New Research Suggests G-Spot Doesn't Exist 392
krou writes to tell us that according to a new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, a team from King's College London has found no evidence to suggest that the G-Spot actually exists, and they believe it may be a myth encouraged by magazines and sex therapists. The study performed is the largest of its kind, including some 1,800 women, and still was unable to find meaningful proof. Of course, the studies were probably all led by men, who everyone knows can't find the G-Spot anyway.
Vaginas on /. (Score:5, Informative)
And the crowd goes wild..
On a more serious note, why do you have to make it so technical? Different areas stimulate differently and some are more powerful than others. If girls say that specific area pleasures them more, you don't have to make tons of researches about it. You can just believe it. And like with everything else sexual, it can difference between people.
If you are coming (as a man, and as a hint for slashdot's girls), stimulating the area between your balls and asshole makes your orgasm a lot more powerful. It's even possible to come just by stimulating that area, without touching your dick (I've done it). That is actually what's called men "g-spot", while technically its deeper in your ass, but you can stimulate it somewhat from under your balls too. If you're not up for gay sex, you can of course ask your girl to put a finger in your ass and try to stimulate it from there.
Also why not just experience? Girls tend to let you know what feels good, in a way or another. Or just ask her if she has spotted it and help you stimulate it. It will be slighty different with every girl, because everyones body and sexuality is slighty different.
If there's one area in your life thats not all technical and about science, let it be sex, and just have fun.
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If you are coming (as a man, and as a hint for slashdot's girls), stimulating the area between your balls and asshole makes your orgasm a lot more powerful. It's even possible to come just by stimulating that area, without touching your dick (I've done it).
TMI
Re:Vaginas on /. (Score:5, Funny)
WAY TMI. My eyes bleed.
Re:Vaginas on /. (Score:4, Funny)
WAY TMI. My eyes bleed.
So do vaginas.
Re:Vaginas on /. (Score:5, Funny)
My eyes bleed.
You're doing it wrong. The GP said asshole not eye sockets.
Re:Vaginas on /. (Score:4, Funny)
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If you are coming (as a man, and as a hint for slashdot's girls), stimulating the area between your balls and asshole makes your orgasm a lot more powerful. It's even possible to come just by stimulating that area, without touching your dick (I've done it).
TMI
So you already knew?
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I have to post AC on this one..
Here's a map [blogsome.com] for those who don't know. :)
TFA is a piece of crap story. It's very small on some women, but I've always managed to find it. Any women who haven't had it explored, drop me a line. :)
It does exist on both men and women. It can also be slightly manipulated from the outside.
On women from inside, touching towards the abdomen, you will feel a spongy area. Just up (towards her head) from th
Re:Vaginas on /. (Score:5, Funny)
Any women who haven't had it explored, drop me a line. :)
I suppose that's the downside of posting anonymously...
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Err...who cares? As long as you get yours...right?
Actually, I joke...it is fun to get chicks off too, just more of a challenge. Guys? We're easy...I wonder why women are so hard to get off though, in general? I know some chicks...will cum just with a good fucking, but, then lots of others, you need a couple hours and heavy machinery.
If I happen to stick with a single girl for awhile...I make a deal. That night sex, is for them. I'll do what I have to as
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This study is yet another piece of controversy on the topic. There have been peer-reviewed studies that have gone both ways on the issue.
Probably the main complicating factor is that the G-spot is about stimulating skene's/paraurethral gland(s), aka, the "female prostate". What develops into the prostate in men develops into this in women. Our bodies are homologous; we develop from the same immature organs, just to different degrees, shapes, sizes, etc. The secretions from it match those of seminal flui
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Am I the only one that noticed that all they did for this "study" was ask twins if they both had G-spots? I mean, seriously?
This wasn't "research", this was a survey. Given the fact that finding the G-spot is largely dependant on your partner, two twins could easily have different experiences.
What they should have done is if one twin reported having a G-spot and the other did not, then test both women in the same spot (the area the first twin reported the g-spot to be located). If they are both stimulate
I call Bullshit (Score:4, Funny)
I call bullshit on this article.
I found it right here. [wendys.com]
And I quote:
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...
If Wendy's got one, then every woman with a hot and juicy does!
Re:Vaginas on /. (Score:4, Funny)
I'm confused (Score:3, Funny)
Is this article on slashdot for the three of us women? Or are there more women lurking than we knew about?
Re:I'm confused (Score:5, Funny)
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And the last one is really a man, but he got himself boobs.
Re:I'm confused (Score:5, Funny)
hi baby, how you doin'?
Re:I'm confused (Score:5, Funny)
I take off my wizard robe and hat.
Slashdot agrees... (Score:5, Funny)
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Well being I haven't inserted the head on my shoulders into a vagina lately I would have to agree.
Re:Slashdot agrees... (Score:5, Funny)
So this lady goes to the drugstore and tells the pharmacist guy there that her husband has dandruff, and what can she do about it. He says "give him some Head and Shoulders". She thinks for a second and says "how do you give shoulder"?
Bada-bing.
GEEZ, I told them it was called.... (Score:2)
...the D-SPOT....I specifically told them the D-SPOT!!!!!
Can't those newsies get anything right??? Of course there's no such thing as the G-Spot, it's the D-Spot!!!
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That's ridiculous, we're nerds here. We have and use technology to our benefit. There's no reason* a slashdotter should not be able to rig up a camera at the end of a flexible stick for this observation attempt. You can probably buy an off-the-shelf product that would make the observation trivial.
Really, what sort of luddite would require direct physical observation for something like this?
*Other than f
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I don't usually put my head inside a vagina, but maybe it's just me.
K, what? (Score:5, Interesting)
There's a large, easily felt physical outcropping which is one of several significant stimulus points. Maybe it's not the grafenberg spot, but it's what we think of when we hear g-spot.
There's a reason that people believe in this thing, ask for it to be stimulated on certain moods, et cetera.
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Yeah I'm not sure if thats what Grafenberg was talking about, but you can definately feel it.
Psychological or not, the spot is there, and it's not guaranteed to stimulate every single woman.
Just like some girls like a little tug on the hair, others don't. Some people enjoy choking, others don't. Maybe not every girl likes their G Spot being touched. I knew a girl who didn't like me playing with the clit because it was too sensative, it was so good it hurt.
To say "The spot isn't there" is kind of like saying
Re:K, what? Bad Methodology (Score:5, Informative)
So this study is about whether identical twins both self-report the same data. It's possibly a badly executed study on genetics, but it certainly does not study what the headline says.
In a different study, the spot was found during physical examination, and reportedly can be increased in size through vigorous stimulation. I know, citation needed, but I remember facts better than URLs.
No, the idea of whether you have one is subjective. Whether you actually have one should be as subjective as whether you have a femur.
Sounds reasonable...
Sounds like actual evidence...
Sounds speculative.
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femurs? gspots? sadness for humanity. who are you with? communicate with them! so simple.
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Also - How about people just talk to each other during physical intimacy (and before!!!) and figure out what each finds pleasurable? Why is this so hard for some? Sheesh. (*weeps for humanity*)
Re:K, what? (Score:5, Informative)
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one of several significant stimulus points
There are actually quite a few. For those that don't know them, here's a good list of the 4 [heretical.com] I've learned of
[Smirk] (Score:3, Funny)
Good thing we on Slashdot found out about this. Now all of us experts on this topic can go back to our normal lives now that we know why that one wasn't working. [/smirk]
I know where my wifes g-spot is (Score:5, Funny)
It is in my back right pocket, shaped suspiciously like my wallet.
Re:I know where my wifes g-spot is (Score:5, Funny)
And I suppose she carries your balls around in her purse?
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It is in my back right pocket, shaped suspiciously like my wallet.
On a similar note, my wife's friend says she pays for her jewlery etc with her "hairy chequebook"....
This is science? (Score:5, Funny)
The dumb thing about this study is that they ask women if they have a G-spot.
Shit, with that methodology and the right sample population I can prove that men don't have prostate glands or spleens.
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The dumb thing about this study is that they ask women if they have a G-spot.
Shit, with that methodology and the right sample population I can prove that men don't have prostate glands or spleens.
...and that women are good drivers ;)
What?! (Score:5, Funny)
*sigh*
For a minute there, I thought I'd found my new dream job. "Now, tell me if this makes you have an orgasm. Don't worry, it's for science."
Re:This is science? (Score:5, Funny)
"The women in the study, who were all pairs of identical and non-identical twins, were asked whether they had a G-spot."
"If one did exist, it would be expected that both identical twins, who have the same genes, would report having one."
STAND BACK! I'M GOING TO TRY PSEUDOSCIENCE!
Re:This is science? (Score:5, Funny)
If it gets you 900 twins to test for if they have a g-spot, and you will personally conduct that test, the plan is perfect.
Re:This is science? (Score:4, Insightful)
Unless those twins all had identical lovers, I don't see how this is relevant. The question is whether it exists at all.
Unfortunately, I suspect a properly scientific study would require some scientist to learn to find it, and then attempt to find it on each of the women in the study. But that affects the sample population quite a lot, I'd think -- down to "women who like casual sex with scientists."
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Well if they don't know that they have one, what exactly is the point? Of course it would probably be more accurate to ascertain whether or not there is a denser collection of nerves in a certain place on their anatomy but I'd guess that dissection isn't popular with living subjects...
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The dumb thing about this study is that they ask women if they have a G-spot.
Shit, with that methodology and the right sample population I can prove that men don't have prostate glands or spleens.
Men aren't aware of prostate glands until they are in their 40's and they need to pee 30 times a day. They then bow to Lord Flowmax in humble gratitude.
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Hillariously Flawed Study (Score:4, Insightful)
Fantastic methodology there! We won't actually study the person, we'll just ask them! What an awesome popularity contest.
In other news God does exist, 10/10 Christians guarantee it!
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Re:Hillariously Flawed Study (Score:4, Funny)
teehee...stimulus bill.
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How do you study 1,800 women if they have a spot thats not visible? Of course, there's the fun solution, but 1,800 women is still going to take some time, and you have to actually learn where the spot is before.
That's not the only flaw (Score:4, Insightful)
Drawing the conclusion that there is no G-spot because it isn't _genetically_ determined is ludicrous. It's like saying humans don't have fingerprints because identical twins have different patterns.
Re:Hillariously Flawed Study (Score:5, Insightful)
They didn't just merely ask them, they asked identical twins and used the twins as controls of what the other had said. What they basically determined is that for a phenomena that is supposed to be a sensory experience - an orgasm inducing spot - the identical twins couldn't agree (from the cases where both of them said they have a g-spot) where that spot actually is, supporting the notion that it doesn't exist in the first place.
Re:Hillariously Flawed Study (Score:4, Insightful)
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Thus also proving that fingerprints don't exist. This methodology is suspect at best.
Re:Hillariously Flawed Study & then some (Score:2)
Have you ever read Gina Ogden's book [amazon.com] (Women Who Love Sex)?
There's a great chapter in there about women who "think off" (that is, mentally initiate their own orgasm).
I believe in the male's case it is referred to as premature ejaculation or something similar? Hell, if they can't find their own G-spots they can just think themselves off......
Been on FARK (Score:2)
And talked to death there . . .
Most Slashdotters think a Vagina is that blurred area over the crotch in pictures of the only naked women they've ever seen.
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Oh I'm pretty sure most slashdotters are familar with porn... it's the living, breathing female girlfriends that are largely in uncharted waters. I suspect that many slashdotters would prefer a generalization of what works for females (g-spot) rather than each female be different and thus more of a social challenge for them.
What is the definition of the G-spot anyway? (Score:2)
If it's just "some area inside the vagina that is more sensitive than the rest" then just by the uneven expression of genes is almost HAS to exist. If you define it as "some area inside _all_ vaginas that will _always_ produce an orgasm is stimulated" then by definition it does not exist.
But of course, this is probably just the normal case of media misrepresenting the findings.
seriously, lacks intelligence (Score:2)
If I knew this was a study to absolutely find proof that it exists, I would ask ALL women that have g spots to come forward, and of these I would pick 1000 ( atleast 10% will be enough to get what I need)). Then I would start by going in with a camera to pin point the exact location and type of tissue that the gspot is composed of....as I am sure it would be slightly different then the rest, as to allow a better stimulation.
Next I would then map out the exact production of ??? hormone that is released from
My Wife Thinks it Exists (Score:5, Insightful)
My wife claims she notices three distinctly different kinds of orgasms - clit, g-spot, and a more nebulous 'vaginal' one. She never had an orgasm until I figured out where her supposedly non-existent g-spot is - that opened the flood gates to a whole bunch of really good sex.
Does the g-spot exist? Who cares. Something in the general vicinity of where my wife thinks her g-spot is can be stimulated to bring her to orgasm. Happy wife -> more sex -> happy me!
Re:My Wife Thinks it Exists (Score:5, Funny)
wife? vagina?? orgasms?
checks the address bar
Re:My Wife Thinks it Exists (Score:5, Informative)
Yes she did.
Really on Slashdot? (Score:2, Funny)
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Don't forget the guy who enumerates the kind of posts we can expect to see in this story to lump everyone into one of a list and decide that the discussion is over.
Oh, you forgot "Soviet Russia" jokes and your spelling got worse as you whipped yourself into a lather, so count me in as one of the grammar Nazis. :-P
Throw in some MS bashing, blaming everything on RMS, and invoking Godwin, and we'll be almost done. ;-)
Cheers
Re:Really on Slashdot? (Score:4, Funny)
Oh, you forgot "Soviet Russia" jokes
In Soviet Russia, G spots you!
There. We are mathematically complete.
g-what? (Score:2)
Is this something that will bepart of the next stable gnome release?
Rim Shot! (Score:3, Funny)
A: I don't know, but I had it on the tip of my tongue just a moment ago.
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Rim Shot!
Sorry, you have the wrong orifice.
Does it matter? (Score:2)
I'm going to claim it's irrelevant if there is such a thing as a g-spot physically. If your partner has a specific spot (in addition to the clitoris) in her genitals which by the way of stimulation induces a torrent of orgasms we might as well call it a g-spot. The single most important "sex organ" is the human brain anyway, does it matter exactly how something works if it works?
Granted, it's nice to understand stuff scientifically and all. But in my experience sex it more of an art than science... ;)
Doesn't matter (Score:2)
Who cares if it exists or not? I find that if I search for it vigorously with fingers, tongue, and penis, she gets the desired result.
Slashdot close to home... (Score:5, Funny)
WIFE: That's a good idea.... you stand by the ironing board while I sit at the computer and fart all night.
Shhhhhhhh! (Score:5, Funny)
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Moreover... (Score:2)
... chances are that the study was actually carried out on men
I can assure you it's there, (Score:2)
You just haven't had it stimulated before. This is sadly an indicator of the poor work done by their sexual partners, and doesn't prove if it's there or not.
As a man who has researched very heavily into female anatomy specifically in regards to errogenous zones, I have never failed to find a woman's clitoris, g-spot or perineum. Most women are very surprised when it is stimulated for the first time, usually during oral sex. Using two fingers with the come hither gesture is generally the most effective, alth
help (Score:5, Funny)
OK, with all of the suggestions here, I am SO CLOSE to finding my G-spot and I just need a bit of help.
So I've got two fingers in (relax guys, I am legal, just turned 19 last week), and curled backward to do the 'come here' sign, but backwards, since I am doing this to myself. I am almost two inches in, and it is starting to feel good, but my fingers are short. My question is this: Should I try to go deeper by inserting a third finger, or will this just make my thumb jamb up against my balls?
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bs... (Score:2)
It's just discontinued and we all use this now instead: http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en [sourceforge.net]
orignal url (Score:3, Informative)
here http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/123232355/abstract [wiley.com]
abstract of article
Genetic and Environmental Influences on self-reported G-Spots in Women: A Twin Study
Andrea Virginia Burri, MSc, Lynn Cherkas, PhD, and Timothy D. Spector, MD
Department of Twin Research and Genetic Epidemiology, King's College London, London, UK
Correspondence to Andrea Burri, MSc, Twin Research and Genetic Epidemiology, King's College London, St. Thomas' Hospital, Westminster Bridge Road, London SE1 EH7, UK. Tel: 00447943802987; Fax: 004402071886718; E-mail: andrea.burri@kcl.ac.uk, tim.spector@kcl.ac.uk
Copyright © 2009 International Society for Sexual Medicine
KEYWORDS
G-Spot Twin Study Genetics Heritability
ABSTRACT
Introduction. There is an ongoing debate around the existence of the G-spot—an allegedly highly sensitive area on the anterior wall of the human vagina. The existence of the G-spot seems to be widely accepted among women, despite the failure of numerous behavioral, anatomical, and biochemical studies to prove its existence. Heritability has been demonstrated in all other genuine anatomical traits studied so far.
Aim. To investigate whether the self-reported G-spot has an underlying genetic basis.
Methods. 1804 unselected female twins aged 22–83 completed a questionnaire that included questions about female sexuality and asked about the presence or absence of a G-spot. The relative contribution of genetic and environmental factors to variation in the reported existence of a G-spot was assessed using a variance components model fitting approach.
Main Outcome Measures. Genetic variance component analysis of self-reported G-spot.
Results. We found 56% of women reported having a G-spot. The prevalence decreased with age. Variance component analyses revealed that variation in G-spot reported frequency is almost entirely a result of individual experiences and random measurement error (>89%) with no detectable genetic influence. Correlations with associated general sexual behavior, relationship satisfaction, and attitudes toward sexuality suggest that the self-reported G-spot is to be a secondary pseudo-phenomenon.
Conclusions. To our knowledge, this is the largest study investigating the prevalence of the G-spot and the first one to explore an underlying genetic basis. A possible explanation for the lack of heritability may be that women differ in their ability to detect their own (true) G-spots. However, we postulate that the reason for the lack of genetic variation—in contrast to other anatomical and physiological traits studied—is that there is no physiological or physical basis for the G-spot. Burri AV, Cherkas L, and Spector TD. Genetic and environmental influences on self-reported G-spots in women: A twin study. J Sex Med **;**:**–**.
Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks (Score:5, Funny)
It's amazing how much crap is going on in their heads during sex.
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I don't think they're really thinking about all that during sex, at least if they don't have some kind of a problem. Most are just relaxed and go for it, in a relationship at least. Of course, it's a different matter if its really bad sex..
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Well...date enough chicks over the years and I think you'll come to agree that most of them have some kind of a problem.
Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks (Score:5, Insightful)
"Well...date enough chicks over the years and I think you'll come to agree that most of them have some kind of a problem"
hmmm ... what is the one common factor in all your dates?
Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks (Score:5, Funny)
That, my friend, is what alcohol is for
That 12th drink.... (Score:2)
Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks (Score:5, Funny)
Sure, but to be fair, compared to our minds during sex, a pet rock has more going on mentally.
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And Tiger.
BTW, thanks, man. I need something else to apoligize for and explain to my wife. Nice move.
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There are two situations where what you speak of occurs.
A) You aren't doing it right, so she's not thinking about whats happening, but is instead so bored she's written 2 books, 3 short stories and translated the UN documents into every language on the planet.
B) She's a teenager (literally or emotionally, physical age isn't always the best indication)
Normal women really don't have those issues. Of course, the same is true for men as well, for us its just a little easier to distract a man with a pair of tit
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So do boys! As a boy myself, I wish more boys & girls would read stuff like "Yes Means Yes" ... jesu christu why is it so hard for human beings to treat each other like human beings and enjoy themselves and each other! I hate "wester society" (for lack of a better umbrella term).
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Anything that makes sex enjoyable... Oh how wrong that could get!
Anyway - stimulation is more than one single spot, it's a full body experience. And every person is different, and it's an adventure to find the right spots.
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Of course, Bill "Cigar" Clinton didn't help matters much either with his antics and subsequent representation after the fact, which can tend to influence an entire generation as well.
If that's true, I am sure the current generation will be influenced by George "WMD" Bush's antics and subsequent representation after the facts...
Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks (Score:4, Funny)
A Middle Eastern country is like a woman. In the short term you plan well and enter targeting sensitive areas. In the long run of course you're stuck with a costly occupation and getting away eventually costs you half your stuff.
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shutupshutupshutup
Don't let another priceless scientific discussion on /. get turned into another political flamefest
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Screwed up the closing quote tag...
Well I guess that's all fine and dandy if you want to be married to today's typical 12 year old. Apparently my 30 year old wife and I have a little more
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Morals went out the window about 2 generations ago
Umm, read the post again. It says "mores" not "morals" - different things.
With 12-year olds experimenting with oral and anal sex as a "safe" alternative these days, along with the Internet feeding those wicked desires to show off to the world
Sounds like you've been reading too much sensationalistic media. While these things do happen, I don't think they are as widely indulged in as you believe. Even with a more liberal attitude in society, you don't think people are still self-conscious about sex and their bodies? Just as many kids are getting purity rings and indulging in other weird virginity rituals, as are experimenting with anal and oral sex.
Not to mention the way that Hollywood has pretty much shit on the entire aspect of Marriage with their here-today-gone-tomorrow mentality of a once-sacred bond,
It seems to me that marri
Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks (Score:4, Funny)
Of course, Bill "Cigar" Clinton didn't help matters much either with his antics and subsequent representation after the fact, which can tend to influence an entire generation as well.
Dude, remember to whom [heraldinteractive.com] he's married to.
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More on-topic: After learning how to find the G-spot (thanks Julie!), I have never had difficulty finding it on any other woman. That includes two who were convinced they had no G-spot.
This "study" is bunk.