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Studies Confirm That Bad Boys Get More Girls 960

seattlle foodie sends along a New Scientist article outlining two recent studies that confirm what many have long suspected: bad boys get the most girls. "The finding may help explain why a nasty suite of antisocial personality traits known as the 'dark triad' persists in the human population, despite their potentially grave cultural costs. The traits are: the self-obsession of narcissism; the impulsive, thrill-seeking, and callous behavior of psychopaths; and the deceitful and exploitative nature of Machiavellianism. At their extreme, these traits would be highly detrimental for life in traditional human societies. People with these personalities risk being shunned by others and shut out of relationships, leaving them without a mate, hungry and vulnerable to predators."
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Studies Confirm That Bad Boys Get More Girls

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  • That's nice (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:34PM (#23886549)

    But it is not an excuse. Women who repeatedly get used in these types of relationships and then go cry to their geek friends deserve no sympathy. They should be smart enough to figure it out.

    • Re:That's nice (Score:5, Insightful)

      by packeteer ( 566398 ) <packeteer@subdim ... m ['on.' in gap]> on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:36PM (#23886577)

      Then you shoudl be smart enough to not fall for a cute chick who is gorgeuos and seems cool but really just used you for your money right? Look it happens to the best of us because it is ingrained in us. Women who are abused are not the ones to blame. They are the ones who have the power to stop it but they are not really to blame.

      • You said, "Women who are abused are not the ones to blame. They are the ones who have the power to stop it but they are not really to blame."

        Yes, women are to blame for what they do. They have the same responsibility for their own actions as men.

        This is just more of the same old Slashdot pseudo-science that is posted as a real story.

        "Bad boys" communicate that women have no responsibility toward them. That's what women want when they just want to have sex. Only that. Try it yourself. If you communicate that women have no responsibility, they will want sex with you, too.

        You might need considerable practice, because at present you may have no idea what you are actually communicating.

        Yes, it is a compliment when a woman wants to be intimate with you. But, after a lot of that, it gets annoying. Only a real, responsible relationship with a woman who wants to be true partners will give you what you need as a human.

        If you communicate that you want a real relationship, then it will be difficult to find a woman in the United States, because the culture in the United States is going through a period in which women are very negative toward men.

        Try different countries. Things can be very, very different in a country other than your home country. Put on a backpack and hitchike through Europe during the summer. I recommend the Greek island of Ios in July. (But, I haven't been there in a long time.) The Greeks are nice but the real attraction is other travelers from all over Europe. Two-thousand-five-hundred women and an equal number of men, with nothing to do but socialize.

        Take buses and trains in less-developed countries. Stay in cheap hostels for backpackers. Read Let's Go: Europe. Read the Lonely Planet guides. You will meet women travelers who are a bit different because they also have decided to do a little more with their lives than stay home.

        If you want a wife, try looking in Brazil, where women are a little less religious about avoiding responsibility. If you look in Brazil, don't just marry the first Brazilian woman who seems wonderful. Talk to your woman about responsibility. If you don't get good answers, try other women. Learn the Brazilian culture. Learn the Brazilian social sophistication.

        You might also try Thailand, but you would probably need to learn to speak and write Thai, and you would need to learn an Asian culture, and it would be more difficult to find a truly mature woman. Remember the lyrics [] of the song [] "One night in Bangkok". Don't just fall in love with the first Thai woman who is nice to you.

        Quote from the song: "One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble. Can't be too careful with your company."

        The song is about a real event. One year the world chess championship was held in Thailand. The men went out at night, and were not prepared for the experience of being treated with gentleness. The Dalai Lama says that Thai people are gentle, and he's right.

        I've seen it myself. One night, a long time ago, standing on the corner of Patpong road, a western woman was trying to get control over her western man again after he had seen in a Thai bar that a woman could be truly gentle with a man. All the man had known in his entire life, apparently, was women being harsh with men.

        Again, don't marry the first Thai woman who is nice to you. Learn the culture. Learn the special challenges of being multi-cultural yourself and having a multi-cultural relationship.

        A good idea, if you are in a country in which the native language is not English, is to hang around a school that teaches English. When you see a woman who is interesting, offer to have a conversation in English with her, so that she can practice, if she will teach you the Thai culture. In Thailand, you might try visiting the
        • by h4rm0ny ( 722443 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @05:07PM (#23888635) Journal

          This is just more of the same old Slashdot pseudo-science that is posted as a real story.

          You got that right. And your entire post is interesting when compared to the actual article which I don't think many people have read (surprise, surprise). The study concluded that people with certain negative traits had more partners in a given time. Conclusion: They can't or wont keep a relationship going. We can presume that people without these traits are more capable or simply happier being with one person. All your suggestions are about how to find such a person. The "bad boys" in this study are seemingly after casual sex.

          The headline is a little less inflammatory when you translate it as "self-centred people are more likely to bounce from partner to partner than to have one particular partner."
        • by ScrewMaster ( 602015 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @07:42PM (#23889851)
          Couldn't have said it better myself. Many women in the U.S. claim to want "equality" when what they really want is to offload any responsibility for their own existence onto their partners of the moment. Oh sure, that's a generalization of Biblical proportions, I know. But there is more than a little truth to it, I think.

          For my part, I finally found someone that truly understands what "for better or worse" means and is in it for the long haul. More to the point, she is totally focused on making life better for both of us, not just herself. In turn, that frees me to give without reservation. I've been trying for a couple of decades to find someone like her, and it's a remarkable experience and I don't want it to ever end. Honestly, it took some time for me to realize just how different she is from all her predecessors, but once I did I realized I had to do whatever it took to keep her. That meant making some big changes, but they were all worth it.

          Unlike yours truly, she wasn't born here, but you know what? I couldn't be happier ... and I'm not looking back.
        • by kklein ( 900361 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @07:43PM (#23889861)

          Okay, there is a little stuff in there I'm uncomfortable about, but let me talk about what I agree with:

          If you're looking for a wife, get out of the US. Our angry, second-wave-feminist, crybaby boomer mothers raised our generation for men to hate themselves and women to hate men. For no good reason. Find me a man who says "women should stay home, barefoot and pregnant!" or "women make great secretaries, but that's about it." No. One. Thinks. That. But we all have to grovel and supplicate to prove we're not one of those sexist straw men our mothers made up.

          As a result, American, and most Western, women have become, in my opinion, untenable as life partners. I want equality in my marriage. By that I mean social equality. I don't want to be the bad guy. I just want to be someone's husband. Partner.

          Why do American guys flip over Asian women? Just as the parent says, it's because it's the first time most guys have ever had a woman treat him kindly. On the other hand, why do Asian women often flip for Western guys? Because for them, it's often the first time a guy has treated them kindly. This is why you see so many successful married couples with Western guy and Asian woman. The cultures' gender roles, in the current generation, are complementary.


          And this is where the parent has kind of fallen down...

          Don't expect it to stay like that forever. It won't. It can't. It shouldn't.

          East Asian households are basically run by the women. They expect to control the finances. However, in my experience (my wonderful wife is Japanese), and that of my friends, they're pretty damned good at it. It bothered me at first, but then I had to admit we were living very comfortably, I had plenty of money for toys, and we were saving over a third of our income! So I let that go. YMMV.

          In the West, we've been programmed to think that a housewife or stay-at-home-mom is a slave. She's not. My wife doesn't work, and even though we could get more money otherwise, and it would of course be fine if she wanted to, it's awesome. I now see why that's been the dominant model in every society since the beginning of time. I work outside of the house, she makes sure the house is operating correctly. We get to spend a lot more leisure time together that way. We don't have to spend our weekends cleaning the house and doing laundry. We eat healthy, home-cooked food that bonds us socially. She's not a slave, she's my best friend and partner. I gladly work my ass off to make sure she's comfortable, and she gladly works her ass off to make sure I am. That, my friends, is a partnership. Just because I'm the one making the money doesn't mean I'm in a higher position. I'm in an equal position. We're taking the entire job of life and splitting it up and assigning roles.

          For the record, if she could make more than me, I'd be delighted to stay at home and do the housework.

          I guess what I'm saying is this:

          1. If you are looking for a nice woman who wants a partnership, that's still in vogue in Asia.
          2. As the parent said, don't be a dick. Learn the language and culture. This will ensure that you're not getting into something you don't understand.
          3. Your preconceived notions are probably not complete. Asian women are strong and strong-willed. They expect to be given control of certain domains in your life, and you may need to go along with that, or work out a different deal, for your relationship to proceed harmoniously. Just because they don't treat men like crap doesn't mean they are Madame Butterfly. If that's what you want, um, well, you deserve to be unhappy and alone.
          4. Realize that in a culture where women are nice to men, that niceness may or may not actually be indicative of anything special. I got really burned with my first girlfriend (only have had 2) in Japan. I fell head-over-heels for her, wanted to marry her, but found out
          • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 21, 2008 @10:08PM (#23890747)

            I'm one of those women who reads Slashdot (occasionally), and I'm not offended.

            I think it is important to realize, however, that there are some American women (feminists, even!) who are actually looking for a partnership such as you describe.

            (Really, there are lots of different kinds of feminists, and lots of different kinds of feminism out there -- which is something that even some feminists tend to forget.)

            While personally, I can't see myself being a permanent stay-at-home wife and mother (I'm one of those lucky people who has a job that she enjoys and finds intellectually stimulating), I think that it's great that some women choose to do so. The whole point of feminism, I thought, was ensuring that women were able to choose. (Men, too, by the way.)

            I just wanted to clarify that I don't - nor, I believe, should other women - have a problem with the idea that a woman might choose to be a homemaker, as long as that is not her only option.

            (However, the rest of society obviously still has a long way to go - I hope the earlier AC who responded to your post was only trolling, but there are some people who actually seem to believe his shit, or at least, in the general misogynist sentiment behind it.)

      • Re:That's nice (Score:5, Interesting)

        by thegnu ( 557446 ) <thegnu@g[ ] ['mai' in gap]> on Saturday June 21, 2008 @05:46PM (#23889003) Journal

        Women who are abused are not the ones to blame. They are the ones who have the power to stop it but they are not really to blame.
        Yeah, but when people tell me that all acts of sex with a man are violence, it makes me think about statistics like these. It's pretty much consistently women who have the final say in mating; men make the overture, women accept.

        Therefore, this is being biologically ingrained in us by women. Which is not to say that it's not biologically ingrained in them, too.

        The other thing I find offensive about calling sex with men violent is that presently 50% of the males born right now in this country get some of the most sensitive parts of their penis removed in a routine medical operation (furthermore, when the "sex with men is violence" meme arose, it was closer to 80% of male babies). This is mutilation, even when there are no complications, such as the skin ending up too tight, or the shaft getting damage, resulting in a dysfunctionally bent penis, or part of the glans being removed, or hemmorraging. Anyway, best-case scenario, you desensitize the penis, which makes guys like rougher sex with unnatural levels of friction.

        It's hilarious when a feminist tells you that circumcision isn't genital mutilation. Maybe next time one does, you can slap her and get laid. :D
        (disclaimer: don't slap the bitches)

    • by 6Yankee ( 597075 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @02:12PM (#23886865)
      Amen. More than once I've been there to pick up the pieces after some Neanderthal has done his work. Nothing burns like having someone you care about in your arms, in tears, and hearing her say, "I wish I could find someone like you..." Like me, only an ape. Yeah, I know. (Bitter? Me?)
      • Re:That's nice (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 21, 2008 @02:30PM (#23887035)
        I'll revise the grandparent post for your benefit: Geeks who repeatedly get used in these types of relationships and then go cry to their geek friends deserve no sympathy. ;) It's too harsh, but, seriously. Re-evaluate your relationships.
      • Re:That's nice (Score:5, Informative)

        by aliquis ( 678370 ) <> on Saturday June 21, 2008 @03:00PM (#23887331) Homepage

        If she really do say that isn't that more or less an invite? Have you tried kissing her once she say it? If not the blame is on you my friend.

      • Re:That's nice (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Gewalt ( 1200451 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @03:11PM (#23887449)

        and hearing her say, "I wish I could find someone like you..."

        Ya, see, thats the point where you're supposed to put your tongue in her mouth. Failing to do so results in you not getting laid, and her continuing her search elsewhere.

      • by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @03:29PM (#23887631) Homepage Journal
        "Nothing burns like having someone you care about in your arms, in tears, and hearing her say, "I wish I could find someone like you..."

        I think at this moment Ted Nugent said it best "When in doubt, whip it out...."

      • Re:That's nice (Score:5, Insightful)

        by mgblst ( 80109 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @03:42PM (#23887755) Homepage

        It is simple. The reason that bad guys do better, is that bad guys don't waste their time with people who aren't interested in them, whereas people like you do. How are you supposed to get anyone else, if you are wasting all your time chasing someone who doesn't want you.

    • Re:That's nice (Score:5, Insightful)

      by vertinox ( 846076 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @02:13PM (#23886885)

      They should be smart enough to figure it out.

      I'm not sure if this was something from a Buddhist monk, but I always took it to heart:

      "The first step to having free will is to admit you have none"

      The point is that if you ignore your instincts(or 300 years of evolutionary programming) you will never over come it. You first must become aware of your limitations and natural impulses so that you can deal with them.

      If you become aware of such things then you are able to take a 3rd person view of yourself when such natural instincts arise and then are better able to deal with the situation with a clear head.

      • Re:That's nice (Score:4, Insightful)

        by tloh ( 451585 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @04:33PM (#23888245)

        ....or 300 years of evolutionary programming....

        So... umm... how was replication implemented before that was coded?

        *duck* *runs away*

  • by Harmonious Botch ( 921977 ) * on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:35PM (#23886557) Homepage Journal

    ...that's why it works

  • by orionop ( 1139819 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:35PM (#23886563) Journal
    boys with bad karma?
    Trolling /. will get me all the chicks
  • but.. (Score:5, Funny)

    by __aardcx5948 ( 913248 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:36PM (#23886569)
    But I'm not nice! I hacked into my school servers many times and got suspended because of that! I use public wlans all the time, that is not nice! Why don't I get the girls :(
    • Re:but.. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by alex4u2nv ( 869827 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:44PM (#23886641) Homepage

      Its not really the "bad boy" like the article claims.

      Girls are attracted to that guy who steps on everybody's toes for his own personal gains. A go getter, powerful person who aims high. These are people with leadership qualities, and in the "badboy" circle, they're "ring leaders."

      Girls run after these guys because with such a mate, her offsprings would have a better chance of survival.

      • Re:but.. (Score:5, Funny)

        by Lane.exe ( 672783 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:48PM (#23886683) Homepage
        Yeah, that's totally what women sit around discussing. "Oh, I like Tim! He's an ideal genetic match, and if I mate with him, our children will have all the advantages they need to edge out those mutants from down the block!"
        • Re:but.. (Score:5, Insightful)

          by synaptic ( 4599 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @02:19PM (#23886951) Homepage

          Most women do not consciously realize they select a mate on these criteria, but they do. So do men. There is a lot more compulsive, animal behavior in humans than we care to admit.

          Women do sit around and discuss it, just not necessarily in terms of genetics. But when women think or say "he's so strong", "he has a big dick", "i can control him so he'll stick around and help with the baby", etc.. Think about what these ultimately mean to a female and why she may be attracted to them.

          Whether you are aware of it or not, these cues tell you that your children with that mate "will have all the advantages they need to edge out those mutants from down the block"!

          • Re:but.. (Score:5, Insightful)

            by kaizokuace ( 1082079 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @02:57PM (#23887289)

            "i can control him so he'll stick around and help with the baby"
            hmmm. The back of my hand can answer that one.
            Also more generally instead of going into genetics and stuff women like guys who are confident and can take charge of situations. It's an attractive quality. This quality isn't found very often in "nice guys". Most nice guys are too afraid to cross any lines with others. From my experience girls really want nice guys but confidence takes priority and confidence is found easily in jerkfaces.
      • Re:but.. (Score:4, Insightful)

        by smittyoneeach ( 243267 ) * on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:54PM (#23886735) Homepage Journal

        These are people with leadership qualities
        Indeed. One seemingly stupid definition of a leader I once heard is: "Someone with followers".
        Look at all of the nitwits in the culture, of all genders and races, who have attention lavished upon them because of bad behavior.
        The word 'leader' is used so often in a positive context that no one thinks on nitwits as leaders, albeit of a negative sort.
        In a capitalistic society, where money is the only meaningful metric, there is no incentive for these leaders to improve behavior.
        Kevin Federline and Eminem (because accusations of racism are a total bore when trying to discuss responsibility) are going to continue to behave as nitwits as long as they're getting paid to do so.
        So let's give all these useless fellows a healthy dose of "ignore" and instead celebrate responsibility in manhhod.
        [10 seconds later, the destructive trends reassert themselves...]
      • Re:but.. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by cp.tar ( 871488 ) <> on Saturday June 21, 2008 @03:18PM (#23887529) Journal

        Girls are attracted to that guy who steps on everybody's toes for his own personal gains. A go getter, powerful person who aims high. These are people with leadership qualities, and in the "badboy" circle, they're "ring leaders."

        I know a guy like that... he's in college with me; very intelligent, rather charismatic, extremely eloquent and well-educated -- and at the same time very arrogant, narcissistic and even a bit Macchiavellian. Oh, and either very insecure, or very threatened by me. Or both.

        Unlike him, I'm rather anti-social and quite geeky and nerdy. When we met, I was in a stable relationship, which has ended in the meantime. He had some short flings, of which I've heard from his ex girlfriends.
        Now, when my relationship ended some year and a half ago, we were near the point of mutual disdain; I don't know what exactly about me bothered him, but I find it convenient to simply reciprocate other people's attitudes. Anyway, at that point he was trying to establish his macho identity, juggling around four girlfriends at any given time, though never really getting to sex. That is why some of the single girls he was toying with dumped him. But mostly, he kept trying to steal other guys' partners; I know of at least three relationships he tried to destroy.
        Then I got involved with my current girlfriend, who is in college with us, and who is almost as anti-social as I am, and a far better judge of character (so what you're reading is in great part her analysis, as presented to me). And he tried for a coup de grace: stealing his arch-nemesis' girlfriend. I had been pretty broken up about my first break-up, so the second one should have destroyed me, I guess.

        Needless to say, my girlfriend would never suffer the likes of me if she weren't madly in love. So his advances were unsuccessful; even more so because I do not act jealous, especially when there is a possibility that I am simply being provoked. She saw through his plan, too (his previous actions with other couples were a dead giveaway), and outright rejected him.

        He ended up with a freshman girl, and now appears to be monogamous.

        Now, what was this lengthy and probably fairly boring story about: even the so-called bad guys, with everything working for them, don't end up with all the girls.
        Most of the girls my colleague had been juggling were quite entranced with him; one of them told me she'd been considering breaking up with her boyfriend for him. But apparently, the bad boy failed to steal a single good guy's girlfriend.
        BTW, I don't know whether I qualify as a good guy; I don't care much how people perceive me, but I do know that I tend to come off as arrogant and cynical until you get to know me better.

        Point is, bad boys spend quite a bit of energy on getting girls. I watched some of my colleague's efforts, I heard rather more about them, and I know I would never invest so much energy in such a venture. The reason they get more girls, when they do get them, is also correlated with the amount of energy they invest.
        I invest my energy in one girl at a time. That means that if I do not succeed, I fail 100%. My colleague, juggling four girls at any given time, fails only 25% whenever he is rejected. And even if each of us courts the same number of girls, he will have gone through his girls much faster than I. This alone gives him "more girls".

      • Re:but.. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by structural_biologist ( 1122693 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @03:26PM (#23887603)
        My problem with the article is that it doesn't directly examine females' attraction. The study merely looks at how many sexual partners "bad boys" v. "good boys" have. Not surprisingly, the "bad boys," who desire more relationships of shorter duration, have more relationships than the "good boys," who do not desire such promiscuity. So yes, people who seek more sexual relationships have more sexual relationships. That's the duh factor of the article. It's up to future studies to determine whether these bad boys are actually more attractive or desirable to girls.
  • Arghhhh! (Score:5, Funny)

    by gardyloo ( 512791 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:38PM (#23886587)

    I know that's the only reason I would ever pirate software---chicks dig a nice new copy of Leisure Suit Larry.

  • by Gatekeeper444 ( 1260198 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:38PM (#23886593)
    I foresee a balanced and fair thread with little to no flaming from this article.
  • translation (Score:4, Insightful)

    by jaemmer ( 933127 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:39PM (#23886597)
    let me translate this... so their self-confident, exciting, and maybe appear to be rich
  • by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:40PM (#23886605) Homepage Journal
    Is this new really to anyone?

    Women always say they want a man that is nice, helpful, respectful and will treat them right. But, you see it time after time...they go for the guys that are assholes, abusive (sometimes even physically).

    I personally like to be a 'nice guy'. But, in my early years...I would often find myself ending up as the "friend" of the girl, and ended up listening to them go on and on about how much of a jerk this guy or that guy was, yet they still went with and slept with these guys. And, once you are in the friend zone before sleeping with them, you generally never get out of that zone.

    I tried after all that, to emulate somewhat the actions and attitudes I saw the successful 'assholes' did towards women, and guess what? Yep...I started getting more 'lucky'.

    If you are a bit aloof, and difficult...they for the most part won't leave you alone.

    Women generally don't seem to really want what they say they want in a man.

    Oh..they may eventually grab the steady, meeker nice guy, and have kids with them because they are stable, but then they will often go out and cheat....with the bad boy they meet and find they are sexually attracted and excited by.

    • by REJOSU ( 759953 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:52PM (#23886721)
      Precisely, I first figured this out to some extent in High School where my strategy at time time evolved to make fun of the girl I liked at the time the most to no end.

      It turns out, women are so self-conscious in High School that, even seeming that you are at some point where you are able to display that you better than them, they immediately want to latch on.

      I have since grown from this pattern, which works, for a select purpose.

      Some women will never grow up, and if you want to have one like that, what worked in High School, will probably work now.

      For the most part, however, women do mature to a point where a good provider is the best choice for her.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by cayenne8 ( 626475 )
        "Some women will never grow up, and if you want to have one like that, what worked in High School, will probably work now.

        For the most part, however, women do mature to a point where a good provider is the best choice for her."

        I think if it was a 'maturity' would be MUCH less prevalent in woman as they get older. I do not, for the most part, find this to be true. Look how many women are attracted to just the image of a 'bad boy' on the tv, movie or sports arena. These aren't just teeny-bopper

      • by Esteanil ( 710082 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @03:26PM (#23887597) Homepage Journal

        For the most part, however, women do mature to a point where a good provider is the best choice for her.

        For feeding the kids, yeah. For making them she'll still turn to the 'bad boy' alpha male. In her fertile period, her taste in men changes at the most basic levels - big muscles, hairy chests and the like.

        But look at the genetic statistics tests have shown sometime (google it, I'm too lazy to find it at the moment) sometime. There are amazing numbers of children whose fathers are not whom they think.

        Although, in many ways this does not really matter. But if widespread testing of fatherhood becomes the norm, our society will pretty much collapse.
    • by Hannah E. Davis ( 870669 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @03:06PM (#23887395) Journal
      I would like to point out that a woman's idea of how she wants to be treated might be different from yours.

      Too many self-described "nice guys" seem to believe that a woman should be put on a pedestal and treated like a delicate flower. The man in her life should hold doors for her, give her gifts, and obey her every whim. He should listen to her, support her no matter what, and never let slip the slightest criticism or contrary opinion.

      The problem is... a lot of us don't actually want to be treated like that -- to be quite frank, it's annoying as hell. Yes, we want a man who's nice, helpful, respectful, etc., but we'd rather have someone who pays attention to what we really want than some guy who thinks that acting like a puppy dog will get him laid.

      I like guys who aren't always there for me because it means they have lives of their own. I like guys who are not afraid to express their opinions -- criticism can be useful, and I love a good argument. And I like guys who don't pretend that I'm a flawless godly being, but instead acknowledge that I'm a regular human with as many faults as anyone else.

      Does this mean I like assholes? Perhaps, if you define an asshole as someone who treats me the way I want to be treated rather than the way guys like you think I should be treated, but I certainly have no desire to date a "nice guy."
  • by Excelcia ( 906188 ) <> on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:42PM (#23886629) Homepage Journal
    Studies confirm that studies confirming something everyone already knows tend to be highlighted on Slashdot more than other studies.
  • Great. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by DurendalMac ( 736637 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:46PM (#23886657)
    Well, now that science has figured it out, maybe we can find some kind of cure for stupid chicks that go after guys who are going to treat them like shit.
  • by jez9999 ( 618189 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:46PM (#23886661) Homepage Journal

    bad boys get the most girls.
    "The finding may help explain why a nasty suite of antisocial personality traits known as the 'dark triad' persists in the human population, despite their potentially grave cultural costs. [...]
    People with these personalities risk being shunned by others and shut out of relationships, leaving them without a mate, hungry and vulnerable to predators."

    Does it help you get laid, or what??

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Chas ( 5144 )

      No, it's not. You're a victim of misreading and over-editing.

      You missed the key sentence.

      At their extreme , these traits would be highly detrimental for life in traditional human societies.

      They're saying that while a little of these traits can get you laid, excessive levels of them wind up getting you ostracized from society.

  • by LordZardoz ( 155141 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:46PM (#23886663)

    If you have a large enough population of players where nearly everyone plays co-operate, the 2 or 3 assholes who play to betray do quite well. They only pay the price if they play the same opponent a few times. Without paying the price, they will do quite well.


  • by Schwartzboy ( 653985 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:48PM (#23886679)
    "Water is Wet", proclaims billion dollar study. We've also inadvertently discovered a relationship between financial status and attractiveness to women, as well as confirming that there just might be something to that theory of gravity thing.
  • Quantity ... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:51PM (#23886709)

    I'd say go for the Quality instead - all you need is just one, for the long term.

  • Slashdot (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:53PM (#23886723)

    The nicest bunch of guys anywhere on the net.

  • OK fine (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Ranger ( 1783 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @01:58PM (#23886761) Homepage
    But how does this explain hot chicks with ugly dudes?
  • dating books (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Yold ( 473518 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @02:05PM (#23886815)

    There are some how-to books for dating that advocate being a complete asshole. I download (pirate) books more than anything, and occasionally I'll see a dating guide that I'll skim over. Anyone with a social life has probably noted that there is a serious art in treating women like crap, and it will get you laid quickly.

        To speculate why this trait would be advantageous from an evolutionary standpoint, many people who treat women like crap have a "me-first" attitude, and are skilled manipulators of their social surroundings. To use an anecdote, I have a friend who is very good at picking up smokin'-hot young women in college bars (hes in college too). Despite having a relatively-low GPA, being a serious pot-head, and alcoholic, he has managed to finagle scholarship after scholarship out of his department. People like him; but I have never met anyone that the adage "familiarity breeds contempt" applies to more. I unfortunately know him well enough to understand that he is a borderline psychopath in regards to his empathy for other human beings.

    Back to why this is an evolutionary advantage, his "me-first" attitude will become an "us-first" attitude when he gets married, he will have no problem fucking-over his friends, co-workers, bosses, and neighbors for personal gain, because people will tolerate it to a certain extent. This is because he is largely like-able, although he avoids people enough so that they don't grow tired of his constantly selfish attitude.

    To sum my point, so-called "bad boys" that women like are skilled social manipulators that pull no punches. They probably are impressed by that, although this person has few desirable traits, people seem to like him, and also he gets what he wants by asserting social dominance through being well-liked.

  • Well, I RTFA (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BlueParrot ( 965239 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @02:19PM (#23886947)

    Bullshit conclusion. I have not had many partners during the last couple of years, but it wasn't because nobody was attracted to me, rather it was because I was in a relationship that lasted more than 3 years. The findings in the study could just as well be explained by suggesting women don't stay in a relationship with an asshole, or that the assholes don't bother with long term relationships, resulting in "bad guys" having multiple short relationships while the "nice" guys have fewer longer ones. You really can't conclude much about women's preferences from this.

  • by capnkr ( 1153623 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @03:50PM (#23887837)
    Come on /. - you can do better than *that*!!!

  • by nitehawk214 ( 222219 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @04:38PM (#23888281)

    I read this years ago, and it still holds true today. In fact it has probably held true ever since most marriages are no longer arranged, and will continue to do so for many years.

    Ladder Theory []

  • Oblig. Family Guy (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Dachannien ( 617929 ) on Saturday June 21, 2008 @04:51PM (#23888447)

    Brian: You wanna know how to get women? There's only one place to observe. (They go outside and look over at Quagmire's house.) Just watch.
    Woman: (runs out the front door) I am not doing that, Glenn!
    Quagmire: Come on, beautiful! Keep an open mind!
    Woman: You're a sick man!
    Quagmire: (yells) Hey, keep it down! I don't want my neighbors seeing a fat, old, dirty whore screaming at me on my front lawn.
    Woman: Whore?! (pauses, then more calmly) Well, maybe I should come inside.
    Quagmire: Well, maybe you should.
    Stewie: What the deuce? Why the hell would she respond so positively to such a negative comment? Unless... Brian, do women like it when you treat them like crap?
    Brian: Well I don't know if you wanna be so black and white about it -
    Stewie: Wait, that's it! Women respond when you treat them like crap!

  • by NaishWS ( 1263540 ) on Sunday June 22, 2008 @12:40AM (#23891593)
    Most nice guys are used as intellectual whores. Basically this means that whenever a girl gets in an argument with their boyfriend, they will go complain to their intellectual whore, who thinks by listening to her whine will get him in bed with her, when he is sadly mistaken. "An Intellectual Whore is a man who a woman keeps around for intellectual purposes. She is uninterested in him sexually and considers him a friend. He probably wants to sleep with her, so he pretends to be her friend in the hope of one day getting sex." Link Here [], it appears to be down at the moment.

All laws are simulations of reality. -- John C. Lilly