Using Google Earth to Find Ancient Cities 127
An anonymous reader writes "A story in the online site of the Aussie science mag Cosmos discusses how archaeologists are using sophisticated satellite images to find previously undiscovered cities. What 's really cool is how some are simply using Google Earth — and discovering all sorts of previously unknown sites!"
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http://www.cosmosmagazine.com.nyud.net/node/1764 [nyud.net]
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Seriously, though, if anyone's thinking about pointing a satellite back at Earth, why not have an archaeologist looking at the feeds for just the purpose TFS (can't read the article do to
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That's odd.
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Makes you wonder why they bothered mirrororing it...
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I replied to a reply to a comment that had a link. That server has been at times slashdotted too.
So sorry for your sake that I don't click on every link in every post between the submission and the post to which I'm replying, but some of us have things to do besides look at goatse and myminicity redirects.
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Google must be a treasure trove... (Score:1)
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That it's some mystical "mana" energy that flows
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Of course they exist. They are lines that connect points of gullibility
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Do you really think all air is equally conductive? Do you think that discharges of static happen in a perfect sphere? Does the ionosphere reflect man-made radio waves only at certain angles and not natural radiation? Do clouds, hills, and deposits of metal in the ground not effect the shape of magnetic fields? DO you think magnetic fields interacti
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"I'm making fun of the same people you're trying to set straight."
"You're gullible and I'm pointing it out, but here's a smiley because I don't want to seem too hard on you."
"Energy doesn't move around without human intervention, you silly beast."
Which one, definitively now, was it?
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Of course even if we found a way to tap those flows, corporations, governments and religions would all try to claim control of it, or abolish it as contrary to their plans.
Not to mention the wise old adage, TANSTAAFL: There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. If you could somehow tap energy from the Earth's magnetic fields, the Earth's magnetic fields would weaken. And unlike most other power sources on Earth (excepting nuclear), the planet's magnetism is not solar-powered, and the Earth will not recharge its magnetic field naturally. The Earth's magnetosphere is responsible for many important life-sustaining functions, such as protecting us all, in non-polar regions at lea
Using The Core as a serious example in a debate (Score:1)
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If you don't believe that short, small, dynamic bursts of energy from one point to another sometimes happen, then why don't you show us the evidence to refute it?
Of course "bursts of energy" can occur from one point to another. Lightning would be a good example. The problem is that there is some vague notion of a "line of energy" which some people like to call a "ley line". I suppose this amounts to some kind of equally vague hypothesis. However, a hypothesis usually stems from some kind of an observation which you wish to explain, so what is the observation is the case of "ley lines"? There really doesn't seem to be any kind of sensible or consistent observatio
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In the particular case of ley lines many possible phenomena like magnetic ores, auroras, swap gas, early morning fog over distant mountains, fault lines, weather fronts, and maybe even stratus clouds could have been seen as evidence of something we'd explain away in the days of science and skepticism. If you con
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The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. If you claim these bursts happen, and he says that he doesn't believe it, you have to prove that they happen.
Personally, I'm in the don't-know camp.
Ley lines and dowsing rods (Score:3, Interesting)
The people I work for are somewhat floofy new-age spiritualists. During my first week at this job, they had some 'feng-shuei' person over with a pair of straight metal rods with little right-angle bends at the ends for handles - "dowsing rods" - to detect where the "magnetic ley lines" of the building were, and thus how to align the furniture. Said person would walk around the building, "dowsing rods" in hand, and every so often then would swi
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- the area isn't covered by high definition
- even the 'high res' isn't suffisent to wacht ppl's face
- not enough updates, no "earth movie"
- still didn't found a infrared option to see what ppl are doing at night through the roofs!
Crap
Work underwater? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Work underwater? (Score:5, Interesting)
Imagine the submarine hunting possibilities! No way the military has not at least investigated the technology...
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NASA Shuttle Radar Topography Mission (SRTM) (Score:2, Interesting)
"SRTM acquired enough data during its ten days of operation to obtain the most complete near-global high-resolution database of the Earth's topography."
The data is very accurate and they released a version of the data to the public. Apparently, there is a much more accurate classified version of the data. I'm sure they could find all sorts of things with this database.
Note, they
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It's true that radar doesn't penetrate the ocean's surface. However, the surface of the ocean is not spherical (or even oblate eillipsoidal) -- the water surface mirrors the topography of the ocean floor. (Strictly speaking, the water just follows the equipotential surface of earth's gravity field, which is influenced by the rocks in the seafloor.)
This was first
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Yours truly,
Nyarlathotep
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Didn't work for me (Score:2)
Besides, after a few hundred years wrecks don't look like anything from close up unless you really know what you're looking for.
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The next generation WorldView-2 satellite from DigitalGlobe [digitalglobe.com] will have a 'Coastal' band (450 - 500 nm) in addition to the Blue, Green, Red and Nea
CIA (Score:1)
First time... (Score:5, Interesting)
Nothing new really (Score:2)
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they did this in 1992 (Score:5, Interesting)
they found a biblical city called ubar in oman this way, by tracing the minute traces left by ancient caravan roads only visible by certain radars on a huge scale
no lost ark, but apparently this is where all that weird stuff called frankincense came from
satellite imagery (Score:5, Insightful)
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You haven't needed to be part of NASA - ever.
Seriously - aerial and satellite photography has been openly available for decades. All you had to have was either a) cash to have them taken, or b) the patience to search the available archives. A model railroad club I was a member of was using 1 meter imagery from the state archives as far back as 1992.
"Unknow
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"Available"!="Accessible"
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aerial imagery (Score:1)
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Nice, but. . . (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Nice, but. . . (Score:5, Funny)
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It's only a matter of time.
It's laugably easy! (Score:5, Funny)
In just five minutes I found this weird ancient obelisk!
Obelisk [google.com]
Wow! A previously unknown sphinx!
Sphinx [google.com]
Some sort of ancient roadway system. It's a bit hard to make out.
Ancient trade routes [google.com]
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Image stitching (Score:2)
Image stitching
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Really? How come I can't see the thread marks? Oh, I bet they're using something like fishing line...
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It's laugably easy! To make mistakes. (Score:3, Informative)
Going to Google Earth, which uses the same imagery... one finds multiple similiar sites in the general area, as well as the remains of roads. One also finds current roads, and recently logged areas, like this one [google.ca] (just a kilome
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weird building angles! (Score:1)
I considered the possibility of two photos but I see no splice and the shadows are the same. I doubt there is anything wrong with the images, there just isn't something clicking on my brain...
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Many people are under the mistaken impression that Google Earth ONLY uses satellite images. That's simply untrue, and anyone who reads the GE FAQ would know this.
Those photos are aerial mapping photos produced by an airplane flying "tracks" across the city. They are then stitched together to form a mosaic, and since this was done with public funds the images are available to google earth for a modest fee. Seattle has si
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http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&t=h&q=United+States&ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=39.044786,-111.192627&spn=7.497841,10.964355&z=7 [google.com]
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One day I was wandering thru some forested area not "far" north of there, and came across images of a forest fire in progress!
Dunno about now (being too lazy to look) but an oddity last year re Devil's Lake, North Dakota: If you were zoomed well out, you got summer images -- green fields and open water. But if you zoomed in, you got winter -- all snow covered, with
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Michael Crichton had the idea in 1980's Congo (Score:5, Interesting)
Find the city? From satellite pictures?
"Yes," she said. "And I found it."
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Michael Crichton ripped this idea off. (Score:5, Informative)
At best, Crichton independently reinvented a technique already well known in professional circles.
That's nothing... (Score:5, Funny)
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date of the satellite images (Score:2, Funny)
The reason why these archaeologists are having so much success is because Google's satellite imagery is ancient!
I mean, rather than seeing some roads near my house all I see is dirt and trees!
Next movie in the series (Score:5, Funny)
What will they think of next? (Score:5, Funny)
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Kansas (Score:1, Funny)
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Wait!
ah, never mind..
Hunt for Osama - OSS/Google mashup (Score:2)
Find Osama!
Taking a page from OSS philosophy, "with many eyeballs, all hiding places become shallow"
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It won't help. The last time this happened we got:
Argument for some time about who would go in, catch him and get the credit.
The CIA winning the argument but not having the resources for a large military option they subcontracted to some locals they had met recently.
The US military forces on the ground shipped away to wait for the attack on Iraq.
The CIA finally going in with a lot of press on standby ready to declare a victory to find that Osama had walked away after the US military forces had
Less glorious than it sounds, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
Archaeological investigations these days tend to be for emergency purposes. Or in layman's terms, someone's building a motorway through an iron age hill (as in Ireland), or someone found a Roman bathhouse while pile driving the foundations for an office block. To be fair the latter shouldn't happy as archaeologists are normally called in to do a preliminary investigation before construction, at least in archaeological sensitive places such as London, Paris etc. It's pretty hard to get money for pure archaeology now. Mostly because governments would rather fund other, more pragmatic research fields and secondly because modern archaeologists are a squeamish bunch - if something's sat in situ for two millennia without any problems it can afford to wait a decade or more until adequate funding and a conservation strategy are in place. Nowadays most of the glory is going to the geophys guys and not Indiana Jones.
For this reason any methods which can provide any insight, no matter how small, are gaining ground. Really, despite what most people think of archaeologists we're not treasure hunters. We're trying to piece together the past piece by piece. What we're looking for is not lost cities, but rather more mundane artefacts like field boundaries, foundations, lost turnpike roads between settlements etc. Google Earth maybe good at this sort of thing, maybe even for smaller structures too and maybe very handy when trying to piece together larger landscapes. You're probably not going to find Eldorado though.
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You've got to be kidding me. (Score:1)
When I try to view my house in Google Earth I can't even see the village that the house is in.
The only recognizable features are large blurry blobs and some of the small blobs.
If ancient people lived in blurry blobs, then Google Earth may be of some help.
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There's no way Google Earth can be used to see ancient footpaths, cemteries, buildings and cities. When I try to view my house in Google Earth I can't even see the village that the house is in. The only recognizable features are large blurry blobs and some of the small blobs. If ancient people lived in blurry blobs, then Google Earth may be of some help.
Have you bothered to look elsewhere? The world is bigger than your village.
There are many areas that have really great resolution. Other areas, not so much. It's a large planet and previous surveys have prioritized their images.
I live in a blurry blob... (Score:2)
Looking for the Great Race (Score:1)
Funny that this should come up now. I was just last night reading H.P. Lovecraft's "Shadow Out of Time", in which an expedition uncovers evidence of an ancient city in remote Western Australia. It gives the coordinates as 22 3' 14" South and 125 0' 39" East.
I dismissed the idea of checking the area out in Google Earth as being silly - but now I am strangely compelled.
I can't use Google Earth at work, so could someone satisfy my curiousity and tell me what they see there?
Much appreciated.
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At least he got Australia right.
New movie coming out soon ... (Score:2)
Re:WMD Found (Score:5, Funny)
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or has Bush once referred to it,
"..amongst the Haves (tentacles) and the Have More (more tentacles), My Base! [chuckles]
He's in the house owned by Charles Dexter Ward
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Well, that's just for now. His Summer residence is a mountain cabin in the Antartic.
Pure self interest, he wants it warm there.
Google Earth (Score:1)
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I was actually expecting something like that except it's more like: In Google Earth, Soviet Russia finds you!