Shuttle Atlantis Lands Safely After Final Official Mission 125
saintory writes "Shuttle Atlantis landed this morning after flying its final official mission. In its 25-year service, the shuttle Atlantis has logged over 120 million miles." After a successful mission to deliver a research module to the International Space Station, the craft landed at Kennedy Space Center, and will "go through the normal flow of prelaunch preparations in order to serve as the 'launch-on-need' vehicle for Endeavour's STS-134 mission, the last scheduled flight of the Space Shuttle Program." Congratulations to the people aboard and on the ground who engineered the shuttle's successful return.
Welcome home. (Score:5, Insightful)
Thank you for your years of service, Atlantis. You will be forever remembered :( Billions in bank bailouts, billions in healthcare....but ~$20 billion for NASA? Out of the question!
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For the record, I'd like to thank the shuttle crews for their years of service as well.
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Fun fact: the shuttle bay doors are only designed to be opened in space. If opened on earth their own weight would rip the hinges apart. During inspection the doors a
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They're exaggerating. Removing and replacing every inch of wire is a job that would take over a year.
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They're exaggerating. Removing and replacing every inch of wire is a job that would take over a year.
That is true. Just the same, all wiring does get visually inspected and miles of wiring is removed and reinstalled/replaced after each flight. Likewise, large chunks of the shuttle's engines are also disassembled, inspected, repaired, and reassembled. Removal of large spans of wiring was instituted after it was discovered visual inspection alone had allowed worn wiring insulation to get past many rounds of visual inspections.
The shuttles are literally considered one of the most advanced engineering feats by
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I'll grant the inspection, but not the removal/reinstallation - too high a chance of damage.
Wrong. They stopped removing them after every flight well over a decade ago and stopped disassembling them every time they were removed not too long after.
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I'll grant the inspection, but not the removal/reinstallation - too high a chance of damage.
Not according to NASA. Saw that fairly recently in an interview by the people who actually do the work. I'll take NASA's word for it. Thanks. Considering they consistently find damage which visual inspections miss, their current approach of actually removing wire makes far, far more sense. Which oddly enough, is exactly why they take wiring out.
Wrong. They stopped removing them after every flight well over a decade ago and stopped disassembling them every time they were removed not too long after.
Since it has been a long while since I've seen something on this, I'll take your word for it.
So sayeth the Official NASA PR Spin. Some people even believe it.
Care to provide an alternative. I can't think of anything else which eve
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Never heard of any such thing, and I follow Shuttle issues fairly closely.
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They aren't the most complex moving object ever built, they aren't even close - an SSN or SSBN surpasses them easily. Or consider a CVN. As far as advanced goes, that's more a matter of opinion as anything else, but I will say NASA rarely takes any chances. They're actually pretty conservative when it comes to engineering.
I don't recognize all of the acronyms but my gut tells me your are confusing size with complexity or even logistics. Can you provide a little more detail to support your rational?
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But you can't be bothered to Google the acronym? And no, I'm not confusing size with anything.
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I agree the shuttle has reached its end-of-life. It did years ago, and we've been bootstrapping it for quite a while.
The real shame as far as space exploration is that we have neither a domestic replacement craft, nor a plan to create one. We're supposed to just wait (and hope and pray) that the private sector can satisfy our manned launch vehicle needs, even though none of them are close. AFAIK, all the private space companies are looking at tourism, not rendesvous with the ISS, Hubble, or science miss
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AFAIK, all the private space companies are looking at tourism, not rendesvous with the ISS, Hubble, or science missions.
Well that's not really true, no. Both the SpaceX Dragon capsule and the Orbital Sciences capsule proposals encompass a docking interface with the ISS. As for Hubble maintenance, you're probably right, neither of those craft will be able to dock with the Hubble. But last I heard, Hubble wasn't going to be fixed again anytime soon. I thought the last maintenance mission was the final one. And as for science missions, I am not sure what science missions you are talking about. So far as I know, the shuttle no
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And, in general, I suggest you direct your ire at incompetent, over bloated national defense contractors and subcontractors that have been promising results for cheap and delivering compromises for twice the damn price. Frankly, the large players in the aerospace industry these days, are some of the most wasteful companies in existence in my opinion.
I work for the aerospace/defense/gov't contract industry, you insensitive clod!
Then again, I was raised with the idea that it shouldn't take three works of paperwork to change a damn screw on a piece of hardware (and yes, that last part was a personal anecdote).
That's about equal parts engineering best practices (review every change, or someone will make a mistake that kills your system), corporate inefficiency (too many people asked to sign onto too many drawings, resulting in a massive backlog), and gov't beaurocracy (everything documented for oversight).
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The real shame as far as space exploration is that we have neither a domestic replacement craft, nor a plan to create one. We're supposed to just wait (and hope and pray) that the private sector can satisfy our manned launch vehicle needs, even though none of them are close.
If you're lamenting that we didn't create and implement a realistic plan for developing a shuttle successor thirty years ago like we should have, then we're in complete agreement.
If you're lamenting the loss of the shuttle replacement pr
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If you're lamenting that we didn't create and implement a realistic plan for developing a shuttle successor thirty years ago like we should have, then we're in complete agreement.
That's exactly it.
There is no scenario, starting with circumstances as they existed in 2009, where we weren't dependent on the Russians for some time, and where private industry wasn't likely to beat NASA to providing the same service.
Agreed, you neither perform engineering works of this magnitude, nor produce these numbers of delays, overnight. Really, the issue has been around probably as long as I've been alive (around when Atlantis was built).
Actually, ISS resupply missions is the very first thing SpaceX is going to be doing under contract from NASA. Science missions are one of the first uses of their Dragon capsule (called 'DragonLab') that they're planning as well. There are lots of incentives to develop this stuff, at least if the proposed NASA budget passes Congress.
My personal prediction: Private industry will be ferrying people to the ISS before 2016, the first year Ares I would have realistically yet optimistically (i.e. without further delays) have been able to do the same.
That's good to hear. I hadn't heard much from SpaceX in a while, so I assumed the worst. It doesn't forgive the feds from letting NASA's own plans slip and fail, but at least it means that we will still be able to get astronauts into orbit somehow.
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The payload bay could launch a bus into orbit. You could lift 2 Soyuz into orbit in the payload bay. The capabilities will never be matched in 50 years.
The payload to LEO capacity for the shuttle is 24 metric tons. The us-based Delta IV matches that, the Atlas V exceeds that. The russian Proton carries up to 21 tons, as does the European Ariane V and the US Titan. The proton is set to be replaced in the future by the Angara, who's A5 version can ligt 24.5 tons, the A7 is specced up to 40 tons...
Then there are up and comming private (falcon 9) and among others, chinese, replacements which lift between 25 to 32 tons.
The shuttle's one and only redeeming featu
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Why waste even more money?
The whole Ares thing was just welfare for the shuttle parts manufacturers. Never send a man to do a robots job.
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Never send a man to do a robots job.
So much this. Send a telepresence robot up with every launch to the ISS. Have people on the ground take shifts bolting everything together. They get to go home at the end of their shift, and we save tens-hundreds of millions per launch.
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Good.
The alternative is breaking windows to keep the glass makers in business.
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really? (Score:5, Funny)
WTF are Billy-Bob and Jethro going to take it for a joyride when Ferris foolishly leaves it at a downtown Chicago parking garage?
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So I wonder what they would do with the abandoned shuttle... spacewalk and fix it, leave it to safely deorbit?
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So I wonder what they would do with the abandoned shuttle... spacewalk and fix it, leave it to safely deorbit?
Almost certainly fill it with garbage then deorbit into the pacific. Would be highly embarrassing to have it survive reentry, so they'll probably do something interesting to see what happens like intentionally auger it in.
The time required to make a tile, test it, ship it up, somewhat exceeds the fuel cell fuel excess capacity, once they shut off they freeze and its all over.
Also the adhesives are best applied on the ground, hard to tell what damage there is underneath the tile inside the wing structure...
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Isn't it more likely they would attempt a fully automated landing?
can they use it for ISS space? spare parts? (Score:2)
can they use it for ISS space? spare parts?
Re:can they use it for ISS space? spare parts? (Score:4, Funny)
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Oh so that's why they got the pink flamingos up there
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everytime this comes up i wonder about longevity/service intervals.
Space station modules are made with 5-10 years in zero-G/vacuum in mind, the shuttle is designed with a few weeks of zero-g/vacuum in mind, between service intervals. I realize that launch/re-entry is probably much more demanding then just sitting in orbit, but are the systems on the shuttle capable of running (you wouldnt want to completely shut everything off and simply have it be a dead container i think..) for years on end, with only lim
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It's not scheduled to fly again, but it'll be ready as a "launch-on-need" vehicle to rescue the Endeavour crew if that craft is unable to re-enter.
Only 1 set of SRBs/external tank exist currently. (Score:1, Informative)
The Solid Rocket Booster engine production capability for the shuttles was shutdown some time ago. Just enough SRBs were made to cover the last two scheduled launches (Discovery and Endeavour) plus one spare set for Atlantis to server as a rescue ship, and a possible, but probably unlikely post-regular-scheduled-shuttle-era final mission. Also only one more external hydrogen/oxygen tank has been refurbished and made ready for this purpose as well.
It would take at minimum 24 months for ATK to get a productio
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After serving as the rescue vehicle for the last two shuttle missions, NASA wants to use Atlantis for a final re-supply flight. It will already have a fuel tank and set of boosters ready to go, so a lot of the cost is already sunk. By only taking up four crew members they could hang out at the station and be rescued via soyuz capsules if something went wrong.
why four? (Score:2)
i'm wondering why nasa would fly four crewmembers on the 'just leave it docked to the iss' mission? Columbia's first flight was carried out by two astronauts, and lasted for 54 hours. I would think two astronauts would be able to fly it up to the ISS and dock, then maybe take a few days R&R, then be ferried down in only a single soyuz, instead of two...
also take into account that todays electronics/guidance is at least as advanced as columbia's stuff, this should be a cake-walk for two guys...
Man, i'd l
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Like the time is saved sg1? (Score:2)
Like the time is saved sg1?
Like the time it saved sg1? (Score:2)
Like the time it saved sg1?
blue book value sucks (Score:5, Funny)
Should have sold it way sooner. With that many miles, it's going to be hard to sell on Craigslist. Best might be to sell it to an unwary eBayer sight-unseen. "broken odometer"
Seth
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I remember watching it lift off while I was in school also.. walking to the restroom (I was in st petersburg, the school had open hallways) and it was shooting up... splintered into 3+ lines.
Yep, pretty memorable, when your in the 4th grade and have to hear teachers balling as the tv plays for the rest of the day constantly showing what I've already seen...
Altantis Landing (Score:1, Funny)
Whose gonna fight the Wraith in Pegasus now?
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Ronan! Alone.
For Sale (Score:5, Funny)
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you jest, but both Discovery and Atlantis -are- planned to be up for sale again (they have been previously on sale for figures from $50M down to about $25M). They plant to keep the Endeavour.
Re:For Sale (Score:5, Informative)
The cost to pick up one of the shuttles is almost $30 million. They aren't being sold (at this point anyway); that number is allegedly just the cost to clean up the shuttle (removing hazardous materials, etc.), get it display-worthy, and transport it to its final location.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/25/space.shuttles.retirement/index.html [cnn.com]
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That one is the lucky Buran. The one mentioned at the end of the article as currently being stored in a hanger ended up being destroyed a couple of years later when the hanger collapsed.
http://www.buran-energia.com/bourane-buran/bourane-fin.php [buran-energia.com]
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Discovery is going to the Smithsonian
Atlantis and Endeavor are being sold.
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Yup.
Two in the front of the flight deck (mission commander & pilot).
Two in the rear of the flight deck (mission specialists)
Three on the mid-deck.
STS-71 and STS-61A had 8 on board. STS-71 used special seats on the mid-deck. I don't know where the 8th person sat on STS-61A. I kinda doubt it was "just have a seat on the floor there, and hold on." :)
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The closest I've ever been to flying one was in simulators a couple times at the U.S. Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville. I did a little more looking, and found this diagram [nasa.gov], which shows the standard 7 seats and 3 "rescue" seats. 4 on the flight deck, and up to 6 on the mid-deck.
It does look ... ummm ... cramped. It's a bit tighter than I'd want to spend a weekend with 6 other people, much less a week or two. But hey, they get to go to space and I don't.
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What's the m/cu ft. rating?
Do I need Ultra-Premium fuel?
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You've obviously never placed classified ad in a regular old newspaper. "Spc Shtl Atl, PS/PW/PDL, tint, cold AC, lo miles, FAST. 321-867-7819 eves" :-)
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Space derby (Score:2)
First car analogy post : Shuttle Atlantis is NASA's old beaten 1985 Ford F-350. They should have a space demolition derby with their rockets once they're done with em. Invite the Russians! Fun for all!
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She may be a beaten up old 1985 Ford F-350... but she's the only Ford that we have of her kind.
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I was going to go to Vandenberg for the first launch from there in October 1986. Then Challenger had what was "obviously a major malfunction".
Note that Atlantis may not be done (Score:2)
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Assuming all goes well on STS-134, we'd end up with a checked-out, launch-ready shuttle stack that's already been paid for. Atlantis's Launch On Need (LON) mission STS-335 could become STS-135 and fly a stripped-down, 4-person crew to the STS, delivering extra supplies and an additional Multi-Purpose Logistics Module. If something went wrong on STS-134, Soyuz capsules would be used in place of another shuttle LON. Source [spaceflightnow.com].
It will all be worth it... (Score:5, Insightful)
"A smooth sea never made a skilled mariner."
Hmmm... (Score:3, Funny)
How much of the it is 25yrs old? (Score:3, Interesting)
I imagine that the shuttle has been torn, gutted, refitted, retrofitted, and modernized many times over the 25 years. You think there's anything on the it that still has "matching serials?"
That would be neat to know.
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I'm guessing its like a classic airplane, so most of the airframe, most of the wiring, most of the hydraulic system.
Pretty much if its a simple bar of metal, a pipe, or a wire, its probably original. The rest of it, wellllll....
Re:How much of the it is 25yrs old? (Score:5, Interesting)
I've actually been inside the Atlantis. I was lucky enough to receive the VIP tour. I'm gonna glow your mind. The technicians there say *every inch* of wire is removed and closely examined after every launch. So yea, I would agree with OP, the shuttle basically gets gutted after launch. How much is replaced after each inspection I can't say.
Fun fact: the shuttle bay doors are only designed to be opened in space. If opened on earth their own weight would rip the hinges apart. During inspection the doors are supported by huge braces. :D
Oblig Picture:
http://imgur.com/7pBjO.jpg [imgur.com]
http://imgur.com/qzxT6.jpg [imgur.com]
http://imgur.com/2SPRA.jpg [imgur.com]
http://imgur.com/EUxbD.jpg [imgur.com]
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Fun fact: the shuttle bay doors are only designed to be opened in space. If opened on earth their own weight would rip the hinges apart. During inspection the doors are supported by huge braces. :D
That's typical for any mechanism of any real size on a spacecraft. Operation in a 1g environment require "g negation" "mechanical ground support equipment" -- the yellow structures in your pictures of the doors. Other common places you'd find this sort of thing would be for operating the antenna booms and solar panels on a typical satellite during testing.
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Well shit....I guess I was wrong. I assume your work for USA or NASA? We got the VIP tour, had to put on bunny suits and they took us all throughout the Orbiter Processing Facility and inside the shuttle. It freaking blew my mind that basically an entire building engulfs the orbiter for inspection. If you're on the outside of the structure, you really can't see the shuttle on the inside, just a HUGE steel structure. I think if more people had access to the VIP tour your average retard voter wouldn't think N
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So long, America. It was a bumpy ride... (Score:1, Offtopic)
This is the end of an era and more evidence of the ever increasing downfall of our country.
enjoy working 2 jobs to pay your bills... if you can find one. If you're married... thats 4 jobs. get to work.
Re:So long, America. It was a bumpy ride... (Score:4, Funny)
Your neighbor will get a job filling holes.
Another tiger woods joke on slashdot?
Cost-Benefit Analysis (Score:2)
Not really 120 Million Miles (Score:1)
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Considering the peak for low earth orbit is around 350 km
ISS is around 380km... just saying. Also despite appearances at launch it doesn't pop straight up and down like an elevator, so the actual path traveled under power is somewhat longer than you'd think. And on landing, a crappy 3:1 glide ratio or whatever doesn't sound very impressive, but it starts from so very high altitude, that it does add up (err, multiply up, or you know what I mean)
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Likewise, while the vehicle itself is falling back to earth, its going through reentry and its heat shields are getting blasted that in no way could be called easy. I realize its hard to understand, but you dont just fall back tword earth and park in the driveway, it does take a little more then that.
This thing has gone much, much further then you ever will in
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under conditions that would destroy any car you've ever owned full stop.
I reckon my Hummer could take it.
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under conditions that would destroy any car you've ever owned full stop.
I reckon my Hummer could take it.
Your Hummer certainly uses more fuel...
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You reminded me of an old commercial [youtube.com].
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This thing has gone much, much further then you ever will in all the cars you'll ever drive, under conditions that would destroy any car you've ever owned full stop.
What about KITT from Knight Rider?
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IIRC, KITT was "destroyed" no less than three times.
When the're gone ... (Score:2)
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What's a goal-less country to do ? (Score:1)
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Its sad, but hopefully it will bring some new (Score:2)
I believe that "thank you" is an understatement. I mean this for all space travelers past, present and near future. I am fairly certain most people just take the engineering required for granted and ignore the required bravery. For those of you who think its a wast of resources: fuck off bitch. I intend to have the seed of mankind spread across this galaxy. Whats your plan?
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Not sure what scale you use to evaluate the value of /. article postings to the common nerd, but I think anything NASA has to qualify.
The sheer magnitude of R&D and technology involved with the space shuttle, its missions, and the NASA space programs in general far exceed by any measure the level of "nerdiness" required to end up on /.
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Has /. now become the Associated Press?
Wait... you're complaining that Slashdot is running fairly-up-to-date news?!
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I submitted this 'news' when Atlantis launched, ten days ago...
... before its safe landing was only a statistical probability. :P