Think I'm Not American? Pass the Hamburgers. 362
purkinje writes "Immigrants and their children may choose to eat American food as a way to fit in, a new study found, which may help explain why immigrants catch up to the country's obesity levels in 15 years. The researchers cast doubt on some subjects' Americanness, asking if they spoke English or saying they had to be American to participate; this provokes what psychologists call stereotype threat, the fear you'll confirm negative stereotypes about your group. White participants weren't affected by these comments, but Asian-American participants were more likely to list quintessentially American foods — burgers, BLTs, mac and cheese — as their favorites when the researchers called their status as American into question. They were also more likely to order and eat those dishes, consuming an average of 182 more calories than their non-threatened counterparts."
Ironically (Score:2, Informative)
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And Salisbury steak is from England! And pizza is from Pisa!
Or people with those nationalities immigrated here and named their inventions after their hometowns in order to drum up sales of the "exotic" food.
Re:Ironically (Score:4, Interesting)
Salisbury steak was invented by an American physician, Dr. J. H. Salisbury (1823–1905), and the term "Salisbury steak" was in use in the USA from 1897.
The Ancient Greeks covered their bread with oils, herbs and cheese. In Byzantine Greek the word was spelled or pita, meaning pie. The word has now spread to Turkish as pide, in Balkan languages: Serbo-Croatian pita, Albanian pite, Bulgarian pita, Modern Hebrew pitth via the Judaeo-Spanish pita.
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Nice try, but the only irony is that all of those are indeed aptly named:
French Fries
For also in the 1840s, pomme frites ("fried potatoes") first appeared in Paris. Sadly, we don't know the name of the ingenious chef who first sliced the potato into long slender pieces and fried them. But they were immediately popular, and were sold on the streets of Paris by push-cart vendors.
Frites spread to America where they were called French fried potatoes. You asked how they got their name--pretty obvious, I'd say: they came from France, and they were fried potatoes, so they were called "French fried potatoes." The name was shortened to "french fries" in the 1930s. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2033/whats-the-origin-of-french-fries [straightdope.com]
Salisbury Steak
Pizza
Pizza is a type of bread and dish that has existed since time immemorial in Middle Eastern and Mediterranean cuisine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_pizza [wikipedia.org]
And for good measure:
Belgian Waffles
Vermersch started making waffles from a recipe of his wife's when living in Belgium before the outbreak of World War II. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_history_behind_the_belgian_waffle [answers.com]
Even the name Hamburger has its origin in Hamburg, Germany:
Hamburgers
In the late 18th century, the largest ports in Europe were in Germany. Sailors who had visited the ports of Hamburg, Germany and New York, brought this food and term "Hamburg steak" into popular usage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger#18th_and_19th_centuries [wikipedia.org]
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Junk food has been around as far back as someone said hey I'm hungry and in a bit of a hurry.
Beer was probably the first "junk" food along with cheese and meat on a stick.
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Beer was probably the first "junk" food along with cheese and meat on a stick.
You say this from the comfort of the modern world where clean water is readily available. Beer was invented as a safe beverage because water used to be not so clean.
The pizza is not from Pisa, even ironically. (Score:3)
Cultural Identification in Food (Score:5, Interesting)
Most, if not all, cultures on this planet use food as a method of identity. If you went to China or Japan or France and still only sought out American-style food, you would likely be outcast. It's the same in America... especially for children! What recent immigrant children have to endure in the realm of food-mockery is genuine. /remembers bringing tamales to school in elementary school //remembers watching my Chinese friend bring dried fish and rice. ///kids are horrible and get away with it.
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I hear that!
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You were teased for eating empandas? Bizarre. I'm a lily white Irish/German and making empanadas right this moment. Gotta go take them out of the oven in a couple minutes.
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You're also not a Mexican child in a public school surrounded by white children.
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In the U.S. it is the lone white kid surrounded by Mexican, and black kids. Do not believe the media hype. Unless you live in Norway, 'white' people are not 'on top' any more.
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In the U.S. it is the lone white kid surrounded by Mexican, and black kids. Do not believe what you see. Do not believe the statistics. Instead, believe made-up bullshit spouted by Rush Limbaugh and other dishonest partisans. The whites are endangered!!!!111!!
Fixed that for you.
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Bring them and ignore the little morons. I still get crap at work because I like to let the teawurst age a little at room temp before I eat it.
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Ignoring as a child is a bit more difficult than ignoring as an adult.
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The day the first McDonalds open in Taipei, Taiwan, a line stretched out the front door more than 300 meters. And according The Times:
"In terms of profit, France is second only to the US itself."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article4560082.ece [timesonline.co.uk]
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I am an American, and I stopped eating there years ago. But I loved it when I was a kid. You could probably say that I obsessed over it when I was a kid. I even liked the McRib.
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Try Natto (Score:2)
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Re:Cultural Identification in Food (Score:4, Funny)
You ate a boy band?
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Yes, for example you have to make BBQ, hamburgers and hotdogs to become Canadian [youtube.com].
So who am I trying to fit in with? (Score:2)
Ever since I was a kid, I've loved Mexican and Chinese and Italian food.
Sure, I like burgers, but you say "spaghetti" or "tacos" or "kung pao" to a kid and you're getting whoops of joy. Even if it's shitty school cafeteria renditions of them.
Kids are eating burgers because it's different from what they get at home every day and they like it. End of stupid story.
Now can we get on with pointing out the inherent bigotry of constantly questioning the validity of immigration?
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That is utter nonsense. There are many regional cuisines in America, some of which are quite healthy, and many of which are identified globally as part of the "American" table. That the real cuisines are regional rather than national is not peculiar to America, either: "Italian" food is a collection of many regional cuisines, as well.
Re:Cultural Identification in Food (Score:4, Informative)
Bullshit!
BBQ, at least as it is prepared here, is most certainly an American invention. Much of the native South and North Eastern food is American, though admittedly influenced by different parts of Europe (but then, who isn't, there was a time when the Italians didn't have pasta). The western states have been developing and refining a cuisine all their own over the past decade or so.
As for Cheese, America produces world class cheddar cheese never mind some of the other varieties.
Sure, Americans might eat a lot of fast food but all you do is show your ignorance by claiming there is no "American food" that isn't crap.
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True, though many cheese snobs would take issue with referring to cheddar as a cheese.
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BBQ was an australian thing originally.
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Not just pasta, staples like tomatoes, corn, and potatoes are all new world crops. It's amazing to go into a restaurant in Europe and think what the menu would look like without new world food. "Traditional" European food was actually massive amounts of meat, bread, cheese, and maybe a bit of vegetable matter. European colonization of the Americas radically changed what Europeans ate.
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BBQ, at least as it is prepared here, is most certainly an American invention.
Uh, as it is prepared where? It differs from state to state and in some cases from county to county. Some people sauce, some rub; some marinade, some brine; some do none of these things and just expect the meat to do its own thing, and then you get sauce at the table.
The western states have been developing and refining a cuisine all their own over the past decade or so.
That's really not true; it's all very derivative. Some of it is pretty fascinating but none of it is new. Hell, it's not even regional; nobody is serving acorn mash. (I'm sure somebody is, but statistically...) I wouldn't be surprised if wheat
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Shame on you for coming in on a student visa, getting involved with a gang and having a shoot-out. Plainly, your entire American dining experience was at a university dining hall, a hospital, and prison.
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The US has many food identities, I grew up on an Indian Reservation which had alot of German and Scandinavian settlers from 1905-1920, there was a mix of eastern and northern European foods along with Plains Indian foods.
The southwestern US has Tex-Mex, northern Mexican and Central American influences, the big cities on the West Coast have their takes on what grew there and what is popular today.
As for all cheese being "industrial sealant in the UK" that is just trolling, Oregon, California and the Midwest
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What did you get arrested for? I'd have thought they'd just deport you rather than have you spend enough time at a detention center to have a meal there.
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Or Arkansas.
I was visiting a friend in NW Arkansas back in the mid-90s and we went to a family chain restaurant that's apparently popular in Oklahoma through NY. The food was so bland as to be inedible.
Re:Cultural Identification in Food (Score:4, Insightful)
That's likely due to income. Taco Bell has some of the cheapest fast food in the nation and it's, well, fast! Food quality and nutrients notwithstanding, if you and your spouse have 3 kids and are working multiple minimum wage jobs, you're not likely going to want to cook proper home-made food every night nor could you likely afford better fast food.
As an aside, is it OK to refer to people as "illegals" and their children as "anchor babies"? Being Mexican-American, I enjoy torturing white people when they refer to my ethnicity. One week I'll be "Hispanic", and the next will be "Latino", "Mexican", "Mexican-American", or "Chicano", but I'm yet to hear, from anyone, that it is commonly acceptable to refer to someone as an "illegal" and their children as "anchor babies".
I'm asking out of genuine curiosity. I may just be behind the times.
Illegal Immigrant in my mind says that the person is in the country illegally and plans to stay. An "Illegal" sounds like the person illegally exists. "Anchor babies" sounds like the people had children in the country for the express intent of using immigration policy to preserve their own residence. It's without love for the child.
So, ya... is that normal?
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And as far as income goes, a lot "authentic" Mexican food that poor people in the US eat is awful. It is nothing at all like the stuff you get in Mexican restaurants. Sure we all have pictures of the loving grandmother hand making tortillas and cooking up her special mole sauce, but in practice you're more likely to see lots of lard and frying and little to no vegetables.
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No, Illegal is a shortening of illegal alien or illegal immigrant, and thanks to the newspeak of the left, will probably be removed for the more neutral undocumented immigrant,
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A better description would be: The offspring of Spaniards that committed the genocide of nearly every indigenous people on two major land masses while spreading the word of God that he loves them even as they are being tortured and murdered, who sometimes illegally emigrate to the US by sneaking across the border with Mexico, while having anchor babies (though they still love them) to secure social services and annoy white people while taking
Re:Cultural Identification in Food (Score:5, Funny)
The offspring of Spaniards that committed the genocide of nearly every indigenous people on two major land masses while spreading the word of God that he loves them even as they are being tortured and murdered, who sometimes illegally emigrate to the US by sneaking across the border with Mexico, while having anchor babies (though they still love them) to secure social services and annoy white people while taking jobs they are no longer interested in (at least not for $5 an hour)
Could you imagine putting that as a demographic questionnaire on the census??
Select all that apply:
[ ] White/Caucasian
[ ] Black/African American
[ ] American Indian/Alaska Native
[ ] Asian
[ ] Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander
[ ] Hispanic/Latino (legal)
[x] The offspring of Spaniards that committed the genocide of nearly every indigenous people on two major land masses while spreading the word of God that he loves them even as they are being tortured and murdered, who sometimes illegally emigrate to the US by sneaking across the border with Mexico, while having anchor babies (though they still love them) to secure social services and annoy white people while taking jobs they are no longer interested in (at least not for $5 an hour)
[ ] Other
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Illegal Immigrant in my mind says that the person is in the country illegally and plans to stay. An "Illegal" sounds like the person illegally exists. "Anchor babies" sounds like the people had children in the country for the express intent of using immigration policy to preserve their own residence. It's without love for the child.
And your point is? People do that and other people whine about it on public forums. I think Slashdot is annoying enough without getting in a tizzy about faux racism (especially, when the one in a tizzy implicitly practice it themselves, unless you think it's ok for every ethnic group other than the ones you happen to identify with to break whatever laws are convenient to break whenever they feel like it).
I find US immigration law to be both an abomination and a vast embarrassment. But it remains that US
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Well, the guy who described them to me as "illegals" was the owner of the house, and he was himself a first generation Mexican immigrant (who liked to take advantage of female illegals because they were easy to get rid of when he got tired of them). I don't have hangups about it because I lived in that neighborhood for 6 years and yes, the Mexicans will refer to people here illegally as "illegals". And it's well established that there is a real phenomenon of anchor babies, whether we like the term or not.
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Asian-Americans 'fitting in' (Score:3, Interesting)
Research indicates that Asian-American SAT scores drop in the third generation and drop-out rates catch up with the rest of the population by the fifth. Following the lowering of ambitions from 'medical school' to 'minimum wage cashier at Walmart' in seventh-generation Asian-Americans, assimilation is deemed complete.
Re:Asian-Americans 'fitting in' (Score:4, Funny)
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Fifth generation? Seventh generation???
That's, respectively, ~120 and ~170 years ago. Not even my Northern European ancestors had arrived that long ago...
Rtfa (Score:5, Funny)
Anyone who doesn't want that burger isn't un-American. They're inhuman.
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Alright boys, we just found ourselves a bot. And you thought you passed the Turing test?
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Did anyone else hear that "whoosh" sound?
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Tasty Food (Score:2)
It may not be nutritious, but it sure tastes good. I recently worked with some vendors from the UK, and they said their favorite part of America was the food. I imagine that when you only have it occasionally, the ingredients don't really matter that much to you. (Of course, this was food at nicer sit-down restaurants, not fast food.)
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If it's not "nutritious", then it probably doesn't fully achieve the potential of the particular "cuisine" either. ...it's like the guy talking about Taco Bell vs. Tacos in general.
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I was speaking to the issue of using real ingredients that haven't had all of their life sucked out of them by one or more mega corporations.
I also dispute the idea that fast food is "cheap". Any restaurant has to put severe margins on what they sell. That applies to crappy fast food too.
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What's the old joke? Oh yeah:
Heaven is a place where the lovers are Italian, the cooks are French, the mechanics are German, the police are English, the teenagers are Japanese, the movie makers are American, the musicians are Russian, the women are Swedish, and the bankers are Swiss.
Hell is a place where the lovers are Swiss, the cooks are English, the mechanics are French, the police are German, the teenagers are American, the movie makers are Japanese, the musicians are Swedish, the women are Russian, an
You're making Hell look good (Score:2)
the movie makers are Japanese
Some people like various genres of anime. You're making Hell look good.
the musicians are Swedish
Did the Amiga demoscene musicians go to Hell? You're making Hell look good.
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Well, I've never been there, but I am told they have many fine Indian, Greek, Chinese, and other ethnic restaurants at which you can find food with flavo[u]r... Which is pretty much how it would be here except that we have discovered spices in the new world
I wonder if this is (partly) an evolved trait? (Score:2)
I've noticed this at my job (Score:3)
We have a very diverse group here at work. Probably about a dozen different nationalities, but the cultural divide is pretty much split along two axes:
Ominvore/Vegetarian
Drinkers/Non-Drinkers
If you make a 2x2 grid and populate it with people based on their eating and drinking habits, you'd find that members of each group don't interact much with those outside their group. And if they do, it's much more likely to be from a neighboring cell on the grid than from opposite corner
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Perhaps that's more because vegetarian teetotling is a religion in addition to a diet....
They're more American than I am (Score:2)
When I started caring about my diet and wanting to improve my health, I found myself eating a lot of "Asian" and "Middle Eastern" types of food. I was a vegetarian for a while, but have since started eating meat again. The idea of trying to make vegetarian equivalents of traditional American foods often leads to some not so great results. On the other hand, there are other cultures that eat primarily vegetarian diets and have been doing so for generations. Not surprisingly, their food tastes great despi
American food is tasty (Score:2)
and easily available.
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Read Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser. Billions of dollars of chemical and food additive research goes into making fast food taste good. It kind of creeped me out to learn that.
Royale With Cheese (Score:3, Informative)
Jules: Mmm-mmmm. That is a tasty burger. Vincent, ever have a Big Kahuna Burger?
[Vincent shakes his head]
Jules: Wanna bite? They're real tasty.
Vincent: Ain't hungry.
Jules: Well, if you like burgers give 'em a try sometime. I can't usually get 'em myself because my girlfriend's a vegitarian which pretty much makes me a vegitarian. But I do love the taste of a good burger. Mm-mm-mm. You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in France?
Brett: No.
Jules: Tell 'em, Vincent.
Vincent: A Royale with cheese.
Jules: A Royale with cheese! You know why they call it that?
Brett: Because of the metric system?
Jules: Check out the big brain on Brett! You're a smart motherf*cker.
Much better explanation. (Score:2)
There is a much better explanation -- immigrants would not expect that food as unhealthy as this would be allowed to be sold in the first place.
This also explains why foreign countries seem to have more corrupt governments -- in US all corruption is at the very top, and is perfectly legal.
You people (Score:2)
"In this country (America) you people throw away better food that I ate in mine" --A Sikh I met.
Good people, dry sense of humor. Work way too damn hard (complement).
Don't touch the knife.
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In 10 - 15 years I hope he thinks of us as his people.
It's obvious (Score:2)
Say hello to Frank's heart! (Score:2)
What would you say if I told you I've invented a low cost, low maintenance household device that could easily last for a decade or more?
Say hello to Frank's heart!
I've harnessed Frank's heart. I was cleaning the snakes out of the pantry yesterday when suddenly it hit me... Nothing works harder than the human heart, especially when it's clogged with cholesterol. Now, Frank's heart was a mess, and it's getting worse all the time.
The rest was easy. Frank eats, I surgically attach a generator to his heart, a
Study is Bullshit (Score:5, Interesting)
Home Food... Where's Home? (Score:2)
Strange... I'm an American and I wasn't overweight when I was in the U.S., eating hamburgers and things... It was when I went to India for ten years, eating rich, greasy Indian foods that I ballooned out till I can't bend down to tie my shoe laces without huffing and puffing and being out of breath...
Now that I'm back in the U.S. again and eating a fairly typical American diet, I'm finally losing some of that excess poundage...
Peer pressure (Score:3)
Just based on the demographics they chose for the study, it seems to me that this particular group is still very susceptible to peer pressure. In my personal experience having a lot of Asian-American and purely Asian colleagues as well as friends in every place in the world, I have to say that when an individual no longer has the pressure to "fit" in a specific environment, and their cultural differences are just accepted by their peers, they tend to choose whatever they like, some things Asian and some things American.
Thinking people, in the right [accepting] environment, and at the right age (past the age where they are more susceptible to peer pressure) tend to develop a stronger sense of self, in many cases, becoming a trans-national, where the place where you were born no longer defines you, but you choose how to define yourself. Don't underestimate the fact that people, individuals, do grow up, change and adapt.
Food in itself is one of those amazing things that tends to mark how we see the world, and yet, once you are exposed to many different cultures, it is just natural to learn to appreciate everything and everyone. Food is one of those rare things that can unite us more than divide us.
Availability (Score:5, Insightful)
As an Englishman who's spent the last decade in the States...
It has nothing to do with my trying to fit in and everything to do with what I can get for a decent price at a decent quality.
If I'd like Shepherd's Pie, my options are very expensive faux Irish theme pubs or lousy quality from cheap theme pubs that have once seen a picture of what a Shepherd's Pie might look like. If I'd like a proper roast with roast potatoes and Yorkshire pudding, I can go to a senior citizen trap and get decent beef, terrible fried potatoes and a look of bewilderment if I mention Yorkshire pudding. If I want a good curry (Partition and its immigrants have made it a staple in England), I can get something dire at the mall, something mediocre in my city (thank you H1Bs) but I have to (and do, regularly) drive 80 miles each way and pay about $50/person to get great baltis, kormas, etc.
Or, if I'd like pizza, I can choose from any of a dozen local pizza joints. If I'd like a burger, I can choose from any of twenty chains plus local specialty places. And Mexican offers me hundreds of hole in the wall places plus at least half a dozen major chains. I can eat at every one of those for well under $10 too.
So, yes, I eat like an American and my waist rapidly started to look like an American's too. It has nothing to do with trying to fit in and everything to do with what's available. Give me a Sainsbury's and a Tesco, a good chippy (no, those things Americans call English pub chips really aren't), a good kebab shop (gyros may start with the same ingredients but are nothing like a British kebab) and a lifetime's supply of Cadbury's, Ginsters, etc. and I'll stay the hell away from American assimilation.
I don't think it's even a national thing. Ask any Californian who'd visited what Mexican food is like in Minnesota (not unlike eating a photograph of a burrito: it looks like one but tastes like cardboard). Ask any Pennsylvanian what a cheesesteak is like in California (for the love of God, why would you put avocado and lettuce in it?). Those people will also assimilate to the good local foods rather than endure the terrible bastardizations of what they love back home. Nothing to do with fitting in, everything to do with availability.
If only there was some common saying about correllation not being equal to causation.
And now you may all proceed with the English food and dentistry jokes. You've been very patient.
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That's exactly right, I wish I had mod points. If you are an Asian in the Midwest, your choices are bad Asian food, very bad Asian food, or burgers. If you are a central European in the Midwest, your choices are driving 250 miles to Chicago, or bad Asian food. Or burgers.
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I am afraid that "most" Americans do eat that kind of food. I will, sometimes, when I'm in a real rush. But, I'd rather take the time to sit down to a meat and potato meal, sometimes rice instead of 'taters, with a veggie or two. I'm not much of a salad eater, but I'll put one away, once in awhile. I LOVE desserts - but by the time I've filled my belly with real food, there isn't much room for desserts, so my weight stays pretty stable at a mere 15 pounds over my "optimum" weight".
I will say, fast foods
Re:They are trying too hard to fit in (Score:5, Funny)
I am afraid that "most" Americans do eat that kind of food. I will, sometimes, when I'm in a real rush. But, I'd rather take the time to sit down to a meat and potato meal, sometimes rice instead of 'taters, with a veggie or two. I'm not much of a salad eater, but I'll put one away, once in awhile. I LOVE desserts - but by the time I've filled my belly with real food, there isn't much room for desserts, so my weight stays pretty stable at a mere 15 pounds over my "optimum" weight".
What a great story. Please tell us more about what you like to eat, because this was so interesting my eyes are bleeding.
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Seriously, if the point of the TFA is to promote more fear about eating crappy food, they should just keep the findings to themselves.
Reading this made me hungry for shitty food.
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Sadly, they mean Kraft Dinner.
Terrance and Philip pronounce it Kroff Dinner. They should know, from the shape of their heads they are obviously Canadians from the great Northern empire of Canadia.
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What a droll and uninteresting life.
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Living on a rez myself now I love real American food. You haven't had salmon BBQ until you've had it from net to fire in 10 minutes.
Raw whale is a bit of an acquired taste though.
(Oh, Tulalip, BTW.)
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Some of best sushi I've ever had was in Anchorage at Yamato (across from the phone company on Telephone Avenue.) And quite the choice of places too for a town that size.
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Never have eaten a burger, BLT or mac and cheese
Not the burger, but I don't blame you for not eating the others... I've seen and smelled Mac & Cheese, and that'll never pass my lips if I can help it... Ick!
And a BLT, no, the parts might be fine, but altogether it just sounds like a bunch of incompatible components. Besides, I don't care much for lettuce.
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What makes a fish and chips "northern"? It's just fried fish and potatoes, right?
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Maybe for people that never move. As someone who was born in another country then moved a lot in the USA, due to being an army brat, that does not work on me.
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For anyone not familiar with a true northern fish and chips, there's a reason it's not served at any Michelin starred restaurants.
Why's that? Because the Michelin people simply don't know good food?
I sure enjoyed the fish & chips in England when I had some business trips there. I don't know northern vs. southern style, of course, but it was all delicious no matter what shape it was, whether it was on a porcelain or wrapped in newspaper...
Now I've moved to Brooklyn, New York City, and there's a British-style chippy just two blocks from my apartment... The shandy sucks, but the fish & chips with mushy peas rock!
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BBQ, brunswick stew, grits to possibly name a few others.
It's hard to have "original" dishes when this country is made up of a bunch of immigrants.
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Point of origin is irrelevant for what they were studying. If it's commonly eaten in the US, then it's a US dish. Otherwise it's not.
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2. I remember seeing that on the news from the other side. If memory serves, it was built as a nice sit-down restaurant or buffet, not like McDonald's here in the US.
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if they eat hamburgers to be americans... what does this say about vegetarians? are they cow wannabies?