The Race To $1,000 Human Genome Sequencing 153
ericjones12398 writes "Just one decade ago, sequencing an entire human genome cost upwards of $10 million and took about three years to complete. Now, several companies are racing to provide technology that can sequence a complete human genome in one day for less than $1,000. 'A genome sequence for $1,000 was a pipe dream, just a few years ago,' said Dr. Richard Gibbs, director of the Human Genome Sequencing Center at Baylor College of Medicine, 'A $1,000 genome in less than one day was not even on the radar, but will transform the clinical applications of sequencing."
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Legal system too (Score:3)
'A $1,000 genome in less than one day was not even on the radar, but will transform the clinical applications of sequencing."
Cheap enough that it'll transform the legal system too. "Guess who's not your daddy?"
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best solution to that is a fertility calendar and tickets to an isolated location.
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Plenty of guys paying for kids who aren't theirs. My favorite is that when a putative father began having doubts a few years later, he got a test. It showed he was not the father. Court said "tough shit, we already decided you are". Here's one case [lawvibe.com]. It's not the one I was looking for, but it's close enough. My favorite is the case where DNA proved man A was not the father. Further testing showed it was man B. Man A and woman got divorce. Man A pays child support. Woman marries man B. Man A turns up the abov
$1000 (Score:2)
Cost of chemicals? Machines I think cost in the neighborhood of 100-300k. Doing a complete sequence in less than a day would be great but still not really practical. Is a lab going to have 100 of these bad boys or are only ~250 people (assuming labs don't work weekends) going to get sequenced a year per hospital or whatever? Gene sequencing in general isn't very scientific they don't start with a testable hypothesis and then do measurements. They try to test everything and then come up with a hypothesis to
Missing the big picture (Score:3)
Sequencing a gene is not like some kind of one-time exam. Your genes don't change. Once they are sequenced, that's it - you can use the results forever.
If it was only $1000 or even $5000 to sequence your genes, it is more than a worthwhile investment, as you can then compare your sequence against new things constantly being discovered as the state of gene science improves.
Like others have pointed out, at this kind of price point a lot of parents would simply opt to have their child sequenced at birth, to ho
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Actually, your genes change slightly, for example when damage causes cancer. If you baselined yourself at childhood, you could find the cancer genes later in life by sampling the tumor. Your genes are always slightly drifting during your life (replication damage) and merging between generations (reproductive changes).
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Uhhh, not true. Genes change, due to retrotranspons moving genes around and retroviruses (there's a lot of them) adding new genes to your DNA. It is now known through sequencing that every brain cell in your brain has a unique genome, for example. Your genome is also radically altered throughout your time as a zygote, it turns out. There comes a time when the DNA stabilizes, but for a while it is prone to all kinds of mutations.
Any human that was not born as a twin likely carries at least two significantly
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Not to mention not all genes are active not sure if the sequencing would also say which ones are active too.
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No it wouldn't, as most of that data is kept outside of the genome itself.
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As mentioned by another poster genes change, they also get more or less activated depending on environmental factors, chance events etc. Everyone would likely have hundreds of things that their gene says they are more likely to get in their lifetime. They would then have to be continually monitored to see if those genes have become active, would get paranoid when having kids. "Oh my God you have the same really low risk gene as I do and it has been shown in a couple contradictory papers to have a slight cor
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I don't need a $1000 test to tell me what colour my hair is.
I am bald you insensitive clod.
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So then it is at least a $2000 problem than right? They have to sequence your healthy tissue and the tumor to determine what will kill one and not the other. Also assuming that the tumor doesn't have multiple types of mutations.
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If Oxford Nanopore lives up to their hype, we can expect the price of instruments to fall dramatically. Their technology is supposedly very scalable, with the cheapest gadget packaged as a self-contained disposable $900 (!) USB stick sequencer:
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/03/oxford-nanopore-sequencing-usb/ [wired.com]
This isn't genome level, as it will 'only' do a few hundred megabases before it burns out, but the workhorse instruments will use many more replaceable nanopores in parallel, packaged in racka
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There are all kinds of subsets available, actually. You can get a microarray analysis done for a couple hundred dollars; that can screen for most hereditary diseases for which the mutations are known. You can even have full-exome sequencing done (all of the parts of DNA that we know turn into protein sequences), which will tell you your hair colour, but can't detect fragile X syndrome. And you can even ask to have only certain cherry-picked parts of your genome sequenced (in fact there are some parts we sti
Not just for humans (Score:4, Insightful)
It's worth pointing out that it's not just human genomes which will be cheap. I'm excited about the applications this has in biology at large. If sequencing costs continue dropping at anything like their current rate of decrease, whole genome sequencing will soon be opened up to all sorts of interested parties. That has huge implications for taxonomy and phylogenetics, conservation, crop breeding and plant science as a whole.
If genome sequencing costs drop, that means other types of sequencing costs drop too. For example RNA-Seq, which lets us see which genes are currently active at a given point in time, in a sample from an organism. Things which are currently conceptually possible but prohibitively expensive, such as comparing the active genes across hundreds or thousands or species in a particular state, or across a species in hundreds of different environmental conditions, will become possible. Our understanding of life processes will deepen by an order of magnitude, with inevitable benefits in biotech, medicine and agriculture.
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That has huge implications for taxonomy and phylogenetics
One of the most exciting potential projects I've seen recently is a proposal to sequence 10,000 vertebrate genomes [genome10k.org], which would sample nearly every genus. One of the project leaders, David Haussler, has previously worked on extrapolating backward from known mammalian genomes to guess at the genome of the common ancestor (100-plus million years ago). That was with several orders of magnitude less data - if they actually pull this project off, we'll b
Still a $100K Sequencing Bill (Score:3)
Even when a complete genome sequence run costs the lab $1000, it's going to cost the patient $100,000 on their bill. Because nothing exists in the medical industry to reduce the prices charged to patients. Even insurance corps' leveraging their own and their cartel's buying power to reduce prices paid to medical providers then slap their own extreme charges and fees (and waste) to raise the retail cost back up.
Though not as much in Europe. So Europeans will get to consume American medical exports like quick, cheap sequencing technology. Evolution in action.
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The sequencing is $1K; but the interpretation and analysis of these genes will rely on large datasets and advanced, patented algorithms and methods...so in the total cost calc...the $1K will actually be the cheap part. Much like computer hardware is a commodity with razor thin margins but software/consulting are expensive with high margins.
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Actually, it will go more like this:
1. You call up the lab and tell them that you're interested in a whole genome sequence. The lab will tell you that it is illegal to perform this service without a prescription.
2. So, you talk to you doctor. He asks you why you need one - what is wrong with you. You explain your symptoms (since pure curiosity is not justification for a medical "procedure"). He bills you $80.
3. You end up getting blood tests, x-rays, and every other test imaginable that you have to p
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Of course on the other hand developing and testing medicines and treatments is expensive, somebody has to pay for it and the US health system seems to be stuck with the bill.
If you'd like to believe healthcare is so expensive in the US because so much of it goes to medical R&D go ahead, but I don't think that has much to do with reality. It pays for a lot of health insurance companies, lawyers, drug marketing and a ton of CYA tests and procedures as well as payola all around, of course yes on a global scale the US is a rich country and buys many expensive drugs but not more than expected. What you do have is some incredibly wealthy people which may advance the state of the
Synthetic Womb? (Score:2)
We can sequence genes. We can edit the sequence of many genes we've identified to switch the phenotype they express among meaningful choices. We can edit retroviruses to make them edit genes from A to B in living cells. We can combine sperm and egg IVF to produce a blastocyst. We can even insert full cell nuclei into collected foreign eggs, which we can cultivate into a blastocyst in a lab. We can convert skin cells into egg cells for that purpose.
How close are we to a synthetic womb that can gestate a full
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surrogacy is here now, and quite affordable. like everything else, we can outsource it to a developing country.
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That's not a synthetic womb, it's an outsourced womb. The rest of the phases I itemized can all be automated. But the role of the womb seems to require a human for gestation.
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yes, but the sources of the original cells are also not automated. presumably the originator of the egg cell that was modified would also have some form of womb.
otherwise we're creating cells molecule-by-molecule, which though cool and sci-fi, is a little out of reach at the moment.
Brace yourself (Score:2)
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3phkay/ [quickmeme.com]
Like we do not have enough trouble with crappy reads right now, frameshifts right in the middle of universal proteins, etc.
From a geneticist... (Score:2)
Re:Designer Humans? (Score:5, Interesting)
How close are they from creating a person from picked genes
Actually quite far, mammals cloning suffer some problems that cheap sequencing will don't help solving.
how does that affect evolution?
Evolution ? Of humans ? Since the beginning of medicine, since we save the weak and the sick, evolution is not a natural process anymore, but something we control ourselves as a civilization.
Cheap sequencing, on the other hand, is a very good news to raise the size of human data that we have. Medicine will improve thanks to that. There is still a lot to understand, and the more data we have, the better.
Re:Designer Humans? (Score:5, Insightful)
Evolution ? Of humans ? Since the beginning of medicine, since we save the weak and the sick, evolution is not a natural process anymore, but something we control ourselves as a civilization.
Oh it's evolution all right. "Natural" or not, it's the same thing. We're selecting for traits that are advantageous at the point in time the selection occurs. In the case of the 'weak' or 'frail' we are making a conscious selection to keep these folks around for whatever reason. In the long run, it may help or hurt if the selection pressure on humans changes. Perhaps allowing kids who were born premature, who would not have survived except for the intervention of modern medicine, to survive and breed will pass along some genes that allow for their kids to survive in a high CO2 environment (or what ever). You don't know. Any time you select genes you're evolving.
Remember, evolution doesn't move in any particular 'direction'. Newer isn't better, just more adapt to the local environment. Change the environment, change the needed adaption and life goes on.
Nature cares not.
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Exactly.
Evolution will keep working unless we start just making clones. Even if every human is born from a test tube, there will be still evolution, in the form of say, parents selecting which genes they deem more fit, and the environment and biology will keep rejecting those that aren't compatible enough with life or the environment.
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Point.
Though I meant clones in the "clone army" sense, like if some nightmarish dictator decides that from now on, new people are made by producing a million copes of the "perfect factory worker" template.
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Except for the fact that we aren't adapting. Like the GP posted, modern medicine has all but stopped human evolution, because we have no selection pressures. If anything, we're de-evolving, because people with genes who would not be procreating in centurys past, actually do nowadays. Who knows how many genetic disorders would have died off by now if not for modern medicine.
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There are many famous people who were reportedly sickly children - who survived because of healthcare available at the time.
If they had not been supported by the technology avaialble at the time, society would have been the poorer for it - and arguably, humanity would not have advanced to the point it is today.
I myself was born 14 weeks prematurely, and would certainly have been doomed even 50 years ago. I have yet to make any earth shattering contributions to humanity, but I certainly don't count myself as
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14 weeks? luxury. my wife was born 16 weeks prem :)
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"De-evolving" = evolving.
Evolution is only the change in a genome over time. The human genome increasingly contains genetic values that it had less of before, as they were less able to reproduce. That is evolution. It's "de-evolution" only according to your values, which don't count in measuring genetic change.
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It's a non-standard use of the word, but actually I really have to disagree with you. Genes evolve to meet new demands in response to stimuli. The rate of directed evolution (and conservation) can be measured (and it has been) by comparing large data sets, yielding (for proteins) a ratio between synonymous and non-synonymous mutations. If anything can be considered biological devolution—besides certain Star Trek plots [memory-alpha.org] that actually require knowledge of information not stored in the genome (in fact, it
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What? Seriously, what? People with genes would not be procreating? If it wasn't for modern medicine, people wouldn't be getting sick? What?
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modern medicine developed alongside more sophisticated warfare and mass transportation amoung other things.
so drugs could fix the tuberculosis that would have killed you, but you didn't look before you crossed the street...
when there's life that's not in total isolation, there will be selection. just not the "surviving in the wilderness" thing, as there's not a lot of wilderness left for most of the population (which is good as we're not really adapted to it these days).
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socialized abortion (Score:2)
Mais non! We select genes that are advantageous in whichever frame of reference occupies our tiny little brains in the social context around making the decision. The easy cases are defective genes that severely incapacitate. Every other decision can go any number of different ways depending on how the deciding group integrates over a contingent future.
Perhaps a broad consensus emerges that certain genes are linked to sexual predation, at which point
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Continuing with another thought after racking my wine: it wouldn't surprise me that some sub-cohort of the ubermensch aspirant class actually does go on to achieve fame, prosperity, and eternal death tax exemption--more by luck than good management (see Columbus, Christoper) but then again, you can't win if you don't try. According to a popular Christian doctrine, success and prosperity are evidence of God's blessing. God means us to behave this way.
In mathematics, you need to test your infinite series fo
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These are only a problem for ethical researchers. If you don't mind making a few hundred mutated duds, and then just breeding from the healthy ones, it's easy. Been done for a number of species, humans are no different aside from awkwardly long gestation and time to sexual maturity. The field is far too difficult and expensive (Lots of equipment) for some Mad Scientist to dabble in a basement laboratory
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You're confusing evolution with natural selection. Natural selection is just one mechanism by which evolution can occur.
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2) The Flynn effect seems to have stalled in several countries since the 90s.
Re:Designer Humans? (Score:4, Funny)
impressive , three posts till a nazi mention
Genome Sequencing (Score:3)
I hope for the day when we can get mobile kits that can be used for sequencing genome of all types of fauna / flora that are on this planet
At the way of the degradation of our planet's ecology, more and more species are dying out
If only someone can come out with el-cheapo gene sequence kits that are mobile, that can sequence genes of all types of flora / fauna, then, perhaps, we can collect the genetic sequence of as many species as we can possibly gather, before they disappear all together
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Less than $1000, disposable and about the size of a USB stick. Connect it to your computer, drop a sample into a hole in the top and a sequence file starts building up on your hard drive.
It's due to be released in a couple of months when we'll see if this is as good as it sounds.
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If you get your DNA sequenced you should keep it in the back of your mind
Yes, indeed.
Re:Designer Humans? (Score:4, Insightful)
"Not to mention the next time a nationalist socialist regime takes power they will have a really easy time identifying the people they want to put in the concentration camps."
We don't need a DNA profile, you cretin.
We have already pre-sorted them and deposited them into
government housing projects. We also know where they live, because that
information is linked to the receipt of welfare checks. Computers
and databases will make it easy this time, just as in the 1930s.
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"We don't need a DNA profile, you cretin."
Obviously, since my cretinism is due to a dietary deficiency and not a genetic defect you insensitve clod.
Re:Designer Humans? (Score:5, Insightful)
Nazis don't care about the genetics. They care about scapegoating people powerless to fight back. And then using their example to terrorize each and any other group they construct as the next target. None are spared.
BTW "nationalist socialist" countries are everywhere. The US has always offered "socialism" (government enforced wealth redistribution) mainly to its richest, and is about the most nationalist country behind N Korea. The UK, Norway, Switzerland and many other European countries are pretty socialist, though more equitable in the wealth redistribution source/destination, and are so nationalist they refuse to join the EU. Japan is pretty nationalist, and more socialist than the US.
If you're going to scare people with "nazi", just say "nazi". Stop trying to scare people about socialism, as if the Nazi socialism was representative of socialism any more than East Germany's "People's Republic" represented its people. Nazism was founded on propaganda, and sympathetic propaganda outlets continue to peddle its slanders today.
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Ill say it again a "tax break" is NOT giving money to the rich, its simply taking less money from them
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Of course we redistribute wealth to the richest. The biggest tax expense is the military, which the richest suck up like oxygen, no matter how bad for security or our economy (to say nothing of health, life or limb). The second biggest tax expense is on medical care (which overlaps a lot with the military), which is spent on doctors who are among the richest (at $172K general, $275K specialist, they make 7-11x the median income), and pharmacos which are among the richest both as workers and as stockholders.
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and I know damn well if the top 10% pay 70% of the tax burdon (true) than the distribution of weath is not going in their favor
Without comparing how much wealth the top 10% have it is meaningless to suggest that because they pay 70% of the taxes that the distribution of wealth is not in their favor. Estimates [google.com] I've seen show the top 10% having around 3/4 of the wealth so they pay 70% of the taxes and have 75% of the wealth. Or the bottom 90% have 25% of the wealth and pay 30% of the taxes.
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Re:Designer Humans? (Score:5, Insightful)
That argument is nonsense. It is a standard talking point by the people waging this class warfare thing on the side of the rich.
Nearly everyone who works in this country pays payroll taxes which range from 10-12.5% since Regean jacked them in the 80's. Payroll taxes alone are nearly as high a percentage as the 15% rich people pay on capital gains.
Then there is sales tax, the lower classes spend most of their money, while the rich invest most of theirs so the poor once again pay a disproportionate burden of these which is why its called a regressive tax. The rich want even more sales taxes (aka Value Added Taxes(VAT's) because they regressively punish people who spend and give the rich a free pass
Payroll taxes used to be a couple percent before Reagan jacked them. Social security in particular started producing huge surpluses then that were used to fund Federal budget deficits for decades, in Reagans case to squander money on weapons that were never used. The so called "Trust fund" was completely squandered. To pay for social security and medicare now we either have to tax people some more, borrow it or slash benefits.
Most seniors who retired in before the 90's put almost nothing in to SS and Medicare and are getting windfall returns. People who started working in or after the 80's have been paying taxes through the nose for programs that will be bankrupt and probably gone by the time they retire. It has become a massively regressive tax on young working people to support often affluent seniors.
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"Nazis don't care about the genetics"
Doc that is just silly and you know it, did you actually believe that when you wrote it? Every aspect of their doctrine was fixated on eugenics and race. Its something Americans choose to forget but eugenics was very well established in the U.S. during the same period especially with elements of America's upper class.
Nationalist can be defined several ways but the term applied to nationalist political parties usually centers around a fixation with a nations historicall
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No, not every aspect of their doctrine was fixated on eugenics and race. They killed millions of Catholics, homosexuals, communists, trade unionists and others, especially the extremely hybrid Gypsies, without regard to actual genetics. Hitler was not only not Aryan, but had Jewish ancestors - as did many if not most of the other Nazis pursuing genocide among other diabolical tyrannies.
Nazis cared about power. Race was a means to that end. Of course such means are part of the end, and Nazis did spend a lot
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Moreover, in case there was a kernel of real concern behind your trolling, please, name for me a single powerful technology which could NOT be abused at the hands of boogie men?
"Computers! A NATIONAL SOCIALIST REGIME might use them to SORT PEOPLE based on racial profiling algorithms!!!!"
"Cheap clean energy might be used by A NATIONAL SOCIALIST REGIME to exterminate people!"
"Ink and par
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You are the one being naive my friend. It is simply good sense to explore the down sides of technologies instead of reveling purely in the up side, and have the down side bite you in the ass later.
I guess you are far enough removed from the early twentieth century that you are unaware how nasty eugenics movements were. Most people are vaguely familiar with them at their most horrific in Germany but the naive pretend that something that horrible can't happen again. Well it can. DNA sequencing is a drea
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It is simple realism to recognize that most technologies are, in fact, double edged swords.
That was half of my point. Actually, ALL technologies, with the possible exception of vaccines, are double edged swords. But saying "Nazis might use it against us" is not a downside, that's just insane. I think you'll find that bringing up Nazis, zombies, or total nuclear annihilation will, with very specific exceptions, make you look like a raving loon.
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"But saying "Nazis might use it against us" is not a downside, that's just insane."
At this point you aren't arguing, you are just engaging in abusive name calling.
Whether its racist national socialists or well intended eugenicists paving the road to hell, it is ENTIRELY possible. The entire first half of the twentieth century was full of eugenicists [wikipedia.org] in the U.S., Britain and Germany trying to select out genetic flaws in humans, often using force. California and the Rockefeller foundation pioneered forced s
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I'll say again, expensive DNA sequencing is not a barrier against the scenario you're talking about and leave it at that.
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There is nothing "anecdotal" about the things I posted on vaccines. They are well known facts. Vaccines do in fact have down sides, the benefits generally out weigh the down side so they are usually worth the risk, but blindly ignoring the downside as seems to be your style is unnecessiarly wreckless. How do you explain the fact there is a Federal agency to compensate people who have adverse outcomes with vaccines?
I'll leave you to go on your tech utopian way, pretending that all tech is wonderful and noth
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The program was established by the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA), passed by the United States Congress in response to a threat to the vaccine supply due to a 1980s scare over the DPT vaccine. Despite the belief of most public health officials that claims of side effects were unfounded, large jury awards had been given to some plaintiffs, most DPT vaccine makers had ceased production, and officials feared the loss of herd immunity.
In other words, it exists because it was a target for greedy lawyers and needed to be protected.
I'll leave you to go on your tech utopian way, pretending that all tech is wonderful and nothing bad ever happens
How do you get that from "ALL technologies, with the possible exception of vaccines, are double edged swords"? Or from anything else I said?
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more likely, we will observe such a large decorrelation between phenotype and genotype that racism will become a stupid joke, and extremist groups will have to pick on ideologies instead.
also, not even the Rudd government would spend 1 grand per person on what amounts to a census.
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"not even the Rudd government would spend 1 grand per person"
The more obvious places you would use it would be to screen people entering elite organizations and the military (like the SS in Germany) or top echelons of a nationalist party or to screen prospective mates prior to marriage to flag genetic defects or undesirable racial history.
If you were sending someone to a concentration camp anyway, no I dont image you would spend 1K on them.
Most people don't know it but eugenics [wikipedia.org] originated in the U.S. and Br
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what might someone with a racial superiority agenda do with it some day.
It's not going to help the race supremists. As science would have it, race is not genetically determined. It is artificially determined by society. Genetically speaking, race as we know it does not even exist.
I think you have a worthwhile point somewhere, that there may be issues some day with private companies using genome sequencing to filter applicants, perhaps to keep their medical insurance costs lower. So, yes, we must continue to jealously guard our civil rights.
Re:Designer Humans? (Score:4, Insightful)
Not sure how accurate it is but the rudimentary DNA testing National Geographic does appears to be quite good at spotting basic ethnicity, especially Ashkenazi Jews, and they do something far less than full sequencing.
My family tree includes a Cherokee Indian and it come up with a pretty big blank on that one, but there probably isn't a very big sampling base for that while there probably is a big sampling base for Ashkenazi.
Even if its not entirely precise it will almost certainly be more precise than measuring facial features, or relying on genealogy like the Nazi's did.
One thing is a certainty that whatever race the next master race picks, the party leadership should probably get their own DNA sequenced first to make sure they are a member. It was fairly common for aspiring Nazi's to discover they had Jewish blood in their family trees.
P.S. If you do get your DNA sequenced, also remember you are making a decision for all of your relatives and descendents to expose their genetic history too.
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There are a lot of claims about Ashkenazi jews and at least half of them is pure propaga
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I find Gattaca's plot more likely than creating humans by mixing genes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_nkVmRSpfE [youtube.com]
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sequencing is to creating a fully synthesized human as taking a picture of a skyscraper is to building it.
how does that affect evolution
LOL a pretty good one line summary of civilization is "replacing evolution with something else" or "civilization is the subversion of evolution" or "evolution and civilization are opposites". If you have laws and hospitals, evolution is pretty much on the way out.
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Evolution is simply the description of the effect of the environment on species over time. Change the environment (e.g. introduce civilization) and evolution continues, it's just responding to different pressures.
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Decoding the genome =! reintroducing changes. So no, you don't get human walks in - Gene Enhanced Creature walks out of the boutique DNA store.
It's actually not clear exactly what you get. Likely not much for clinical medicine just yet. More likely a boon to the rest of biology. Imagine being able to sequence little bugs / plants / exciting and unusual critters from your pond scum in a hour. That allows you to break open biological systematics so that we can really create finely detailed maps of the eb
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Actually, you are not that wrong about a Priority mail envelope. Researcher can now compress genomes to very small sizes. Small enough to fit an email attachment :
http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/content/25/2/274 [oxfordjournals.org]
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They should use lossy compression. What could possibly go wrong?
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Several uses for cheap sequencing, beyond paternity:
- Identify allergens in food
- Positively ID species used for meat (lots of cheap sushi isn't what it is sold as)
- Discover unlicensed use of GM crops
- Identify dangerous molds / fungi in ambient air
None of these is particularly attractive at $1000 a pop, but if you drop to $100 or even $10 then you will see widespread adoption.
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How close are they from creating a person from picked genes and how does that affect evolution?
Choosing a fertilized egg based on its genetics is already possible through pre-implantation genetic diagnosis. To do this, you need in-vitro fertilisation. This was the situation that was portrayed in Gattaca. If you have sex to get babies, you're stuck with randomness within the limits of your (and your partner's) genes.
In 2005, it was possible to genotype about 5 different genetic variants from a single cell. Now it's possible to do a few tens of thousand, as long as you're willing to deal with a bit of
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Well, I consider it a bonus. Even most of the rest of the pro-life movement doesn't object to PGD in relation to serious conditions any more.
Re:Designer Humans? (Score:5, Insightful)
With the introduction of next-generation sequencing, the costs have actually dropped much faster than you'd predict if it followed Moore's Law. If it's possible to keep that pace up, then we can expect a $1000 genome in 2014-2015, and a $100 dollar genome two or three years later. My guess is that within 10-20 years we could see the widespread use of genetic screening of embryos for genetic diseases. Right now, this all seems very sci-fi. Like something out of Brave New World, Gattaca, or the Eugenics Wars in Star Trek. But unlike a lot of sci-fi, this stuff isn't fictional because it's technologically difficult/impossible, like a faster than light drive, or a flying car. It's sci-fi because it's too expensive to do right now, but that's going to change rapidly within our lifetimes. The development of tests for Down's Syndrome has already led to a dramatic reduction in the number of children born with the condition, it only follows that the development of new tests will have similar effects with other disorders.
This raises a lot of very thorny questions. Say a fetus tests positive for a mutation that is strongly associated with early-onset Alzheimer's disease. What's the moral choice? Is it moral to abort the fetus and spare them and their loved ones the suffering of Alzheimer's? Or would having that life be better than never being born at all? Or would you be willing to take the bet that in the next 30 to 60 years, they develop the therapies to cure or prevent the disease?
It gets more complicated. What if the fetus tested positive for a gene associated with schizophrenia? It might seem cruel to bring someone into the world knowing that's what they had to face. But this is where the story of genetic determinism put forward by modern medicine breaks down. Schizophrenia has a genetic component, true. What's remarkable is that among identical twins (100% shared DNA) the disease is found in both twins less than 50% of the time. Clearly, there's a very strong environmental component (another striking thing that backs this up is that schizophrenia rates are significantly higher in developed countries than in developing countries). Getting these genes makes you vulnerable, true, but there's a better-than-even chance you won't develop the disease at all. Is a less than 50% chance of developing schizophrenia enough to abort a fetus over?
The issues raised by gene sequencing have been pretty hypothetical up until now. It was too expensive and difficult to look at what genetic cards you'd been dealt. But that's going to change.
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But you are not taking into consideration 2 factors. Parents want a limited number of children (with exceptions). Parents for all intents and purposes have unlimited embryos (only limited by the number of ova the woman has). If sequencing can come down to under 100$ (who's to say it won't be next to free) then you supply 200 ova, enough sperm and you develop embryos in the lab.
Now when they have become a zygote you DNA sequence the lot to find the best (with least flaws/potential vulnerabilities) and then i
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But you are not taking into consideration 2 factors. Parents want a limited number of children (with exceptions). Parents for all intents and purposes have unlimited embryos (only limited by the number of ova the woman has). If sequencing can come down to under 100$ (who's to say it won't be next to free) then you supply 200 ova, enough sperm and you develop embryos in the lab.
Now when they have become a zygote you DNA sequence the lot to find the best (with least flaws/potential vulnerabilities) and then implant enough of them to get 1-2 successful children and the rest are discarded.
When it becomes wholesale, instead of on a case by case basis, it will become the norm and what is ethical will change to fall in line.
I agree that this is both the most logical and most likely form of using genetics on embryos. However, I see a problem with the massive selective pressure this will create. As you point out we already do this to some degree, but the degree matters. Genes are complex things, and while I have no doubt we will one day have a very thorough understanding, that day will likely lag behind the ability to screen embryos.
What happens when a gene that increases risk of Alzheimer's disease also confers other positiv
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another striking thing that backs this up is that schizophrenia rates are significantly higher in developed countries than in developing countries
a) How many people with schizophrenia would actually get to a doctor/professional to be diagnosed in poorer countries
b) How many would survive to adulthood and/or long enough to have children, etc?
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Troll? WTF?! Slashdot moderation is even more broken than APK's fragile psyche.
The scary thing is the artificial womb (Score:2)
What scares the shit out of me is the prospect of an artificial
womb. It would allow a country to select its best soldier, then
enhance his DNA and then, with artificial wombs, make
1,000,000 clones.
The first country to do that will have a huge military advantage, which
will led to other countries doing the same resulting in a clone arms
race.
I don't think it will take more than 50 years for the artificial womb to
be created. Will civilisation survive it?
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Will civilisation [sic] survive it?
I wouldn't worry about that. In the event of any power or superpower stock-piling clones, we already have enough plague to wipe them out many times over long before they even learn to walk. And if they are clever enough to have plague resistance, chances are good they will not have any significant [youtube.com] fusion resistance, [youtube.com] even after full maturity and deployment.
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zerg rush!
yeah... it'll be a while before humans can be engineered to be better than much cheaper hardware.
with self-driving cars able to identify people, i can imagine a self-driving tank that is more able to perform IFF than most soldiers in high pressure situations.
i think we'll have ED-209s before artificial wombs.
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For the human genome, where the reference sequence is already known, the shorts reads can simply be aligned to the genome with free software in a relatively short time on a decent PC, so the cost of the basic analysis is currently less than that of the sequencing (though on an average workstation class computer the time required for alignment, finishing and variant calling may well be longer than the sequencing run!). The linked article is talking about the more nebulous but obviously greater cost of doing
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there's some overzealous mods in this thread. these are questions that need answers, even if there's a certain level of paranoia involved.
insurance companies in particular should not have access to this data. it should be covered by the strictest of privacy law.
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all my funny mods are already spent :(
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because most diseases seem to be caused by multiple rare mutations.
[There goes my moderations...]
What matters is not usually any individual gene, but rather how a network of genes interacts; if a particular mutation makes a protein less efficient at its job, the usual effect is just to ramp up the quantity of it produced, or maybe of a precursor or successor in the network. What's more, the most likely mutations to happen turn out to be ones that have relatively little effect on gene function (e.g., they swap one acidic amino acid for another). When it comes to analysis of