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Launch Date Announced for Shuttle Mission STS-117 79

chuckpeters writes "After a two day Flight Readiness Review in Florida, space shuttle managers have announced an official launch date for STS-117 to be June 8, 7:38 PM. The launch window will run in two parts — from June 8th to the evening of June 12th when the shuttle must stand down for a June 14th Atlas launch. After that the windows opens again on the 17th. This first opening gives the standard four attempts in five days. If they have not launched by the 12th, they will replenish things such as liquid oxygen and hydrogen for the fuel cells to prepare for the 17th attempt."
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Launch Date Announced for Shuttle Mission STS-117

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  • by bartyboy ( 99076 ) on Thursday May 31, 2007 @09:56PM (#19346721)
    Imagine you are taking your Civic from Maine to Califorina and it's winter. You have 18" dubs and semi-slick tires, so you are looking for a day with no precipitation. Good luck. Maine has bad roads and permanent black ice, so you are stuck in your mom's basement until June 8th. But you have to start driving before June 14th, when all the cops are on the roads, giving out tickets to any driver not wearing a beret to celebrate Bastille Day.

    During the Bastille Bash, you did burnouts in front of your house so you need to refuel your car and put in some sweet NOS before leaving on the 17th.
  • by Tibor the Hun ( 143056 ) on Thursday May 31, 2007 @09:57PM (#19346725)
    I think I speak for everyone when I ask WTF is so special about the STS-117 mission?

    I even skimmed TFA and found this:

    The STS-117's eleven day mission will install the second starboard truss segment, S3/S4, to the International Space Station (ISS). The truss will be attached to the first starboard truss segment, S1. This will be ISS assembly mission 13A.


    I mean seriously?
    • by Ice Wewe ( 936718 ) on Thursday May 31, 2007 @10:02PM (#19346775)
      NASA has to at least pretend like they're doing something to continue receiving funding.

      Mars by 2020? Forget it, we can't even launch a freakin' shuttle in a descent amount of time!

      • My mistake... Moon by 2020, Mars by 2050? Forget it, even if NASA can get their act together by then, they'll be so much space debris floating around from discarded Chinese satellites, and whatnot, we won't even be able to give low orbit space flights!
    • by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Thursday May 31, 2007 @11:38PM (#19347465) Journal
      She was to launch back in Feb./March. time frame. But was hit by a freak hail storm. Rather than use a new fuel tank, they "repaired" this one. It is possible that this may end up being a spectacular launch. Hopefully not.

      This particular mission is not that big of a deal, other than others are lined up and waiting on this. In particular, the ISS needs POWER. This will increase it a bit, but current net is actually down. The reason is that P6 was rolled up to allow for this transfer. It is only after the NEXT shuttle that we will see major increased power. In addition, EU's ATV is waiting for this to be launch, but they will launch before the columbus goes up. Apparently, they have no desire to pay for the whole thing if they have a mistake. Almost too bad that we do not have a single unit up there for them to try against and vet everything. Oh well.

      All in all, by the end of this year, we will see major expansions to the ISS.

      Now, if there is a way to get CAM restored to there, which is one of the few really good uses for the ISS.
      • by oni ( 41625 )
        It is possible that this may end up being a spectacular launch.

        aw, don't say that! Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but foam comming off isn't so bad in and of itself, right? What happened with Columbia is that you had foam soaked in water (and frozen) so it was substantially more mass and therefore did more damage.
        • I am not a mechanical engineer, but ... I was more concerned about the pounding that the metal took. From what I read, it sounds like that is where they spent all their time. The foam was probably pretty easy to deal with. In fact, I would not be surprised if it does not have a whole new coat on it. But outer skin of the fueltank is thin (every ounce costs), therefore it is possible to do damage to it.

          As I said, I do not want to see this fail, though I suspect that there are quite a few here who would.
          • by oni ( 41625 )
            I have heard before that the outer skin is so thin that it actually wouldn't be strong enough to survive launch. But when they fill it with fuel, it gets colder and more britle and that makes it just strong enough.

            So there is some truth to what you're saying. Well, I'll just keep my fingers crossed and hope the launch goes off ok.
    • nothing special at all really. they're just putting another piece on the ISS.

      how else are they gonna get the parts up there and attached?
    • I'm excited because it's so mundane, and actually disappointed because they are making a big deal out of it ... I think we're making progress in spaceflight when it *isn't* a big deal to be launching spacecraft, and when the mission is just a construction job. Guys going up there not to undertake groundbreaking science but to bolt on some bits of steel. That's when I believe we're making progress and it might just succeed.

      That's why I've always loved the Russian/ Soviet space programmes. In the USA, everyth
    • I mean seriously?

      Yeah, really, I mean, all they're doing is building a frikkin' permanent space station in orbit around our planet. What the hell? We've got dozens of them already.

      Oh, wait, no - this is a first-of-its-kind monumental achievement for Man, and perhaps a real stepping stone to the human colonization of the galaxy.

      Seriously though, just ignore the space stories if you don't care about space exploration. Some of us think it's really cool - 'stuff that matters', even. I realize some people th
  • 17th time? Thats an awful lot of attempts; what were the causes for delays? I heard on the radio today (probably NPR) that there was concern for bolts to some sort of fuel pump that were showing signs of corrosion, but these concerns were dismissed. I sacrificed the ability to get a first post trying to find a link but was unsuccessful. Anyone else hear about this corrosion issue?
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by ookabooka ( 731013 )
      17th time? Thats an awful lot of attempts; what were the causes for delays?

      After re-reading it, I think by "17th attempt" the submitter meant "attempt on the 17th". . .lol
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      what were the causes for delays?

      I think it had something to do with some mild corrosion on the fuel system and something being amiss with the heat shielding. Earlier this year it was hail damage.

      The radio people this morning were saying that it could lead to catastrophic failures. That is something that has happened before and I'm sure they would like to prevent it from happening again.

      Then again, the Atlantis Shuttle is the 1985 model. I think it's time for NASA to get some new "wheels".

    • ookabooka wrote:
      Anyone else hear about this corrosion issue?

      Kathy posted something about it at "NASA managers mull shuttle engine issue [starryskies.net] and that links to a Florida Today article [floridatoday.com].

      Kathy usually includes this sort of news and more in our newsletter the Starry Messenger. Here is a mailto link to subscribe to the Starry Messenger [mailto].

  • The shuttle runs on hydrogen and oxygen fuel cells, eh? I hope we're not talking about the boosters here...
    • No, it provides electricty (and water) for them. In fact, one of the cool things about putting up this array is that it will allow the ISS to provide power back to the shuttles (and other ships such as the dragon), so it will allow them to stay much longer (not quite double IIRC). BTW, the H2 and O2 fuel tanks line the storage area of the shuttle.
    • by LordHatrus ( 763508 ) <slashdot@clockf[ ].com ['ort' in gap]> on Thursday May 31, 2007 @11:38PM (#19347469) Homepage
      Technically speaking, the boosters are solid fuel, you insensitive clod. That large orange external tank on the other hand stores the Liquid Oxygen/Hydrogen. And, the poster really appears to be talking about the internal fuel cell ones for electricity in the shuttle.
  • this is why (Score:4, Interesting)

    by wizardforce ( 1005805 ) on Thursday May 31, 2007 @10:20PM (#19346913) Journal

    17th time? Thats an awful lot of attempts; what were the causes for delays?

    because the last time(s) we launched when we really shouldnt, people died. Challenger because they didnt want to delay the launch because of some faulty O-rings and the last disaster because of the fuel tank having a nasty tendency to shed foam. I would much rather them delay the flight then die- it is a terrible shame to lose human life and very bad for the space program in general if you rush things. what we wish could be done is be able to remotely install parts like this without risking human life but we haven't quite got that down yet- until then we have to be cautious with the lives we send up there.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Hugopig ( 1109975 )
      There's a sort of recursiveness to the shuttle program; the ISS exists to give the shuttle a reason to exist, which in turn gives the ISS a reason to exist. The shuttle fleet needs to be retired. Not after this mission, not after the ISS is completed. NOW. To continue to send up these fragile, aging birds is asking for another accident. And someone needs to ask, seriously and without fear of being attacked as cowardly, what the point actually is to sending human beings into space. We went to the moon, and
      • ISS conducts experiments that cannot be conducted on earth due to gravity - some of which includes (and has included in the past) pharmaceuticals which save lives. Also space shuttles are not like your Ute - they are continuously reworked and have had numerous changes made to them over time, although I would still like to see something new developed. There is nothing cowardly about asking why humans should be in space - only short-sighted. Why did explorers explore the earth? Did they know the benefits of
        • by zcat_NZ ( 267672 )
          But most of those experiments could be performed by a robot. Humans are bulky and fragile, can't work 23/7, and have very difficult requirements for fueling and waste removal.

        • by 0123456 ( 636235 )
          "ISS conducts experiments that cannot be conducted on earth due to gravity - some of which includes (and has included in the past) pharmaceuticals which save lives."

          Name some. Then explain why that's worth $100,000,000,000.

          "Why did explorers explore the earth?"

          Money, in most cases. Columbus, for example, was looking for a new trade route to India.

          I hate to tell you, but there's no-one to trade with in this solar system.
          • by imroy ( 755 )

            I hate to tell you, but there's no-one to trade with in this solar system.

            No, but there's gotta be all sorts of metals and minerals in the asteroid belt. That might be worth something.

      • Re:this is why (Score:5, Insightful)

        by wizardforce ( 1005805 ) on Thursday May 31, 2007 @10:55PM (#19347171) Journal

        The shuttle fleet needs to be retired.

        Can't agree more- they're far too bulky and inefficient to be doing the work we ask of them- we wont become a cosmicly interesting species until we develop better spacecraft.

        someone needs to ask, seriously and without fear of being attacked as cowardly, what the point actually is to sending human beings into space. We went to the moon, and found nothing particularly interesting there (certainly nothing compelling enough to make us want to go back). Technological society on earth itself is in a fragile state; perhaps now is not the time for human beings to be going out into space. Perhaps the time will never really come outside of fantasy novels.

        because sitting here on this little speck of dust we call Earth is not an evolutionarily wise choice. there is only so much you can do as a species by sitting on your home planet. we can send probes places, gather dirt/gases what have you and send it back but that doesnt really tell us much about the places the probes went to. even after several probes sent to mars we still dont know much about its geology, the possibility of underground life or if it is even feasible to expand onto the planet. by sending people there we can get a literally hands on experience of what we're dealing with. the technology we devolop to get there along with the in flight experience of long term space travel will prve very useful if we intend to expand outward through space. for that matter, we need a backup home- Earth is just too much of a gamble. there are asteroids, overpopulation, wars and a number of other things we should keep an eye on along with having a way to survive far away from such things if we intend to survive as a species. even if that isnt enough of a reason, just think of all the other times we had a chance to explore- what would have happened if we had not gone- unthinkable. humans are curious-especially now and with good reason- instead of being relatively technologically backward on our planet from a lack of drive, we should push forward, outward and beyond into space and everythign we learn from going where no one has gone before.
        • Re:this is why (Score:4, Insightful)

          by flyingsquid ( 813711 ) on Friday June 01, 2007 @01:31AM (#19348125)
          here are asteroids, overpopulation, wars and a number of other things we should keep an eye on along with having a way to survive far away from such things if we intend to survive as a species.

          Mars isn't exactly much of a back-up plan. I mean, if we can't hack it on Earth, what are the odds we can survive in a hostile environment like Mars? That's like saying, "oh well, if I can't handle the challenges of community college, I'll go to MIT instead". Even on its worst imaginable day, the Earth is vastly more habitable than Mars or any other place in the solar system. If the Earth got hit by massive overpopulation, global warming, an all-out nuclear exchange, and then a giant asteroid, our species would still have a much better chance surviving here than on Mars, where the temperature, pressure, and gravity are all wrong, and where liquid water is in short supply. If disaster survival is the goal, then Dr. Strangelove's underground bunkers are the answer, not spaceships.

          As for overpopulation and war, those problems don't have anything to do with Earth, those have to do with humanity itself. So if humans on Earth can't live sustainably or keep from killing each other off, why is there any reason to think that humans put on Mars would suddenly figure out how to do so?

          • mars is a backup plan simply because it increases the number of planets we inhabit from 1 to 2- it doesnt have to be nice right now, we have the option of terraforming it in the long run and as for bunkers on earth- also an option but there are scenarios that can still really screw us over as a species- we may survive certain things by the skin of our teeth or not at all even with that kind of technology.
            • by ypps ( 1106881 )
              It is impossible to create an independent colony on Mars without some fundamental technologies. From the top of my mind: *Nuclear propulsion (to be able to send a meaningful amount of advanced technology to Mars). *An extremely slim, clever "leapfrog" production system. Mars is not independent until they can build everything that we have here on Earth. Everything from paper and pencils (or e-paper) to things like solar cells, integrated circuits, heavy machinery and whole spaceships. With today's technolog
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by phulegart ( 997083 )
        What is the actual point to sending human beings into space?

        Think about that question you asked for a moment or two (more than you already have)...

        What have human beings always done, from... I dunno... before we were considered "human" and lived in trees? Multiplied and expanded. We've got the multiplication thing (and division thing, but that's something else) pretty well covered. Two people become a family, which in turn begins a community, which becomes a settlement, which becomes a city, which become
        • I believe settling on Mars would actually be easier than settling underneath the ocean....the reason I say so is that the further down you go in the ocean, you have increasing amounts of pressure on everything due to the amount of water above you. This is a HUGE challenge to overcome.

          Whereas if we went to Mars, ok, theres a few things to work out, like; how do we get there fast enough; what kind of building materials to use when there; how to deal with the radiation; how to produce water. These are probab

          • Don't forget, that the idea of traveling to space was only so much Science Fiction and considered impossible... until it was done.

            There are people who still say that some of our historic space missions were hoaxes, due to disbelief that we can actually get out there.

            I agree that heading out into space might be easier than to the depths of the ocean. And getting killed in either environment, is still getting killed in either environment. However, dealing with the ocean first and overcoming the obstacles th
      • There's a sort of recursiveness to the shuttle program; the ISS exists to give the shuttle a reason to exist, which in turn gives the ISS a reason to exist. The shuttle fleet needs to be retired. Not after this mission, not after the ISS is completed. NOW.

        Couldn't agree more, but ...

        And someone needs to ask, seriously and without fear of being attacked as cowardly, what the point actually is to sending human beings into space. We went to the moon, and found nothing particularly interesting there (ce

      • OK, you say that we do not belong there. You want to be taken seriously without being attacked as cowardly. Cool. So why should we not expand? You do not give any real reason as to why you believe this. "Technological society on earth itself is in a fragile state;" is not a reason. Nor is saying that we "found nothing particularly interesting there". The truth is that we launched to the moon to show that we could, not to find anything. The voyage itself shows that we could do it. Heck, we have found a lot
    • because the last time(s) we launched when we really shouldnt, people died. Challenger because they didnt want to delay the launch because of some faulty O-rings and the last disaster because of the fuel tank having a nasty tendency to shed foam. I would much rather them delay the flight then die- it is a terrible shame to lose human life and very bad for the space program in general if you rush things. what we wish could be done is be able to remotely install parts like this without risking human life but w

    • Re:this is why (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 01, 2007 @12:06AM (#19347691)
      The last time NASA really rushed things, they killed three astronauts and landed twelve people on the Moon.

      Challenger and Columbia weren't so much due to rushing things, but to rushing things for no reason and doing everything really half-assed.

      If Challenger had happened back in the old days, those engineers would have stood up and said, "Hell no! I won't sign off on this, if we launch then that thing will explode!" If Columbia had happened back in the old days then as soon as the shed foam was discovered, NASA would have asked for and received pictures of the damage taken from spy satellites, then when the full extent of the damage was discovered they would have put Columbia into ultra-conservation mode, started a mad rush to prep Atlantis for a rescue mission, and started seeing if they could steal payload space on unmanned rockets to launch supplies.

      Instead, the Challenger engineers shut up and sat down when told to do so, and the Columbia management refused to even ask for spy sat photos to evaluate the problem. Result: 14 dead people for no good reason.

      I say, go off, rush things, take calculated risks, and kill some more astronauts! But do it because space travel is inherently dangerous, do it because they're accomplishing amazing things, don't do it because you're too dysfunctional to admit when you have a problem and you're flying a crippled, dangerously flawed design and going in circles in low-Earth orbit.
      • Challenger certainly was the fault of "rushing things". This was back when NASA was still thinking they could launch as many as 12 flights a year, and there was a lot of pressure schedule to fill commercial launch contracts as well as space science. The desire to launch on time was certainly a major factor in the decision to launch Challenger when they did. While a Challenger-style loss would probably have happened eventually, chances are it would not have happened on that particular flight.

        As far as Col
      • There's a lot more to it than that. If you're one of the people who followed the Columbia accident investigation, than you heard the term normalization of deviancy: things not going according to plan must be ok because it was ok last time. Foam loss had happened frequently before, and even a couple impacts, with the worst consequence being some dings in the tiles.

        If the engineers who raised the concerns had been truly been convinced this was a problem they would have stuck to their guns (or they were fat
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by glitch23 ( 557124 )

      17th time? Thats an awful lot of attempts; what were the causes for delays?

      I'd wager that "17th attempt" means the attempt on the 17th [of June] and not the 17th attempt (or "17th time" in your wording) because a couple sentences earlier in the summary it specifies the 2nd part to the shuttle window begins on June 17th. The cause for the delay (if it's even needed)? The summary says an Atlas rocket needs some launch pad time beginning on June 12th.

    • by ildon ( 413912 ) on Friday June 01, 2007 @04:20AM (#19348895)

      I would much rather them delay the flight then die

      This is an example of why it's important to know how to distinguish homonyms.
    • I don't want to come off as insensitive here, but that is what is going to happen anyway... in this particular case, the big loss isn't the human cost, it is the orbiter itself. It's somewhere around $2 Billion to replace, and essentially no possiblity that we'd build another replacement, so any orbiter loss at this point likely shuts the program down. Shuttle shutdown likely shuts down ISS construction. The ripple effects are such that a loss at this point is catastrophic... As such, while it will alwa
    • the fuel tank having a nasty tendency to shed foam

      The reason for this is the redesign of the fuel tank's foam. Initially, it was designed with chlorofluorocarbons in it; nasty thing if you're a fan of the ozone layer; the old foam had no issues falling off. In my opinion, this tank should have been grandfathered in past the treaty banning the use of CFCs, because it's not like there's either a lot of shuttle launches or is there a lot of CFC in it compared to the bazzillions of air conditioners in use i

  • another one? (Score:1, Redundant)

    by DeadDarwin ( 1050498 )
    NASA == Need Another Seven Astronauts
  • Isn't that what they're expecting us to do?
  • by je ne sais quoi ( 987177 ) on Thursday May 31, 2007 @11:56PM (#19347601)
    What I am interested in is this [washingtonpost.com]. According to this [wikipedia.org]:

    In an interview with NPR's Steve Inskeep airing May 31, 2007 on NPR News' Morning Edition, Griffin said the following: "I have no doubt that global -- that a trend of global warming exists. I am not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with. To assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of earth's climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had and that we need to take steps to make sure that it doesn't change.

    "First of all, I don't think it's within the power of human beings to assure that the climate does not change, as millions of years of history have shown, and second of all, I guess I would ask which human beings - where and when - are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we have right here today, right now is the best climate for all other human beings. I think that's a rather arrogant position for people to take." [17]

    James Hansen, a NASA climate scientist, stated that Griffin's comments showed "arrogance and ignorance", as millions will likely be harmed by global warming.[18] Jerry Mahlman, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, said that Griffin was either "totally clueless" or "a deep antiglobal warming ideologue."
    This James Hansen fellow is the same one who had his work censored by the 24 year old Bush appointee with no college degree [nytimes.com]. Sorry but I can't trust a god-damn thing any Bush appointee says any more, and that includes Griffin. Earth's climate may not be optimal but trying to keep the one we got sure is cheaper than going out to look for the "optimal" one. What a loony! Shuttle missions? That's just fiddling while Rome burns. Space Research at NASA has been cut 25% under this guy.
    • by Usquebaugh ( 230216 ) on Friday June 01, 2007 @02:08AM (#19348271)
      25% is a start NASA needs its budget cut 100%, it's all pork and no benefit.

      The shuttle is a disgrace, by now NASA should have a daily scheduled launch system, capable of hauling 40 tonnes to LEO. No fuss, drama or excitement just like a bus service. I think old fashioned non-reusable rockets were the answer.

      Commercial services should have begun in the early 80s. But guess who tied up all the suppliers with one way contracts.

      Instead the US displays it's crumbling empire every time they wheel out the shuttle, rather like Ford and the Edsel. China, India & Pakistan are going be getting the job done while the US decides who to invade next.

      The only good thing in the last 20 years was the X-Prize, pitiful.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        There will never be any real commercial space service other than data bouncing off satellites so long as we are bounded by the pitifully small energy output of chemical fuels, which impose a cost of (at the very least) hundreds of dollars to put one Kg in low orbit. We have alternatives, but they are all impractical for various reasons at the moment:
        1. Space elevator. First nation to build one owns space, but we need to be able to spin a flawless molecule 40000Km long first.
        2. Nuclear engines. We had the techn
      • by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Friday June 01, 2007 @06:19AM (#19349469) Journal
        First, NASA's mission is NOT to make space access cheap. Their mission is to go where others can not. Though, they have tried to make space access cheap to be able to do more with less. In the 70's, they designed the Apollo replacement. It was to be a plane launcher carrying a rocket up to about 100K at multiple mach, and then launch the top half (where do you think scaled composites got their work from). Nixon killed it. He pushed for lower costs on the development. The shuttle is Nixon's legacy.

        Gov. hind sight is like so many 20/20. They will continue to make mistakes. In addition, so will other gov. China has blown a few rockets. In addition, they have developed very little (though I love their concrete tower; great idea). They have bought or stolen almost all of their program. Brazil had a MASSIVE failure. Pakistan has not launched anything (yet). At this time, they have missiles. India is moving ahead slowly. So that leaves EU, Russia, and America as the big space launchers. EU has the ariane V, which is actually a decent rocket. But it has fairly high launch costs on a /lb basis. Russia has smaller launchers (which is why ISS was compromised) and they are old. Even now, they want to design new ones, but their gov. does not wish to spend the money. That leaves America. Right now, we have the shuttle, saturn, deltas, and pegasus. We are about to have falcons and SS2/Tier-2's. In addition, we have Ares to be designed and built(though I would rather see the direct launcher due to low development costs and time).

        While the X-Prize helped get citizen focus, the reality is that bigelow and spacex would have happened regardless of the x-prize. NASA made this possible. How? By doing the bulk of the research that BOTH companies currently use. They are simply applying a low cost approach to this. But the heavy lifting was done by Germany, USSR/Russia, and American Research dollars. If they had to pay for even a fraction of it, they would not be looking at doing these.

        Finally, you speak of non-reuseable rockets. Yet, the lowest costs space access appears to be the falcons (which is on track to have lower launch costs than Russia OR china). How are they doing it? Be re-using just about everything. On the falconI, the cheap 2'nd stage and payload will not return. On the falcon 9, but stages will return AND be re-used. Most of the dragon will be re-used. Musk has made a HUGE point of showing that it is re-usablilty of nearly everything that is half of lowering his costs. The other half of lowering his costs is the russian way; Develop minimal amount of hardware and re-use it over and over. He has developed 2 engines. And one design is used up to 27 engines for the falcon 9 heavy. Smart on his part (assuming that it works).
        • by jafac ( 1449 )
          Still - there were a lot of politics involved in the cancellation of X-33. It's been 10 years. I think this approach merits another try. The Shuttle has some advantages in certain mission profiles, and the X-33 approach could yield a launch vehicle, or family of launch vehicles that has a potential to realize some of the benefits that the Shuttle was intended to deliver, but never did.

          There are some pretty serious technical challenges to conquer to make the X-33 approach work. I would rather have seen t
          • Oh, I was a major backer of X-33. What burned my hide is that the X-33 would have replaced the shuttle already. From there, we could have started creating another true heavy lift vehicle, along the lines of ares V or bigger. At the least, L-Mart tried to continue with the tech, but Air force would not allow it (it was not NASA that said no, but the air force). But that was another bad decision by W. in a long string of bad ones. The funny thing is that he made it sound like it was goldin's choice, but it ne
            • by jafac ( 1449 )
              I'm not so sure about the BFR taking over.

              Going back to Nixon's bad call, and now the Ares fiasco - this technology delivers a critical jobs-preservation effort to the industry that grew around first, Apollo, then the Shuttle (which very much contributes to the high cost of Shuttle missions). At least in part - it's about retooling our nation's Launch Vehicle Manufacturing Infrastructure. Neither Lockheed, nor Boeing, can sustain EELV (Atlas and Delta) manufacturing at a rate that could fill in for the de
    • by khallow ( 566160 )

      I don't see why this works you up so. If global warming is a genuine threat, then we will acquire evidence of this. Sure, there will be political forces that attempt to stifle the research, but note that as in the case you mention, they fail. In the meantime, it would be irresponsible to exaggerate the threat of global warming and warn vaguely of "tipping points" that may or may not be there. But there is a good reason to think that a higher CO2 concentration is more optimal since one will have to trade off

    • Holy climatologist knee-jerk, Batman! Suddenly it's arrogance to have an opinion? Even if it's in line with most of America?

      Griffin's statement is basically that he doesn't think "battling climate change" (whatever the hell that means...don't even pretend Al Gore has any idea) is a do-or-die committment, the same as the 95% of the rest of America whom continue life more-or-less as normal. Some journalist asked his personal opinion on it and he gave it. It was not a policy statement. In fact, even as an o
  • My family and I will be in Florida and I wanted to take my kids to see the launch. Can anyone recommend a good place to see the launch? Is traffic and crowds a problem around the launch facility? Since its going to be an evening launch I was thinking of getting a hotel room close to the beach, can anyone recommend one ? Thanks!
  • Would it have killed the OP to give a small summary of the planned mission?
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by skynexus ( 778600 )

      A small summary of the planned mission:

      The mission will deliver to the International Space Station (ISS) the second starboard truss segment (the S3/S4 Truss [wikipedia.org]) and its associated energy systems, including a set of solar arrays [wikipedia.org]. During the course of the mission the crew will install the new truss segment, retract one set of solar arrays, and unfold the new set on the starboard side of the station. STS-117 will also bring Expedition 15 crewmember Clayton Anderson to the station, and will return with ISS crewmember Sunita Williams.

      For more information, see also the Wikipedia STS-117 [wikipedia.org] article.

  • The crane operator's union is having a meeting next week, which is likely to delay the mating operation. Expect a possible delay in the launch schedule.

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