Skin-Tight Bodysuits Could Protect Astronauts From Bone Loss 158
jamie passes along a report about research from MIT's Man-Vehicle Laboratory into using "superhero-style" skinsuits to combat the effects of extended stays in microgravity on bone density in astronauts. (Abstract.) Quoting:
"Astronauts lose 1 to 2 percent of their bone mass for each month they spend in space. As far back as the Gemini missions, conditioning exercise regimes have been used to slow the rate of bone loss, but a 2001-2004 NASA-sponsored study showed that crew members aboard the International Space Station were still losing up to 2.7 percent of their interior bone material and 1.7 percent of outer hipbone material for each month they spent in space. ... With stirrups that loop around the feet, the elastic gravity skinsuit is purposely cut too short for the astronaut so that it stretches when put on — pulling the wearer's shoulders towards the feet. In normal gravity conditions on Earth, a human's legs bear more weight than the torso. Because the suit's legs stretch more than the torso section, the wearer's legs are subjected to a greater force — replicating gravity effects on Earth."
See? Seven of Nine's outfit was inspired by science after all.
Is it just me... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Is it just me... (Score:5, Insightful)
I know that it would prevent losing my own bone, if they get these skintight outfits on... suitable female astronauts...
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Suitable = slightly on the skinny side? :) (Score:2)
There is one somewhat related EVA suit, too: http://mvl.mit.edu/EVA/biosuit/index.html [mit.edu]
The bottom line seems to be: since some...tissues can't really maintain shape when put under mechanical pressure (what those tight suits are about), this means big breasts seem to be destined to die out, confined to this planet.
Mwuahahaha.
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the suits are about pressure on hips and shoulders, has nothing to do with said pressure on the chest.
boobs live on.
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The suits from this story, maybe (hey, who knows to where the idea will lead in the end?) but not biosuit I linked to - it needs uniform mechanical pressure and non-extending lines on the skin. Anything too...wobbly and it's a no go, apparently.
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Suitable or not, I'd still take females. Men in tights do not look good. Ever.
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Mel Brooks may argue [imdb.com] with you
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My girlfriend, who is a huge wrestling fan, would beg to differ. :>
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I don't necessarily object to men in tights, but why did they have to give the transparent suit to a man?
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Speak for yourself. I wear tights to spin class.
Skintight outfits . . . (Score:2)
The publicity photo reminds me of Monty Python's Trim Jeans sketch, somehow.
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Well, at least it's better than astronauts wearing diapers...
Skinsuit eh? (Score:3, Funny)
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Some of us would also like them more often to be females.
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I have never seen a non-sexy astronaut.
that's not all (Score:4, Funny)
thank you, thanks...I'll be here all week.
Barbarella had it right (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Barbarella had it right (Score:5, Insightful)
story: skin tight astronaut suits
guys born 1940-1960: snarky barbarella jokes
guys born 1960-1980: snarky seven of nine jokes
guys born 1980-2000: what's an astronaut? what's NASA? we landed on the moon? really?
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Shouldn't there be at least a decade of Princess Leia in there?
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Shouldn't there be at least a decade of Princess Leia in there?
Only when they release a study showing that bikinis in zero gravity improves red blood cell counts.
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and there is leela in futurama
and we also forgot erin gray's skin tight outfit in buck rogers
"biddi-biddi-biddi. you morons"
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And Aeryn Sun's black leather outfit in Farscape.
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and aeon flux
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Bodysuit dude, not bikini suit, leather vest, party dress or military fatigues.
So no Leya, no Lt Col Carter, no Teyla and no Cylons either.
Though a bit of Vala Mal Doran may fit the bill.
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I disagree! I remember having dirty thoughts about Seven of Nine when voyager was airing, and I was born in 1985!
Skin-Tight Bodysuits (Score:2, Funny)
Star Trek has known this for years.
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damn! Next you'll be telling us that all scientific, pilot, research, weapons, and EVA roles would be perfectly suited to 16 year old sons of medical staff.
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No, the only role for that one is on the far side of an air lock.
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Now we just need to convince them to start using decon-gel [startrek.com]. Think of the ratings NASA.
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I always wondered why 7of9 had to run around in this tight leotards. Finally, a scientific explanation!
The Borg assimilated spandex early on.
Resistance is futile. You will be asshumiliated. Wait, did I pronounce that correctly...?
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Yes, which is why I put the word "facts" in quotes.
If movies have tought me anything. (Score:5, Funny)
But can they be made out of (Score:2)
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You mean, Velour? Although I guess it does take Valour to make comments on /. sometimes.
no - Re:But can they be made out of (Score:2)
velour [wikipedia.org] excerpt: According to costumer designer William Blackburn, the uniforms on Star Trek: The Original Series were made of velour. They were always riding up on the actors, and what came to be known as "Command Gold" was originally "Command Green", but the green velour became varying shades of yellow and light greens under the studio lights.
Just for fun, I was surprised to see velour has been around for a while:
history [textilesindepth.com]Velour was invented in 1844 in Lyons (France). The word "Velour" is
Wearing it to sleep (Score:2)
The article mentions wearing it in your sleep, but is that really necessary? I know I personally don't sleep standing up, so there's probably very little force-of-gravity effects on my legs.
It could be an issue if it's overly difficult to put on however, as that isn't mentioned.
Re:Wearing it to sleep (Score:5, Informative)
Or it could be that it isn't as effective as gravity, so to give it an extra bump, the extra 8 hours are needed.
Re:Wearing it to sleep (Score:4, Interesting)
If that's the reason it brings up other concerns. In particular the 'taller in the morning that at night syndrome'.
Eg, it's natural for the human body to contract during the day and expand at night. Who knows what the long term effects of not doing this for an extended period of time are. I could see this as being either good or bad
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Of course, those other concerns are already disrupted in 0g as is...
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You know who I'd ask a question like that? NASA SCIENTISTS! They study crap like that, and even make nifty apparel using the information they've discovered. If anybody knows, they do...
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The article mentions wearing it in your sleep, but is that really necessary?
Wearing the suit to sleep is solely to curb the opportunity for adolescent pranks like swapping the Captain's suit to one with a higher elastic coefficient and watching his limbs collapse like a dead bug.
Sounds damned uncomfortable. (Score:2)
n/t
Re:Sounds damned uncomfortable. (Score:4, Insightful)
sounds damned uncomfortable
Probably less uncomfortable than having paperweight bones with serious fracture risks
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Unless they cut it wrong & it gives you a wedgie. I can see the observation tapes now --- 6 months of an astronaut picking their body-stocking out of their ass.
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Read Packing for Mars [maryroach.net] by Mary Roach. Astronauts pick their asses all the time. One of the hardest things about living in zero G is trying to take a decent shit.
Should be phrased better. (Score:2)
"Dude! What happened to your bones?"
'Lost them.'
Wilma Deering (Score:3, Funny)
My first thought is that this completely explains and legitimizes Col. Wilma Deering's wardrobe...
then I realized this also went for Cmdr. Rogers' and I threw up in my mouth a little.
Evangelion Plugsuit (Score:5, Funny)
Except instead of Rei or Asuka you get Buzz Aldrin... the future is a terrifying place children...
Re:Evangelion Plugsuit (Score:4, Insightful)
He can wear whatever he likes.
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Except instead of Rei or Asuka you get Buzz Aldrin... the future is a terrifying place children...
And in space, no one can hear you scream...
That does make it easier to appear polite, though. Just be sure not to pantomime your screaming, then switch the mike back on. "Hello sir, nice to meet you."
Apollo 13, this is Houston, be advised you're on VOX, we heard everything you just said... $#!%.
7 of 9 (Score:2)
See? Seven of Nine's outfit was inspired by science after all.
Yes, but it was inspired by reproductive science.
Hotness is questionable... (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.google.ca/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1424&bih=719&q=female+astronauts [google.ca]
Re:Hotness is questionable... (Score:5, Insightful)
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
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He's just still in the phase where you drool over 18yo blonde supermodels. Not that they're not pretty to look at, but looking that good is a full time job and you'd probably go crazy with all the health/fitness/makeup/styling/wardrobe/diet/anorexia/whatever stuff they do if you actually lived with one. Not that I'd turn any of them down...
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Don't knock it if he can get them to stay there while he is drooling over them.
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Seemingly cute, too... [wikimedia.org]
(I am not the only one thinking "ze german villain and his accomplice" at the above, right? Anyway, certainly nothing better than to be such villain and have such accomplice)
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Dude, after enough time in space to cause bone loss you'd fuck anything that moves.
Lost in Space? Gemini? (Score:2)
Its funny that this type of thing has been in Sci-Fi movies and television shows for decades, and I am thinking that even the original Gemini suits were somewhat form-fitting, and yet we are just now starting to look at the possibility of using these for real
Multi-prong approach (Score:5, Interesting)
Suits + exercise should both be used. But if you look at the physiology of bone, it's easy to see why both won't be enough. Bone is continually being destroyed and rebuilt by your body. The proportion of destruction to construction is controlled by stress (ignoring hormones and blood chemistry for the moment).
Gravity puts stress on your bones even when you lay down. Even in water. Any bit of movement magnifies it. Exercise in space is meant to substitute for this continual stress, but can't provide for continual, low level stress. These suits provide continual, low level stress to the skeleton. But it's still not the same.
Low level plus high level stress work great together. This is why some schools encourage kids to jump up and down, hard, to strengthen bones by including some high stress each day. But exercise and suits in space won't provide the same level to the entire skeleton that even a few hops on Earth plus a day of video games will.
There is one more technology used on Earth to selectively strengthen bones. Maybe it can provide the final missing stress. It turns out sound waves stress bone too. Audible sound would be too loud. But ultrasound is commonly used to accelerate bone healing and strengthening. It's not inconceivable that the skin tight suit could incorporate PVDF sheets that could transmit ultrasound into an astronaut's bones, applying it to understressed areas. It could even work as a cap to reduce bone loss in the skull.
Or just build a big 'ol hamster wheel.
Color Choices (Score:2)
One step closer to (Score:2)
Thus, NASA is one step closer to creating
Zero
Suit
Samus (!)
I Can Hear it Now (Score:2)
Skin-Tight Bodysuits Could Protect Astronauts From Bone Loss
"You're going out into space wearing that?!
Why not rotate the station to simulate gravity? (Score:3, Interesting)
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It would make docking somewhat difficult, to say the least.
Re:Why not rotate the station to simulate gravity? (Score:5, Informative)
It's a good idea for the health of the astronauts, but the cost is prohibitive. Science fiction authors don't have to deal with the budgetary process...
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Re:Why not rotate the station to simulate gravity? (Score:5, Informative)
As has been mentioned a few times earlier, there are several reasons.
Or, they could put the astronauts in small spandex suits and swap them out every few months to recover. It's not as if staying on the ISS is a permanent position (yet), after all.
would it work in reverse? (Score:3, Funny)
or should us "big boned" people just become astronauts?
7 / 9 (Score:2)
That was a suit? I thought it was painted on?
Wonder if this suit could help osteoporosis sufferers?
Legitimate reason for Battlestar Galactica... (Score:2)
Now their will be a legitimate reason for the Battlestar Galactica characters to where skin-tight uniforms in the new Syfy series. Tighten the suits and water down the writing. :( All in the quest to prevent bone density loss.
MINE (Score:2)
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You and every sci-fi illustrator of the 40s and 50s, yes.
The Russians have been doing this for a decade (Score:2)
Really? TF! (Score:2, Insightful)
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A for a traveling spaceship this could be useful. However, for the space station, most of the stuff we do is experiments in zero-gravity which couldn't be done if we're spinning it to simulate gravity.
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stupidity and bad engineering to create a long duration space station with no simply ring design for rotation and simulated gravity.
It's a not an easy thing to do. Particularly when viewed in terms of a man-rated piece of space habitat.
Adding a rotating ring/arm/etc presents multiple serious issues, among which are safety (many tons moving experiencing a sudden mechanical lock/freeze-up can tear things apart), engineering challenges both known and yet to be discovered that haven't been developed for as yet,
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Problem is, we're not really at that scale yet. Takes a pretty big station to achieve a reasonable gravity with spin.
Re:rotate the station. (Score:5, Insightful)
A) Cost a fuckload of money.
B) Be completely impractical to get into space and install
C) Not work anyway.
I find it funny that every Tom, Dick, and Harry without a high school education thinks that they're a brilliant engineer whenever they read about some problem that hundreds of experienced engineers couldn't solve. Seriously, take ten seconds and go google your idea BEFORE touting it as the magical solution that all of these foolish NASA engineers didn't think of.
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You've no understanding of history. Wizards come from out of the shadows all the time. You don't NEED a PHd to create magic. It just makes you l
Re:rotate the station. (Score:5, Informative)
I find it funny that every Tom, Dick, and Harry without a high school education thinks that they're a brilliant engineer whenever they read about some problem that hundreds of experienced engineers couldn't solve. Seriously, take ten seconds and go google your idea BEFORE touting it as the magical solution that all of these foolish NASA engineers didn't think of.
"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."
— Arthur C(harles) Clarke
"Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly impossible. "
— Simon Newcomb
"Radio has no future."
- Lord Kelvin, British mathematician and physicist.
"While theoretically and technically television may be feasible, commercially and financially I consider it an impossibility, a development of which we need waste little time dreaming."
- Lee DeForest, American radio pioneer, 1926.
"Well informed people know it is impossible to transmit the voice over wires and that were it possible to do so, the thing would be of no practical value."
- Editorial in the Boston Post, 1865
"This `telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a practical form of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us. "
- Western Union internal memo, 1878
"What can be more palpably absurd than the prospect held out of locomotives travelling twice as fast as stagecoaches? "
- The Quarterly Review, England (March 1825)
"Rail travel at high speed is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia."
- Dr. Dionysus Lardner (1793-1859)
"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value."
- Marshal Ferdinand Foch
"It is an idle dream to imagine that automobiles will take the place of railways in the long distance movement of passengers."
- American Railroad Congress, 1913
"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home."
- Ken Olson, President of Digital Corporation, 1977
"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
- Popular Mechanics, 1949
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
- Thomas J. Watson Snr., IBM Chairman, 1943
"There is no hope for the fanciful idea of reaching the Moon because of insurmountable barriers to escaping the Earth's gravity."
- Dr. Forest Ray Moulton, University of Chicago astronomer, 1932.
"Louis Pasteur’s theory of germs is a ridiculous fiction."
- Pierre Pachet Professor Physiology, Toulouse, 1872
"‘With regard to the electric light, much has been said for and against it, but I think I may say without contradiction that when the Paris Exhibition closes, electric light will close with it, and no more will be heard of it.’"
- Erasmus Wilson Oxford University professor, 1878
"The so-called theories of Einstein are merely the ravings of a mind polluted with liberal, democratic nonsense which is utterly unacceptable to German men of science."
- Dr. Walter Gross, 1940
On Nuclear Power, "any one who expects a source of power from the transformation of these atoms is talking moonshine... "
- Ernest Rutherford (1933)
"X-rays are a hoax. "
- Lord Kelvin, ca. 1900
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One notes that after 1940, the real scientists disappear from your list, and you're left with literally the head of the Nazi eugenics program (btw, he had an MD, not a Ph.D. as you oh-so-subtly imply) and two businessmen who were of course speaking only about the current market. It is interesting...
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(btw, he had an MD, not a Ph.D. as you oh-so-subtly imply)
So he had an MD, we can then assume he had made it through high school (which is what I was oh so subtly replying to)
One notes that after 1940, the real scientists disappear from your list,
The list is not mine, but stolen off the internet. However, it would only make sense as we get closer to the present there are fewer notable quotes as what "scientist" laugh at haven't been invented yet. But 100 years from now I'm sure we will have plenty of quotes from 1940 to present with "experts" telling us about the "impossible".
If a scientist was quoted today as saying, "We will n
ALL out of context and most just to fend off scams (Score:3, Informative)
"Cold Fusion" should be changed to "Cold Fusion the way Ponds and Fleischman" said it can happen.
Anti-gravity stands until we REALLY know how gravity works instead of just watching what it does. Trivial anti-gravity devices such as rope, elevators and helicopters etc are exempt.
As for electronic telepathy, once again WTF is telepathy? There is no answer right or wrong to examples of such a device and it could even be argued that we have such a thing now with radio, microphone
not "impossible" but "impractical" (Score:2)
nobody said that using rotations to simulate gravity is impossible. It's just not practical today.
today, it's still simpler and cheaper to just put a spandex suit on a couple of astronauts rather than tackling the huge amount of engineering and incredible costs of building mega structures with gigantic rotating rings in space. Even if one day, probably this will be the best solution.
just as, in some point of time, cracking a match and lighting a candle was a much simple solution than tackling all the logist
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He gives a couple reasons why it would be impractical and then states, that it would "Not work anyway." (i.e. detailed list of reason "C" )
Besides, my post (which quoted what I was replying to) was only in response to the how the parent thought it was funny that someone that wasn't an engineer would even bother to try and have an idea.
Einstein being the first to pop into my head.
He wrote "The Investigation of the State of Aether in Magnetic Fields" during the time he dro
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Adding a rotating portion to the station would be introducing a gyroscope. Doing so would be problematic.
Take a bicycle wheel, spin it on its axis and then try to tilt it.
How much fuel are you willing to spend to keep the station oriented the right way?
How much mechanicals are you willing to spend money on to steer the solar panels if you aren't going to be using thrusters to orient the whole station?
How big is your budget? Funding isn't unlimited. You need to make choices. If you go with a rotating sec
Re:rotate the station. (Score:4, Insightful)
We can't afford to send much material up there, space stations have to be fairly small with sections having diameters of maybe 3-4 meters, you cannot make a centrifuge out of that.
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Maybe the Minbari will help fund it.
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fair enough if it wasn't designed for rotation, but there's no reason a ring couldn't be tacked on at a later date - probably when there's enough incentive to pay for the construction of one (it'd be quite expensive, not just for the rotating coupling with the rest of the station, but for the cost of 2 struts to connect the pods at the end of the arms to the hub, and the living quarter pods themselves. (I assume counter-rotating pods at the end of 2 arms would be a lot cheaper than a full ring)
Also you don'
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