Genes About a Quarter of the Secret To Staying Smart 77
ananyo writes "A Scottish intelligence study that began 80 years ago has borne new fruit. Researchers have tracked down the study's surviving participants — who joined the study when they were 11 years old — to estimate the role that our genes have in maintaining intelligence through to old age. After conducting fresh intelligence tests on the surviving participants, the researchers tested the DNA samples they had collected for the presence of more than half a million common genetic variants, each affecting only a single letter in the DNA sequence of the genome. The team then calculated whether these variants were associated with cognitive stability — how well intelligence had been maintained over time. The sample size of 2,000 people was too small to grant the statistical power needed to track down individual genetic signatures associated with cognitive stability. But it was enough to estimate how much genetics contributes to cognitive aging. The team found that these variants accounted for nearly one-quarter of the differences in cognitive stability."
So in other words (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not genetics but other factors, presumably mental exercise, diet, etc that contributes 75% to keeping your intelligence intact as you enter old age?
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Of course..diet and exercise certainly had to have a lot to do with it too, I'd guess...
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Reading Slashdot comments contributed negatively.
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My grandmother must have been an anomaly, then. Once she left the farm at age 55 about the only exercise she got was doing housework. I never saw her doing any mental puzzles, and she watched a lot of TV. The only time I ever saw any mental decline in her was in her seventies, and it turned out to be due to the prescription drugs her doctor was feeding her.
Diet? She was born in 1903, had eggs and bacon and buttered toast for breakfast, cooked with lard most of her life, etc. Her doctor said if she didn't ge
Re:So in other words (Score:5, Insightful)
Useful for confirmation, but not new or unexpected. The /. history has articles about taxi driver training leading to neural restructuring in favor of mapping and geographical awareness. There are some mentally destructive conditions that we don't know how to prevent yet, but in general, you get good at what you do a lot. If you spend your time hauling heavy boxes, you will get stronger (until you hit a physical limit). If you spend your time solving puzzles, studying new scientific research, and practicing your 24 dimensional calculus, you will get better at those. If you spend all your time watching gossip shows on TV and sitting on the couch, you very well may become one with the couch, mentally and physically.
You talkin' to me? YOU TALKIN' TO ME?! (Score:2)
The /. history has articles about taxi driver training leading to neural restructuring in favor of mapping and geographical awareness.
Apparently, Taxi Driver training also has some *negative* side effects on one's mental state though! [youtube.com]
Re:So in other words (Score:4, Interesting)
Makes me wonder if one can pull of something similar to that using direct brain stimulation, and so train someone in a similar way to uploading a program.
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*At least* a quarter... (Score:4, Interesting)
The study only sampled a subset of the genome (certain SNPs), there could be other variations in the genome that contribute even more. We simply can't tell from the study. All we can say is that this study suggests at least a quarter of the variation is explained by the subset of the genotype they have sampled.
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Please mod parent up! (Score:2)
This is what I come to slashdot for; a biologist (or other field in other threads) giving clear explanations or clarifications for something interesting. Thank you, Ms. Wright!
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If there are N genes required for intelligence out of a set of M, unless N==M you cannot identify all of N by looking at what is common to everyone. That's a common but problematic flaw in genetic studies. It's also why markers that indicate a propensity for disease can't tell you if you will get that disease. If the studies so far don't map which sets of genetic markers are significant (and what epigenetic states are required to make them significant), this positive indication approach has limited value -
Superior Genepool? (Score:3, Interesting)
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If I could create a pill that change what your DNA expresses so it makes you smarter, and thus improves the Genepool*, is a good thing.
Doing so by 'weeding out' a class of people is 'Nazi Science' not this.
*assuming the trait can be passed on.
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Re:Superior Genepool? (Score:5, Funny)
Lamarkable.
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I don't understand why there is any controversy about that. We accept that you can breed animals for particular traits, why should people be any different?
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You're missing the underlying problem of Nazi Science, instead highlighting the horrific effect.
The underlying problem of Nazi Science was that it tried to set an objective standard for what is a good quality and what is a bad quality, just as you appear to be implying that there is a measure of smartness such that it is always desirable to increase your score on that measure.
We're already far too far down the path where test-taking and homogeneity have substituted for imagination and determination. It is t
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Reality has nothing to do with politics or ideology.
I have no doubt that your political ideology is completely divorced from reality. We agree on something!
What it takes to make it to 90? (Score:4, Interesting)
Comparing the intelligence and genes of those who did and did not survive to 90 would also be interesting.
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Indeed. My paternal grandmother, born in 1903 and who cooked with lard and was told by five doctors, one after the other (who all died) said she'd die soon from her high cholesterol, lived a hundred years. Her brother started amoking at age 12 and quit at age 82, ten years before he died. Her other siblings are likewise long lived (Grandpa died in an accident at age 60, fell four stories carrying two 100 lb sacks of feed... Purina was guilty of negligent manslaughter). My other grandparents lived until thei
"Scottish intelligence study"? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:"Scottish intelligence study"? (Score:4, Interesting)
A lot of the modern world was invented by Scots. Maxwell's equations, animal cloning, telephones, trains, televisions, penicillin.
I guess when you're surrounded by fields and sheep, all you can do is drink or think.
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A lot of the modern world was invented by Scots. Maxwell's equations, animal cloning, telephones, trains, televisions, penicillin.
I guess when you're surrounded by fields and sheep, all you can do is drink or think.
I can think of something else involving the sheep.
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Then you really are a Scotchman!
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Pneumatic tyres (which we in the US misspell). And hey, what about Montgomery Scott? ;)
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CC.
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The Scots didn't invent whiskey. From wikipedia:
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After a few shots, who cares how it's spelled?
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The Scottish don't think of themselves as being stupid (that's the stereotype of the Irish, which I'm not saying is true at all). Scots joke: "A Scotsman moves to England. The average IQ of both countries increases"
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Not PC, please suppress (Score:1, Insightful)
I'm sorry, it is not acceptable to attribute any intelligence to genetics, no matter what your evidence.
In fact, the very idea of identifying a measure of "intelligence" and correlating it with outcomes is racist.
This research must be purged. [/current state of intelligence debate]
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Current state of alarmist media debate, not the actual debate.
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Who are you trying to caricature here? Has anyone actually made that argument, or are you just knocking down straw men?
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Some people just love authors' whole "we're just presenting the data, even though it's unpopular" schtick and fail to examine whether or not the actual science is sound.
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Are you claiming that disputing The Bell Curve is equivalent to claiming that intelligence has no genetic basis?
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Chimpanzee IQ Human IQ (Score:2)
Chimpanzee IQ Human IQ
Evolution proves why you are wrong, even if it was meant to be a joke.
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intelligence must be heritable to some degree (Score:2)
Exactly!
"but I've argued with people who think that intelligence is not heritable, but support evolution"
Have we met the same people?! :D
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This research must be purged. [/current state of intelligence debate]
A guy named Dr. Thomas Bouchard [wikipedia.org] did something similar studying fraternal vs. identical twins, and found a genetic contribution of about 75% (for intelligence, not age-related decline in intelligence).
His work is considered one of the landmark studies on the heritability of intelligence. And yes, various groups attempted to suppress his research and get him fired.
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Who said having a higher intelligence was a good thing? Don't most of the business majors make more than engineers. If we go by that standard, intelligence is probably a liability. With intelligence and understanding come options and having more options isn't necessary the best thing in the world.
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I know you're being sarcastic, but I know many very intelligent people of all races, and many really stupid people of all races, and the intilligent members of all the races surely have a genetic component to their giftedness.
There are other reasons for stupidity than genetics; fetal alcohol syndrome, or simple things like the baby's umbilical cord being wrapped around its neck, head trauma in the infant, etc. But high intelligence surely has a genetic component, no matter what the genuis' race. It is in no
Please, rephrase that headline (Score:2)
Please, rephrase that headline "Genes About a Quarter of the Secret To Staying Smart" to represent the more meaningful summary's text "quarter of the differences" so that they mean the same thing.
The headline is grossly misleading.
Moreover, while I haven't read the article I actually suspect is says a quarter of the variation somewhere...
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I have a friend who is six inches taller than me. His wife is six inches taller than mine.
Who is taller, the men, the women, neither, or both?
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Scientists don't know what race is for this purpose because simply going "hyuck, we all know black people have dark skin and big ol lips hyuck hyuck" isn't anything to base research on due to a huge number of genetic differences - as different within dark-skinned peoples as between dark- and light-skinned peoples. In short, there is no "black" or "white" for any purpose except socia
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Don't keep me in suspense! (Score:3)
What are the other two fifths?
I'm curious about the test they used (Score:2)
Because the IQ tests I have seen are all very bad measurements of intelligence.
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Compared to what other method of quantifying intelligence?
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Which is exactly my point, I don't think there is a reliable test measuring intelligence.
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Compared to how well he thought he should score.
the real secret? (Score:2)
Just use your fucking brain to keep learning stuff and doing stuff that takes brain power.
Don't sit around reading Harlequin Romances, watching football, internet memes or the like. That shit really rots your brain.
The other 75% is ... (Score:2)
You don't whack your head on stuff nearly as often.
Meaningless number (Score:2)
I said it before and I will say it again: you cannot give a number like x% of your intelligence is determined by genes unless you define the variation of your genes (difficult, but doable in theory) and the variation of your environment (nearly impossible) first. That is because logically, in very similar environments (such as some egalitarian countries) genes will dominate, and in a homogeneous gene pool the environment will dominate.