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SpaceX Flight 4 Launch Postponed 59

Matt_dk noted that yesterday's launch plans for SpaceX have hit some turbulence. He says "SpaceX Flight 4 Launch has been postponed. The static fire took place on Saturday [20 Sep 2008, CA time], as expected, and no major issues came up. However, after a detailed analysis of data, we decided to replace a component in the 2nd stage engine LOX supply line. There is a good chance we would be ok flying as is, but we are being extremely cautious. This adds a few extra days to the schedule, so the updated launch window estimate is now Sept 28th through Oct 1st [CA time]."
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SpaceX Flight 4 Launch Postponed

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  • by aussie_a ( 778472 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2008 @09:19AM (#25135577) Journal

    With such wastefulness as replacing good parts, is privatising the space industry really the answer? After all, I don't think even NASA replaces perfectly good parts.

    • by Ritz_Just_Ritz ( 883997 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2008 @09:28AM (#25135739)

      "I don't think even NASA replaces perfectly good parts."

      Yeah, better to just wait until they explode. Then you KNOW they needed to be replaced.

    • by Teancum ( 67324 ) <robert_horning@n ... et minus painter> on Wednesday September 24, 2008 @09:30AM (#25135775) Homepage Journal

      I'm assuming this is a joke, intended to get a few funny mod points here.

      If this were serious, of course some occasional parts that are likely to be good but have a question of doubt that they may be bad are replaced. Heck, I do that when I'm repairing my automobile... for exactly the very same reason. If I'm digging into the timing belt and I know the water pump has 50,000 miles on it, I'll change it (the water pump) out even if it is presumably working just fine... just to give an example.

      This is good maintenance practice, and how you keep things flying. It is also called rocket science here.

      • by aussie_a ( 778472 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2008 @09:36AM (#25135859) Journal

        So how many miles did this part have on it? I thought they hadn't actually gotten into space.

        • To clarify, I thought this vehicle hadn't actually gotten into space.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Chris Burke ( 6130 )

          If the general principle is still eluding you, just read "after a detailed analysis of data" in the summary as meaning the data is what provided the motivation for changing the part, assume that they neither want to spend money nor delay the launch for no reason, and leave it at that, okay?

        • Anything that's had LOX flowing through it has some "mileage" on it.

          rj

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by mcgrew ( 92797 ) *

        Also, a LOX fitting is a lot more like replacing a leaky fuel pump than a leaky water pump. LOX is liquid oxygen. Spray it on a drop of grease and it will explode.

        Nothing burns without oxygen, in a pure oxygen environment nearly anything will burn. After the Apolli 1 tragedy [nasa.gov], NASA changed their procedures quite a bit.

        Rust is burned steel.

      • by Rei ( 128717 )

        If this were serious, of course some occasional parts that are likely to be good but have a question of doubt that they may be bad are replaced. Heck, I do that when I'm repairing my automobile... for exactly the very same reason.

        And this is a rocket going into outer freaking space. It's not like your car will blow up if something goes wrong. Unlike your car, an orbital rocket will.

        Okay, well... I'm assuming that you don't drive an early Ford Pinto.

    • At least they are doing it without any cost to the tax payers - unlike NASA. Either way there is too much at stake not to be cautious. I wish them luck.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Let me put it this way; if SpaceX gets to orbit successfully in Flight 98 it still will have spent 20 million dollars less than one Space Shuttle flight. ONE.

      There's just no way private enterprise can compete with government when it comes to wasting money. We'd have to see private central banks emitting fiat money to have even a remote chance of seeing this kind of a dispute.

      • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

        True..A private business has to earn the money before they can waste it, the Government just gets it for nothing from your paycheck. And of course a business that wastes money goes under, a Government just raises your tax or cuts services..or both!
      • Let me put it this way; if SpaceX gets to orbit successfully in Flight 98 it still will have spent 20 million dollars less than one Space Shuttle flight. ONE.

        A skateboard costs less than a full size truck too... So what? You get what you pay for.

        • Not really. With NASA, you get the lowest bidder doing the work or providing the parts. Problem is, since the competition is thin, the bidders all pad their estimate. It's a game of "Is this bid low enough or am I padding too much compared to company x". Add the fact that there are usually ways to request additional money for "cost increases." Once there are many companies all bidding on the same components and many of the components are being sold, the price should go down.
          • To describe your response as clueless is a grave insult to the existing legions of clueless people out there - as it implies their intelligence is even less that currently believed.

            No matter how cheap small potatoes launchers get - they will never replace the Shuttle and its capabilities, any more than than skateboards and Yugos will replace F150s and semis. Even if larger launchers (like the Falcon 9) become cheap, you still lack many important capabilities.

            • Man, did you see the Falcon Heavy? I disagree with you on that. Can you tell me those other important capabilities that the SpaceX launchers lack?

    • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

      NASA = Need Another Seven Astronauts. They replace perfectly good PEOPLE instead of parts, and not just once either. Good to see someone is taking the lessons to heart!
  • Live Webcast? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Nit Picker ( 9292 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2008 @09:23AM (#25135641)

    Will this launch have a live webcast like flight 3? If so, does anyone have the details?

  • LOX is liquid oxygen (Score:4, Informative)

    by QuietRiot ( 16908 ) <cyrus.80d@org> on Wednesday September 24, 2008 @09:24AM (#25135661) Homepage Journal

    If you're wondering, LOX is "Liquified Oxygen"

  • How is this news AGAIN ? It is still in the /. RSS feed and one of the first posts THEN [slashdot.org] was the summary presented here.

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