Small Asteroid On Collision Course With Earth 397
musatov writes "There's talk on The Minor Planet Mailing List about a small asteroid approaching Earth with a 99.8% probability of colliding. The entrance to the Earth's atmosphere will take place October 7 at 0246 UTC (2:35 after this story goes live) over northern Sudan, releasing the energy of about a kiloton of TNT. The asteroid is assumed to be 3-4 meters in size; it is expected to burn up completely in the atmosphere, causing no harm. As a powerful bolide, it may put on quite a show in the sky. For those advanced enough in astronomy to observe, check the MPEC 2008-T50 and MPEC 2008-T64 circulars. NASA's JPL Small Body Database has a 3D orbit view. The story has been already picked up by CNN and NASA."
Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:2, Interesting)
I thought bodies this small were usually referred to as meteors. What's the difference?
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:5, Informative)
They become meteors *once* they start to interact with the Earth's atmosphere. Until that time, they are classified as space objects, and the names seem to change dependent upon size and approximate mass.
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:4, Informative)
OK, fair point. I should have referenced meteoroids. But still, aside from a sensational headline, wouldn't this usually be classified as a meteoroid rather than an asteroid?
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:5, Funny)
So, a Dwarf Asteroid then?
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:5, Funny)
Size doesn't matter (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:4, Funny)
And an asteroid breaking in two would be two hemorrhoids?
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hemi-roid?
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:4, Insightful)
Without the sensational headline, who would care?
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Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:4, Funny)
Then once they've fully entered the atmosphere astronomers refer to them as "Cosmic World Destroyers.".
But only for a short time.
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:4, Funny)
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It's an asteroid until it enters the atmosphere.
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:4, Informative)
It's an asteroid until it enters the atmosphere.
No, if it's less than 10 meters diameter it's only a meteoroid.
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:4, Funny)
So then, would a big asteroid just be an aster? Or .... never mind.
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No. To be an aster it must be able to sustain nuclear fusion. Because "astera" is latin and means "star".
And yes: Asteroids are literally "star-like thingies".
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:5, Informative)
Wrong, it's a meteoroid in space, a meteor in the atmosphere, and if any of it makes it to the ground, it's a meteorite.
It's never an asteroid because it's not big enough.
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:4, Funny)
I stand corrected; had my oids, eors, and ites crossed.
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:5, Funny)
Asteroid, meteoroid or hemorrhoid; what does it matter? They're all a pain in the ass.
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:5, Informative)
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Meteoroid/meteor: Any of the small solid extraterrestrial bodies that hits the earth's atmosphere
Meteorite: A solid body that has arrived on the Earth or Moon from outer space. It can range in size from microscopic to many tons. Its composition ranges from that of silicate rocks to metallic iron-nickel.
Asteroids: Asteroids, also called minor planets or planetoids, are a class of astronomical objects. The term asteroid is generally used to indicate a diverse group of small celestial bodies.
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Meteoroid/meteor: Any of the small solid extraterrestrial bodies that hits the earth's atmosphere
No, hitting the atmosphere is what distinguishes meteors from meteoroids.
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Don't even get me started on Kupier Belt Objects, Meteoroids or Comets!
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Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:5, Funny)
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And in the atmosphere it's called hail.
Cost! (Score:5, Funny)
Asteroid is free, Meteor is expensive - costs anywhere from 50 to 99 MP to cast, depending on which FF you're playing.
I'd use an Asteroid over Meteor any day.
Re:Cost! (Score:5, Funny)
I'm playing on the Super Nintendo.
It's called METEO, you insenstive clod!
Re:Asteroid? Why not meteor? (Score:4, Informative)
It is entirely possible that this meteoroid -depending on its composition, stony, stony-iron, carbonaceous chondrite, or iron/nickel-iron and its velocity and angle of incidence to the Earth's atmosphere- could reach the ground and form a sizable crater. The accepted figure for crater size is roughly 25 times the diameter of the object at the time of impact with the surface. The Barringer Crater [wikipedia.org] was formed by an object estimated to be approximately 50 meters across at the time of impact. If this object reaches the ground at one-half of its present estimated size, it could form a crater 35 to 50 meters across. It would be quite the show if one were within a mile or two of the impact.
Happens Every Day (Score:3, Funny)
We call them "shooting stars", and wish on them.
This one is a "collision asteroid" because it's good marketing for Star Wars "missile defense" gussied up for more recent Hollywood treatment like _Deep Impact_.
This sort of impact happens once a month. (Score:5, Informative)
Awesome! (Score:2)
(assuming the summary is correct and it will likely burn up)
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More specifically if it burns away completely BEFORE hitting the earth. If it burns up in the resulting explosion... :-(
One thing I've wondered, those small asteroids that hit the earth, say that land and are about the size of my fist, did those burn down to that size from a bigger size, or are there trajectories that it could land mostly without burning up. Like if it goes in at a really steep angle, could a rock the size of a basketball before it enters be about the size of a basketball when it lands, o
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LinkyLinky
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/icq/meteorites.html [harvard.edu]
Re:Awesome! (Score:5, Informative)
Yes they "burned down". Yes, there are trajectories that let things land without burning up. But they make for lousy shows, since it requires the rock to skim the outer atmosphere just deep enough to slow below escape velocity, and then slowly (over a period of months or years) lose enough more energy that they reenter permanently. If that happens, and if they're metallic, and if they're really extremely spherical (no hot spots other than the obvious one - out front), then maybe they can make it to the ground substantially intact. Odds - well, literally astronomical.
Abandon hope all yee who live! (Score:5, Funny)
Is this really news? (Score:4, Insightful)
Small asteroids that burn up in the upper atmosphere are far from uncommon. Why is this suddenly notable?
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Supposedly it's the first time that an asteroid / meteor has been accurately (well, we'll see on that front!) predicted to enter the atmosphere at a specific time and location.
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Also, given the small size of the objetc I am amazed they pulled it off.
There was a suggestion made that this might be a booster from a mars probe because its orbit does take it close to mars, Another possibility is that it is a fragment of mars.
Oh jeez... (Score:2)
Re:Oh jeez... (Score:5, Funny)
2 hours gives CERN plenty of time to aim the LHC at the asteroid and obliterate it with a black hole.
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The advanced Psilons surely could use their black hole generator or even the devious Darloks who likely already stole the technology. Maybe next will come a giant space crystal life form. Perhaps with our ion drives (moves 6 parsecs per turn) we can soon escape the solar system and make some serious headway towards becoming the MOO.
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Got a link/recording?
good (Score:2)
maybe the superstitious nutjobs in northern sudan take it as a godly sign that they should stop genociding southern sudan
the acehnese independence drive in indonesia pretty much died off after the 2004 tsumani
we talk about comets and eclipses having an impact in geopolitics in ancient history
well, it still goes on today
Re:good (Score:4, Insightful)
More likely they'll think it's a divine sigh that they're doing everything fine.
it's the end of the world and... (Score:5, Funny)
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Luckily we'll all be wiped out before that question is answered.
Don't watch it (Score:2, Funny)
Instead, watch it through a pinhole cut into some cardboard.
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Sadly, I haven't seen any triffids today.
Who Cares About Sudan? (Score:2, Insightful)
My prediction is that because it's over an impoverished third-world country, no one will care much, aside from astronomers and a small number (relative to world population) of other smarter people who know perfectly well that it could have just as easily been over Los Angeles or New York City. Not that this particular incident is important as anything but yet another warning that space objects of unpredictable size can suddenly strike Earth, as has happened frequently in geological time for billions of year
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Um, so what? Do you think that one kiloton exploding high up in the atmosphere over New York or Los Angeles would do anything other than provide an unusual light show for the inhabitants? Think again.
It's Pluto... (Score:5, Funny)
Here's the NASA article (Score:5, Informative)
Small Asteroid Predicted to Cause Brilliant Fireball over Northern Sudan [nasa.gov]
A very small, few-meter sized asteroid, designated 2008 TC3, was found Monday morning by the Catalina Sky Survey from their observatory near Tucson Arizona. Preliminary orbital computations by the Minor Planet Center suggested an atmospheric entry of this object within a day of discovery. JPL confirmed that an atmospheric impact will very likely occur during early morning twilight over northern Sudan, north-eastern Africa, at 2:46 UT Tuesday morning. The fireball, which could be brilliant, will travel west to east (from azimuth = 281 degrees) at a relative atmospheric impact velocity of 12.8 km/s and arrive at a very low angle (19 degrees) to the local horizon. It is very unlikely that any sizable fragments will survive passage through the Earth's atmosphere.
Objects of this size would be expected to enter the Earth's atmosphere every few months on average but this is the first time such an event has been predicted ahead of time.
Re:Here's the NASA article (Score:5, Insightful)
Objects of this size would be expected to enter the Earth's atmosphere every few months on average but this is the first time such an event has been predicted ahead of time.
This detail got left out of the story summary, making this sound like a bigger deal than it actually is. This is a routine, mundane event — only the prediction is newsworthy.
Re:Here's the NASA article (Score:5, Interesting)
This detail got left out of the story summary, making this sound like a bigger deal than it actually is. This is a routine, mundane event — only the prediction is newsworthy.
What this really means is that the new surveys are looking at more of the sky more frequently and deeper (seeing fainter objects), so now we are starting to catch things hitting the Earth that would have been missed in the past.
I wouldn't say this is a mundane event though, this is going to be bigger than the majority of fireballs that get seen. Yes, every few months, but most are over uninhabited areas and don't get seen. And they are not tracked in advance - so we'll get to see how big a fireball you get for a body whose size we have a rough idea of (a few meters across).
For technical updates, see
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/mpec/RecentMPECs.html
Good News Everyone... (Score:5, Funny)
Since it is such a small asteroid we can save some money. We don't need to send an all-star cast to blow it up, we only need to send one celebrity.
I suggest Bruce Willis, since we can save even more money not having to worry about the return trip.
Re:Good News Everyone... (Score:5, Funny)
Please can we send Tom Cruise instead??
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Oh wait. I mean... Yeah, just drop him in!
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Well, he wasn't part of the original cast (Armageddon) but sure, why not?
Plus, sending Tom Cruise will help reduce costs even further, since he's already "out there."
Scary... (Score:3, Interesting)
This is scary to me, not so much that a small asteroid is going to burn up and make a light show, but news of it comes out 24 hours before hand.
Would a body 10,20,100 or 1000 times the size be detected 24 hours before hitting us? Hell... 72 Hours?
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Well it was only two hours by the time I posted that, but truth be told I'm out a microwave right now. I make my popcorn by putting the bag on top of my wireless router and firing up a bittorent.
Testing tractor beam theory. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Testing tractor beam theory. (Score:4, Informative)
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No. The tractor idea (it's not a beam, for pete's sake) would take months to test. We have about... 1 hour.
Wait, I've seen this movie (Score:2)
The little one is followed by a great big one. Panic!
We're all going to die! (Score:5, Funny)
a small asteroid approaching Earth with a 99.8% probability of colliding
O-M-G We're all going to die! It's the end of the world! Run! Agh, forget that, you'll just die tired! I'm freaking out! I'm freaking out!
The asteroid is assumed to be 3-4 meters in size...
This has been a test of the emergency end of the world system. Has this been the actual end of the world you would have been given explicit instructions to bend over and kiss your ass good bye.
This concludes this test of the emergency end of the world system.
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I thought that if the world was going to end we were meant to lie down or put a paper bag over our head or something. That's what they told us in the Army...
02:46 UT (Score:2)
Is one hour from now.
Any slashdotters in Sudan ?
Pool on crater size ? (Score:2)
Since there is great uncertainty in the mass of this object (albedo ? density ? who knows!) is anyone interested in a pool for the crater size ? I say that there will be one and my bet is for 3 meters.
This is really a shame.. (Score:2)
Too bad we didn't see this thing coming earlier. With a year's warning, it would be great practice to see if we could get some sort of vehicle close enough to destroy it. If we could find a way to target this thing, we could rest assured that we know how to target a larger object that could actually do damage. It would have been great target practice; big enough to track and try to hit but small enough that it doesn't matter if we miss.
1 in 20 chance it'll be bigger than expected (Score:5, Interesting)
5% of the meteors are iron. Iron is both denser and darker than the far more common stony meteor which means if the asteroid is made of iron, it'll be bigger than expected because the size estimates are based on the amount of light the asteroid is reflecting. If it's iron, its higher density, combined with its larger size, will improve the odds that some remnants will make earth fall.
If it makes earth fall it'll be by far, the most valuable meteorite ever since it's the first asteroid whose arrival was predicted. It'll literally be money from Heaven for whomever finds a piece.
Further Updates from jpl at T-60min (Score:3, Informative)
Update - 6:45 PM PDT (1 hour prior to atmospheric entry)
Since its discovery barely a day ago, 2008 TC3 has been observed extensively by astronomers around the world, and as a result, our orbit predictions have become very precise. We estimate that this object will enter the Earth's atmosphere at around 2:45:28 UTC and reach maximum deceleration at around 2:45:54 UTC. These times are uncertain by +/- 15 seconds or so. The time at which any fragments might reach the ground depends a great deal on the physical properties of the object, but should be around 2:46:20 UTC +/- 40 seconds.
T-750 and counting
Impact of Asteroid 2008 TC3 Confirmed (Score:3, Informative)
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news160.html [nasa.gov]
Confirmation has been received that the asteroid impact fireball occurred at the predicted time and place. The energy recorded was estimated to be 0.9 to 1.0 kT of TNT and the time of detection was 02:45:45 on October 7 (Greenwich Standard Time). More details on this detection will be forthcoming. An additional confirmation was apparently reported by a KLM airliner (see: (http://www.spaceweather.com [spaceweather.com]). As reported by Peter Brown (University of Western Ontario, Canada), a preliminary examination of infrasound stations nearest to the predicted impact point shows that at least one station recorded the event. These measurements are consistent with the predicted time and place of the atmospheric impact and indicate an estimated energy of 1.1 - 2.1 kT of TNT.
Just in case anyone's still checking all the way down here...
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That'a assuming it's a rocky asteroid. If it's nickel-iron, it'll leave a small crater.
Because the LHC failed... (Score:4, Funny)
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The odds of it landing on you even if were tough enough to survive atmospheric entry are pretty remote. You should probably get all worked up over watching the lotto numbers scroll by instead.
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The odds of it landing on you even if were tough enough to survive atmospheric entry are pretty remote.
The odds are astronomical, even! Hell, the odds are on a galactic scale! Why, the odds are so big, they make space look small!
Thank, you, thank you, I'm here all....Hey! What's with the giant hooooooooook....
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I hope any god has a clause that says if you come to peace with him just prior to death for the soul purposes of saving your soul then you get a hearty, "Fuck you!"
Just sayin' as it doesn't seem like any god would think that that was a real belief.
Re:Jesus my chest. (Score:4, Funny)
Don't get me started on the "if I was a god" thing... If I was a god you'd best get sacrificing some virgins and stuffs.
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What difference will it make if you aren't a survivor, you have better odds of being sued by the **AA's than that.
Re:Jesus my chest. (Score:5, Funny)
The next big one could come any time and kill us all. If it was really the end of the world would they let us know?
I sure that Slashdot would report it at least twice.
Re:Jesus my chest. (Score:5, Funny)
And at least the first report would come in only a few days after it happened!
Oh wait..
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The next big one could come any time and kill us all. If it was really the end of the world would they let us know?
"They" is a nebulous concept that in this case includes tens or hundreds of thousands of professional and amateur astronomers across the globe. A big asteroid on a collision course with Earth would be noticed by many people as it got close, so I'd expect we'd all know about it.
Re:Bomb Sudan!!! (Score:4, Funny)
And in other news, the asteroid was found to have large amounts of Naquadah in it.
Re:I hope it hits Barack Obama (Score:5, Funny)
Well, call me a Washin'ton out-cider, don'cha know, betcha', shucks, all I gotta' do is wink and sure, by golly, that asteroid'll collide with Obama fer sure. 'Cause he's a terrist celebrity, by golly, gosh, so dangerous, and I'd like ta' ignore that question and talk 'bout energy.
Sincerely;
Sarah Palin
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And for that matter, it's not a bison nickel...
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...in the cavernous depths of space, yet we can't find Bin Laden on out own small planet?
It's always hard to find things in clutter - I have the same problem with my desk.
If he was alone in deep space, we could find him too.
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It's not going to collide so fix the title. It's going to burn up in our atmosphere becoming a meteor...
after it collides with the Earth (or at least its atmosphere).
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Domesticated turkeys will sometimes stand out in the rain and look up at it. When they do so their beak automatically opens and they stare up long enough so that some drown. A buddy of mine owns an organic turkey farm and it is quite common to go pick up the stupid, dead, drowned turkeys after the rains.
So, while your comment rings true with me, it seems really stupid. Yes, me. Not your comment so much but the me bit. If this were something that I could see then I'd probably be out there looking up with a t
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This is /. and most of us don't even believe in a god. Oh, and we're trying to emulate 4chan so... Tits or GTFO.