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A Warming Planet Can Mean More Snow 1136

Ponca City, We love you writes "NPR reports that with snow blanketing much of the country, the topic of global warming has become the butt of jokes; but for scientists who study the climate, there's no contradiction between a warming world and lots of snow. 'The fact that the oceans are warmer now than they were, say, 30 years ago means there's about on average 4 percent more water vapor lurking around over the oceans than there was... in the 1970s,' says Kevin Trenberth, a prominent climate scientist. 'So one of the consequences of a warming ocean near a coastline like the East Coast and Washington, DC, for instance, is that you can get dumped on with more snow partly as a consequence of global warming.' Increased snowfall also fits a pattern suggested by many climate models, in which rising temperatures increase the amount of atmospheric moisture, bringing more rain in warmer conditions and more snow in freezing temperatures."
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @10:39PM (#31163758)

    World is fucked. Oh well, time to jerk off.

  • by ronz0o ( 889697 ) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @10:44PM (#31163804) Homepage
    Dear Global Warming,
    I looked out my window, and saw another 8 inches of snow. I just wanted to tell you that you are a liar, and I hate you.

  • Re:Or not (Score:5, Funny)

    by amiga3D ( 567632 ) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @10:45PM (#31163808)
    It wasn't warm enough to snow.
  • by dkleinsc ( 563838 ) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @10:52PM (#31163872) Homepage

    the best cable news team [] in America.

  • by Philip K Dickhead ( 906971 ) <> on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @11:17PM (#31164120) Journal

    Attribute your quote! That's Phil Dick!

  • by BitHive ( 578094 ) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @11:38PM (#31164324) Homepage

    One question for the libertarians reading. Can the theory of magical free markets be falsified?

    If stocks go up, it is because of the free market.

    If stocks go down, it is the free market correcting itself.

    If wages stagnate for the majority while steadily increasing for an elite minority, it's because the free market works in mysterious ways.

    But if we have a mortgage bubble, it's the government's fault for letting the federal reserve print all that extra money.

    If people get what they want, the free market gave it to them.

    If a government purchases something, it makes the free market cry.

    Yet when someone's retirement portfolio gets set back a year or more, they simply were not shrewd with their investments. Hey, it's a free market!

    When deregulation is consistently followed by exploitation and gross contempt for the public it is simply the market deriving value for its shareholders.

    When there's a near complete meltdown followed by a recession, it is because true free markets have never really been tried because of liberal regulations.

    So my question is this: For a theory to be Science it must be falsifiable; so what would it take for one of you True Believers to reconsider your theory?

  • by yndrd1984 ( 730475 ) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @11:47PM (#31164400)

    Honestly no matter what humans do to save or destroy the earth, in 4-5 billion years the sun is going to engulf the earth.

    That's why, about 3.9 billion years from now, I've set aside some time for developing an escape plan. Until then I plan on keeping the old homestead in good repair, because spending 50 million or so lifetimes in a dump doesn't sound like fun. I promise that when the time comes you can throw a huge party and trash the place.

  • by ArcherB ( 796902 ) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @11:57PM (#31164508) Journal

    I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the Republicans are suggesting that we do: keep pumping out billions of tons of CO2 a year and see what happens... There are easier ways to falsify AGW's predictions than to wait 40 years and take a look at the climate... Ocean acidification, changes in weather patterns over a statistically significant period of time that can not be explained through purely natural warming processes etc..

    Yes. That is exactly what Republicans want. The GOP's secret mission statement is the pump billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere in a dastardly plot to destroy the world so that Dick Cheney can finally realize his dream of being the last man on earth when his final O2 canister runs out.

    Oh, shit. You have found us out.

  • by dimeglio ( 456244 ) on Tuesday February 16, 2010 @11:58PM (#31164520)

    I'll tell you what a warming planet means:
    - More/less heath
    - More/less snow
    - More/less rain
    - Rising/lower sea waters
    - More earthquakes
    - More volcano eruptions
    - More girls on slashdot
    Yeah, I'm confused.

    What I know is that:
    We breathe oxygen/nitrogen and exhale CO2
    Trees breathe CO2 and exhale oxygen

    Plant more trees or avoid breathing.

  • by Anonymous Struct ( 660658 ) on Wednesday February 17, 2010 @12:09AM (#31164614)

    Totally biased source. NASA just wants to convince us that the Earth is doomed so that we'll put more money into colonizing Mars. How can you not see right through these lies?

  • by mano.m ( 1587187 ) on Wednesday February 17, 2010 @12:19AM (#31164680)
    Reminds me of an old Persian (/Indian/Chinese/Turkish - it's one of those popular ones) story -

    A villager goes to visit a wise man to gain wisdom. As he walks into the wise man's home, he sees him blowing into his cupped palms.

    "Why are you blowing into your hands?", he asks.

    "To warm them", comes the reply.

    A little while later, the wise man's wife serves soup. The wise man blows into it.

    "Why are you blowing into your soup?", the villager asks.

    "To cool it", is the reply.

    The villager finishes his soup and hurries to leave. When the wise man asks him why he won't stay, he says "I can't trust a man who blows both hot and cold."

    The moral isn't that one can't trust scientists who claim global warming can have a local cooling effect. It is that, despite all indignant incredulity, the same cause can have different effects in different contexts and scales.
  • by waveman ( 66141 ) on Wednesday February 17, 2010 @01:04AM (#31165090) Homepage

    You are absolutely right. And on the other hand, there are no financial interests at all among the oil, coal, auto and gas companies in keeping the current emissions regime going as long as possible.

  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Wednesday February 17, 2010 @01:34AM (#31165366) Homepage Journal

    Whereas ignorant knuckleheads just instinctively know the truth.

  • by Bemopolis ( 698691 ) on Wednesday February 17, 2010 @02:50AM (#31165916)
    Honestly, the only reason that I can't see that as being the official Republican stance is that it makes sense.
  • by berbo ( 671598 ) on Wednesday February 17, 2010 @12:36PM (#31170880)

    Phil Jones has pretty much admitted most of the data is BS and nobody knows what it really means.

    He also said that your mother was a hampster, and that logic is wreath of flowers that smell bad.

    At least in the sense of "I'm completely distorting what he said to whatever I want."

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