Researchers Create Beating Heart In Lab 258
Sunday Scientist writes "Minnesota researchers have created a beating heart in the laboratory. In a process called whole organ decellularization, they grew functioning heart tissue by using dead rat and pig hearts as a sort of flesh matrix, and reseeding them with a mixture of live cells. The goal is to grow replacement parts, using their own stem cells, for people born with defective tickers or experiencing heart failure."
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Re:Unthinkable just 25 years ago (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Unthinkable just 25 years ago (Score:5, Insightful)
Wikipedia placed the publish date of "The Long Arm of Gil Hamilton" in 1976, The first successful kidney transplant was in 1954(for identical twins, so no rejection)and the first human heart & liver transplants were in 1967.
So, at the time the story was written - humanity seemed to be on a steady march towards being able to transplant more and more organs. Cloning hadn't made the news yet. Stem cells were hardly known to the public.
So I could see an author, in 1976, positing that eventually our desire for replacement organs might warp society a bit. The usage of convicts sentenced to death for this would be the mcguffin, as would the expansion of death penalty cases.
Meanwhile, 30 years later we're getting close to being able to clone (just)organs, we've discovered making computers fast and small is easier than large and smart, we have NOT conquered the human mind, space, or the sea like the writers of the '50s thought.
At least we aren't quite as screwed up as the author of 'soylent green' would have you believe.
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Niven counter-example (spoilers) (Score:2)
In the course of the novel, a slower-than-light starship arrives with a how-to guide for a brand-new technology: Custom-grown organs. The protagonist sees grown-from-seed organs developing in a tank, and assumes that they are from children! Actually, they spell the end of the local tyranny.
That was in 1968, just a year or two after the first "Gil the Arm" story.
Re:Unthinkable just 25 years ago (Score:5, Insightful)
The advantage of using your own stem cells instead of parts of some poor sap cut up for his crimes or beliefs, is that the former should be less subject to rejection. Assuming they ever get this approach viable for use in humans. I'm hoping so because, as the population becomes an increasingly aged one in Western countries, the pressure on organ banks is going to increase. And as the population becomes increasingly obese, the supply of healthy candidates for organ donations is only going to decrease.
Oh well, it could be worse. Transplants could have been available back when people thought debtor's prison was a good idea.
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As for Niven's earlier future, you might want to take a closer look at what goes on elsewhere in the world.
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Interesting engineering opportunities (Score:5, Interesting)
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Are you sure about that? (Score:2, Insightful)
There are doping leagues for baseball, basketball, and football? I've never heard of that. Are you talking about a European thing?
"The problem is, people will only pay to see the non-doping leagues at the moment."
In the one sport I know of that does have doping and non-doping, bodybuilding, the doping league is where the money is overwhelmingly made. Maybe this is just a US thing, don't know.
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In any case, I think its inevitable - so there is not much point in arguing about it. Everybody uses their strengths to make up for their weaknesses. The fact that humans are much better in brains than just about anything else just means that the brains will figure out a way to make up for the rest.
What's the difference between having a few extra heart chambers vs wearing eyeglasses or a hearing aid?
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Growing and harvesting organs is fine in scifi.. but in real life it seems to make people squeamish. Just like the concepts of open heart surgery and organ transplants used to make people squeamish.. also notably like the concept of x-rays, CT scans and cancer treatments don't make them quite so squeamish.
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Lastly, we're cyborgs today. Our dependance on
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That's more than likely to result in your body's finely tuned system malfunctioning. Just imagine taking a "normal" engine out of a car and replacing it with Mazda's Wanker engine - I'm sure you'll end up with with a huge mess, leaking fluids all over the place. Not to mention a broken crank shaft.
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I can already see the change in SPAM (Score:2)
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Captcha = Turgid
Violent action ensues.
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Great. I can't wait to get more email offering me a new organ...
Install several in parallel (Score:5, Funny)
Think of the gains of installing 2 in parallel, or even 4.
Though it would probably be nice to get their beating synchronized.
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In humans who live long enough to die from old-age problems, having 2 parallel hearts could be an advantage because if one failed there would be a backup.
However death by heart disease is only historically a recent major cause of mortality, and most victims are past the age that reproductive fitness could work out a dual-heart solution.
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I suggest that you read how octopus uses the hearts. We could simply use one heart for the brain, other heart for the legs etc.
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I wasn't given this advice and found that DOS4GW (as I remember) just wasn't made for 1GHz+ machines.
One to avoid.
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Damn straight! (Score:2)
Of course, as late as the mid 1950s reputable engineers scoffed at the ideas of flights to the moon. This could come together faster than you can imagine.
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Don't go abusing your body assuming you'll be able to get a new heart any time soon.
Of course, as late as the mid 1950s reputable engineers scoffed at the ideas of flights to the moon. This could come together faster than you can imagine.
It could but I still don't see why exactly I would want to take that chance. I mean it might not be ready in time for me which would result in death. If it is ready in time, then you are still looking at heart transplant surgery which sounds umm, painful and expensive amoung other things. I will stick with the parent posters ounce of prevention mentality, thank you very much.
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You might be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in my lifetime.
They noted that the hearts were beating within 8 days - while I presume it might take longer for effective beating, I could see specially prepared pig hearts be decelled and then reseeded with stem cells from the human patient. A month later, they transplant, with no lingering need for immune suppression drugs.
While fusion is still two decades away, at lea
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Well, now I know where to order my supplies of humidity-saturated bedding ;)
I kid!
--Rob
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There's been some promising work done in the area. Eg. Growing teeth [reuters.com] from stem cells and fabricating bones [howstuffworks.com] with a 3D printer.
But there's still so far to go
choices, choices... (Score:4, Funny)
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(Deus Ex, IIRC)
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Cool, but... (Score:5, Funny)
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Brains beat Evolution. (Score:2)
If you're a Boomer, forget it. (Score:2)
If you're a boomer, forget it.
(At the age of about 11, back in the late 1950s, I was expecting medical technology to be able to stimulate the growth of a "third set" of replacement teeth - tooth-by-tooth as necessary, by the time my adult teeth might be worn out or destroyed by decay or misadventure. More than half a century later where's THAT flying car?)
The FDA approval process takes long enough (currently a minimum of 10
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And I seriously don't think the US government has held back research on stem cells. They just don't pay for it. Not every medical tech needs to be funded by the government.
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Get it done in a country which is commercialized, but very poor. For example, it cost
Re:If you're a Boomer, forget it. (Score:4, Informative)
Unfortunately, they also consider that, if they ever spent any money on the construction or operation of the facility, they've "paid for it" sufficiently that no stem cell research can be done there. That eliminates virtually all medical research facilities - certainly all of 'em that are attached to universites and medical schools.
(Now if it were up to me the enforcement of that would consist of charging a higher overhead rate - calculated to replace the federal contribution to facility construction and operation under normal accounting principles - to any project that came under the federal ban. But it's not up to me. And the obvious intent of congress was to do their best to ban the research, rather than just pull federal funds.)
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I intend to live just long enough (naturally) that I can live forever (engineered).
What's the probability that something can go wrong so that you don't live forever? I mean, forever is an awfully long time. I'd be surprised if humanity survives for a million years into the future, let alone 1 person. The thing about technology is that the more powerful it is the more destruction just a single person can do -- and that's just one of the threats.
What about your brain? Is it going to be backed up somewhere so that they could restore it? Can they restore it into two different people? A
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Way I view it is "live forever or die trying"
Sure, that's a common view -- most people want to live forever. I just disagree with the wild optimism of Kurzweil's followers. Technology for drastically extending life may just be around the corner, but I think eventually everybody will face death. Just remember that technology can be used for both health and destruction, accidents happen, etc. If nothing else there's the heat death of the Universe as a possibility :)
It would be far less risky from a philosophical standpoint to replace the brain with artificial parts and gradually integrate with a machine than to try to scan yourself and effectively kill off your body and brain
But accidents will happen, ones that will overcome your little nano-machines, and t
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You See,My Stethoscope Is Bobbing to The Throbbing (Score:4, Funny)
It Goes Boom Boody-Boom Boody-Boom Boody-Boom, Boody-Boom Boody-Boom Boody-Boom-Boom-Boom
Well, Goodness Gracious Me!
Next up on OldTyme Radio overnight, Dr. Hanny Lector and the Cannibals with their top hit, Liver & Chianti. Hope you like it...
Not quite creating. (Score:4, Informative)
Which is possibly even cooler, and I'm sure you can find 50k hearts a year in the US that wouldn't normally be donatable because of time constraints. (A heart is (normally!) only good for 4 hours after death or removal iirc). And even beyond saved lives, we can hopefully get a better quality of life too, since there should be less time waiting for a transplant with a half dead body.
Hmm, do modern artificial hearts last 8 days reliably? And would a diseased heart be practical?
What about organ rejection issues, will those be causes by the dead heart, the stem cells, both?
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blimey. (Score:4, Interesting)
so there are a few options I see...
1. one use a dead donor heart as a shell and recellularize (that cannot be the correct term) with the patients stem cells assuming you can get them while he survives on what is left of his old heart and then transplant and hope there is no rejection
2. transplant the patient with an artificial heart until his old one can be repaired in the lab
3. find some way to create a fake heart "shell"? maybe extract some tissue from his current heart but not enough to kill him and create a template that the stem cells can be used to grow him a new heart over a few months.
of course they still need to manufacture a sufficient source of patient stem cells. does this sound reasonable?
of course in the UK, we have just got a new source of donors... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7186007.stm [bbc.co.uk] our prime minister has just decided to add the entire country onto the donor list unless we explicitly opt out. Gill the Arm would be amused...
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The "other piece" is also nearly there. (Score:4, Interesting)
Given that another project also underway is "writing" synthetic organs using a rapid prototyping system (3D plotter) loaded with live cells, structural proteins, and growth factors, the salvaged-and-decellularlized organ should be rendered unnecessary in short order.
The fact that a substrate with the right chemical markers can be repopulated into a working organ means the process can proceed in two steps. This may make it easier to accomplish - especially by reducing the need for functioning blood-supply plumbing to provide nutrition and oxygenation in the eary stages of construction.
But will you be able to afford it? (Score:3, Informative)
A friend of mine was working in a hospital when some old and ill VIP had a heart failure and he not only got a replacement right away (while others died waiting for a replacement for months), no, he also got a second heart when the first one was rejected by his immune system within a day. Well, he died anyway from unrelated causes soon after, but I can't get over the vision of two otherwise perfectly healthy normal guys dying just because two hearts were *wasted* this way. I want to vomit each time I have to think of that event.
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I mean, really. The stinkin' rich will have their hearts replicated and grown one after another just in case, while you and me will just drop down, carried to a hospital, and die. Somehow that's *not* the future I was thinking of when I was young. The bits and pieces (hah!) are there meanwhile, but our society isn't there at all. A friend of mine was working in a hospital when some old and ill VIP had a heart failure and he not only got a replacement right away
Why do you think that would ever change i
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Still ain't much of a difference, though. I don't think there are many more people who just happen to be business-savvy enough to build up a multi million dollar fortune from zero than there are people who are charismatic enough to make connections with VIPs. In the end, both systems mostly reward people who just got lucky.
It's just a different kind of unfairness. If you want actual
Will they be able to control its growth? (Score:2)
Oblig. Cosby (Score:2, Funny)
It has escaped from the laboratory, and is heading for your house.
You should consider smearing Jello on your kitchen floor and setting fire to your sofa.
Can I buy one... (Score:4, Funny)
I don't think she ever had one.
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How about something simple first... (Score:2)
First heart attack might do a little damage to the heart but provided he survives the first year he should have another 25 years before he clogs up the new ones and by then he'll be having regular checkups.
not to rain on the parade (Score:3, Funny)
so the announcement seems like there is this major advance, heart cells beating in tandem, shaped like a heart. but it doesn't seem to take that much more technical acumen than what has been around for a while, as heart cells will naturally synch up
so they put the cells and grew them in a heart shaped matrix. then biorhythms and mother nature took over
they've been doing that with skin cells for awhile
again, not to rain on the parade, but i think the technical leap implied here is being overstated. it's good news nonetheless, and i cheer it
Great!!! (Score:2)
Was the doctor's name... (Score:2)
Was the head doctor's name Herbert West?
(ba-dump-bump. Bump-bump. Bump-bump...)
--Rob
Next up: The Chicken Heart (Score:2)
Sadly, this hilarious joke will be too old a reference for most of you kids. *sigh*
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Wrong! It was the first thing that I thought of when I read the headline.
Bill Cosby = Wonderfulness [amazon.com].
Perfect valentine's day gift (Score:2)
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Are you that guy with the sign; "Will code HTML for food"?
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improving longevity ... is a noble goal in science.
Is it? I'm not so sure. True, there are few who wish to die, and advancing technology in the medical world allows us to delay death for some amount of time. Isn't that selfish, though, in a world where resources are at a premium, and hundreds of thousands die each year of malnutrition?
How much are we willing to put into saving a single life, when the same resources could be used to save a hundred?
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Depends, how much is that single life worth? (Score:2)
And the question is not WE, but you. How much are you willing to put into saving YOUR life. Don't worry, you are young, there will come a time when you realize just how close death is when you will feel very different. It is called getting old. All of sudden you will think it is a good idea to shovel all the money made into care for the elderly and that those young whippersnappers should just thoughen up and carry the burden you didn't want to carry for your elders (or even yourselve).
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Thank you, I'll be here all week. Tip your waitress.