American Space Age Reaches Fifty Years 101
Bryansix brings us a story about the 50th anniversary of the United States' entry into the Space Age. On January 31st, 1958, Explorer 1 became the first U.S. satellite to reach orbit. The New York Times is running a similar feature.
"Explorer 1 gave America a chance to recover some of its confidence and prestige after the Sputnik shock, but there was a scientific payoff as well: The data returned by the satellite showed that Earth was not surrounded by a swarm of killer pebbles, as some scientists had feared. However, the cosmic-ray readings hinted at the existence of bands of radiation surrounding the planet - an unexpected result that led to the discovery of the Van Allen Belts."
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Didn't notice the Fifties, did we?
rj
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http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/01/0247207 [slashdot.org]
I think we need another Commie Purge...seems that our old friends the Ruskies have infiltrated Slashdot as well, and it looks like the new Cold War is being played out in the comments section of our beloved tech journal!
Or maybe its a historical piece about an important event in history (start US Space program, which you have to admit is important no matter what the nationality), and the phrase "sputn
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Well, im prone to agree with you on the whole "Proud To Destroy" attitude of Neo-Capitalism, or US society as a whole...(I'm Canadian)
I really doubt that any organization is actively inserting propoganda into
This is still however a noteworthy event, even if its not really an actual event... perhaps /
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If you want to get noticed, you have to be First American Post.
- RG>
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Space age is old news (Score:1)
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We have a space station in orbit with humans on board.
We have interplanetary probes investigating other planets in our solar system.
We are using Global Positioning System to check where we are in the world.
We use satellite communications to talk, connect to the internet and send other information.
We use satellite sensing equipment to view our world like cloud patterns, deforestation, and other environmental systems.
There are many other things that I may have missed b
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Back in the good old 50's it was a piece of cake to get enough Delta-V without the entire rocket collapsing due to it's steel structure vaporizing.
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Killer Pebbles (Score:5, Insightful)
Orbit? (Score:1, Funny)
In other news.... (Score:2, Funny)
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[1] McFarlane ; Family guy
Started 50 years ago, peaked 39 years ago (Score:2, Interesting)
... and pointless (Score:4, Informative)
Let's face it folks: going to the moon in the 1960s was more about politics than it was about science. Had to get one over the commies. Now that the political motive is no longer there it is very hard to justify spending up on a 1960s scale space effort.
No wonder NASA still has a shuttle fleet that is 25 years old - or half as old as the whole US space effort.
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Oooooh, SHINY!
Didja hear about Britney going to the hospital?
(Plus there's the fact the P.T. Barnum was a piker compared to today's media.)
They haven't (Score:2)
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Because it is always government agencies that are doing space exploration and therefore it becomes on the level of boredom as the national budget or government investigations, people always want to have their say and find out the results but the process is too complex/boring for their tastes and not as action-packed as the newest TV show or movie.
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* I wonder where Osama bin Laden is and why we haven't caught him yet.
* I wonder how the Pentagon managed to "lose" billions of dollars.
* I wonder how much money that corporation REALLY made, or if they just cooked the books.
* I wonder if I will be able to afford my next tank of gas.
* I wonder if this food I'm eating is genetically modified.
* I wonder how many troops/civilians have really been killed in Iraq.
* I wonder if Paris will get another DUI.
* I wonder if I'll
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For example genetic engineering and medicine are now a driving force for all sorts of research. We looked into space, and just saw more space and rocks that are really expensive to get to, now we look into ourselves and see all kinds of possibilities. The excitement over a couple remote controlled cars on Mars shows there is still excitement about space it is only muted right now since it is so expensive we are very limited in what we can do. Eventually technology
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I think you're wrong in several ways. People are intested in genetics, semiconductors, and nanotechnology -- but there is no sense of awe, no sense of wonder, at least among the general public. Sure, people care, but they don't *dream*. There's no exploration involved (except in a metaphorical sense).
Furthermore, space isn't *that* expensive. We could be doing a lot more on not much increase in budget if the willpower was there. And it wouldn't take much willpower and effort to bring the cost down dr
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People *dream* about a cure for cancer, people *dream* about all the possibilities of stem cell research, people *dream* about a future society and how robots and computers change our lives.
Reality has muted the dreams of space exploration, just as they have muted those of flying cars - we haven't given up, but
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People wish for a cure for cancer, but it is not the fuel of imaginations. There is no Star Trek about a cure for cancer. That's not to say it's not important or worth working towards; quite the opposite. It just isn't something that inspires wonder and awe and sparks the imagination the way space exploration once did and hopefully will again.
Space is most emphatically not prohibitively expensive -- not if the goal is for humanity to have a presence in space, and to explore and learn. Sure it is if th
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What about "House"? There are plenty of things people imagine in the field of medicine and genetic engineering - what if scenarios about cloning, genetic engineering of superhumans, creation of deadly supervirus, etc.
Space in Star Trek is a setting, the same stories could be told underwater ala Seaquest, and in terms of inspiring people CSI has done the same thing.
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I don't think House and CSI are really the same thing, but I figure I've made my point in that regard.
The cost per pound to launch things has come down, but only slightly. The reason is most emphatically not that we need technological breakthroughs. The energy required is large, as you say, but that's only a very small fraction of the cost (for most launchers, the propellant costs are comparable to the accounting errors). What's needed is simple: someone has to decide that they want to build a launcher
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It happened when LIFE Magazine closed its doors and Chesley Bonestell laid down his brushes.
Going to the moon was a chess move (Score:2, Interesting)
Right, but to be precise it was a political chess move that cornered the Soviets into a position where they didn't have any easy responses. That's why Kennedy wanted something that was "hard" to do. At the time, Mars would have been impossible, and Venus is still impossible (to land on). So the Soviets were basically trapped as far as taking any larger "leap" for mankind. The largest possible leap had already been taken.
Th
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Manned space station? [The Russians actually accomplished this one.]
Manned orbit of Venus (even without landing this would be a technical feat)
Manned lunar base?
I agree landing on the moon was a big deal and tough to top, but th
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Launching a satellite for the first time not only captured the public's imagination, a scientist in 1957 would look at this Sputnik phenomenon and conclude that it presented a pretty airtight proof that the Soviets could build an ICBM to reach any spot on earth.
A moon shot implies that too, but because it is so exacting, it further implies that
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It's not as if Apollo was particularly expensive either. Sure, 25 billion dollars (1960s) sounds real expensive, but given there were 200 million Americans at the time, the cost works out to a bit over 10 bucks a year per person over the 10 years of the program. That's probably not much more than a kid's pocket money each to watch arguably the greatest film ever shot (and it was real!!).
It's certainly a lot less than the warmongering sacks of shit spent on 'Nam, which achieved fuck all other than killing millions of people, poisoning vast areas of land, sowing mass social discord and ruining the lives of young men.
I'm convinced that historians will look back on Apollo as the high point of our civilization, before it sank into selfish decadence. When I was a kid, everyone wanted to be an astronaut. Now they want to be a rap star with guns, bling and mansions full of semi-naked hookers.
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I believe we are only a few (3 to 4) years away from being patriotic and supporting America like it was done in the 50's and 60's. Not that we will be at war, but rather true peace. We will have our heroes back and have a bunch of new ones as well. I predict that some individuals will become heroes who even post here on Slashdot for i have read a lot of very thought provoking messages over the last 10 years.
I visualize peace and cooperation in the world beginning to happen at an amazing rate. Perhaps each country will have their share of heroes too... I would be all for that.
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There can only be peace when we are ruled by logical, thoughtful and considerate leaders who do not have to face the wrath of the people. I for one welcome our new robotic overlords.
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No, the microprocessor was. But the moon is perhaps the most enduring.
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Ya, its not like the moon has large quantities of silicon (think solar panels) and oxygen (think fuel) sitting in a relatively low gravity well with easy access to space-borne assembly platforms for all kinds of goodies, including stuff that's easier to build in micro-g or vacuum.
There are many more reasons to go to space than to look cool, and its not just science either.
Aikon-
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Bahaha, there are rocks floating around up there with millions and billions of tons of iron and other raw materials. One single rock (can't recall the name now) was estimated to have five tons of iron ore for every man, woman and child on earth. Add to that we have basically infinite energy to fuel space industries in the form of the sun. So, if you can't see the benefit to continued space exploration and trying to get to space more cheaply, thats fine, others will be eating that lunch!
Actually, it has not peaked. (Score:2)
Not A Triumf For America... (Score:2, Informative)
But in Soviet Russia, Space Age Reaches 51 Years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_1 [wikipedia.org]
Russian space age reaches 51! (Score:3, Funny)
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I wonder why nobody has pointed out that Explorer could have been launched late in 1956, were it not for the vanity of the US Navy, who insisted that the first US space rocket should be an all-American affair (Vanguard). The Juno rocket had been developed by the US Army with the help of von Braun and his Peenemünde team in 1955-56, and was sitting for over a year in storage until after the Sputnik shock and failed Vanguard launches.
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At 50, aching back, diapers... (Score:2)
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December 14 (Score:5, Insightful)
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Quoth Wikipedia.
It would also freshen up the conspiracy theories, which would be a nice change..."nah, they did it all in LightWave, its not real"
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I beg to disagree on all counts.
Firstly, I believe my odds of going are significantly better than the average person's, due to my career choice. Still not good, but way better than average.
Secondly, sending a robot isn't as good as sending a person, even if only for purely sentimental reasons -- which are not without value. And if you say they are, then I ask very simply -- what is wrong with you? Have you no sense of wonder? No drive to see humanity explore?
And thirdly, robots are *not* substitutes for humans when it comes to doing basic science. The MER robots do in a day what a trained geologist could do in a couple minutes. The problem is that we're too modest in what we ask for from our missions. If we started by asking what a trained scientist could do given a week or two, and wrote that up as the mission objectives, you'd rapidly discover that no robot we could imagine building in the near future could complete the mission.
What kind of geek are you? How can you not look at the sky and want to *go* there? If you truly tihnk robots can do anything you want done up there, then I believe you have misplaced your imagination.
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Maybe he's a geek with a driving passion for robotics? One who wants to improve robots as much as you want to explore?
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A political geek, an economics geek, or a geek of a different category of interest?
:)
C'mon, there are more flavors of geek than there are flavors of Baskin Robbins. If I were the right kind of geek, I would even try to catalogue all the types.
Never mind that a geek might be claustrophobic or even agoraphobic, both of which might preclude space travel.
/Today I'm an *argumentative* geek.
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Perhaps one day robots will surpass people for general purpose work; but that day is neither today nor in the immediate future.
Astronauts, even if they are only highly skilled technicians, can do the basic science work. They might not be the principle investigator, but there are many qualities that make them superior to robots. They're general purpose and good at using a multitude of tools. They can be given complex and somewhat vague instructions and perform them well -- and those instructions are tri
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Firstly, I believe my odds of going are significantly better than the average person's, due to my career choice. Still not good, but way better than average.
The odds of you going comparative to someone in India or Namibia are irrelevant. If you are not already on the list of astronauts for flight (which stretches longer than the remaining SS missions) then the chances of you getting on the ship to the moon (if there IS one, looking less likely every day) are close enough to zero to be sensibly discarded. We can almost discard the mission itself - there really is no public sentiment for it, and no reason beyond sentiment for going. Manned missions are a moderni
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If I go to space, it won't be through NASA -- my odds on that are no better than average. I won't go into details except to reiterate that my odds aren't good even so, and it will be a while if I do. There exists a set of not-implausible optimistic assumptions that has me getting a ride to space, which is more than most people can say. I'm young and patient; I'll take what I can get, for now.
Of *course* there are better ways to draw broad maps of a planet than to have a person walk it. You are aware t
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Virgil Ivan "Gus" Grissom
Cool Logo (Score:2)
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Unless NASA really just invented time travel, and has been cherrypicking the future for "inventions" ever since...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_logo [wikipedia.org]
Although, the Star Trek emblem is far better looking, and has withstood the test of time (although trimming itself down)
However...
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-082606a.html [collectspace.com]
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Flat spin (Score:5, Informative)
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Which just goes to show that the author didn't do his research on O'Neill colonies. O'Neill was a physicist, he knew the issues and addressed them (two cylinders tethered together, the agricultural ring, etc image here [wikipedia.org]). And, of course, they do have constant dynamical control.
Just because some artists and Babylon 5 get it wrong doesn't mean the physicists did.
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Which just goes to show that the author didn't do his research on O'Neill colonies. O'Neill was a physicist, he knew the issues and addressed them (two cylinders tethered together, the agricultural ring, etc image here).
Actually, the author mentions all this. Besides, O'Neil was a particle physicist, not a rigid-body dynamicist, and even the mighty experts screw up now and then, as Explorer 1's flat spin illustrates.
And, of course, they do have constant dynamical control.
My original point exactly (
Well, things have changed ... (Score:2)
It is now.
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JPL Amateur Radio Commemorative Event (Score:4, Informative)
good NOVA episode on this (Score:2)
- An earlier launch at Vandenburg failed. Two branches of the military were competing, but the Vandenburg one got first dibs. Van Braun kept a "skunk works" going with JPL just in case the other failed.
- The US was afraid of the legal aspects of orbiting a satellite over another country without their permission. That may have delayed the US effort.
- Eisenhower was an active participant in
Yep they celebrated all right (Score:2)
I was stuck in Huntsville for a day following a meeting, and had planned to go to the Rocket Museum.
Of course, it was closed for the celebration.
Go figure.