Cat Ownership Correlated With Heart Health 406
Ant tips us to a story making the rounds lately, based on reporting a couple of weeks old, that owning a cat could cut your heart attack risk by one third. No such effect was seen from dog ownership, but the researchers say that could be because there weren't enough dog owners in the study population to provide meaningful statistics. The study: "...analyzed data on 4,435 Americans, aged 30 to 75, who took part in the federal government's second National Health and Nutrition Examination Study, which ran from 1976-1980. According to the data in the survey, 2,435 of the participants either owned a cat or had owned a cat in the past, while the remaining 2,000 had never done so. [The] team then tracked rates of death from all causes, including heart and stroke. Cat owners 'appeared to have a lower rate of dying from heart attacks' over 10 years of follow-up compared to feline-free folk..."
Obviously (Score:5, Funny)
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LOL (Score:5, Funny)
K thnx bai
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Cats Purr (Score:4, Interesting)
Every species of cat purrs, both large and small. No other animal on earth purrs.
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Re:Cats Purr (Score:5, Funny)
Sure, I am known to purr on occasion.
--Rob
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And from http://www.lionresearch.org/faq.html [lionresearch.org]
Do Lions Purr like house cats?
Lions do occasionally purr, but they are different from house cats in that purring is not common or important in their social life. Also, lions make a sound only as they exhale instead of continuously the way house cats do.
(hah, for once getting to use my nick properly ^_^ )
Global Warming Correlated with Pirate Number (Score:2, Insightful)
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So, IOW, anything you might do to relieve stress -- pet your cat (or other pet), exercise (good one with additional proven health and heart benefits), shoot your mother-in-law, etc, is good for your heart.
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I always knew it!! (Score:5, Funny)
My cats (Score:5, Funny)
They obviously have never seen our cats. Stress reducers? I don't think so.
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Contrary to some people's beliefs, cats and dogs will get along very nicely once they get to know each other. The easiest way to achieve this is to let them grow up together from a very young age.
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Re:My cats (Score:5, Interesting)
You misunderstand the mechanism by which the protection is granted.
Endless years of kitty drama builds a general tolerance to drama in a person.
Then when the frustrating external event occurs that would have caused a normal person to blow a valve and die, you're emotionally prepared to roll your eyes, throw the instigator across the room and go back to your Sudoku.
Re:My cats (Score:5, Funny)
This cat does a lot of other things that has me convinced it's trying to kill me. rushes down the stairs to get fed and then stops on the second step from the bottom so you almost trip and fall to your death for example. I am sure if it could figure out how to flush the toilet when I was in the shower it would be doing it.
I am 100% convinced that cats hate humans. I am certain that if my cat was scaled up to large dog size I would be eaten within 24 hours.
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In other news, people who keep lions or tigers are unlikely to die of heart attacks, because their pets can sense who in the herd is weak and sick.
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This is one of those things that I love (Score:2)
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Just another dose of bad science (Score:2)
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Hmmm (Score:4, Funny)
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No. Why? Because people who sell insurance are stupid and evil.
Proof? Insurance covers fertility treatment, but it doesn't cover birth control. It covers cancer treatment, but not treatment for nicotine addiction.
The car insurance company is betting that you'll not wreck your car, while you're betting you will. The health insurance company is betting that you'll not get sick, and the life insurance company is betting you won't die.
-mcgrew
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Yes....but my ownership of a cat (Score:2)
Reasons? (Score:3, Insightful)
Anyone who owns a cat has had the groggy middle of the night lights-off walk to the kitchen to get a drink, only to step on their cat's tail and get that nice shot of a adrenaline pumping through their arteries. Maybe it strengthens their heart, or trains their reactions to not get so damned surprised by things that their heart could stop.
Then again if things like this happen often enough to have effect, maybe they just shouldn't have a cat :)
Pseudo-science (Score:3, Insightful)
Single people die earlier than married people. The reason does not appear to be that marriage prolongs life. Apparently those who have no strong ties to another person when they are 50 or older are likely to be alone because of some huge stress in their lives. It is the stress that kills, not being unmarried.
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Problem with these medical studies is that your average med school student avoids "hard" classes like the plague because they'll reduce his/her sterling GPA. Those include, notably, any math class beyond calculus (like upper level stats) and your real Physical Chemistry classes, for instance. As a result you get these clowns putting out research like this, the "cell phones cause cancer" thing, etc.
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As a divorced man, I think the reason single people die earlier is because there's nobody there to call 911. But that's just a hypothesis, not even a theory, let along proof.
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Not necessarily pseudo-science (Score:4, Informative)
Correlation does not mean causation.
Right.
Yet in TFA's case, there were also these statements:
So after RTFA, there is ample cause to believe that the statistics were analyzed within the context of a hypothesis that the reporter did not explicitly state.
Finding a strong correlation that must exist if the hypothesis is true generally increases confidence in the hypothesis.
Why wasn't the hypothesis reported in the story? More than likely, because it was framed as a null hypothesis [wikipedia.org], and those can be hard to dummy down to the general public's limited understanding of the scientific method— at least within the framework of articles like TFA. These are written to report newsworthy events, not to teach high school science.
I am so tired of this freshman science bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not a mistake at all, and your example is terrible.
First, what you're talking about is called a Confounding Variable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confounding_variable [wikipedia.org]
Second, you're making the typical mistake of assuming that because confounding variables are sometimes present that they are ALWAYS present, or not controlled for. Do you know what confounding variables were controlled for in this study before you make the assumptions you have? No you do not.
Third, that ridiculous "correlation does not equal causation" mantra that is so often tossed about is designed like so many other easily remembered but relatively useless memes. It's not a scientific principle, it's a caution, nothing more.
The fact is, most of the time, correlation has some effect on causation. If nothing else, it indicates a relationship worth examining.
"Apparently those who have no strong ties to another person..."
This makes me ask, why denounce his study then do exactly what you denounced it for?
I can't tell you how tired I am of people getting modded insightful for misunderstanding then regurgitating something that most people who discuss this subject should understand at a base level.
There's nothing remotely insightful about restating "correlation does not equal causation".
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Except you're completely wrong (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3035327 [americanheart.org] [americanheart.org]
http://www.naturalnews.com/021483.html [naturalnews.com] [naturalnews.com]
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/33677.php [medicalnewstoday.com] [medicalnewstoday.com]
http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/features/health-benefits-of-pets [webmd.com] [webmd.com]
Please stop using studies like these to reinforce your prejudices.
The truth about cats (Score:4, Funny)
Call 911? Heck, my cats can do that and perform CPR while administering Last Rites, just in case.
Seriously...my theory is that cats help reduce vermin about the house, thus contributing to the health of their designated care-providers. (Heaven forfend that anyone should ever think he owns a cat.) My house used to be overrun with those huge cockroaches that they call "palmetto bugs" here in Texas. After I got the cats, no more roaches (but fat and happy cats). They go after anything that wiggles, scuttles, or flies around. (Though their success rate on flying prey leaves something to be desired. Hmm note to self: must look into breeding flying cats.)
The association between humans and cats has been a long and mutually beneficial one. The only major issue to trouble this partnership was the invention of doors by an unknown carpenter circa 3800 B.C. (oddly enough, the unlucky inventor suffered a fatal fall down a steep stairway soon after filing the patent). Ever since, cats have been sitting in front of doors and meowing. Most people think the cat wants out (or in), but not so: the cat is demanding that all doors everywhere be permanently removed. A closed door is an offense to all cat-kind.
Could be a wonky correlation, like... (Score:2)
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Lies, Damn Lies And Statistics (Score:3, Insightful)
I like cats, and my family has had pet cats in the past, but I just can't give this "survey" very much legitimacy.
I could find a similar "survey audience" of beer drinkers, sex addicts, computer geeks (never mind, I'm already here!), root canal patients, or ANY group, and come up with whatever "favorable result" I want.
Just my opinion and observation, but it seems to me more like an agenda piece than an honest scientific exercise.
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Either way, cats live a long time for their size, they must be doing something right.
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So, you're saying the statistical link between cigarette smoking and cancer is bullshit? They didn't just survey cat owners, they surveyed pet owners and people who never owned pets.
Sorry, I just don't seee the insight there.
Reminds me of something (Score:3, Funny)
Catbert, evil director of human resources.
Catbert: Did you know that petting a cat results in lower blood pressure?
(employee begins to rub catbert's tummy)
Catbert: HA HA, IT'S A HEALTH BENEFIT! NOW I WILL CUT DOWN EVERYONE'S SALARY!!!
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I mean, if this is all it takes to have a career in research then maybe I picked the wrong field. I'd be happy to run some statistics through a data miner for a university salery and grant money.
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I think you have to know how to spell "salary" before they'll give you a grant, let alone a salary.
Sure as heck does dog ownership ... (Score:2)
Hmm? (Score:3, Funny)
Lies, damn lies... (Score:2)
I bet all the money in my pocket (admittedly not a lot) that this finding is a result of an overzealous data analysis.
The basic idea behind using statistical methods to test hypotheses is to compute the chance that the resulting data is oriented the way is is by coincidence. If this chance is exceedingly small, the variance in the data can't be explained by coincidence and must be due to some systematic effect. Depending on the type of research, probabilities between 5% and .01% are considered low and stati
Beneficial side-effect of toxoplasma? (Score:4, Interesting)
They must share one of those nine lives (Score:2)
I'd believe it (Score:2)
It's not necessarily a direct link to longer life, but most things aren't. Lead a relaxed loving life and at least you'll have enjoyed it, even if you do cark it early and your cat can't save you.
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If you are going to be ridiculously politically correct, please go all the way.
Thanks and regards.
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I would also point out that ownership of animals is not legally the same as ownership of inanimate objects. If I want to smash my TV with a hammer, I'm perfectly entitled to do so; cruelty to animals is a crime. In fact, I have a legal obligation to provide food, water, sanitation, and shelter to my pets. So the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (where I live) has already discarded the notion that animals are "nothing more than property". That is, they're legally considered property, but not on the same lev
Cat Owns YOU (Score:3, Funny)
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Legality (Score:3, Informative)
Disclaimer= I *own* and have *owned* numerous pets. They've all been treated very well, loved and cared for and fed. They have also all been my *property*.
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Simon's cat (Score:2)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4rb8aOzy9t4 [youtube.com]
Cat's reduce stress, sleep time, and number of garden gnomes.
And they increase headaches and broken glass.
Yes, we know (Score:3, Funny)
Besides, as one of the posters to my journal already noted, cats age people like people age wine and cheese.
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I don't know where the article is, but I swear I remember it, maybe even posted here on
Not Worth It (Score:3, Funny)
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News? (Score:2)
stats (Score:2)
plus, how did they measure these things?
for example, I have been measuring and recording the daily temperature every day this year, starting in August and ending in January. My stats so far show that the temperature of the Earth is cooling quite rapidly. so nuts to this whole global warming thing!
see how easy stats can be manipulated?
i think they should expand on this research.
Is it the benefit unique to cats?
perhaps it is a beneficial bacteria
Now it all makes sense! (Score:2)
After all, who else feeds kitties all the time, but old grannies?
CAT joke DOG joke (Score:4, Funny)
A: Spray him with lighter fluid. One match and he goes WOOF.
Q: How do you make a dog sound like a cat?
A: Dip him in liquid nitrogen and cut him in a band-saw. He goes MMMMMEEEEOOOWWW.
(Funnier with good sound effects.)
I know this killed my karma, but I had to share these.
Maybe Type A personalities don't like Cats. (Score:3, Insightful)
It could simply be that most hard driving type A folks destined for heart attacks, have less interest in Cats. Giving them a Cat wouldn't lower their actual risk.
Cat ownership may have nothing to do with it. It just may be that calm easy going folks buy more cats, and hard drivers don't. In the absence of the cats their rate of heart attack may be unchanged, you would just need another mechanism to identify them.
Useless. (Score:3, Funny)
But now there's proof that cat can help my heart... !
To the correlation-doesn't-mean-causation crowd (Score:4, Insightful)
And besides - weren't there a couple of studies that showed that pets in hospital have benificial effects on the patients?
Nobody OWNS a cat (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's get this straight. Cats only condescendingly permits us to live in the same house with them. They own us. You die less from heart attacks because it's cheaper for them to keep you alive than to find another pet human.
not in China (Score:4, Informative)
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Brilliant! (Score:4, Interesting)
"The following 5000 families who did not currently have a pet were given a cat. How many of them had heart attacks compared to the control sample?"
Then you can make a Reality Show out of it.
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Re:Toxoplasmosis - kills them before a heart attac (Score:3, Informative)
Additionally, humans are often infected with toxoplasmosis from eating raw or undercooked meat. This is in fact the primary way humans get infected--wikipedia mentions this as the main reason that up to 80% of people in france have come into contact with toxoplasmosis.
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As long as you don't mind a pet that thinks you're an overblown can-opener, sure.
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Rather than shitting in (hopefully) a single location and forcing you to clean it up on a near daily basis lest it offend their senses and they decide the clean, but unfolded, laundry would be a better target?
I do have cats, and I tend to think I would rather have cats than dogs. Besides, that is what I have a human spawn for.
Puppies/Human Larvae are cute.
One must be ever vigilant to protect your property from puppies/spawn
One must clean up the little.... treats left behind.
Neither listen well to verbal commands
Neither will shovel the drive or mow the lawn
Clearly children are nothing more than hairless dogs that have developed the ability to walk upright.
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Meet little Billy! [readingeagle.com]
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None, or nearly none.
You could, you know, teach your children not to eat cat shit. Or you could just let them develop an immune system. It's not my fault that you're a helicopter parent who brought your child up in an oversterilised environment so now they have to live in a plastic bubble.
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I don't think you're familiar with the term "cogenital toxoplasmosis".
It's not my fault that you're a helicopter parent who brought your child up in an oversterilised environment so now they have to live in a plastic bubble.
But thanks for showing that you're totally clueless. Now go and educate yourself, unless you want to embarass yourself in the future.
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Well said sleeping123. Like always when reading such studies, or at least before jumping to conclusions, read through this page [wikipedia.org].
It kind of reminds me of a ski-race my dad does every year. It goes over 90 km in the Swedish wilderness, and is extremely exhausting. Now, an article in a magazine he receives once stated that "people doing Vasalöppet (the race) are more healthy than others". When I asked him whether he thought the race wasn't getting unhealthy for him, as an old man, he quoted the arti
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Re:Cats vs Dogs flamewar on /.? (Score:4, Funny)
Cats suck, because they use emacs. Dogs rule because they use vi.
Re:Cats vs Dogs flamewar on /.? (Score:4, Funny)
Cats suck, because they use emacs. Dogs rule because they use vi.
Actually, cats use cat. Maybe some echo redirection.