Microsoft Celebrates Feynman 50-year Anniversary 169
Julie188 writes "A couple of years ago Microsoft acquired the rights to the famed filmed lecture series by Nobel Prize-winning physicist Richard Feynman and posted them online for all to see via its Project Tuva site. As part of the 50-year anniversary of the lectures, the Project Tuva site now includes commentary from MIT physics professor Robert Jaffe. Project Tuva still requires Silverlight (alas, not HTML5), but does offer some nifty features for the aspiring physics student, such as search and the ability to take notes."
Because it's Silverlight... (Score:3, Insightful)
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I'll see it just fine. I don't feel the need to be a luddite.
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Wow, not kowtowing to the latest in whiz-bang proprietary lock-in bullshit is being a luddite now? It amazes me that people have worked so hard to free the web from the clutches of the likes of MS (active-X) and Adobe (flash) through the efforts put into html5 and now we get the pleasure of being called a luddite. If anything, I'd say not embracing the <img> tag is being a luddite.
Wow, using a free browser addon that has versions for Windows, Mac, and Linux is kowtowing to the latest in whiz-bang proprietary lock-in bullshit now? Everything more advanced than the <img> tag is somehow shameful? How fearful you must be every time you click a link. I don't think I'd enjoy your Internet very much.
Re:Because it's Silverlight... (Score:5, Insightful)
Wow, using a free browser addon that has versions for Windows, Mac, and Linux
That's interesting. Because, you see, I just went here [microsoft.com], was told my browser was not officially supported so I should go here [go-mono.com] and install moonlight. Okay, cool, so I do it and go back to here [microsoft.com]. Guess what. No lecture. That's some support.
I don't think I'd enjoy your Internet very much.
My html5 open standards based internet is fantastic, thank you very much. Works on my iPhone, my Xoom, my Ubuntu netbook, my Ubuntu desktop, and my Droid smartphone. Have fun playing with your silverflash.
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HA! That's a pretty good argument; I no longer have Linux installed so I took Mono's word for this, but if it doesn't really work then I stand corrected.
Thanks.
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Expensive to even see what HPC is doing on MS (Score:2)
Re:Because it's Silverlight... (Score:4, Informative)
MS then insists that you install their propriety video player to play it. Not an HTML5 tag, not *any* of the multitude of Flash based video players, NOT EVEN A SIMPLE LINK TO A VIDEO FILE!
If you want to make something available to everybody for free you don't use a rarely used system that does nothing except replicate existing functionality whilst locking everybody else out. You don't insist they download (yet another) resource grabbing plugin. If you want everyone to see it you do what we did ten years ago, we called it "putting it on the internet" and it involved placing a video file on a server and then putting a link to the file on a web page. It's not that complicated, and I'm sure MS can cope with it. Unless, of course, you don't want "everybody" to see it. If you want only confirmed Silverlight users to see it then it makes perfect sense. I'm sure Feynman would have appreciated the gesture.
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Okay... but how is this different from Flash? Is it worse simply because it's newer?
I do agree that a downloadable video file would have been better, but it really seems to me that the word "Microsoft" is all some people need to see to fly into a paranoid rant. If they had linked to a file I have no doubt that someone would have posted about how the format they used was suboptimal and MS is trying to keep us from experiencing the video in some other format that is better.
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Re:Because it's Silverlight... (Score:5, Insightful)
I was bummed to discover that Microsoft owns the rights to the Feynman lectures. Available in Silverlight only just rubs salt in the wound.
Re:Because it's Silverlight... (Score:5, Insightful)
I was bummed to discover that Microsoft owns the rights to the Feynman lectures. Available in Silverlight only just rubs salt in the wound.
Exactly. Feynman loved to teach and he loved to educate. He would not appreciate people holding his teaching behinds artificial barriers. What a shame. I'd sad to see Feynman's legacy "owned" by people who are so inferior-minded and unimportant compared to him.
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Re:Because it's Silverlight... (Score:5, Insightful)
What barrier, a free download barrier?
For some value of "free".
Free download, but only available for Windows and OS X. If you're on Linux, there's Mono, but that tends to lag behind -- I usually have to get some bleeding-edge version whenever I actually need some Silverlight content. And contrary to popular belief, neither Windows nor OS X is "free".
What's insulting about this, especially to Feynman's legacy, is that there's a very simple right way to do this: HTML5. And that actually is behind a free download -- Chrome, Firefox, etc, assuming you don't already have a browser capable of playing it. Or, for that matter, multiple technologies at once, if you're afraid of the codec issue -- put it in, say, H.264, then you should be able to develop Flash and Silverlight shims for browsers which don't support H.264 in HTML5.
Re:Because it's Silverlight... (Score:5, Insightful)
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I think it's really time the *nix admins drop all of their services from the net for a day or so, just to see what remains and finally settle this "minority OS" joke once and for all.
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Stop already ok?
No. Stop reading, if you have a problem.
It is *free* and *available* for 98% of the world. The last 2% includes linux, bsd, plan 9, etc.
Note how you listed more desktop OSes in your "last 2%" than support Silverlight for those "98%".
Oh, and does it support iPhone? Android? There are large chunks of the world, significantly more than 2%, for which their phone is their computer. That's not an exaggeration, either -- people who actually do have a phone, but no desktop, laptop, etc.
You know what? You made a concious choice to use an OS that is not only in the minority, but is miniscule in use compared to win and osx. You knew that
What does this have to do with the ideals of free information and education?
so stop whining when a company makes a product
And herein lies the problem. I wasn't whining abo
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There were builds of Chrome which ran on Linux and supported H.264. And it can legally be used on a very large number of Linux systems. Buy a Dell with Ubuntu preinstalled? It probably came with the Fluendo codecs -- legal support for a large number of codecs. Or maybe it has an nVidia card? Well, you've already paid for hardware H.264 support, and the nVidia Linux drivers can use it.
But as a technical matter, codecs are much less annoying than Silverlight. Most codecs work most of the time with FOSS altern
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Re:Because it's Silverlight... (Score:5, Funny)
You know what else was a free download? IE6.
That's it then; the thread has been Godwindowed.
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And at the time it was bar far the best browser you could get. Just because companies are still using it 10 years after release is not their fault.
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And at the time it was bar far the best rich content plugin you could get. Just because companies are still using it 10 years after release is not their fault.
There FTFY
Do people not learn?
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'He would not appreciate people holding his teaching behinds artificial barriers.'
Feynman was pretty keen on unlocking things, too. Perhaps he'd have approved of unoffcial methods of viewing these lectures, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=feynman+messenger+lectures [youtube.com]
Note that the MS site doesn't have the famous 'Feynman Lectures on Physics', but the much shorter series of 7 Messenger Lectures given at Cornell:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Character_of_Physical_Law [wikipedia.org]
Re:Because it's Silverlight... (Score:4, Informative)
Incidentally, there'll be a new multimedia version of the actual 'Feynman Lectures on Physics' out this year. They've integrated the (corrected) text with Feynman's original audio, blackboard photos, and related problems:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqRp9tyDLvw [youtube.com]
http://www.basicfeynman.com/enhanced.html [basicfeynman.com]
Goddness knows what locked-down format this will be in, though.
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Exactly. Feynman loved to teach and he loved to educate. He would not appreciate people holding his teaching behinds artificial barriers. What a shame. I'd sad to see Feynman's legacy "owned" by people who are so inferior-minded and unimportant compared to him.
This doesn't even come close to "owning" Feynman's legacy. These are a small set of lectures, impressive for sure, out of thousands of lectures he gave over the course of his life. Before Microsoft picked up the rights to these, they were owned by C
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He would not appreciate people holding his teaching behinds artificial barriers.
Actually Feynman would have told you to put two sticks together to reach the bannana. [youtube.com]
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It's part of an experiment.
They're working on a theory of Quantum Embargodynamics.
Once it's perfected they'll be able to keep you from doing anything without a license. No matter what kind of matter or energy you are, no matter where you are in the universe.
Just go out & buy (Score:2)
'Surely your'e joking Mr Feneyman'
A darn good read.
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These should absolutely be in the public domain. It drives me crazy when companies claim rights to something that they had no part in creating or any real connection to. These should be archived at the Library of Congress and freely available to anyone to use and learn from.
Also, Feynman rules!
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Its not Microsofts fault your particular setup doesn't work
It's not a question of whose fault it is. The bottom line is this is just another internet grab from MS. We just got out from under "This website only works in internet explorer" now you expect us to get right back into an MS only web? Yeah, right.
Re:Because it's Silverlight... (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, then your a short sighted moron.
The fact that any corporation can own the "rights" to a lecture series by one of the most brilliant physicists (and teachers of physics) in the last century is appalling.
These lectures were filmed by Caltech, and it's awful to have anybody "own" them. It's just the kind of thing that shouldn't be locked up in some corporations IP portfolio -- and I don't care if it's Microsoft, Sony, or Time Warner.
Really, what next ... The Einstein/Pepsi Theory of Relativity? Planck's Constant, brought to you by Staples?
My point is that no commercial entity should hold the "rights" to this. This is quite depressing.
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How about Apple?
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"Owning" the Feyman lectures?
I don't even understand why this is a property someone could buy in the first place. It's just bizarre.
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Re:Because it's Silverlight... (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes it does, and it works just fine on my copy of firefox running on os x.
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I can watch Netflix using Chrome, but the Project Tuva site says my browser isn't supported for Silverlight...
So I went to the effort of setting up moonlight (4.0), getting it to work on chrome compiling necessary software.
Even the silverlight port of Quake worked (quakelight), albeit actually playing didn't.
However, that site denies me access because my browser isn't "officially" supported -- surprise surprise.
Where I work, there are mostly physicists, most of them use Linux and quite a few use OSX, windows users being a (very) small minority.
Physicists in practice being denied access to the lectures by on
Silverlight works in Chrome. The site is broken! (Score:2)
Use this extension [google.com] to change Chrome's UA string to something this Tuva site will accept. I changed it to IE8 and installed the latest version [microsoft.com] of Silverlight for good measure.
Not on the Internet. (Score:5, Insightful)
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X is also not on the Internet due to the requirement of Flash.
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Since when does http://www.x.org/ [x.org] require Flash?
'X' is not the X Windowing System. (Score:2)
They did not a nice domain x.org.
And you missed the point I am not talking about the X Windowing System. I am talking about Apple Computers. Where the Apple, does not want Flash to run.
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Flash runs on (almost) everything, and is being ported to run on everything (that's more than trivially worth porting to).
Silverlight is being deliberately hoarded for use only by Windows and Macintosh machines.
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Flash runs on (almost) everything, and is being ported to run on everything (that's more than trivially worth porting to).
Silverlight is being deliberately hoarded for use only by Windows and Macintosh machines.
Considering that's probably 98% of the machines in use it's a non-issue, especially since Moonlight is there for Linux, and if it doesn't work, well you can just grab the source and fix it yourself.
As for Flash, Steve has said it sucks, so it must. Along with Blu-Ray.
Personally, I'd like them to make the lectures available cheaply on DVD or available via download; because the bigger issue, for me, is I'd like to watch them when I don't have net access, such as an 8 hour plane flight.
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Considering that's probably 98% of the machines in use it's a non-issue,
During version 6's heyday, IE had almost that amount of marketshare [wikimedia.org] Browser innovation by Microsoft came to a grinding halt for years. Cool progressive technologies like svg support? Fuggedaboutit. Fast javascript engine? Yeah, right. You wouldn't want to make the browser too powerful right? Might usurp some of the need for, you know, a particular desktop operating system. Fortunately, Firefox got some traction and now we have a very healthy browser market with newer and more advanced capabilities c
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Considering that's probably 98% of the machines in use it's a non-issue,
During version 6's heyday, IE had almost that amount of marketshare [wikimedia.org] Browser innovation by Microsoft came to a grinding halt for years. Cool progressive technologies like svg support? Fuggedaboutit. Fast javascript engine? Yeah, right. You wouldn't want to make the browser too powerful right? Might usurp some of the need for, you know, a particular desktop operating system. Fortunately, Firefox got some traction and now we have a very healthy browser market with newer and more advanced capabilities coming down the pike all the time. Why go back to the bad old days of the internet? The argument that, "well, it works on Winders and mcintosh" isn't good enough. It wasn't good enough then and it isn't now.
I think you are confusing the platform with the technology. Ensuring your technology (Silverlight) runs on the two platforms (Win/OSX) that dominate the desktop means virtually everyone will have access to your technology; they few who don't us either platform simply are not worth expending resources to reach. Once a platform reaches critical mass (such tablet OS's) the technology will move to them as well (well, unless the Steve dictates is sucks). While the platform can limit the technologies performance
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I'm a consultant ... gibberish ...
Wow, no kidding.
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Or more fundamentally, in a format usable by portable devices. Like tablets.
These days, I save the long YouTube videos for my iPad where instead of sitting down at the computer watching it, I can rest somewhere else with the iPad on my lap and watch the video in comfort. Yeah, I could also w
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Actually I'm saying thanks to the submitter because I completely missed this part of the copyright problem.
If the only "authorized copy" of some Grade AA Must-Have item is buried it that cabinet with the Beware of Leopard sign, that could instantly flash us to IE6 2.0 problems for hundreds of proprietary blobs!
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Thank You (was:Not on the Internet.) (Score:2)
I see some people have also discovered that there are many disjoint internets being produced by the venders trying to take over the world. You know who is doing this to people.
But take note that Google payed for the bandwidth that I used to view the set of you-tube meda using my open source software. I leave it to you to figure out Where the better Internet is. and why you might ha
Silverlight? BULLSHIT. (Score:2, Insightful)
Anyone have a torrent link?
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Of course, torrents would be appreciated. :)
Christ, put out a DVD set. (Score:1)
Silverlight (Score:1)
"Project Tuva still requires Silverlight"
They'd be better sending it out on 5.25" floppies, more people would see it.
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5.25" floppies, eh?
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Netflix can be viewed on all major video game consoles, and there are other devices like the Roku. I'm fairly sure these don't run Silverlight, the Wii and PS3 particularly. I don't have any statistics on which device people use to watch Netflix. But I think there is a larger audience of people who want to watch the movies on their TV rather than their computer screen and don't know how to set up an HTPC.
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Hrm. The Netflix web client uses Silverlight, that's sorta the point -- more people use the Silverlight route (or HTPC route) than a Roku. Stated as a happy Roku owner, but I know I'm in a minority, just as all principled Silverlight abstainers should know they are in a minority.
What's the fuss? (Score:1)
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It's kind of always been my impression that was exactly how physicists did math.
Not trolling, but I've been told by physics majors
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Feynman wasn't just another Nobel Prize wining physicist. When he was an undergraduate at MIT he competed in the Putnam Competition and "won" (the top few scores are lumped together and he was one of the competitors with a top score). Meaning that he wasn't a bull in a china shop when it came to mathematical sophistication. On the other hand I did hear first hand when he compared physics to math as analogous to comparing sex to masturbating.
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So which particular scientific discipline would be the full-blown orgy ?
What, NOTHING about the CONTENT? (Score:3)
Re:What, NOTHING about the CONTENT? (Score:4, Insightful)
In order to comment on the content, you have to see the content.
I'm guessing we're finding out how many /. users use /. on Windows boxes this time of day.
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In order to comment on the content, you have to see the content.
So it's different from articles?
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No, it's different from content you could see if you clicked on it.
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Feynman has talked a lot about the importance of openness in science. For example, at the end of "What do you care what other people think?" there is a praise of the scientific method that resonates well with Open Source. Therefore, putting Feynman's work behind the bars of Microsoft is particularly blasphemous.
Feynman probably would have agreed. In the very next sentence, he probably would have called you an idiot for not watching it anyway. In the Douglas Robb Memorial Lectures, Feynman was asked this q
Re:What, NOTHING about the CONTENT? (Score:5, Insightful)
Marshall McLuhan (I think?) would be proud that the Medium is the Message. If you wanted to talk about Feynman's Awesomeness, you/someone would have posted a story like "It's the 50th anniversary of Feynman's Lectures. How has Feynman contributed to what you do today?"
This story is "Microsoft bought the rights to SomeCoolContent. However, they couldn't have picked any of three generic video formats, but once again made an excuse to follow their Proprietary Only strategy."
2002 called. They want their "Sites work only in IE" back.
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I have to agree with you on this rant. Way to many moons ago I walked into my freshman physics class with high hopes of being a physicist. I am not sure such an engaging lecturer as Dr. Feynman would have saved me from the pit of hell that was calculus (thus sparking my career in computer science), but listening to him today shook the dust off my love for physics.
I followed along, took notes like I was in class and felt that at the end of the lecture that I had learned something new, even from a1964 film.
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I am a Linux fan and support FOSS
So did you watch the lectures from Linux? Are you happy the lectures are being used to promote a Windows view of the Web?
Feynman's awesome, but when his awesomeness is being used to promote proprietary formats that takes center stage.
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OK, here is a comment on the content. I went through the hoops to soil my MBP with Silverlight. Then I learn that these aren't THE Feynman Lectures, they are just some Feynman lectures given at Cornell to a fairly general audience. I recall reading somewhere that the actual Feynman lectures delivered to undergrads at Caltech in the 60's which are the basis of the textbooks are stored somewhere in a video archive. The release of those lectures is what I thought was being announced. Of course that would be a
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> Jesus Christ on stick
Is that the new catholic... well, schtick? Not a bad move, everything is better onna stick.
I hope, in 2025... (Score:1)
...we will celebrate 50-year annivesary of Microsoft -- by removing Windows support from the last piece of still-maintained software.
Favorite Feynman Piece (Score:2)
And I call it a piece of art because the man was a damn artist when it came to explaining physics.
The universe in a glass of wine.
Searching for it returns nothing.
I know you can look it up by the section of the class, but come on natural language search is the new pink.
I'll stick to the bad recordings passed around by CIT students for the past quarter century.
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Didn't even warrant a troll mod :( damn Caltech guys must be reading another thread.
"anniversary" IMPLIES "year"! (Score:2)
"50-year anniversary" is as redundant as ATM machine, PIN number, etc.
And while I'm off-topic, they're not celebrating 50 years (or "50 year-years", if you're the headline writer) of Feynman; they're celebrating 50 years of his Lectures.
[Off to mow the lawn with my lawn-lawnmower.]
About time to be released in some form or another (Score:2)
I remember that I got a copy from a friend in high school on a collection of ripped CD's that I might just as easily have not gotten my hands on. It is the single-most inspiring series of lectures many people will ever hear in physics for the target audience of entry level university physics progressing towards graduate physics (save maybe the early lecture on how to take a derivative of displacement, which showed the time of the series). About damn time that it is freely available to the general public.
Silverlight is not officially supported in your... (Score:2)
...browser.
So, since when has Microsoft ever had a problem with Silverlight running in Chrome? I've been to many Silverlight sites with no issues whatsoever. Why is this one in particular discriminating? The link it even tries to send me to points out that Silverlight is installed and working fine.
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And it's different from Flash how? All I know is that technically Silverlight runs on a much more capable platform. I also trust .net runtime much more than any Flash VM. And I'm no microsoft fanboy.
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Vaporware and patent trapware.
Never use it.
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The thing is that Microsoft has been shouting that Linux infringes on 235 patents for years now (and still won't produce them, because they are probably piss-weak). Why add to the pile by using mono/moonlight/whatever Miguel comes up with to deliberately plant Microsoft IP into the Linux Standard Base?
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Just downloaded the latest and tried it on the Project Tuva site.
No dice. The site won't serve the content. Claims my system is still unsupported and gives me the same click-through bum's rush that got me to do the latest Moonlight download.
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Every single time I've decided to test something in moonlight, whether it be streaming hockey, streaming the Olympics, SIPSorcery, or this Tuva thing, never have I even gotten basic access to the service in question. In this case I had to grab Moonlight, then change my user agent to IE on Windows to even get a Silverlight app to load. Then it just hangs during startup.
The sole reason Moonlight exists is so that people who use Windows and Mac OS X can be scammed into thinking that Silverlight is cross-platfo
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But when I clicked the link to Project Tuva, I was redirected in this order:
- Sorry, Silverlight for your browser is not supported, to see the list of supported browser click <link>. I clicked.
- Get Microsoft Silverlight - Click to install. I clicked.
- Moonlight for Linux, a free plug-in.
I realized that Miguel is an idiot a long time, but I didn't know Moonlight is officially supported by MS. And I still don't know why.
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It's not. If you install moonlight from that link, then go back to the Project Tuva website, you get the same brush-off.
Microsoft isn't "supporting" Moonlight. They don't even use the word in their webpages. They just automatically redirect you if you try to install Silverlight on an unsupported platform.
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But when I clicked the link to Project Tuva, I was redirected in this order:
- Sorry, Silverlight for your browser is not supported, to see the list of supported browser click <link>. I clicked.
- Get Microsoft Silverlight - Click to install. I clicked.
- Moonlight for Linux, a free plug-in.
I realized that Miguel is an idiot a long time, but I didn't know Moonlight is officially supported by MS. And I still don't know why.
And were you then able to view the Feynman videos at Microsoft's Tuva site? No? Well, nobody is surprised. I tried and still got the "blah blah browser not supported" message (result with both Firefox and Chromium on 64bit Ubuntu).
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More to the point Flash has been around for.... EVER. If not for Flash being adopted would HTML5 have even been started (then abandoned)? Fuck no. Seriously the F/OSSies are getting out of control. "WE ARE THE BEST AT INNOVATION! HURBLEGARGALA!" they chant with shit running out of their mouths as they have complained about Flash forever and still have nothing to offer. Tell me, none of you could sack up and fill the niche? Doesn't that really throw all of the open source "I can just do it myself" attitude r
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Using HTML5 would limit it to a smaller subset of viewers than Silverlight.
Bull. Practically every platform in existence has a browser for it that can play the <video> tag. Silverlight works on 2 platforms only and it is proprietary to boot.
Re:Cry much? (Score:5, Informative)
What does FOSS have for a web framework that is a viable alternative to Silverlight or Flash?
What about HTML5 isn't viable?
More than that, how about not making it streaming-only? While I'd prefer a free codec, I can play pretty much anything in mplayer or VLC, if you give me a download URL (or a torrent). And these are things I'd want to keep around.
...that only works for Flash, and you all hate Flash too.
Well, it's tricky. In theory, I like Silverlight better than Flash, because Moonlight seems to be much more stable and complete than Gnash. But in practice, there actually is a native Flash player for Linux, and the nspluginwrapper crap isn't really worse than Flash in a 32-bit browser, which is all you get on Windows anyway -- whereas both Moonlight and Gnash only work on a ridiculously small subset of the Silverlight and Flash content out there.
Add to this the fact that the DRM in Silverlight does not work on Moonlight, so while this particular site might work, Netflix, for example, will not. So even if Moonlight was flawless, you'd still have content that requires the official Silverlight.
And if that wasn't enough, with the few videos I've watched, Moonlight didn't do anti-aliasing. I think Silverlight did, but I'm not sure. Flash does, and you better believe mplayer does.
having competing (albeit commercial) frameworks to choose from is a Good Thing[TM] IMHO.
Nope. Having multiple competing implementations is a Good Thing. Having multiple competing standards is a problem, especially when several of them are proprietary. I have no problem that IE exists, so long as we can develop to web standards and, with minimal hackery, have our websites work on all major browsers, including IE. I did have a problem when IE was the defacto standard.
Where's the FOSS alternative, and which major site's require me to use it for the best experience?
Erm, since when did we judge standards based on which ones we're forced to use? WTF makes you think that's a good criterion?
By that logic, the fact that so many apps force you to use Windows means Windows should be the standard, and people should stop bashing it, and nobody should complain if these Feynman lectures -- or, for that matter, our tax forms -- are Windows-only. (Right now, they're Flash-only, which is an improvement, but still retarded.)
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Sod off. There is no need for Silverlight in this case. The content should be on youtube for all to view.