See The Supermoon Tonight 102
watermark writes "About every 28 years a 'supermoon' occurs. This is when the moon's orbit is closest to earth at the same time as a full moon. Saturday night will be the biggest, brightest full moon you will see in the next 28 years."
The buzzkills at Space.com explain though that (For North Americans at least) you'll actually only be seeing a "waning gibbous moon," but it should still be spectacular.
No No No !!!!! It will be BARELY noticable (Score:4, Insightful)
Does anybody research these things?? It's not that THAT unusual. Slashdot is turning into Digg.
Do a Google search on "supermoon hype" and read the links!
Arrrggghhh
Re:No No No !!!!! It will be BARELY noticable (Score:5, Informative)
The best popular link I could find is from Phil Plait's "Bad Astronomy" blog:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/18/kryptonite-for-the-supermoon/ [discovermagazine.com]
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The best popular link I could find is from Phil Plait's "Bad Astronomy" blog:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/18/kryptonite-for-the-supermoon/ [discovermagazine.com]
Good old Bad Astronomy, love that site.
Gotta say, looking up at the full moon right now, clear skies, and sure, nice full moon, nothing visibly spectacular at all, beyond being a massive lump of rock in the sky. Nothing breeds contempt like familiarity.
And I do so hope /. does not become Digg.
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I will say that I noticed the moon looked exceptionally bright last night at around 11pm, when it was overhead, even if the supermoon thing isnt noticable (hadnt heard about it till now).
Could there have been any particular reason for that, or would it just have been because it was an exceptionally clear night?
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Re:No No No !!!!! It will be BARELY noticable (Score:5, Insightful)
Heh, this reminds me of when Mars came close back in `03.
http://www.v-r-a.org/ppp/Mars/Mars.htm [v-r-a.org]
Folks quickly started misquoting the prediction and saying that Mars would appear larger than the full moon to the naked eye. Websites started yelling at the space programs of the world to launch rockets, wanting to put men on Mars "while it was closer than the moon".
People believe anything these days.... Would anyone like to buy some anti-radiation pills? Only $800 a box.
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I have some magic moon dust to sell also.
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What about the summary was incorrect?
Specifically? That it's anything "Super". it's going to be quite ordinary...just a little bigger. when I use the adjective "super", I mean something extraordinary.
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Alright bunratty... you win... THIS time
(Thomas skulks off to his volcano hideaway)
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I'm picturing a paper sign on the door leading down to your parent's basement with the following scrawled in crayon:
"TOMMY'S VOLCANO HIDEAWAY!!! KEEP OUT!!! NO GIRLS ALLOWED (except Mom)!"
Yeah... and your point is....?
by the way, do you have still have my Boba Fett action figure you borrowed from me last week?
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aaand that's about as far as I need to read.
It's 14% larger than its smallest possible size. 1.4% larger than it was last month. There is absolutely nothing 'super' about this. You won't be able to tell the difference without a measuring device.
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I particularly like the "debunking" of the natural disasters, which amounts to "It can't be related to the supermoon since both tsunamis were when the moon was at apogee". Okay, then is it possible that something bad happens geologically when there is an apogee-syzygy?
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Not so special after all (Score:3)
Yeah, the last time this happened was as recently as 2008, according to the article. The moon was five miles closer than it will be today.
It appears this event happens every 3 years of so. Not that big a deal. Astronomy is fun but I like my boss's attitude, when he goes telescope-gazing: "My neighbor's wife walks around naked and never closes the curtains. That's where the real show is at." ;-)
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Re:No No No !!!!! It will be BARELY noticable (Score:4, Insightful)
Stupid things and mistakes are submitted to Slashdot on an hourly basis. Blame timothy for actually posting it to the front page.
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Stupid things and mistakes are submitted to Slashdot on an hourly basis. Blame timothy for actually posting it to the front page.
If I hadn't already posted to this story, you would get a mod point. (I have 11 left! woohoo!)
yes, I blame Timothy, not the original poster
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Does anybody research these things?? It's not that THAT unusual. Slashdot is turning into Digg. Do a Google search on "supermoon hype" and read the links!
Arrrggghhh
Practice what you preach perhaps? http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/16mar_supermoon/ [nasa.gov]
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Let's be more specific. It is absolutely true that the moon is (nearly) full at perigee. It is absolutely true that that doesn't happen every day. It is true that it may appear a bit larger (just a bit, most wouldn't notice without news hype).
All the other gloom, doom, and significant annoyances being warned about are complete bunk.
It's much more a geek thing (like pi day) than anything else which is why it DOES belong on /. As was pointed out at the bottom of the Bad Astronomy write-up:
But I’ll add that the Moon will actually be a bit closer than usual, and while you might not notice the size or brightness difference by eye, the full Moon is always a lovely and compelling sight in the sky. So I urge everyone to go out and take a look. And while you’re looking think on this: a dozen men have walked on the Moon, dozens of probes have been sent there, and the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is still snapping away, mapping our friendly satellite and taking dazzling images of its surface.
So there you go. Ha
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I don't get what it means when something turns into digg.
Crash (Score:1)
I was reading this in the newspaper a few days ago and it really does look bigger. Almost as if it might crash into us.
So the moon spins around us in an ellipsis, where it's closest to us at perigee and furthest at apogee. Apparently it's blamed for the tsunami [dailymail.co.uk].
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Apparently I meant farthest.
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So the moon spins around us in an ellipsis, where it's closest to us at perigee and furthest at apogee. Apparently it's blamed for the tsunami [dailymail.co.uk]
Well, if it's in the Daily Mail it *must* be true...
Actually, I'm not convinced that's the real Daily Mail. If it was, it would mention that the Japanese earthquake was caused by illegal benefit-scrounging immigrants to the UK, and that it stands a real chance of affecting house prices here. Oh yeah, and that we're all going to die from the 0.5cm-high remainder of the tsunami when it hits the UK and the only solution is this week's wonder food that'll let us all live to 179.
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Actually...the tides caused by the moon occur both in the water and the land (to a lesser extent) and do contribute to the energy (heat) and motion of the ground. This could, in principle, happen in such a way to act as a trigger as a fault teeters on the edge of movement. It could also act to enable small slippages, and relieve stresses before catastrophic events occur.
So don't be absolutely, categorically sure about something so complicated and interrelated. Even if you might, possibly, but not certai
It is pretty fucking certain... (Score:2)
Here's a clue: Moon orbits Earth (coming closer and then moving away again) EACH MONTH. [wikipedia.org]
So... Unless you are experiencing major earthquakes EACH MONTH at about the same time, but NOT during the rest of the month... There is no correlation whatsoever.
Bonus points for Moon actually being closer to its FURTHEST point in its orbit around the Earth (apogee) [discovermagazine.com] at the time of the recent earthquake in Japan.
Oh and... Take a look at this. [wikimedia.org]
Each pixel in that photo is about 500 kilometers. During this particular perigee M
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Yes, the moon reaches perigee once a month (well, actually 29.5 solar days). But it does not always do this when it is FULL. The lunar-phase cycle and the lunar-distance cycle are slightly different, so the two coincide much less often.
Furthermore, the moon is not the only thing that makes tides: the sun does it too. Solar tides are about half as big as lunar tides because the sun is much farther away. When the moon is either new or full, the sun, earth and moon form a straight line and we get the highest
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Oopsie, perigee not apogee.
rj
You do realize... (Score:2)
That the full Moon and any other Moon have the exactly same mass, gravitational pull etc.? We just don't see a part of it - it is still there.
Also, solar and lunar tides combined come out to about 5% increase in the tides [discovermagazine.com] - NOT "half as big as lunar tides".
When the moon is either new or full, the sun, earth and moon form a straight line and we get the highest (and lowest) tides: the effects of the sun and moon add up.
You DO realize that such conditions occur EVERY TWO WEEKS. [wikipedia.org]
So much for "the maximum possible tidal effect" and its correlation to earthquakes.
only rates a D as compared to Bill O'Reilly's F.
It wouldn't be fair of me to grade you at all. Clearly you didn't even take a look, let alone read, any of the fin
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Yes, the 3-body alignment occurs every two weeks...but it does not coincide with a lunar perigee every two weeks.
Yes, the full moon and any other moon have the same mass -- but only the full and new moons are in alignment to maximize the combination of solar and lunar tides.
And a perigee moon and an apogee moon have the same mass -- but not the same distance, and there's this little Newton gravitation thing that makes the moon gravity inversely proportional to the square of that distance.
Thus the coincidenc
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Apparently it's blamed for the tsunami [dailymail.co.uk].
Yeah, and everyone was blaming it on the earthquake. But it was the moon all along! And he would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for that meddling kids!
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Did you even read the article you linked to?
The author says the idea has been debunked, and even explains hoe a tsunmai is formed.
Nice rant, but for once, the Mail gets this one right
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Minor nit: you mean "ellipse", not "ellipsis". An ellipsis is three dots used as punctuation like this...
But I disagree that it will look "if it might crash into us". It will be reportedly 14% larger than it's smallest appearance (http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/03/what_the_hell_is_a_supermoon.php), or I'd guess about 7% larger than normal. Not sure if that's areal size or diameter. Most people probably won't be able to tell the difference.
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Woops.
I do that all the time with homophones.
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That wasn't an ellipsis, that was three periods. An ellipsis is this: â¦
(option-; on a Mac, though option-period would have made more sense.)
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Argh.. Should have hit preview. Nope, doesn't work HTML formatted either. D'oh.
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Apparently it's blamed for the tsunami.
Not likely. The tsunami (actually, the quake that caused it) occurred just over a week ago. The moon was nowhere near perigee then.
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Apparently it's blamed for the tsunami [dailymail.co.uk].
No it's not. I'm no fan of the Mail, but the headline "Did tonight's super moon cause Japan's tsunami?" leads to "And yet there is not a shred of evidence to support this."
That's no moon... (Score:2)
I'm kind of ashamed to be posting that meme, but at last it's somewhat appropriate.
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I'm kind of ashamed to be posting that meme, but at last it's somewhat appropriate.
Well, if that is a space ship, we're doomed.
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I did the calculations, and the volume of New Jerusalem that is described as descending to Earth toward the end of Revelation is roughly half the volume of the moon. Thus the "moon turning to blood" earlier in Revelation is, in fact, New Jerusalem breaking out of its lunar shell and beginning its descent through the atmosphere.
I for one will have my telescope setup (Score:3, Funny)
... and pointed at my sexy neighbor's window while everyone is distracted by the SuperMoon
Neil DeGrasse Tyson Says Otherwise... (Score:5, Informative)
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The difference between a 15 & 14-inch pizza.
A difference dwarfed by Moon illusion, twice a day... (if the sky is clear close to moonrise and moonset)
Even better: via binoculars, DSLR with appropriate lens, or a telescope.
Neil is missing the point (Score:2)
A supermoon occurs when the moon goes on a bender and accidentally puts on it's underwear on the outside.
It's been raining where I live so no supermoon. I did get to see the moon through clouds one night before and showed it to my 2 yr old son. I knew what Neil had written beforehand so I don't think I've missed anything but it still would have been a nice excuse to gaze up if the clouds weren't lousy!.
2008 was the fullest the moon had been in 15 years (Score:2)
December 12, 2008: Fullest Moon in 15 Years Tonight:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/12/fullest-moon-in/ [wired.com]
Time-Lapse of Moonset over the Colorado Rockies (Score:5, Interesting)
I may venture out at O-dark-30 to shoot it again this year to see if it truly looks any bigger.
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Very nice.
All the 'earthquake causing' arguments aside (Score:1)
28 years? (Score:2)
That was either
1) a typo
2) bad math
Option 1 is the less embarrassing one..
What now? (Score:1)
Up in the air! (Score:2)
Is this when the creepers get to eat? (Score:2)
Every 28 years, it gets to eat for 28 days?
In this part of North America (Score:2)
Different timezone (Score:1)
The last time I remember this... (Score:1)
When does it get cloudy in Kansas? (Score:2)
Not for Northern California, it won't! (Score:2)
Doubly whammy conspiring against my sleep (Score:2)
I woke up to the sound of a hailstorm at 3 or 4 AM. I went back to get some sleep, rolled over at 5 AM and the Moon was out. It just happened to be in the right position to be right in my eye. It was indeed very bright. I thought it might be twilight combined with the Moon, but I don't think we are having twilight at 5 AM yet.
I ended up sleeping in until 10:30.
So? (Score:2)
So, it's that bowl of chili and not the scary supermoon that's giving me gas?
aaaahhhoooooooo!!!!! (Score:2)
note to self: stay outta the bars.
Zap Mama (Score:2)
similar hype about Mars couple years back (Score:4)
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I'm looking at it now.
It looks suspiciously like every other full moon.
Which reminds of its depiction advertising Shrooms (Score:2)
Supermoon?!? (Score:2)
Picture of the difference (Score:1)
http://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2011/03/march-19-2011-super-full-moon.html [blogspot.com]
Both images were taken with the same lens, on during an "average" size full moon, the other yesterday. While indeed notably bigger yesterday in comparison, it really isn't that impressive in absolute terms...
By the way, contrary to the opening lines of the Topic Poster, it is about once each 18 years, not 28 years.
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By the way, contrary to the opening lines of the Topic Poster, it is about once each 18 years, not 28 years.