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LHC Spies Hints of Infant Universe 311

techbeat writes "The big bang machine may already be living up to its nickname, writes New Scientist. Researchers on the Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS) experiment at CERN's Large Hadron Collider near Geneva, Switzerland, have seen hints of what may be the hot, dense state of matter thought to have filled the universe in its first nanoseconds."
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LHC Spies Hints of Infant Universe

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  • Quark gluon plasma? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jmizrahi ( 1409493 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2010 @05:07PM (#33655720)
    The article seems to say that sufficiently high energy density results in free quarks. I was under the impression that the theory of the strong nuclear force demanded that all observable particles are "colorless," i.e. quarks are never free, but only appear in colorless combinations of mesons and hadrons. Could someone more knowledgeable clarify whether this phenomenon is a violation of the "nature is colorless" law, or whether the article simply does a poor job of explaining a quark-gluon plasma?
  • by kesuki ( 321456 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2010 @07:03PM (#33656694) Journal

    i believe we were created. i am considered 'smart' by some. i know that i am important. i believe i am made immortal by jesus. i still believe in laws however, just as long as i don't make them and they aren't hundreds of lines of worthless text. i know a lot more now than i did before. i am having fun here again. and what is wrong living like the world hasn't moved on if you can afford it? the power bill? your children repeating mistakes?

    i like technology. hackers were finding me anyways, so posting to /. is not as bad as it seems. i know now how hard the fight for freedom really is.

  • by MokuMokuRyoushi ( 1701196 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2010 @07:58PM (#33657244) Journal

    Interestingly contrary to what you've posted, the more I read the Bible, and the more I learn from science and history, the more they seem to join and support the other. The commonly joked "6000 year old Earth", for instance, isn't supported by well translated Bibles(I use one is called the "recovery version"). The KJV used to(I'm not sure, it may still) say, in Genesis 1:1-2, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty..."

    That wouldn't make sense though - the Hebrew there translated as "was" is later in Genesis translated as "became". Besides, in Job it says explicitly that God didn't create the earth as a formless ball. Obviously, that "was" should be a "became". Now it reads, "Now the earth became formless and empty..." . So, after the first verse of the Bible, and before the second, something monumental has happened, and now the earth is a wasteland. It explains in Job, I can't remember the chapter, but even if I could I wouldn't try to post the whole chapter, so I'll find it later and post it for curious minds. In any case, time would seem to have passed between God's creating the earth, and His restoration of it(which is described in the first chapter of Genesis), along with the creation of men. And a lot of it.

    You'll find a lot of discrepancies between the common beliefs of the Bible, and the actual text. Even then you'll find discrepancies between what the text was intended to communicate, and what the translators didn't understand and decided to substitute(I believe the KJV also sometimes mentions unicorns, where the Bible reads "ox"). If you wanted to find the difference between the two(though you don't sound like the fellow who would decide to), I'd advise finding a Bible translated as directly as possible. The recovery version I mentioned above is very handy for that, and has excellent footnotes for when one is lost.

    With that said - I believe into the Lord Jesus Christ, and His eternal spiritual capacities. I also believe the earth is however old carbon dating states it to be(though the technique isn't always reliable, I hear).

  • by nitehawk214 ( 222219 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2010 @08:34PM (#33657508)

    Not if you build it at high enough latitude!

    Or better yet... in space!

    Honestly I think this is a good idea. If you can design it such that you don't need to have the ring completely enclosed, it would work great.

  • by MokuMokuRyoushi ( 1701196 ) on Tuesday September 21, 2010 @10:28PM (#33658328) Journal

    Ah, Raenex. We meet again.

    First of all, I don't see why an entity that created a universe can't grow a human from a rib. It's strange that you questioned that particular episode in the Bible; was there a particular reason behind that, by the way? As for the Ark, the conceptual build is apparently seaworthy []. So far, no problems. Though I'll understand if you reject my first answer out of hand.

    The Bible is the "straight dope". I don't see where you're coming from on that point - clarify for me please? As for the translation issues, that's a moot point. You and I know full well that English had no presence at the time of writing, and wouldn't have been worth much to the people of the time. If it's communication errors/mistranslations/lost or dropped meanings and texts thing you're worried about, I think God, being who He is, will be(has been) able to get His point across and steer His letter to humans clear of destruction. He's pretty good at that. You'll notice that, despite the many attempts to rid the world of Bibles, it always seems to reappear(much like Israel - I believe it's the only country to be destroyed/dissolved and reform, ever). Alright, questions answered, and more besides. Have you more?

  • by geschild ( 43455 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @06:49AM (#33660224) Homepage

    "What if the person/people who started our universe were just a bunch of scientists in their universe?"

    Worse, what if our universe is one of a bunch of test-tubes in the drawer of some spotty-faced alien kid? Part of last years science project, now long forgotten about?

    What if her mother walks in in a few minutes, finds it and cleanes it out... Will we even realise that our universe ends, never mind how or why?

    (The kicker: religious people objecting to the fact that I had to make the alien kid female :P)

  • by allcoolnameswheretak ( 1102727 ) on Wednesday September 22, 2010 @08:26AM (#33660688)

    Perhaps. But this begs the question of what came first. The LHC or the universe?

Never tell people how to do things. Tell them WHAT to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. -- Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.