Large Hadron Collider is a Time Machine? 332
MistrX writes "If the latest theory of Tom Weiler and Chui Man Ho is right, the Large Hadron Collider – the world's largest atom smasher that started regular operation last year – could be the first machine capable causing matter to travel backwards in time."
Testable! (Score:5, Insightful)
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...and why couldn't I go back and not screw up my first-ever first post?
Because it's not going to be magic, it's just going to be a time machine.
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Re:Testable! (Score:5, Funny)
/. can't let you edit/delete your post, no matter when!
FTFY.
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Re:Testable! (Score:5, Funny)
It wioll haven be appearing again tomorrow, since the test performed yesterday is retroactively rescheduled for next week. Consult http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Dan_Streetmentioner [slashdot.org] for more grammar tips.
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Please repeat that in Past Conditional Didn't Happen Tense.
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"Yah, and monkeys will fly out of my butt."
Strangely, it would seem Wayne's World has this tense covered.
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My understanding is that languages such as German and Japanese have much more complicated verbs then English, though that is not to say that English verbs are in any way easy. Chinese on the other hand has no verb tenses. What are you considering as the second verb form, the addition of the le particle?
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It will have already soon
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All I know is that we need to just keep Scott Backula away from it.
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so that what triggering the earthquakes now days u (Score:2)
so that what triggering the earthquakes now days under ground time travel.
No paradoxes? (Score:5, Insightful)
FTFA:
"Because time travel is limited to these special particles, it is not possible for a man to travel back in time and murder one of his parents before he himself is born, for example. However, if scientists could control the production of Higgs singlets, they might be able to send messages to the past or future."
Send a message to a hitman saying "kill X and I will send you the results of any race horse of your choice". How's that for not being able to go back and kill your grandfather?
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My grandfather was dead before this machine was built you insensitive clod!
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Send a message to a hitman saying "kill X and I will send you the results of any race horse of your choice". How's that for not being able to go back and kill your grandfather?
Just hope that someone else doesn't send a message back in time to kill the horse.
The "Time Modem" (Score:3)
The only question is the bandwidth, and how many people have access to the channel. See here [homeunix.net].
Sending Info? (Score:2)
There is an aspect which I am curious about:
carrying information.
I have understood in some of the screwing-around-with-the-speed-of-light research that while they can make signals look like they are departing from the C speed limit, it turns out that no information is transferable in these unusual cases. (EG - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light#Phase_velocities_above_c [wikipedia.org] )
The differentiation between a headline saying 'X is faster than light!!1!' and info about actual signal transfer can be non-in
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Here's what I would do if I could send messages to the past:
I'd build a web proxy server that would store all sent http requests for a configuable period of time and then send them out to the internet at that time. Responses would then be sent back in time to me.
Given enough memory for storing my web requests, this would let me browse the web of the future. Sending messages to the future is merely storing them on the hard drive for later retrieval.
Anyway, I'd use my advantage to win the lotto, play the
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By killing X, there would be no need to send the message, hence no reason to send (or memory of promising to send) the results backwards, which means no incentive to ever do anything that someone in the future asks you to do based on a promise of future knowledge.
And nobody says that time is linear. We just don't know. We assume so, because of the way we perceive it (but we also only perceive it "forwards" and that might not be true either), but we don't know. Maybe it would create an instantaneous alter
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We don't understand how a single-celled amoeba works. I think we can leave the question of "where does extra-universal energy come from to create multiple alternate realities?" until we understand a bit more (like, say, where the energy comes from to create our universe?). Which is kinda my point. We don't know. But a paradox to *us* doesn't mean a paradox to physics.
And saying "energy" that many times in a paragraph without justifying how to measure it, the kind of it, or indeed the source of it smells
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Now I know it was in fact Higgs singlet messages being sent from the future!
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On top of that, we can ALREADY send messages to the future. In fact, we've been doing it for millenia... :-)
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Wait, wait, wait.
If it will be possible to send messages to the past, then in the future we would have managed it. That would mean we'd be receiving messages now (or who knows, hundreds of years ago) so we'd know they will succeed. As we're not receiving messages now, they mustn't have succeeded... or they must have decided not to use it. Or they're sending the messages but we don't have the tech to decode them. :-)
Hmm, I wonder if they can send a message to Japan in 2000 to tell them to decommission Fuk
Re:No paradoxes? (Score:5, Funny)
I bet he would be far more interested to know about the results of the horse race than the results of the race horse.
It's already happening! I could swear I typed the word 'horse' before I typed 'race'...
In which races will this horse win, place, or show (Score:2)
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Are there some races in which you can bet the finishing position of any horse, not just bet on the winner?
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I thought so. So that pretty much answers the question... if you had some way of knowing that the horse is finishing 3rd in this race, you just place your bet on that.
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winning super lotto numbers would be easier to send and cause a larger ripple.
Winner X now has to share winnings with false winner Y, money used will not go the same paths and changes will ripple out. Winner Y's changes would have never happened and ripple could be HUGE if the money was used to change a dramatic event, or tiny if the money was used to buy massive amounts of coke and hookers.
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Let's say you wanted to invest in a race horse.......
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More like because it wouldn't really be "travelling back in time", it would (if it worked) be spawning different realities, or communicating with already existing realities which are separate from our own. Slightly creepy, and also it doesn't seem that plausible. Not that it's impossible..
Re:No paradoxes? (Score:5, Funny)
That's all we need. Fucking Anonymous forkbombing the universe.
What could possibly go wrong?
Stupid idiot (Score:2)
Am I the only one (Score:4, Insightful)
Am I the only one who gets absolutely frustrated that people are still proposing the possibility of time-travel?
This is why I can't party with my theoretical physicist friends anymore.
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Am I the only one who gets absolutely frustrated that people are still proposing the possibility of time-travel?
This is why I can't party with my theoretical physicist friends anymore.
I am a time traveller... I am moving into the future at a speed of one second per second.
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I am a time traveller... I am moving into the future at a speed of one second per second.
I shall have you know that I am travelling into the future at the astounding rate of no less than sixty seconds every minute.
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I have a theory that any theory which allows for time travel will be proven wrong. For example, general relativity allows for time travel, but requires negative mass-energy. We're know general relativity is mostly right, so negative mass-energy, being the larger assumption, is probably wrong.
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Am I the only one who gets absolutely frustrated that people are still proposing the possibility of time-travel?
This is why I can't party with my theoretical physicist friends anymore.
So stop partying with theoretical physicists who know all the possible scenarios where time-travel is possible, and start partying with engineers who know it's next to impossible to us to apply those scenarios.
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The short of it - there are no possible scenarios.
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We can time-travel today. Relativity says so. And we compensate for it already, too.
The downside is that we can only go in one direction - forward. There's two ways to do it - get really close to a gravity well (GPS satellites intentionally "run fast" because of this - time ticks slower the further away you get from a gravity well), or really, just move (though you have to go really, really, reall
Offtopic? Really? (Score:2)
Why does time travel have to involve paradox? (Score:3)
Cavuto (Score:2)
Ah, a headline that is a question. Classic Cavuto move.
Can't remember who said this...
"If the answer to your headline can be summarized as 'No', then don't print it."
-d
Hasn't Been Said Yet (Score:2)
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Can't remember who said this...
John Stewart?
Pseudo science FTW! (Score:3)
Sigh.... I do LIKE imaginative thinking. Something that is lost with most scientists... but please be careful with what you say.
Time is one of the LEAST understood concepts. I think we've let science fiction be our guide on our understanding of time.... and... cough... I think it's "time" for that to stop.
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Be careful with the term, please. Not saying you're wrong, just be careful.
First Post! (Score:2)
88mph? (Score:5, Funny)
Is it really so difficult to get the atoms up to 88 miles per hour?
Anything like this in Sci-Fi? (Score:2)
Anyone know of any Sci-Fi where people are freely able to send messages across time? It would require a multiverse to avoid violating causality, similar to the John Titor story, and it would be impossible to send messages to any time before the machine was powered on. Imagine if you could email yourself or others across time by relaying an email through a "temporal router." What a crazy world that would be.
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Actually, I just wrote a comment about it here [slashdot.org].
Avoids paradoxes? Yeah... right. (Score:2)
"One of the attractive things about this approach to time travel is that it avoids all the big paradoxes," Weiler said. "Because time travel is limited to these special particles, it is not possible for a man to travel back in time and murder one of his parents before he himself is born, for example. However, if scientists could control the production of Higgs singlets, they might be able to send messages to the past or future."
How does this avoid paradoxes? A scientist sends a message back in time "Kill my father". Past performs the deed. Paradox opened.
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Hitman acts on message from "man from the future". Kills someone. That someone never has a child. That child never sent the message back. Hitman still claims that he received the message until the day he dies.
A paradox only occurs if you believe time is linear. What if time bifurcates at every decision, as some philosophers/scientists have posited? Then the "you" that sent the message wasn't the "you" that was never born, hence it's still valid and the hitman still *received* the message to act on, ev
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That last thing happens from time to time. Some loony kills a guy in defence of it being an message from the future.
Does that mean that it works?
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Was just about to ask the same question. Had it half way typed out and saw this one sitting right at the bottom.
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TimeMachine...TimeTravel (Score:2)
Ain't possible.
It may produce events that represent possible/probable past events. A representation of past events is not TimeTravel.
where was the buzz generated? (Score:2)
The article says:
They did indeed post it [arxiv.org] in 2007. But where was the buzz generated? As far as I can tell, that paper has never been cited, not even in another arXiv preprint. I can't even find evidence of it being discussed on mailing lists or blogs, at least anything [google.com] Google knows [google.com] about, prior to the current bit of public
Yawn (Score:3)
M-Theory for morons (Score:2)
Be a real man, woman, or pre-op tranny and buy the "No Stinkin Higgs" t-shirt (http://bit.ly/GEMtshirt) that predicts, well, that they will not find the Higgs or some time-traveling singlet.
Doug
http://visualphysics
Incoming problems (Score:2)
Sweet Pic (Score:2)
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It's true! (Score:2)
I can believe it. It certainly looks like Tom Weiler has traveled back in time, seeing that sweater tied around his neck.
Another paradox (Score:2)
About sending information back in time...
To paraphrase Fermi,
If this theory is true, why haven't we done so already?
Timeline has already been Tinkered with (Score:2)
Someone is tinkering with the timeline. And it's someone from a period +- 50 yrs Current time. They're trying to produce outcomes that bear on our current geopolitical status. There are changes embedded in ancient periods:
The mother culture of Central America:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2001/caraltrans.shtml [bbc.co.uk]
Massive civilization in Amazonian Basin:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/11/081119-lost-cities-amazon.html [nationalgeographic.com]
There are better-known examples closer to Europe, and more modern: the A
Time Quake nearing!? (Score:2)
Oh fabulous.... (Score:3)
To The Future (Score:3)
Dear Descendant,
Please send me an email from the future describing how I can solve my current financial distress.
P.S. I will set up a trust fund for you if you do this.
Regards,
Your Ancestor
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Well, their complete disregard for the "Watch for falling rocks" sign on the Yucatan peninsula is pretty strong evidence.
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How many neutrinos went through our planet before we built detectors capable of noticing an insignificant fraction of them?
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What does a receiver look like for this kind of message?
Oh I dunno, something like this [wikipedia.org]?
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Depends if we already have a means for reading the messages or not. If the multiple universes concept is correct then I guess we'd probably be getting an infinite number of messages though.. might be kind of hard to read such a message. Maybe we already are getting an infinity of such messages in our background radiation.. [insert further stupid idea here]
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Maybe someone got a message. (Score:2)
Who are the people who made out like bandits in the 2008 crash?
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*sigh* Can you *please* just play along with them on this? They came up with the theory to explain to their wives how porn mags got into their desks. ("Must have been some pranksters that sent them back in time!")
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Bill DeSmedt wrote about the possibility of sending message to the past in his book Singularity [amazon.com]. An interesting take where the messages sent to the past directly lead to the future from where the messages could be sent. It kind of implies that neither the past nor future can be changed but cause and effect are not bound by time.
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So now the Universe houses both timelines? Because I assume that the person sending the message - and his Universe along with him - doesn't just disappear after sending the message?
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Quantum theory seems to imply that they aren't parallel, but branching. And they are branching all the time.
N.B.: This is one variation of the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum theory. So far there's no evidence that it's the correct interpretation, as up until now the ability to send messages between lines was not believed to exist. This theory, however, seems to say that it does. (I'm filling in a bunch of ignorance with guesses here!) If this is so, then we need to figure out both how to send a
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I wonder if quantum entanglement could allow for information to be exchanged between branches. Or is that like setting a local variable in one block, and trying to reference it when it's out of scope? Interesting to think about. I would think that the possibility existing of pasts being altered means that it has already happened. How strange would that be, if our direct memories are continuously being altered.
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But boy you could utterly screw up the timeline by simply piping twitters' raw feed back in time.
Want to see fragmentation??!?! I'll show you fragmentation!
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No, because if you keep doing it, eventually some future will hit YOUR timeline, and you get a message from a different future?
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But that creates a paradox.
You sent the message, you received the message but did not act on the message and therefore you never sent the message so you would never have received the message to ignore and not send the......AAAAAAGH!
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time in YOUR dimension is linear.. Stop forcing your assumptions on the universe!
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You mean this one [slashdot.org] posted 10 minutes before you? Hello McFly!!
Unless it was posted from the future... nevermind...
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Actually, not really. This type of time-travel (well, information being sent through time) requires that the past civilization have developed a receiver/method to detect the messages from the future. If we developed the technology to send messages back in time using this method next week, we wouldn't be able to receive the messages until next week because right now we don't have anything set up to receive the messages.
So lets design a machine capable of receiving information now, and hope that it starts to get messages?
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Gah, wasn't signed in for making this comment. Drats :/
it's all good. It kept you from being associated with the following comment where you the whole thing:
Your argument is rather like saying that the TV show Big Bang Theory (or any TV show for that matter) because you don't have a TV.
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