iPhone? Well, at ${LARGE_COMPANY} where I work, us peons have been asking for iPhones forever and been told no, never gonna happen. Then the managers started wanting them, and the rest is history.
Wait a minute... this isn't the story I clicked on...
So you're saying it would have been easier to serve Julian Assange with an Extradition Notice if the British Police's management demanded iphones?
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Don't be ridiculous. I'm saying management demanding iPhones is what caused global warming.
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Yup, you'll note I already replied to myself stating that fact.
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A book about Drupal? Must get 7/10.
Could we get more ominous names? (Score:2)
most intelligent post in slashdot history (Score:2)