1.4 Billion Pixel Camera To Watch For Asteroids 138
SpaceSlug writes "The world's largest digital camera is to be used to keep an eye out for asteroids heading towards Earth. The Panoramic Survey Telescope and Rapid Response System (Pan-STARRS) has been built by researchers at MIT's Lincoln Lab. At its heart is a 1.4 billion pixel (or 1400 megapixel) camera that will scan the night sky looking for rogue near-Earth objects from atop Mount Haleakala in Maui Island, Hawaii. The system uses something called an orthogonal transfer CCD to remove atmospheric blur from images."
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One point four jiggapixels? One point four jiggapixels?? Great scott!
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I'd be more interested in learning how much that is in Britney Spears or Paris Hiltons.
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What I really want to know is how much data that is, but please reference the amount of data in relation to library's of Congress.
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1.4 gigapixes, although since this is digital data I'm sure someone will come along shortly to insist it's more like 1.304.
To fully fund the project year round (Score:5, Funny)
You just need to point her down at the beaches of Hawaii a few times a year and capture some of the scenery.
can you say gigapixelboobs.com?
Re:To fully fund the project year round (Score:5, Funny)
It's looking for asteroids. If it was a British telescope it would be looking for arseteroids.
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Here's a sidelong view of the nipple [thetoptensite.com]. I'd link to a photo of the whole boob, but it'd melt your video card.
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Re:To fully fund the project year round (Score:5, Interesting)
http://gigapan.org/viewGigapan.php?id=5322 [gigapan.org]
5.3 gigapixel image of Hanauma Bay in Hawaii.
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The world's first terapixel image, was in fact of a boob. A cancerous one, but still, on the right track.
link [aperio.com] (SFW, as far as I can tell)
Pending Doom (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Pending Doom (Score:5, Insightful)
For starters, it's worth worrying about asteroids that would merely destroy a city rather than end life as we know it. And, if you spot them early, there are a number of techniques that could deflect them. With plenty of time to work, small changes in velocity can cause large changes in position years in the future -- turning an impact into a near miss. This is especially true if there is a close approach to another body before the impact, as small changes in position at the approach turn into larger changes in velocity.
If you only need a tiny course correction, there are plenty of options. A gravitational tug, for example (put a spacecraft near the asteroid, use ion engines to maintain position, and let gravitational forces pull the asteroid toward the ship, and vice versa). That lets you use an ion engine to nudge the asteroid without solving the problems of landing on it or grabbing it. If you can get away with even less total impulse, you can simply paint a large portion of it white and let light pressure from the Sun do the work for you.
Things like large rocket engines and nuclear blasts are crude, blunt instruments; if you have warning, a more subtle approach is appropriate.
Re:Pending Doom (Score:5, Insightful)
With plenty of time to work, small changes in velocity can cause large changes in position years in the future -- turning an impact into a near miss.
Or, given the fact that even the most advanced prediction algorithms still have to cut some corners (therefore leading to some uncertainty), it could turn a near miss into an impact.
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Cut corners? You mean along the lines of using type Float instead of Double? More likely the errors are due to natural issues such as sun-light reflecting off the surface of the roid in unknown ways giving it a slight push or imprecise knowledge about Jupiter's gravity profile at given distances. When a roid passes close to a planet, small differences in path can be grea
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More likely the errors are due to natural issues such as sun-light reflecting off the surface of the roid in unknown ways giving it a slight push or imprecise knowledge about Jupiter's gravity profile at given distances.
This is exactly what I meant by "cut corners." Probably not the best way to describe it, but there are, at the roughest level, three different items that lead to error in predicting trajectories. The first is errors/inprecision in measurements, which this camera will help reduce. The second is us not knowing exactly how certain forces will affect a particular asteroid. The last is the inability to accurately simulate the forces that we do know, due to computational complexity. It is here where things a
More & Better Measurements == Better Predictio (Score:2)
At issue with many of our current NEO detections is that it takes astronomers time to take enough measurements to calculate an accurate orbit. PanSTARRS will be taking those measurements nightly, or at worst every other day, which will speed the process of drawing the curves considerably.
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This device is all about finding them. Once you have found something that has an orbit that brings it close to the earth, hundreds of telescopes will be pointed at it, leading to many highly accurate measurements that will specify its location and orbit to a nice precision.
This device will find asteroids with a 1 on 1000 chance of impacting. Withing a few days, we'll know to 1 in 100. Give it a week, month or year, and we'll know what street to paint an X on.
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All this means is that your trajectory change ought to be done with serious overkill so as to definitively push it outside of the entire error basket. If caught years in advance this will still men an absolutely miniscule impulse.
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Re:Pending Doom (Score:5, Funny)
As long as it gets rid of Bruce Willis it's a win-win situation.
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Liv Tyler? You must be new here: the celebrity that is kept has to be Natalie Portman (petrified in hot grits).
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The book "Death from the Skies" by Phil Plait has a lengthy chapter devoted specifically to asteroid impacts and how we might consider avoiding them. The missile idea is a bad one, as the individual fragments will still hit Earth and quite possibly do more damage than the original asteroid due to immediately affecting an even wider area. A couple more promising ideas are gravitational deflection (park some other massive object nearby and allow the new object's gravity to slowly move the asteroid off a col
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Um, no. You have been watching too many movies.
An explosion in space does - practically nothing. An explosion on earth pushes the air away in a big shock wave that does the damage. An explosion in space dissipates immediately with little effect except to the item that exploded. (related phenomenon: Why the lunar landers produced so little dust, and no crater.)
For an explosive device to do much, it would have to be embedded into the asteroid and blow a chunk off the side. Then conservation of momentum would
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Um,no. You have missed the point.
It has nothing to do with a shock wave. The theory is that the detonation will heat the surface of the asteroid causing a thin layer to vaporize and move away from the body thus imparting a small thrust and altering the trajectory.
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A gravity tug is MUCH more complicated than simply nuking the asteroid, because it r
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Thank you: You are, of course, completely correct. I do not know how I managed to so badly mis-read your comment.
Again, sorry and thank you.
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No, we will be able to see asteroids that could slam into our planet and possibly end life in the northern hemisphere. And then we can send a bomb up or something to move it away. Who cares about the southern hemisphere. :D
Damn (Score:3, Funny)
Damn, now it means that when my brother-in-law sets his next camera to maximum resolution (as he always does), I'm going to get 50gb image files.
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Martin? Bro? Is that you? I have a question for you:
why does the internet get slow every time i send you pictures?
What? The're in space? (Score:4, Funny)
Last time I looked, Asteroids was at the local bowling alley. Do I win a prize? Do these youngster space explorer types need any more investigative help? All the comets they need are under my kitchen sink! there! ba da bing! Oh, my neighbor guy has Saturn in his driveway! But if you guys need help or a camera to find Uranus... damn, I'm out!
Blah... (Score:1, Offtopic)
Kodak moment (Score:2, Insightful)
Well, it's almost as good as what the NSA uses to spy on you with. Aren't you glad we have our priorities straight in this country?
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He's not a girl, he's in training to be a girl. (s)he does have a valid point, though. It's only flamebait if you're NSA or a rabid neocon. It is, in fact, pretty much how spy satellites work -- just take a Hubble, change the focus, and point it down.
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Umm, I am a girl... and yes that is how spy satellites work, except that they are a lot smaller because they don't need to capture as much light to get an exposure.
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I kid. Sorry. I wasn't kidding about the moderation though, your comment was by no means flamebait.
When you complete your training you'll have to change you slashdot ID!
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Yeah, I've thought about that. I usually pretend to be a boy on most forums because it makes life so much easier, but my friends convinced me that I was just giving in to sexism by doing that. I work with computers, and most of my female friends are either lesbians or bi, so you can imagine how it is with them. I'm "in training" because I'm a tomboy... grew up in the country, moved to the city and got taken in by lesbians and tomboys. :) I'm trying to be more femme, hence the nick.
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That makes sense. I think your friends are right.
Are you trying to learn to be more feminine to attract men? Because if you are, you're hanging around with the wrong ladies. They're not going to have a clue about femininity. It would be like me having a gay man try and teach me how to be "butch" and attract women.
I happen to like tomboys.
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No, I'm not doing it for men. ;)
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I suspected that from the description of your friends =)
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I've always wondered how they train those lady-types. I wonder, are there formal courses? I can jus' picture it:
"How to Confuse Your Significant Other 101"
"Bathroom Herd Instinct" {this one explains how and why women across any venue can detect ONE lady whispering "I have to go to the bathroom" in a voice quieter than a mouse fart, how they pack 20 women into a two-stall bathroom, and what to talk about.}
"Cattiness for Profit"
"Instant Headache Summoning 101"
Did I miss any?
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"Hiding Hubbie's Stuff" (Well look for it!)
I've found you don't even have to be married for them to do this. Hell, I've had woman move my shit around the first day we meet, the first time she's in my house.
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Or Pudge ;)
In need of perspective? (Score:2)
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I'm no astronomer, but I believe you can triangulate objects based on the earth's position around the sun.
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Maybe for very far objects outside the solar system, but for these objects the earth moves a significant distance within a day. Backyard astronomers do this all the time.
Re:In need of perspective? (Score:5, Informative)
Asteroid hunting doesn't really have anything to do with blue or red shifting. You're not looking to see whether a distant object is moving towards or away form you. More likely, they're looking at dots. Specifically, which dots in picture A moved in comparison to picture B and which one didn't.
Think of it this way: Step out at night and look at the stars and whatever planet happens to be in view. Now, step out the next night at precisely the same time (ok, to be fair, a couple minutes later) and look again. The stars are in the same spot, but the planet has moved.
With high-res digital cameras you can take very precise pictures, then let software pick out which of the faint dots are distant stars, and which maybe be asteroids. It's a pretty standard way of discovering and plotting the course of the various odds and ends floating around our solar system.
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So how many...? (Score:2)
Can it capture UFO license plate numbers? (Score:1, Funny)
I gots to know
Re:Can it capture UFO license plate numbers? (Score:5, Funny)
UFOs by definition don't have visible license plates. If it had a license plate it wouldn't be unidentified, now would it?
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Except if you can't read the plate, it remains unidentifed. Hence the need for this camera.
It's a bird! It's a plane! (Score:2, Informative)
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Clearly they need harpoon guns in space.
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Astronomy Magazine (Score:3, Interesting)
Blurred summary (Score:5, Informative)
The system uses something called an orthogonal transfer CCD to remove atmospheric blur from images.
Shoddy. "Something called?" Come on, guys, this is supposed to be "news for nerds". If you can't find it on wikipedia, use google.
orthogonal transfer CCD (OTCCD) [harvard.edu]
Why not standard OIS? (Score:2)
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Also, it might be tricky to move a 40cm x 40cm detector array around at 100Hz without
introducing jitter or tilt.
And I'll just bet.. (Score:5, Funny)
A 1.4-gigapixel camera to detect asteroids (Score:4, Informative)
Haha Roland Piquepaille Failed (Score:1, Informative)
He links to his own articles in comments because noone wants to see them on the front page anymore.
Don't be fooled by his claim about 'several pictures'; really, there's only two, one of which is a generic photo of a galaxy. The TR article also has a generic picture of an astronomical object.
The only picture Rolly is really offering is at
http://www.blogsforcompanies.com/TTimages/pan_starrs_gigapixel_camera.jpg [blogsforcompanies.com]
Rolly's borrowed photo, and more! (Score:1, Interesting)
http://pan-starrs.ifa.hawaii.edu/public/design-features/camera-small.htm [hawaii.edu]
which is two clicks away from one of the links in the story, has lots of photos of the camera, including the one ol' Rolly is using to bring saps to his weblog
This could put pr0n to shame, having 1.4 BILLION (Score:1)
pieces of ass, umm, fully-feeling, umm, screen-fulfilling asTEROIDS on display at one time... Talk about "getting your rocks off"....
Dead pixel (Score:2)
What kind of lenses? (Score:2, Interesting)
I bet it has no practical depth of field, even when stopped down to f/64. Wonder what the pixel density is...
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It is an interesting question, though I'm not going to rtfa to see if they have an overall sensor size. Luckily, when imaging most celestial opbjects the DOF should be pretty insignificant. On the bright side, if an asteroid does come out blurry due to a depth of field issue, we're probably not going to be around long enough to worry about it!
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There is absolutely no need to stop down a lens like this- everything is infinity focused.
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I've always thought that, if a lens is set to infinity, then everything is blurred to the size of the aperture.
Suffice to say, when you are looking at any astronomical object, a blur of 2 or 3 metres is not of concern. (Side point: a photographer rarely uses an infinity focus. They use the closest focal length that leaves the most distant object adequately focused. This gives the best depth of field.)
Of course, more advanced optical theory,the sort that deals with interference and diffraction, limit resolut
Awesome pics (Score:2)
I don't know about anyone else but I find stuff like this to be really inspiring. Why is that astronomy in general doesn't get more mainstream media coverage?
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Go camping in Yosemite or the high western desert some day and backpack away from other people. Let your eyes adapt at night for a while and then look up. Compare that to what you
Oops, we missed one... (Score:1)
The system uses something called an orthogonal transfer CCD to remove atmospheric blur from images.
Hopefully they've performed some real-world testing to ensure this technology doesn't also remove, you know, ASTEROIDS.
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They really just want this camera for porn.
Isn't that overkill? (Score:1)
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640k pixels is enough for anyone.
Sorry, but nobody else had done it yet.
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Kind of depends on how far away it is.
Belthize
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I think the intent here is more about surveying a large amount of the sky than magnification.
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Not impressed (Score:2)
Imagine that you somehow get to stand on Mars let's say...
What do you see? Well, we don't really know do we? Because ALL OF THE DAMN CAMERAS that Nasa or whomever send up there in the firmament, to the heavenly bodies or the moons are not designed for human vision.
No. The imaging data sent back to terrafirma has to be 'processed' with 'algorithms' before we can see a representation of human vision!
This 'representation' is not accurate, as captions often state that the image in question is made up of various
Wow. (Score:2)
They just don't have one of these cameras, they have four. Each pixel will be 2 bytes therefore 11.2GB per shot. Exposure times will be 30 seconds, so that is 1.3TB of data generated per hour.
That is going to be some serious number crunching when you need to compare at least two images. You want to finish all that comparison work (possible alignment work as well) before the following night (14hrs?). The data is going to be stored with Microsoft SQL Server. Storing and retrieving images sure, but when i
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They just don't have one of these cameras, they have four.
Uh, no. They have one telescope with one camera on it. The system on Haleakala is the prototype, called PS-1.
The original plan was to build a final system with 4 scopes and 4 cameras, PS-4. Probably on Mauna Kea. Probably where the UH 2.2-meter (which I operate) is now. But they have to go through permitting and everything.
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You lucky bastard.
Does your role cover the hardware maintenance/upkeep (telescope, compute machines, storage), or the software implementation/number crunching? Or both?
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Hardware and software upkeep? Uh, a tiny bit, but really mostly dealing with wetware. I'm operating the telescope, and as a former sysadmin, rather prefer to not have root on the boxen (sudo, where needed, will suffice). Server users usually don't (although they should!) question whether your racks are properly aligned with the stars.
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Hey,
By strange coincidence the guys at the local planetarium [wikipedia.org] have said that I can feel free to use their skydome system (within reason, but I think they are also interested in the visualisation work I do). The trade off is that I have to help the local Astronomy club get their datasets into the existing software - fair trade. But it only handles basic geometry, so I want to port some of my codes to the projection system. The parallel rendering (8 machines, each a single projector) will be
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