A Step Toward an Invisibility Cloak 197
Technology Review has a writeup on the latest advance in the lab towards an invisibility cloak made of metamaterials, described this week in Science. We've been following this technology since the beginning. The breakthrough is software that lets researchers design materials that are both low-loss and wideband. "The cloak that the researchers built works with wavelengths of light ranging from about 1 to 18 gigahertz — a swath as broad as the visible spectrum. No one has yet made a cloaking device that works in the visible spectrum, and those metamaterials that have been fabricated tend to work only with narrow bands of light. But a cloak that made an object invisible to light of only one color would not be of much use. Similarly, a cloaking device can't afford to be lossy: if it lets just a little bit of light reflect off the object it's supposed to cloak, it's no longer effective. The cloak that Smith built is very low loss, successfully rerouting almost all the light that hits it."
Why not let a bit through? (Score:5, Insightful)
Similarly, a cloaking device can't afford to be lossy: if it lets just a little bit of light reflect off the object it's supposed to cloak, it's no longer effective.
Why would that be no longer effective? If the cloak reroutes 90% of the light, then you're left with 10% opacity, right? Sure, something that translucent would be very difficult to see, especially from a distance.
Re:Why not let a bit through? (Score:5, Funny)
Why would that be no longer effective? If the cloak reroutes 90% of the light, then you're left with 10% opacity, right? Sure, something that translucent would be very difficult to see, especially from a distance.
The Predator still got his ass shot up good with that hand-held vulcan gun, because the soldier saw the 10% of light that he couldn't cloak.
Re:Why not let a bit through? (Score:5, Funny)
Why would that be no longer effective? If the cloak reroutes 90% of the light, then you're left with 10% opacity, right? Sure, something that translucent would be very difficult to see, especially from a distance.
The Predator still got his ass shot up good with that hand-held vulcan gun, because the soldier saw the 10% of light that he couldn't cloak.
Yes, but if you look at it from a D&D point of view, you get a 90% miss chance, which is a game-breaking advantage.
Re:Why not let a bit through? (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, but if you look at it from a D&D point of view, you get a 90% miss chance, which is a game-breaking advantage.
I put on my robe and wizard hat.
Re:Why not let a bit through? (Score:4, Funny)
I put on my cloak and tinfoil hat.
There, fixed that for you. ;)
Re:Why not let a bit through? (Score:5, Informative)
For those of you who have wondered where the "robe and wizard hat" thing came from:
http://bash.org/?104383 [bash.org]
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Nah, if you have a cross-dressing fetish you should advertise it. Yeah most women will be offput, but there will be a fair number who like guys in dresses too. In fact, thats how most of the sexual crossdressers I know *got* the fetish in the first place.
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I don't think it's working.
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Except that full concealment or invisibility only grants you 50% miss chance and you can't gain more than that.
Learn the rules!
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ah, Slashdot. :D
D&D rule nitpicking is "informative".
acoustic radar will find em (Score:2, Interesting)
If its in range, just do a sonar type at high freq, and you are bound to map something.
California > Minnesota (Score:4, Funny)
Why would that be no longer effective? If the cloak reroutes 90% of the light, then you're left with 10% opacity, right? Sure, something that translucent would be very difficult to see, especially from a distance.
The Predator still got his ass shot up good with that hand-held vulcan gun, because the soldier saw the 10% of light that he couldn't cloak.
That's what you get for pissing off Jesse "the future Governor of Minnesota" Ventura.
Cloaking device or not.
Re:California Minnesota (Score:2)
Yea but you can only shoot that thing hand held like that if you're a beefy guy in his prime and the gun is firing reduced power pyrotechnic blanks and you limit the belt to 100 rounds.
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Funny? (Score:3, Funny)
I fail to see what is so funny about that.
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It's all a mix up when the told the geeks "makes me an invisible cloak"
They made the cloak invisible meaning that when you put it on you can see under the cloak.
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It is a misconception thinking you are 10% opacity. This is because the meta material bends light depending on frequency. So you will experience a hue shift under the circumstance where not all frequency are covered. In simpler term, you'll appear to be bright red or bright violet due to that 10%. That effectively turns you into a gigantic painted target that screams "shoot me!"
FUUUU (Score:5, Informative)
Direct link please!
http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/21971/?a=f [technologyreview.com]
Garbage javascript broke for me and the page didn't get past a white page.
Re:FUUUU (Score:5, Funny)
It's not broke... it's cloaked!
Re:FUUUU (Score:5, Funny)
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Try this one: http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/21971/page1/ [technologyreview.com].
Replace page1 with page2 to get to the second page if you have further problems :)
Blindness (Score:5, Insightful)
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Invisible man stories have always bothered me because of this. How does he see if his retina and various eye structures are invisible? H. G. Wells addressed this to a limited extent.
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Yea, GPS currently uses 2 frequencies (eventually a third will be used too).
The frequencies used are:
F1: 1575.42 MHz
F2: 1227.6 MHz
(new frequency, not transmitted yet)
F3: 1176.45 MHz
So theoretically this new cloak would be invisible to these frequencies.
Re:Blindness (Score:5, Funny)
1 to 18 gigahertz (Score:2)
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You must be thinking of the 16k visual spectrum. This is referring to the Spectrum 128k.
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That's wavelength, not frequency...
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As long as the wavelength is not double at one end, it's not going to be a full octave.
wavelength = length (Score:5, Informative)
frequency is in hertz.
wavelength is a length, so it will be in meters or feet or inches or volkswagen bugs.
that is all. </pedantic>
Re:wavelength = length (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:wavelength = length (Score:5, Funny)
Not for those of us who don't live in a vacuum, you insensitive clod!
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Not for those of us who don't live in a vacuum, you insensitive clod!
C is still constant. C is the speed of light _in_a_vacuum_ not the speed of light in your parent's basement. And by the way I am a clod, you insensitive pedantic.
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There, fixed that for you.
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Thanks, I never did know what the noun was. I knew that I come here for _something_.
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Well what if I was saying it's not "easy to calculate wavelength," because even though c remains constant I can't actually use it to calculate wavelength since I'm not in a vacuum? What if THAT?
Also, it's lower-case "c," and how DARE you call me pedantic! ;-)
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Th refractive index of the material does _not_ depend on the frequency of the light wave, even though different frequencies refract at different angles (think prism). The refractive index depends upon the molecular structure of the material (and temperature to a point). Then, precise refraction can be calculated based upon the refractive index of the entering material, the exit material, and the frequency.
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No, the refractive index does depend on the frequency for dispersive media, which are effectively all real media. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispersion_(optics) [wikipedia.org] and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractive_index [wikipedia.org] . Different frequencies have different phase velocities in a given dispersive medium and thus different refractive indices (see chart in "refractive index" link)
Also you can't do the calculation you describe for different frequencies unless you take into account the Abbe number of the material.
h [wikipedia.org]
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Thank you, I did not know about the Abbe number. In the physics classes that I had taken, we had never encountered that. I do appreciate the fix.
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Its funny how you are so pendantic yet so wrong. C is not the speed of light in a vacuum. You are thinking of c.
You are right, I choose to use the capital as I was beginning the sentence with it. Thanks.
Re:wavelength = length (Score:5, Funny)
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Given the radius of a circle you can calculate its area, but that doesn't mean they're the same thing or that you can use them interchangeably. Convertibility is not equivalence, and the article as written is wrong.
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Uh, it's fun?
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Perhaps if enough people complain the quality of the editing might go up?
What's the point in defending incompetent writers, other than to try and show off that you remember some basic physics that, incidentally, everybody knows?
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VW bugs are a unit of mass.
invisibility schmisibility (Score:5, Funny)
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NSFW: http://tinyurl.com/9hn2ba [tinyurl.com]
It would not make any difference... (Score:2)
...to a blind person.
What? Blind people need their porn too.
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Invisibility cloak bullshit again (Score:5, Interesting)
Metamaterials are interesting enough _whithout_ that stupid invisibility shit everytime.
I mean, lenses without diffration limit are also interesting. And opposed to the inisibility stuff, they might really work.
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The 'invisibility cloak' thing is right up there with 'teleportation'. Every time someone manages to 'teleport' the state of a single subatomic particle, we get a bunch of articles likening the process to Star Trek teleporters.
Do ANY of the researchers involved in these things really expect them to have invisibility or teleportation capabilities at macro scales someday? I was under the impression that neither of them had any relevance at larger scales, and while I could be wrong, it seems like the media j
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Soundproofing [technologyreview.com] seems far more relatable. Wrap something in an acoustic cloak, and it stops being there acoustically, and inside is perfect silence.
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Acoustic "invisibility" cloaks may interest submariners.
Re:Invisibility cloak bullshit works! (Score:2)
...I mean, lenses without *diffration* limit are also interesting. And opposed to the *inisibility* stuff, they might really work...
The device DOES work: At least one 'c' and a 'v' are succesfully cloaked! Of course you DID type them...
At last! (Score:5, Funny)
Now I can see what happens inside the Girls' dorm!
Giggity-giggity-goo.
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Now I can see what happens inside the Girls' dorm!
Who needs a cloak for that? [yikers.com]
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More dorm room kissing please. I like young libertines.
"Coming soon to a sticky theater near you, Harry Potter and the Seven Sexy Spells!"
RON: "But Harry we can't go in the girl's dorm. We're gonna get in trouble."
HARRY:"Shush Ron. This is important. Look there's Hermione in her underwear."
RON: "What's Victoria's Secret?"
HARRY:"You really are clueless aren't you?"
RON: (blinks) "I never knew Hermione was so... large. Wow. Like two grapefruits!"
HARRY:"I've been helping her with engorgement spe
NOT Invisibility Cloak: RADAR Cloak (Score:4, Interesting)
Is it just me, or would this stuff work VERY well as a RADAR cloaking device?
1-18 GHz is solidly in the microwave (millimeter-wave RADAR anyone?) range...
Re:NOT Invisibility Cloak: RADAR Cloak (Score:5, Insightful)
Sigh, here we go again! Radars and optical vision do not work in remotely the same way. Creating invisibility in the two different realms is a completely different problem.
In most vision situations there are two critical factors which don't occur in the great majority of radars. The first is illumination of the target from angles other than the viewing angle (OK, there are bistatic radars, but they are not common) and the other is a background which is illuminated. Try to think about this for just a few moments. Why can't we all make ourselves invisible just by wearing matt black clothing? Well, obviously because we will stand out against the background unless we happen to be standing in front of black wall or wandering around in a coal mine. The whole point of the fictional 'invisibility cloak' is that it works in all circumstances. We can already be invisible in certain carefully controlled environments, that after all is what camouflage is all about.
But, a radar is rather like wandering about in the above mentioned coal mine, or perhaps a dark forest with a miner's lamp fixed to your head. The background is basically black and the illumination comes from the viewing direction. In this scenario, someone dress entirely in black would be effectively invisible. And that is the key point to grasp. In the world or radar we can achieve invisibility simply by making sufficiently 'black' 'paint'. The weird ability of these meta-materials to allow the illumination to pass through the target un-disturbed is of no benefit. Since we don't have a receiver on the other side of the target to detect this energy it isn't relevant. Now, sure, we can all dream up complex bistatic radars which rely on the obscuration of the signal to detect the target, but I remain to be convinced that such a thing can be made sufficiently versatile to be useful.
Can I stress that I am not suggesting the these meta-materials don't have an application in the world of radar. They seem to me to be particularly useful where one wants to remove a fixed object which obscures the view of your radar. For example, consider a radar on a ship. It may well find that in some directions its view is obscured by other parts of the superstructure. If the could cover these other bits of the ship with meta-materials such that the radar pulses could pass 'through' and back again undisturbed, then our radar's field of view would be increased. Such an application would work perfectly well with even the relatively narrow band materials presented previously.
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Either completely absorbing or allowing the RADAR waves to pass by undisturbed are equally valuable for RADAR cloaking. The key issue is how little of the radio waves are reflected. I'm not sure which will be more viable in the future, but sufficiently absorptive paint and structures are the winners for now.
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The key issue is how little of the radio waves are reflected.
Indeed, I couldn't agree more, and this is a property which rarely seems to be mentioned in meta-material discussions. Supposing that such a material passed 95% of the energy undisturbed and only reflected 5%. I think that this would rightly be regarded as an excellent technical achievement, and after all some glass isn't that good, but it would seem to be of limited military value. As we know from the radar equation's R^4 term, this will only reduce detection range by a little more than 50%, and you can
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And with the new chinese technology, for which I can't find a link, that is a problem. They have found a way to look for momentary interruptions in consumer elecronics' signals to find a stealth aircraft. It has already been masively deployed with the excuse that it is used for censorship.
from TFA (Score:5, Funny)
"Now [that] this is becoming a more feasible technology, we will start to see a lot more of it."
Heh, i thought the goal was to see a lot less of it :)
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof (Score:2)
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Actually, all claims require adequate support for provisional acceptance. Differing standards for differing claims derives from the concept of canon which has more of a place in religion than science.
I agree it would have been nice if they'd included a demonstration vid.
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all claims require adequate support for provisional acceptance
I think those that tested the hell out of relativity in the early 20th century would disagree with you. When something is so out of the ordinary or flies so much in the face of conventional wisdom, it will be tested more than something which merely "builds" on an existing concept.
You may be right, but in your purist logical thinking you are denying a fundamental attribute of humans.
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"one color" (whatever that means)
A basic understanding of the spectrum (and absolutely no RTFA on my behalf) would suggest that they mean one colour of the spectrum. So if they can cloak, say, the red spectrum, you'd show up looking a different colour than your normal sort.
Imagine looking at some purple paper and then removing the red visibility/light from it. Is it still purple to your eyes?
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Yyeah, I'd be more inclined to see this as more than an investor-grab opportunity if they even showed a single picture of SOMETHING. And that "picture" of the nano-structure close-up doesn't count.
I mean, couldn't they have at least wrapped a tiny piece of this material around a pencil or something to show that you can barely see the wrapped portion?
Like C'mon... seriously.
Scientist: Amazing news people! We've developed this material to be a THOUSAND times better than in the past! It's absolutely phenomi
No Photo No Talk! (Score:4, Funny)
I look forward to the photo of the prototype.
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"But a cloak that made an object invisible... (Score:3, Insightful)
...to light of only one color would not be of much use."
It would be exceptionally useful if that colour was infra-red.
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But most of the detectors, say for body-heat in a battle zone, detect emissions within an extremely narrow range.
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As I said in reply to a similar objection, the infra-red detectors used, say, to detect body heat on a battlefield, are only sensitive to a very narrow band within that range. All you need to do is match that band.
Why all the work? (Score:3, Informative)
I don't see why they're overdoing this so much. I've been able to become invisible for a long time--all I have to do is cover my eyes!
Try it today!
Not much use? Why, I oughta... (Score:2)
But a cloak that made an object invisible to light of only one color would not be of much use.
Tell that to the Green Lantern, you insensitive clod!
Rob
18 GHZ is NOT the width of the visible specturm (Score:5, Informative)
7000 -> f = lambda/c -> 4.28275E+14
5000 -> f = lambda/c -> 5.99585E+14
Difference -> 1.713E+14 Hz -> 1.713E5 GHZ
About 171,000 GHZ not 17
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That was some confusing math. First of all 1 Angstrom is 10^-10. you're thinking nm. And the equation should be:
f = c/lambda
I guess you meant that as the frequencies come out correctly.
perfection (Score:2)
Submitter needs to re-check his assumptions.
Why should an "invisbility cloak" only be useful if it works 100%? Camouflage is being used in pretty much every war, and it's far from perfect. A cloak that "leaks" could still be great in low-light or reduced visibility settings. It doesn't have to be "perfect" to be useful. The stealth fighters aren't really radar-invisible, either. Just very difficult to detect, and for most settings that's good enough.
Vehicles don't care about weight (Score:2)
I don't understand the focus on clothes here. Obviously, vehicles would be the first targets. And, vehicles don't care about weight, that much.
The sentence above is wrong (Score:5, Informative)
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Let's do a little math.
Visible light is roughly from 380 to 750 nm, which corresponds to frequencies of 400 to 790 THz. That's a bandwidth of 390 THz.
The article says the thingamajig in question operates over "wavelengths of light ranging from about 1 to 18 gigahertz", which I'm going to assume means frequencies from 1 to 18 GHz, which comes to a bandwidth of 17 Ghz.
390 THz / 17 GHz = 22,941.1765.
So, the visible light spectrum represents a bandwidth of only a bit more than four orders of magnitude more tha
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Yep, that's the one. Frequencies should be thought of logarithmically. You can use the musical concept of octaves in this case. 1-18 GHz is about 4.17 octaves, whereas 400-750 THz is about 0.9 octaves.
Re:One color invisibility certainly could be of us (Score:5, Funny)
...and I ain't an engineer.
I bet you've a schoolteacher.
Re:One color invisibility certainly could be of us (Score:5, Informative)
Bah, "ain't" is a perfectly valid contraction for "am not", and has been since at least 1706. (See http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=ain't&searchmode=none [etymonline.com]) Proscriptionists object to it largely because it's often used for "is not", or "are not", which was seen as somehow "perverting" the English language.
In fact, though, "ain't" has been used that way since at least the 19th century.
About the worst that you can say of "ain't" is that it's inappropriate for a formal register, but so are most contractions.
Cheers,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Pedant
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Your Friendly Neighborhood Pedant
Ah, I see oxymorons are still okay.
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"banished from correct English" is properly interpreted as a snide remark, since there's no such thing as "correct English".
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"But a cloak that made an object invisible to light of only one color would not be of much use." If the color corresponded closely with the wavelength of laser weapons resistant/protective eye-wear could be developed of such materials.
We have simpler and cheaper absorptive filters for that already. But, making it invisible to the IR lasers used for laser rangefinders could come in handy, although it wouldn't take long to train tank crews to lase something next to the tank rather than the tank itself.
Maybe you could make it wideband enough to defeat IR heat sensitive cameras. That would be interesting. Would it look like an absolute zero patch rather than a hot engine? Probably wouldn't take long to reprogram the missiles to home in o
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