Hadron Collider Relaunch Delayed 223
SpuriousLogic writes "There's been another delay in the schedule announced for getting the Large Hadron Collider switched back on — now it's September 2009, a year after it shut down due to a malfunction. Scientists had said they expected the $5.4B machine to be repaired by November 2008, but then pushed the date back to June 2009, before the latest delay."
Incredible (Score:5, Funny)
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It must be those wormholes they created.
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I've never seen one before - no one has - but I'm guessing it's a white hole.
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so what is it?
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Anybody who doesn't get this reference is a smeeeeeeeeeeeeee...... a smeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
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So what is it?
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Maybe the goatse man's black hole was the culprit for this time travel mishap.
Re:Incredible (Score:5, Funny)
Actually traveling to the future is extremely easy.
The hard part is getting there faster than one second a second.
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Those Hadron folks had nothing to do with this particular time travel.
It's Slashdot editors testing their new 'Dupes from the future' technology.
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Weight has nothing to do with it
Its 2009, not 2008 (Score:2, Informative)
Just fyi. And last year was 2008, not 2007.
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SpuriousLogic writes
"There's been another delay in the schedule announced for getting the Large Hadron Collider switched back on -- now it's September 2008, a year after it shut down due to a malfunction. Scientists had said they expected the $5.4B machine to be repaired by November 2007, but then pushed the date back to June 2008, before the latest delay."
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Fast! (Score:5, Funny)
November 2007 was a bit optimistic, but september 2008 is still a really fast fix!
That's more than just a typo... (Score:5, Funny)
That entire news item is outdated. :P
Confusion about Dates (Score:2, Insightful)
See? This is why you always have to use four-digit years when specifying any date, even months, otherwise the 'software', *eyes original poster*, gets confused.
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Of course it's AD. You don't have to say it's AD. It's 2009. It's not like anything happened in 2009BC. Well, not in Geneva
Re:Confusion about Dates (Score:4, Funny)
It's not like anything happened in 2009BC. Well, not in Geneva
As a resident, I can assure you that unless you have very deep pockets or actually work for CERN (and even then...), nothing happens here anyway. It's the Indianapolis of Europe.
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Us secular people prefer CE.
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*Page last updated at 22:43 GMT, Monday, 9 February 2009*
Maybe it's a dupe from a year ago? (Score:2)
Slashdot editors earning their keep...
When are you guys demanding a slice of the government bail-out then?
Time travel? (Score:2)
So Advanced (Score:2)
So this thing is so advanced that it can time travel into the past and delay its own repairs?
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Didn't it rather make them happen early? Fixed september 2008 isn't what I would call a delay.
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No, it's so dangerous that it actually destroys the entire universe. Therefore, the only universes left are the ones where the LHC did not work, such as this one.
2012 is fast approaching (Score:5, Funny)
I have a sneaking suspicion the repairs won't be done till 2012... :| Making the prophecy come true after all.
Re:2012 is fast approaching (Score:5, Funny)
Mark my words, 2009 will be the year of atleast one prophecy!
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That's 2008 kdawson time for those of you who didn't get it!
Just to clarify (Score:4, Informative)
TFA actually mentions no years, just "this year" and "last year".
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When a quote isn't a quote (Score:4, Informative)
Re:When a quote isn't a quote (Score:5, Informative)
The original submission:
SpuriousLogic writes
"The Large Hadron Collider could be switched back on in September a year after it shut down due to a malfunction and several months later than expected.
Scientists had said they expected the £3.6bn ($5.4bn) machine to be repaired by November, but then pushed the date back to June, before the latest delay."
So we can thank kdawson for fucking it up and attributing his/her errors to someone else.
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Quick (Score:2)
Someone fix the collider, it's taken out the space time continuum with it.
CERN taken over by IT Directors? (Score:2)
Analysis from the Washington Post (Score:5, Funny)
Here: [washingtonpost.com]
'CERN* management today confirmed the restart schedule [translation: announced another delay] for the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) resulting from the recommendations from last week's Chamonix workshop. The new schedule foresees [not that you'd want to bet your life on it] first beams in the LHC at the end of September this year, with collisions following in late October. A short technical stop has also been foreseen over the Christmas period. The LHC will then run through to autumn next year, ensuring that the experiments have adequate data to carry out their first new physics analyses and have results to announce in 2010. The new schedule also permits the possible collisions of lead ions in 2010.
'This new schedule represents a delay of six weeks with respect to the previous schedule, which foresaw the LHC "cold [sic?????] at the beginning of July". The cause of this delay is due to several factors such as implementation of a new enhanced protection system for the busbar and magnet splices; installation of new pressure-relief valves to reduce the collateral damage in case of a repeat [explosion] incident; application of more stringent safety constraints [no more drinking contests in the tunnel]; and scheduling constraints associated with helium transfer [because the scientists can't resist making their voices sound funny] and storage.'
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'This new schedule represents a delay of six weeks with respect to the previous schedule, which foresaw the LHC "cold [sic?????] at the beginning of July".
Nothing wrong with that sentence. The LHC runs at 4 degrees Kelvin (or -269 degrees celsius). It takes weeks to cool it to that temperature so if the goal is "cold at the beginning of July" that means everything is sealed up (no more human access) and they start cooling by the beginning of June.
--Atlantix
Launch?! (Score:4, Funny)
Saving money (Score:2)
Well, I guess that despite the cost of these repairs, they will be saving money off their electricity bill [ieee.org].
One extra year... (Score:3, Funny)
I have stopped paying my life insurance already because in a year I may be dead but there will also be no-one left behind to pay out the policy.
Or to receive it for that matter.
accountability and blame (Score:2)
Cern had also said new protection systems would be added as part of £14m repairs.
It blamed the shutdown on the failure of a single, badly soldered electrical connection in one of its super-cooled magnet sections.
I wonder if there was a headhunt for the oaf with the soldering iron that cost them £14m ?
Logical conclusion (Score:2)
Looking at the only useful thing to have come out of the LHC project so far, I predict it's just delays in the production of the video clip for their new rap song.
world gant afford big science anymore (Score:2)
Redesigning the protection systems (Score:2)
All this was discussed back in December. The LHC staff had been arguing over whether to go for a quick fix or a major redesign of the magnet protection systems and liquid helium pressure relief valves, and the new CERN director decided to go for the major redesign. Good move. Otherwise this would probably happen again in the years to come.
It's a big fix. Most of the magnets have to be physically moved along the tunnel to the lift shaft, brought to the surface, overhauled, checked out, and returned to
September 13th, 2009? (Score:2)
OK, 10 years late... but
"This Episode... This Episode.... This Episode..."
Rock music, explosions, Eagle spacecraft spinning, Martin Landau... Barbara Bain....
First post! (Score:2)
This will on having been the first post, if my calculations will be correct.
The LHC may never work (Score:2)
There are two theories for why the LHC can never work.
The first is because as soon as they turn it on, it does something bad that destroys the earth and possibly the universe. But the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is true, so the universe constantly splits and we live on in the branches where the LHC fails to operate due to some coincidence or other.
The second theory is that the LHC will generate Higgs particles in quantity, but due to some unusual quantum properties of such particles, the
Re:NO (Score:5, Funny)
September 2008? Its 2009 you fucking idiots.
No, the Large Hadron Collider already provoke a Time-Space anomaly.
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Re:NO (Score:5, Informative)
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No, the Large Hadron Collider already provoke a Time-Space anomaly.
A guy walked into the Chicago campus where the particle accelerator sits in December, 2001 and proclaimed he was from the future. "I'm here to warn you, we built a device called the Large Hadron Collider that's bigger than the one in Chicago. When we turned it on it momentarily generated a black hole and a spacetime anomoly, and I got caught in the anomoly. I have to give you some details to prevent the error."
The fellow says "That's interesting but it's hard to believe. How could I tell you're from the future? What's going to happen in the next few years?"
"Well, the next President will be a black man who went to a Muslim school as a child, and and his middle name is Hussein. In 2008 we'll not only still be at war in Afghanistan, but we'll be at war in Iraq too."
"Look buddy, I can almost swallow that time travel stuff but the rest of it is unbelievable bullshit."
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(Not original, but I can't remember where I heard it.)
Mod parent up (Score:5, Funny)
Listen pal, it ain't as easy as you would think to do things as they are done here. You people keep whining about us not reviewing the submissions before they come in, and so we finally get around to doing it, and you troll about it. So what if it took five months to review the submission? That's a LOT better than not reviewing it at all, right?
Sheesh!
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You do, of course, realise that the user with the name "kdawson (3715)" and the user id 1344097 is not the same as the user (and editor) with the name "kdawson" and the user id 3715...
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You do, of course, realise that the user with the name "kdawson (3715)" and the user id 1344097 is not the same as the user (and editor) with the name "kdawson" and the user id 3715...
Nice catch! I was fooled, to tell you the truth. I happen to know that /. editors do go through the comments to the stories they post, usually to mod down posts with the words "goatse" or "nigger" in them.
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I think they should both be sacked, just to be sure.
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Perhaps you could elaborate? Many of us do difficult jobs and still know what year it is.
See that big shiny thing outside your window that keeps track of days and months and years? People in their parent's basement don't have that luxury.
Re:NO (Score:5, Funny)
They're living backwards in time, dude. They think that the year of Linux on the Desktop was^H^H^Hwill be 1972.
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You should have said 1969 so we could make some stack underflow jokes.
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Credibility of that guy aside, the whole tal
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They think that the year of Linux on the Desktop was^H^H^Hwill be 1972
Yes, but how would that properly be expressed in the Future Semi-Conditionally Modified Subinverted Plagal Past Subjunctive Intentional form?
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Hard to notice the years passing by in the cellar.
Damn, yet another year as virgin!
(I to was wondering if it happened to be an old article which some idiot had posted, but LHC isn't that old I thought... But well, turned out it was just an idiot who wrote the dates.)
Re:NO (Score:5, Funny)
I'm really slipping, I wrote 1908 on a check today, instead of 1909.
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But well, turned out it was just an idiot who wrote the dates
You don't have to be an idiot to make a typoo.
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I was partly joking/just following the same line. And it was three dates which was all one year wrong.
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"omg, it's 2009, not 2008"
*replace first occurrence of 2008 with 2009, that should do it!*
Yeah, I don't get how they couldn't figure out whatever person posted it was 1 year off the whole time. It's not like there isn't 100 replies pointing it out for them .. Also, if they don't know shit about the LHC shouldn't they turn in their geek card and get the hell out of Slashdot anyway? =P
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He said fucking idiots, so not modded up? (Score:3, Funny)
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stop yelling at them... I still mess up the whole 2008/2009 thing.Its only febuary
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Is that before or after February?
Re:NO (Score:5, Funny)
Please mind your language. What you meant to say was: "It's 2009 you fucking idiot." (singular). kdawson is indeed a fucking idiot; the other "editors" aren't necessarily fucking idiots by extension.
I mean, they are, but we have to retain some sense of relative scale. They employ kdawson in much the same way that a bunch of plain girls always take a really fat, ugly one out with them to make them look better by comparison.
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I'd rather the EU was spending my tax euros on something... like a new generation of nuclear reactors
And don't you suppose the additional knowledge the LHC might provide would help us build better, more efficient reactors?
Yet! (Score:2)
Even stepping down a few orders of magnitude, it's not like the Gel-Mann model of quarks and the unified Standard Model from the 60s have any real-world impact.
You are missing the entire point. The Standard Model and quarks have not had practical applications YET. 100 years ago you could have made the exact same argument about quantum mechanics being purely curiosity for its own sake. Our understanding of that has lead to silicon transistors, NMR imaging (MRI), nuclear power etc. Of course it took 50+ years for those applications to appear. Already particle physics has medical applications: use of hadronic showers to kill brain tumours. Who knows what we applicat
Re:Every night (Score:5, Insightful)
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Actually, a good businessman knows that money spent in the past is gone. There is nothing you can do about that. What happened in the past shouldn't dictate the decisions you are making right now.
If we discovered right now that continuing with the LHC would be fruitless, then we should stop the project and stop spending money on it, regardless of how much it has cost us in the past.
Of course this is not the case, and I agree that not performing research using the LHC would be extremely silly.
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Well, yeah, but they didn't build the LHC accidentally.
They still need an accelerator bigger than the ones already running for the same reason they did before it broke. Just as someone who, presumably, wasn't driving (or owning) a car by accident when they got a flat tire. And the cheapest way to achieve those goals (better understanding of particle physics) is to fix the LHC.
And anyway, you don't need to drive, you can just walk, or take a bus, or ride a bicycle. Which is the analogous physical alternative
Interesting reaction, but wrong (Score:3, Insightful)
Now let's dispense with your other analogy. I know the (mostly under 30s) posting on Slashdot don't like my argument (troll? I think not) but I have actually had P&L responsibility for some serious manufacturing plant, and I think I know more about this than you do.
Your analogy
If so, please explain (Score:2)
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Because people who don't share your attitude exist.
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So, you're angry (Score:3, Insightful)
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positron emission tomography (PET scans)
I'm on my way to work, but it's short sighted to say that since there's not something we'll get out in 5-10 years, it's not worth doing. The whole idea behind science is to discover new ideas. If you don't look, you can't find it.
Dates back to the 1950s (Score:2)
Re:Dates back to the 1950s (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's rock-
Superconducting wires were a little-used oddity until the Tevatron (at Fermilab) caused enough demand to cause them to be commercially feasible to purchase a lot of it. After Tevatron got the wire it needed for magnets, GE (and others) used the newly developed manufacturing capacity to produce MRI machines. The research into superconducting wires and magnets has led to maglev trains and is being used to replace transmission lines in some instances (New York has a liquid nitrogen cooled superconducting transmission line). They're close to getting a formulation that doesn't use Yittrium (which is expensive). Considering ~half of the energy produced in a power plant (like your coal plants) are lost to resistive losses in transmission lines, it's good news for energy production.
A number of accelerators use their beams for clinical applications. (Usually by bombarding patients with ridiculously high fluxes of neutrons). Many accelerators use their beams to activate radioactive materials which are then later used in cancer treatment.
All the detectors used in high energy physics have _tons_ of uses ranging from medical applications to non-invasive scanning of cargo. Antineutrino detectors are used to verify that the cores of nuclear reactors haven't been tampered with.
By using ultra-sensitive detectors looking at flourescent bubbles, we've been able to fix many errors in our ideas of fluid dynamics. These detectors would've been unfeasible without the research performed to produce an accelerator.
Most of those things are things that were tangential to the actual goal of finding out the deeper mysteries of the universe, but just because people aren't going to build something out of the higgs boson, doesn't make the research worthless. If you looked at someone a while ago bombarding different metals with different wavelength X-Rays and called them an idiot, then you would've shut down the theory of electron bandgaps, the application of which is the foundation of all our modern conveniences.
anyway, back to work.
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Are you kidding? Them puppies are great for cheap manual labor!
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Yes, what a pity nobody thought of that. [wikipedia.org]
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Moderation is for particular comments only. Mods can't kill an entire discussion, last I checked. /..
Something like you suggest would make the Wikipedia Wars look puny compared to the howls of indignation and protest on
In this case, whomever is wearing the "daddypants" is holding the bag, so to speak.
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because it's not outdated news..
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I can understand the poster making one typo, afterall, 8 IS next to 9, but three typos seems a bit extreme
Well, at least they were consistent.
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No, you're the 41,401st, and 832nd on Slashdot (Score:2)
Exhibit B [google.com]