Coffee Can Reduce the Risk of Alzheimer's 242
Amenacier writes "Recent studies by Finnish and Swedish researchers have shown that drinking moderate amounts of coffee can reduce the risk of Alzheimer's disease in people. The reason for this is as yet unknown, although it has been hypothesized that the high levels of antioxidants found in coffee may play a role in preventing dementia and Alzheimer's. Alternatively, some studies have shown that coffee can protect nerves, which may help prevent Alzheimer's. Other studies have shown that coffee may also help to protect against diabetes, another disease which has been shown to have links to Alzheimer's disease. However, researchers warn against drinking too much coffee, as 3 cups or more may cause hallucinations."
Damn.... (Score:5, Funny)
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A couple days back Slashdot also posted an article on how just 3 cups of coffee can affect the mind by also creating delusions.
Not all delusions are of the "I must be in an alternate universe" type. Some are far more subtle, and may just have the effect of an error in judgment.
Joke. (Score:5, Funny)
An old couple both have Alzheimers. They're watching TV and an advert for a burger joint comes on.
"Hey," the man says, "burgers would be great! Could you make some? I'd like lettuce, tomatoes and onions on mine. Don't forget! Lettuce. Tomatoes. Onions."
Wife replies "Lettuce, tomatoes and onions. Got it. Lettuce, tomatoes and onions."
About 2 hours later she comes out of the kitchen and hands him a plate of bacon and eggs. "You idiot," he cries, "you forgot the toast!"
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Sleep (Score:3, Insightful)
Drink moderately and don't forget to rest. I wonder if this correlation is caused by the coffee?
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Drink moderately and don't forget to rest.
I can't seem to do both of these, either I drink moderately and fall asleep mid-sentence or I drink to to keep myself awake and spend the night reading slashdot and writing code.
But after yesterday's post about caffeine induced hallucinations I decided to slack off on coffee and now I wonder where all my friends have gone, at least i can still write... zzz
Best news ever! (Score:5, Funny)
Damned if you do, Damned if you don't (Score:5, Interesting)
Now I'll be able to remember all of those awesome hallucinations I've been having!
Forget the hallucination stuff. Look at the spider web studies.
Various studies have been done giving drugs to spiders, and using their webs as evidence of the effects. My family doctor has a poster of these webs in his offices to show patients what these substances can do to you, and I think most people would be shocked at how extremely the spiders were affected by caffeine, which you can see in this photo [substation.co.nz].
My wife's mother has Alzheimer's, and she lives with us, so I'm acutely aware of what it does to people, and heavy doses of caffeine is definitely the lesser of two evils here. But it will still be nice to have a treatment that doesn't have it's own harsh side effects.
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Also, caffeine is used by plants as a pesticide vs insects so it may affect spiders more than humans even on a per body weight dose. Though spiders aren't insects I won't be surprised if they are closer to insects than humans are when it comes to caffeine.
Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't (Score:5, Insightful)
Various studies have been done giving drugs to spiders, and using their webs as evidence of the effects. My family doctor has a poster of these webs in his offices to show patients what these substances can do to you,
I'd agree with that. I had a couple of cups the other day, and my web turned out completely crap - didn't catch any flies either. You know, not all of us have been bitten by a radioactive spider or are in any other way closely related to spiders. You'd be better off warning people off chocolate by showing pictures of dead dogs - at least they're mammals.
Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't (Score:5, Funny)
You should have linked to the video version [youtube.com] instead.
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No matter what your mother-in-law says, you're not an insect. It is an insecticide of sorts and is a useful way for the plant to prevent insect problems. Caffeine has very different effects on humans.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffiene [wikipedia.org]
And better yet, read: The World of Caffeine: The Science and Culture of the World's Most Popular Drug
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No, you'll just hallucinate that you can remember the awesome hallucinations.
Remembering Hallucinations (Score:3, Funny)
Sweet! (Score:2)
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Nope, life has something much worse for us caffeine addicted people, parkinson.
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Combine these results with the protective effect of cannabis [bbc.co.uk], and I must be damn near immune.
This reminds me... (Score:2, Insightful)
of the people who claim that "wine" is good for you one glass a day. Fools! Its not the wine, its stuff from the grapes, which mind you are also present in fresh grapes, rasins, and grape juice. Wine gets the props though cause then it makes people feel better about getting drunk every night.
Same here, ya there might be a few healthy tidbits, but the negatives far out weight the health benifits.
Re:This reminds me... (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, you're wrong. ANY alcohol, in moderation, has the same effect.
The flavinoids in grapes are also benefisial, but any alcohol "just works."
Teetotalers die younger than those who consume moderate amounts of alcohol.
Re:This reminds me... (Score:4, Interesting)
Which is great for me. They've been telling me for years that I'm overdoing things. meh Drink a few beers, lower stress levels, drink coffee all day at the keyboard, eat only when I'm hungry. Exercise now and then. Stay away from pharmaceuticals. Normal sorts of stuff. Dreams? Hallucinations? Sleep problems? Not me, and I can sleep anywhere. Dreams are good, hate the recursive ones where you dream you woke up, but it's all good.
I knew if I waited long enough there would be a study that showed what I do is not only not bad for me, but in all likelihood good for me. Shame that one study about semen preventing cervical cancer if taken orally was fake!
Re:This reminds me... (Score:4, Insightful)
The worst part is that we've had several generations of misinformation about the "evils of drink" because of religious zealots who accepted the backing of the Women's Christian Temperance Union [wikipedia.org].
We still see their effect today with churches that use grape juice instead of wine for communion:
coffee and religion... with a link! (Score:3, Insightful)
Coffee as a means of grace [bible.org]
In answer to the tradition of Christmas, I don't think many Christians would say that Christ was born on 25 December, rather that they wanted to celebrate his incarnation as a human and figured a midwinter date was as good as any (with about as much ev
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We know it wasn't in December. "Shepherds watched their flock by night." Definitely not the winter, and the most likely date was 6 B.C., which made all the people who went nuts about "the rapture will happen in 2000" really look stupid, since 1994 would have been the "real" date.
. . . as opposed to that great holiday Hallowe'en, where people can party on in complete anonymity
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Good thing you didn't dream you were on the toilet and decide it was a good time to lay some trans-oceanic cable.
Re:This reminds me... (Score:5, Insightful)
The benefits of alcohol depend on which specialist you talk to. A cardiologist might recommend it because the alcohol tends to reduce plaque build up in the arteries. A gastroenterologist will tell you to avoid it because metabolizing alcohol leads to fatty build-up in the liver. The neurologists tell you that it kills your nerve cells.
What this all means depends on your body chemistry. If you come from a family with a history of heart trouble, the alcohol might help keep that under control. Sure you'll get some fat build up in the liver, but your body can cope with that. Someone with a history of degenerative neurological disorders might want to shy away from it.
Most things in medicine are trade-offs and affect people differently.
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We now know that the "alcohol kills nerve cells" is wrong in low doses. The "100,000 brain cells per drink" is a myth. As for the fatty buildup in the liver, that's also related only to *over-consumption*, so there's no downside to moderate consumption, and a definite set of benefits.
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Teetotalers die younger than those who consume moderate amounts of alcohol.
...which may have absolutely nothing to do with alcohol.
People who avoid alcohol completely may also be more uptight, more prone to stress, less able to relax, etc, etc. THAT may be why they die earlier and it has nothing to do with the fact that they didn't do shots with their buddies last Friday.
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Same here, ya there might be a few healthy tidbits, but the negatives far out weight the health benifits.
Actually, that's not true, unless you can point out the negatives of drinking 175ml of red wine per day. Good luck, because they do that and more in countries with some of the highest life expectancies in Europe. The thing about food is that what is good for you is usually good for you in small amounts, but that what is bad for you is NOT usually bad for you in small amounts. All things in moderation, and there are very few of these 'negatives'. That's what they mean by a balanced diet.
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It is also the alcohol. Low to Moderate amounts of alcohol can have healthy effects as well; http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/10/1974569.htm [abc.net.au]. As long as you're not alcohol intolerant of course.
Re:This reminds me... (Score:5, Insightful)
If one glass of wine is getting you drunk, you should see a doctor immediately.
Re:This reminds me... (Score:4, Funny)
...if only to tell him he's your beeeeeestest frieeeeeeend. Hic.
Re:This reminds me... (Score:5, Funny)
No, you should sober up first.
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And what "stuff" are you talking about? Sugar? Water? Vitamins? How about giving us some information to back up your claims?
IIRC the alcohol consumption advice was something like "one 5 fluid ounce (150 ml) glass of red wine per day". If you're getting drunk on that then stop drinking.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/alcoholconsumption.html
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Therefore....
I need to drink a LOT of coffee during the day, and then switch to wine by late afternoon to counteract the jitteryness, and then finish with a good drunk so I can sleep at night with my system full of stimulant called caffeine?
BRILLIANT! I'll live forever!!!!
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One thing Americans always forget. Moderation (not in the terms of judging comments). ... Are all good for you with the correct Moderation. Be when we say X is good for you we rush to take as much X as possible as y is good for your y*z must be better.
Caffeine, Alcohol, Sugar, Carbohydrates, Meat, Fat, Salt,
A glass of wine a day is much different then getting drunk.
A small cup of coffee in the morning helpful to give you that little pickup wont cause your hart to fiburlate
A serving of cookies for a snack w
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Are all good for you with the correct Moderation.
I want to do more things in Moderation, but I only get 5 chances to do so and they expire after 3 days. Then it's back to 3 Whoppers a day for dinner!
Mod: -1 Flamebroiled
Re:This reminds me... (Score:4, Informative)
that's certainly a plausible explanation. i think the only way to know for sure is to determine the exact pharmacokinetics of the various active compounds found in alcoholic beverages. otherwise, you're just identifying health correlations of various lifestyle choices, which, of course, can be caused by any number of a vast and complex set of factors.
this is somewhat similar to the misconceptions held by a large segment of the public and medical community regarding the health effects of narcotics like heroin. heroin/diacetylmorphine is an exogenous opioid just like morphine, codeine, hydrocodone, and oxycodone. in potency it has a MEDD factor of somewhere between morphine and oxycodone (the active ingredient of OxyContin). and while the process of psychological addiction is highly complex, and there is still much to be learned about it, the general pharmacology and mechanism of action of opiates like morphine and diacetylmorphine are well understood.
however, after drug prohibition went into effect and the opiate-using demographic shifted from well to do upper-class whites like Benjamin Franklin, Thomas De Quincy, and Edgar Allen Poe, as well as other normal everyday people, to lower-class minorities and the poor/homeless, people began associating opiate usage--and especially heroin abuse--with a wide variety of detrimental health effects, including weight-loss, tooth decay, anemia, and general poor health.
this public perception was shaped by prohibitionist propaganda, what was portrayed in the media, and reinforced by the masses of drug addicts living in the streets. however, when physicians actually conducted research into the health effects of heroin use, they found that it caused none of these effects in normal healthy individuals. instead, they discovered that almost all of the negative health effects commonly attributed to heroin use was caused by concurrent use of other more physically harmful substances (like crack/cocaine/meth) or some other lifestyle factor, such as homelessness, poverty and years of living on the streets--and the resultant malnutrition, poor dental hygiene, and lack of medical care.
through empirical research it was discovered that heroin, just like any other opiate, has very little toxicity and isn't particularly harmful to one's body. it's not neurotoxic like alcohol, PCP, and stimulants such as cocaine & meth; it's not cardiotoxic like cocaine, meth, caffeine and other stimulants; and it's not hepatotoxic (liver-damaging) like alcohol and OTC painkillers such as APAP/acetaminophen (a.k.a. Tylenol)--which is the leading cause of liver damage & acute liver failure in western nations.
in fact, as a CNS depressant and hypotensive, heroin actually lower's one's blood pressure and can be therapeutic (or at least attenuate the cardiotoxicity of stimulants). instead of making people age faster the way that meth/coke/crack does, heroin abuse actually slows down aging, and oftentimes chronic users who start using at a young age can look like they haven't hit puberty even as they reach adulthood.
of course, since it's not socially acceptable like tobacco or alcohol use, and opiate dependence is considered a crime in our society, those that can lead functional lives on opiates keep their habit to themselves. so even though there are many doctors who are closet morphine addicts, or businessmen and lawyers who are pill poppers, it's generally the stereotypical gaunt & destitute-looking homeless heroin addicts that are the most visible to the public and consequently receive a disproportionate amount of media attention, leading to erroneous conclusions being drawn about the effects of chronic opiate use.
Hurry! (Score:5, Funny)
Better drink a whole bunch really fast. Next week, researchers will tell us it's bad again.
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I've had a bit of experience with the marriage of research and media, and it's pretty terrible. Research needs media in order to excite the public so that they in turn get more funding, but they have to excite the public by acquiescing to weak understanding of causality in the minds of the pe
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Coffee Cans? (Score:5, Funny)
coffee can reduce the risk of alzheimer's
coffee can protect nerves
I rtfa but it didn't say how to apply the Coffee Can!
(I save them you know. You never know when a coffee can will come in handy. But I didn't expect this!)
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I'm confused (Score:2)
Doesn't that amount fall into the "danger" range for hallucinations? I wonder if there's any relationship between the parts of the brain that would be responsible for hallucinating and the parts that cause Alzheimer's? Also, if coffee can help block damage caused by cholesterol, would meds like Lipitor do the same thing? If it's a matter of antioxidants, wouldn't taking decent amounts of Vitamin C (which has a relatively hig
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> Middle-aged people who drank between three and five cups of coffee a day ...
Doesn't that amount fall into the "danger" range for hallucinations? I
Hallucinations from 3-5 cups a day?? Either you are mistaken, or this is all a hallucination... wait, if this is a hallucination, than you never said that... oh, I am so confused.
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I remember reading a couple of years ago that India has the lowest incidence of Alzheimer's in the world. There's been some consideration that turmeric may have certain properties that can help stave off Alzheimer's.
Uhh...I bet Tea could do the same. (Score:2)
Yeah, I seem to remember that some forms of Tea is also high in Antioxidants. I'm sure you could switch and not have to suffer the negative side affects from drinking coffee. Maybe that's too simple though....
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Wwwwwhhhhaaaattt nneeggaattiivvveeee ssssidddeee eefffffeecttsss?
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I know you probably meant that to be like jittering while trying to type on the keyboard, but I imagined someone falling off a tall building, stuck in a deep well, or a cave.
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.. some forms of Tea is also high in Antioxidants.
Green Tea and White Tea, but I think the term bio-active components is more in place. Concentrations are dependent on the quality of tea as well and how it is prepared. Same goes for coffee.
speaking as someone who's experienced brain injury (Score:4, Interesting)
I would much rather have hallucinations than worsening memory loss. Hell, having to re-learn five times in a row that my mother has died was bad enough...
I have to point out... (Score:5, Funny)
However, researchers warn against drinking too much coffee, as 3 cups or more may cause hallucinations.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
-Loyal
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I'm pretty sure Java contributed to that video in one way or another.
Gout too (Score:2)
It's also been found effective against gout [eurekalert.org].
I submitted too late (Score:2)
But I wonder why "the age" was listed in this submission? I linked the AFP story from Yahoo news. There are a raft of newspapers to choiose this story from [google.com].
I guess the submitter was an Australian. But in any case, this study and the newspaper stories about it seem far above the "coffee makes you hallucinate". Hallucination is a sign of schitzophrenia.
A survey of one (me) backs up the anti-dementia study. I joke about forgetfulness, but I'm actually sharper than I was when I was young and drank less coffee.
Green tea (Score:3, Funny)
If cofee can do it, green tea probably can do it better with fewer side effects.
Time to sip another cup of green tea...
What's with the tags? (Score:2)
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The tags really are annoying. They seem to exist only to make knee-jerk statements and stupid jokes. Something dealing in some way with genetics? It will be tagged iamlegend and whatcouldpossiblygowrong within seconds, even if it's not manipulation of DNA but just a study showing a normal state of DNA.
If there is a typo or math error in the summary or title, that will be tagged 5 times. !Important.
One of many. Others are... (Score:5, Funny)
Hard drugs.
Hard liquor.
Smoking.
Jumping off tall buildings.
Stepping out in front of a bus.
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You forgot sex and rock and roll. Oh shit! You're already showing symptoms!
MWF "coffee good" TuThSa "coffee bad" (Score:2)
I'm addicted. At least I dont have to make up my mind.
Coffee (Score:2)
It didn't help my mother. She knocked back the coffee like a real pro. The operative words are "can reduce." I have a 50 50 chance of coming down with Alzheimer's. I'm doing what I can to protect myself, but I know "can reduce" means little compared to "will prevent."
Coffee's primary health benefit (Score:2)
I need more than 3 Cups (Score:2)
"3 cups or more may cause hallucinations."
So, I am hallucinating that I am awake?
it's all so logical (Score:2)
coffee is good for the brain. coffee causes hallucinations. peyote causes hallucinations. looks like I picked the wrong week to quit taking peyote!
LOL!! I can deal with hallucinations.... (Score:2, Funny)
caffeine stimulates the mind/brain (Score:3, Interesting)
Coffee Can Reduce the Risk of Alzheimer's (Score:3, Funny)
Caffeine gave me scary tremors (Score:3, Informative)
I can vouch for the dangers of too much caffeine.
I accidentally started drinking a lot more caffeine than usual, and after a while, I started having worse and worse tremors. My hands would shake. The day I went to see my doctor about it, I had to concentrate furiously to get my hand steady enough to sign my signature at the front desk.
We didn't know what was going on. I was certain it wasn't the coffee I was drinking, because coffee had never been a problem for me before. My doctor gave me some tests, and told me he was sure it wasn't anything scary (Parkinson's disease or something). He recommended I start taking magnesium supplements.
I took the magnesium and it helped right away! Then over time the tremors started to get worse again. I was starting to get scared.
My doctor sent me to a neurologist. I decided to cut out all coffee for a week or so before visiting the neurologist; I was still certain coffee wasn't the cause of my problems, but I figured it would be helpful to remove one variable from the equation. After being tested in various ways while hooked up to cool machines, I was ruled not to have anything scary. More importantly, after a week with no coffee, I was starting to feel a lot better.
So I decided to stay off the coffee. I had some bad withdrawal symptoms (headache, etc.) and took a lot of aspirin and ibuprofen. (And around this time I started to get bad tinnitus [wikipedia.org] on top of everything else!)
Now I am mostly off caffeine. I sometimes have a single cup of caffeinated coffee. The tremors have passed and I'm grateful that my symptoms are gone. (The tinnitus stopped when I stopped taking the aspirin and ibuprofen.)
An important thing I want to tell you: I never drank a cup of coffee and then immediately had my hands start shaking. I had a gradual onset of hand tremors and it was chronic, with no obvious increase right after I drank coffee. This convinced me the tremors could not be caused by the coffee, but now I am convinced that they were.
You may be wondering how I could accidentally start overdosing on caffeine. Well, I started working in a building where the coffee was awful (Farmer Brothers commercial coffee service), so I started making my own coffee using an Aeropress [aerobie.com]. This is an excellent coffee maker (Dan likes it! [dansdata.com]), and I still use it and recommend it. But when I first got it, I was using caffeinated coffee, and I was trying to make "doppio ristretto" portions for myself, so I was using two scoops of finely ground espresso beans. I now believe that one AeroPress scoop of coffee makes a double shot, so I was effectively drinking four espresso shots worth of caffeine; and I usually drank two of these per day. So while I thought I was drinking 4 espresso shots worth of caffeine, I suspect I was drinking 8 shots worth, possibly even a little more.
As the saying goes, the dose makes the poison. I drank reasonable portions of caffeine for years and didn't notice any ill effects at all; it was only when I drank too much that I had the scary tremors.
If you get hand tremors, I do suggest you cut out all caffeine for a while and see if it helps.
steveha
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Depends if you're talking to the experts paid by the coffee companies or the experts paid by the ... hum... tea companies? (what's the opposite of coffee?)
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(what's the opposite of coffee?)
(Milk?)
coffee likes milk! (Score:2)
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(what's the opposite of coffee?)
In terms of competition for arable land, I guess that would be cocaine. Next we'll hear from the Cocaine Importation Agency (CIA) how bad coffee is for you.
Re:Seriously..... (Score:5, Funny)
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I said opposite, not reverse. :)
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Good luck finding that at the grocery store... "Excuse me, miss, where's the I Can't Believe It's Not Coffee?"
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(what's the opposite of coffee?)
Alcohol
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> what's the opposite of coffee?
Ginger. Coffee is a basal vasoconstrictor, and ginger is a vasodilator.
So coffee lowers the blood flow to the brain, and ginger increases it. Don't take both at once unless you enjoy headaches.
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conee?
Re:Seriously..... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not for them to say 'coffee is good' or 'coffee is bad'. That's for you to determine.
It's antithetical to scientific thinking to draw conclusions that aren't relevant or supported by the results. It is, however, something journalists love to do for them.
But anyway, are you really unable to fathom the idea that something can be good in some ways and bad in others? And that something can be good under a certain set of circumstances and bad under another?
Besides which, coffee hasn't been shown to be particularly bad for you unless you have a heart condition and need to avoid caffeine for blood-pressure reasons. It also contains some carcinogens - which is one of those sources of journalistic misinterpretation, because there's a big difference between 'contains carcinogens' and 'causes cancer'. Just because something contains a carcinogen doesn't necessarily mean that carcinogen is potent enough and the concentration sufficient to substantially change the risks of cancer, in particular once you take into account how much actually gets taken up into the body.
Re:Seriously..... (Score:5, Funny)
But anyway, are you really unable to fathom the idea that something can be good in some ways and bad in others?
What is this of which you speak?
This is /.
Windows is 100% evil.
Linux is 100% good.
The US Government is 100% evil.
RMS is 100% good.
There seems to be some disagreement about Java, however, where some say it's 100% evil, and some say it's 100% good.
Wait......Java.....coffee.....
Hey!!
I totally understand what you mean, now!
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But anyway, are you really unable to fathom the idea that something can be good in some ways and bad in others? And that something can be good under a certain set of circumstances and bad under another?
Heck, my thought on this whole subject is (mis)quoting a rather ancient philosopher -
Moderation in all things, including moderation.
Not many things in life are strictly linear. A glass of wine a day is good. A dozen, not so much. A little meat in your diet, good. Eating 6 pounds a day? Not good. Washing your hands is a good habit. Washing/scrubbing until you bleed? Not good. Sodium Chloride, salt, is essential for life, but too much is bad. So on and so forth...
I don't think it's that difficult. B
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There's always exceptions to the rule. If 5% of the people who don't drink coffee get it, yet 2% who do drink it don't, then there's a good chance it has some positive effect.
That doesn't change the fact that 2% of the people drinking coffee STILL got it. It's all about reducing the odds.
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Minor correction, should read: "yet only 2% who do drink it get it"
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Wait what? Since when does D&D use d8s for saving throws? It's the same die, the coffee just gives you a +1 bonus to the roll.
nerd pedantry (Score:2)
Re:These studies are so full of shit (Score:4, Funny)
Idiot! You're supposed to take it out of the can first.
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His Alzheimers was to blame for that. He forgot how to brew coffee.
Re:How about tea then? (Score:5, Funny)
Dude, I think you may have started on the coffee already...
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Change the habits that are obviously bad for you -- smoking, for instance (not that you said you smoke) -- but otherwise live your life. That's my general take.
As for Alzheimer's/dementia specifically, I try to stay informed on the topic. My grandfather also indirectly died from Alzheimer's, and my mom was diagnosed with dementia, which is probably Alzheimer's in actuality, at a remarkably early age (mid-fifties). In any case, there are a lot of resources being put into Alzheimer's research, and there ap
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It sounds like your nutritionist was insane, and I wouldn't put ANY stock in what he said about caffine. First of all, that's just just one guy's opinion, and not someone who studies alzheimers or the effects of caffine. Second, although the coffee probably didn't help, the nutritionist told him not to worry about quitting smoking? You'd be hard pressed to find many professionals who would tell you that. The coffee likely didn't cause the emphysema, the years of smoking did. Lastly, the word of the nut