Dinosaur Fossil Found With Preserved Soft Tissue 248
damn_registrars writes "A fossilized hadrosaur has been uncovered in South Dakota that has preserved soft tissue. This is described as a "mummified" dinosaur, and allows for a look at the skin and musculature of some parts of this animal. The find was reported by a 24 year old Yale graduate student of paleontology."
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Oh, wait, wrong analogy. Seriously though, the phrase that is most relevant to answering your question is in the article: "10-ton block", plus another 4 tons, which they whittled down to "only" 5 tons in total. This is not your usual fossil extraction task. It can take significant money and time to set up what is needed to excavate a find that big, you have to transport it, and you have to find a spot for it back in the lab after you do extract it. This is back-breaking, painstaking work, and getting together a big enough chain gang^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H I mean group of volunteers to do the job isn't always easy, especially when there may be a dozen other sites in the region where excavations are already under way, and to which the resources you have are already allocated. So, sometimes a site gets marked with its GPS coordinates and hidden until the resources are available. Also, sometimes you have to start the excavation before you really realize the importance of what you have found. That seems to be the case for this specimen, based on the comments in the article. They didn't originally realize how special it was.
So, yeah, what you describe is common, especially in areas that are both remote and prolific, and especially for large dinosaur specimens. It can take years.
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the Fucking Terranosaur Article?
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The Frozen | Fluffy | Fossilized Terranosaur Article, please.
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Question does this mean.... (Score:2, Funny)
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I don't think it's a matter of being "passed by" as much as this is how long it takes with all available resources being devoted to it. This is the United States we're talking about -- basic science doesn't get funded unless t
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You find a site, then you apply for funding. When you get your funding, you start the dig. Generally you only get the summer as rain, snow or ice can damage artifact and generally make digging harder. At the end of the digging season, you place some sort of modern marker at the edges and bottom of the trench (my professor used soda cans) and fill them in until the next time you can come back.
If your site proves to be interesting, you can get the funding renewed for another summer, and as a rule of thumb they give you funding every 2 years. This allows the funding to be spread out over a wider range of projects, and ensures the scientists have the time to publish what they found during the excavation.
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North Dakota, Not South Dakota (Score:5, Funny)
Also, since I just watched Bender's Big Score repeatedly, "It's DOLOMITE, baby!"
You see, beneath the fossil's crunchy, mineral shell, there's still a creamy core of hadrosaur nougat!
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The real truth is that the formula for "Classic Mexico" was stolen after the 1988 infiltration by the Semi-Conscious Liberation Army, leading to the mad scramble to come up with "New Mexico".
Puh-leez.
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Shameless Futurama reference (Score:3, Informative)
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Yeah, but its hard to tell when its covered in snow, it all looks the same.
(I jest, my family lives in SD, my brother goes to school in ND
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For what it's worth, North Dakotans are as unaware t
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I'm afraid it was already done on a T. Rex a few years ago...
The Wellcome Trust at the Sanger Institute Present the T. Rex International Paleontonomics Experiment [ncifcrf.gov]
No clone wars (Score:5, Informative)
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It is a very useful find however. Since it enables techniques such as working out muscles from their attachment points to the bones to be refined. As well as examination of such tissues can show how these extinct animals are related to ones which exist now.
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So is science so jacked up that they have THAT much of a difference?
Yet noone can believe this book we have that lays it all out for us.
"Scientists that go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con men, and the
story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever. In explaining evolution, we do not
have one iota of fact."
Dr. Newton Tomasian, scientist fo
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Anyway, why would a "scientist for the Atomic Energy Commission" know anything about biological evolution, or biological processes in general? Your whole post is idiotic.
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Yes, but all you have to do is cast Stone to Flesh on the fossil to bring it back to life. Quickly, before they release the Fourth Edition of D&D, for you never know if this particular spell will be removed !
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Not real soft tissue (Score:4, Informative)
Another great moment in science: (Score:3, Funny)
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"You get sprung", added Mixalot.
However, not all scientists applaud the finding, with polymath and host of the popular science show Infinite Solutions Mark Erickson criticizing that this finding will further reduce the scientific community's interest in tiny dinosaurs, which he describes as sadly overlooked.
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Archaeologists do not excavate dinosaur remains, paleontologists do. Archaeologists only deal with ancient human remains.
It's not 25% larger (Score:2)
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Dino DNA (Score:4, Interesting)
Also: Mammoth DNA (Score:5, Interesting)
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1. Clone Mammoth
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3. Profit
Unfortunately step 2 might be jail.
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It's been several years since I've looked at any of the literature on the topic of ancient DNA, and my particular area of interest was the sequencing of human and Neandertal DNA in the arena of phylogenetics, but as I remember, the general consensus was that it would be extremely unlikely to be able to extract, amplify, and sequence enough DNA from specimens beyond, say, about 100,000 years old. The difficulties posed in specimens of geologic age would be even greater.
Apart from deterioration, contaminatio
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Apologies for replying to my own post, but I managed to find the article I mentioned. There were two, actually: "Golenberg EM. 1991. Amplification and analysis of Miocene plant fossil DNA. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London, Series B 333:419-427." and "Golenberg EM, Giannasi E, Clegg M, Smiley CJ, Durban M, Henderson D and Zurawski G. 1990. Chloroplast sequence from a Miocene magnolia species. Nature 344:656-658." Golenberg believed he had sequenced a 770 base pair nucleotide chain fr
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My reading in the area is from 2004. I could cite more recent references, but they're not relevant to my point, which is that you can't sequence what's not there.
The field of sequencing ancient DNA was in its infancy in the late 80s and early 90s, and has matured since then. One of the results of that maturity is the realization that DNA is highly unlikely to survive in fossils for millions of years, and that when someone claims to have sequenced DNA from a fossil of that age, contamination is highly susp
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Even if we
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> the chicken and egg problem on a microscopic scale.
Birds.
> The hard-line Christians question the ethics of cloning and the existence of dinosaurs,
> so how well would dinosaur cloning research go down?
They object to the cloning of humans (they are far from alone in that).
> Not letting them escape. Here in Australia we're having enough problems dealing with
> cane toads, can you imagine having to deal
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If velociraptor makes for a good stake they'll be extinct before they ever get started.
Tastes like Chicken (Score:2)
Also In news: Dinosaur Saddle (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.avantnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=126 [avantnews.com]
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RTFL (Score:3, Informative)
Let me guess, that link mentions "the Discovery Institute, a conservative think-tank based in Seattle with affiliates operating at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, D.C." and "we know Velociraptor was a vegetarian, as can be clearly deduced from its long rows of razor-sharp teeth, perfectly designed for tearing leaves from trees or rooting for truffles and other buried
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It is indeed quite real. I fondly remember Dr. Booble's lectures, and I would like to take this opportunity to wish him, his 3 wives and 27 children all the best. I hope you guys continue to dominate Claptrappe's basket, soccer and football teams!
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Well, what do you think this part suggests?
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Well, what do you think this part suggests?
He was born for this type of work? Clearly intelligent design at work.
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This has happened before (Score:4, Informative)
Watch Online:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3411/01.html [pbs.org]
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Was the dinosaur (Score:5, Funny)
Dinosaur = Balmer? (Score:2)
Maybe he was throwing chairs?
A quote from Dr. Malcom (Score:5, Funny)
2. God destroys dinosaurs
3. God creates man
4. Man destroys God
5. Man creates dinosaurs
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6. Dinosaurs eat man... women inherit the Earth.
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6. Man destroys dinosaurs
7. Man creates God
8. God destroys Man
I guess Judgment Day is imminent after all..
Jurassic Park? (Score:2)
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1.) When cloning a sheep to give birth to itself, by putting a complete strand of its own DNA in its own egg cells in its own womb, we would have a one in several hundred chance of success. We don't know why, but the rest would be miscarriages, still births, or otherwise non-viable. The cloned animal would die early of old age, nobody knows why.
2.) The Human Genome Project to sequence *ONE* complete set of DNA for a single human took us 13 years and 3 billion dollars. That's comparable to the Apollo project, to sequence *ONE* example of a complex being's DNA.
3.) DNA is relatively unstable. I doesn't survive completely intact for 65 million years no matter how you preserve it.
Mosquitoes trapped in amber wouldn't be great sources of DNA - it would have still decomposed over time. Not in the "something ate it" sense of the word, but in the "radioactive particles" sense of the word. So the DNA would be there, but fragmented. Analyzing one strand of complete, non-fragmented strand of DNA was an Epic undertaking. Doing it with hundreds of strands that were chopped into pieces is probably beyond our capabilities. We could also get this DNA from red blood cells found in a T-rex fossil recently, or just from grinding up the core of bones for *really* tiny bits.
Next, you can't just patch DNA in a dinosaur with DNA from a reptile. It just doesn't work that way, and birds are closer relatives anyway if it *did* work that way.
And then you'd have to somehow put together a DNA molecule. We can't do that yet. I'm totally serious, we can't. We can manipulate pieces maybe 10 or so genes long in existing DNA, but I don't think we could piece billions of genes long strands together from a blueprint even given all the time in the world.
Finally, you'd need a viable dinosaur egg. You can't just pick someone else's egg and stick dino DNA in it, eggs are highly specialized. You might get away with something as similar as elephant-mammoth but there just isn't anything *like* a dinosaur, nothing *near* close enough for a viable egg.
If by some miracle you managed to find full dino DNA, sequence the DNA, assemble the DNA, and put them in an artificial egg that worked... you'd have to do a thousand trials before you could say with any certainty you'd messed something up to make it fail instead of just having bad luck. So don't worry about Jurassic Park happening anytime soon.
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You gave me images of a mammoth hatching out of a very large elephant egg, followed by an elephant birthing a velociraptor. I'll grant you that eggs are specialized, but I think you should be more careful with your
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Another nostalgic part of childhood goes phtbbbbth!
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Mosquitoes trapped in amber wouldn't be great sources of DNA - it would have still decomposed over time. Not in the "something ate it" sense of the word, but in the "radioactive particles" sense of the word.
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That was the publicly funded project. And they would've taken even longer if the privately funded Celera hadn't gotten involved by threatening to finish a lot faster and less expensively.
I imagine that if it were possible, the reintroduction effort wouldn't be a one-shot all-or-nothing thing
Damage in sequence... (Score:3, Interesting)
With the mosquitoes technique you'll find in the end several fragment of DNA per mosquitoe, with no way to know if they come from the same dino or if its contaminent from the mosquitoe.
In the end you may have a very large library containing lots of sequence fragment. The building of this library would require a lot of money and time and won't have any direct benefit (= few would like to fund it).
Then you would unleash bio informaticians to start mining the database, trying t
Done before (Score:3, Funny)
Another example of my childhood being recycled. Maybe them can get Michael Bay to crap all over the live-action version.
Fossilized what? (Score:2)
Welcome to Surreal Monday.
The title is incomprehensable (Score:2)
Large Backside ... (Score:5, Funny)
So, its a J-Lo-asaur ?
Or perhaps a Bodonkadonkasaur?
Mildly offtopic.. (Score:2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bambiraptor [wikipedia.org]
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So how soon ... ? (Score:2)
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It's just a salamander from the garden of eden. Back then everything lived a lot longer and grew a lot bigger, man was over 20 feet tall. I demand they put my theory in their scientific papers!
</sarcasm>
MMMmmm! (Score:3, Funny)
New funding! (Score:2, Funny)
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