A Symmetrical Cosmic Red Square 152
Remember the hexagon surrounding Saturn's north pole? Now for our delectation Ano_Nimass Coward sends us to Space.com for a look at a nebula with near perfect bilateral symmetry surrounding a dying star. The so-called Red Square ranks among the most symmetrical objects ever observed by scientists. "If you fold things across the principle diagonal axis, you get an almost perfect reflection symmetry," said the leader of a study of the object, recently published in Science. A possible explanation for the structure's glow, if not its shape, was advanced in a paper appearing in PNAS, which attributes the glow of a similar object — dubbed, confusingly, the Red Rectangle — to exotic space-hardened organic molecules called Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons. PAHs are normally unstable but may occur in places like the nebula in question, in nanostructured clusters that are extremely stable and radiation hardened.
Geometry (Score:2, Funny)
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The difference between Red Rectangle and Red Square is confusing because, if you read the article, they are different things. From the article:
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Though admittedly, I'd have modded you "funny", cos I think that's what you intended. Insightful, seems like someone didn't get the joke. It was a joke right?
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And I don't see why it is worthless. imho it is completely relevant, on face value. No, I didn't RTFA. I was only saying that calling a square a rectangle isn't confusing if you look at it from a geometric perspective. The other replier cleared up the difference.
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Oh, and in answer to your question, you aren't surprised because you were all too happy to find a coincidental link.
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I, of course, am not a PLLS, as I spell and punctuate correctly and wipe myself properly after every bowel movemnet, because Nanny would beat me severely if I didn't...er.. I digress. Where was I? Oh yes, the 32nd poster previous failed to spell 'incunabula' correctly. Oh, and there are 152 toothpicks on the floor.
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Optical illusion? (Score:4, Insightful)
Ryan Fenton
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Ryan Fenton
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Having said that, there are some faint hexagonal spikes created by the central object, but they are much fainter than the hour glass shape..
I wouldn't use the term "quasar-like" because the word quasar is an acronym for "quasi-stellar radio source" and i don't think this object is the source of many radio waves
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Although it's a pretty long stretch to assume that a distant civilization is responsible somehow for all the pyramids on Earth and in space, it would make sense if you were into creating them to make some kind of statement to have them visible in space to beings on the planets that have them.
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They have imaged the Red Square thousands of times, it being much closer to them.
It's only us here on earth that have not imaged it so many times.
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Civilisation (Score:1, Interesting)
One night, it went nova.
The Egyptian outlanders throughout the galaxy built huge temples to honour the billions dead from their home system. The dead on these worlds would rest in similar surroundings.
Too obvious... (Score:4, Funny)
In Soviet Russia, the Red Square ejects stars.
On a more serious note, in present-day Russia, the Red Square really does eject -- and beat and arrest [buffalonews.com] -- stars[1] when they show up to demonstrate against the government. Things are getting kinda shaky over there, it would appear.
[1] Garry Kasparov, specifically.
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I am worried.
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2d objects in 3d space (Score:1)
(Anyway, it looks like a lens flare.)
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wait for it...
a box.
Right angles (Score:1, Offtopic)
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The pools are open!
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Looks like a lot of things (Score:4, Insightful)
My second thought was it looked like those things we made in kindergarden where you wrap colored yarn around two sticks. I think my mom still has the one I made her, she used to put it on the Christmas tree.
It is most devinitly NOT a lens artifact, look at the other stars, they have six points, those are definitly caused by the camera, the Keck telescope uses hexagonal mirrors in its array.
Absolutly beautiful no matter how you look at it.
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http://opostaff.stsci.edu/~levay/color/HandoutIII
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It would have been so cool to have watched this star blow up, at least until the radiation/shockwave/neutron flux killed me, but till
It's Another Hourglass Morphology (Score:4, Informative)
Here are some additional hourglass morphologies with pictures that have been observed:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4953165/ [msn.com]
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/0510 05eta-carinae.htm [thunderbolts.info]
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/0504 26bug-nebula.htm [thunderbolts.info]
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/0504 15milkyway.htm [thunderbolts.info]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Supernova-1987a
Since hourglass morphologies are somewhat disconfirming to traditional mainstream cosmologies (ie, the Big Bang), the fact that they continue to be observed all over the universe escapes the notice of professional astrophysicists, whose primary concern is to prove the Big Bang Theory and Stellar Evolution Theories. Objectively interpreting these shapes for what they most likely represent means dropping complicated, mainstream astrophysical explanations, and accepting the notion that electricity flows through space over plasma as we know it does within the laboratory. In these particular instances, at least, it is clear that the electrical force is dominant to gravity. We can opt to devise all sorts of gravitation-centric explanations for hourglass morphologies, but in doing so, we consciously opt to violate Occam's Razor.
The implications of such strong evidence of electricity in space are overwhelming -- which provides all of the explanation necessary for avoiding abandonment of the traditional, more popular gravity-centric theories. When astrophysicists eventually accept that plasma in space has electrical resistance just like the plasma we observe in the laboratory, then they will begin to re-interpret all of our observations in terms of Maxwell's Equations rather than fluid and gas laws. And the enigmas of dark matter and dark energy will forever disappear, as this substitution can provide the exact forces necessary to explain things like how spiral galaxies can spin as if they are solid plates and how matter might repel other matter. The fact that we as a culture currently prefer to consider imaginary forces and particles to explain these "anomalies" rather than forces that we already understand will forever paint us to future generations as people who decided to favor the mathematicians and theories over our observational data and decades of experimental laboratory physics work.
The evidence for electricity in space is not a sparse patchwork here and there. It is a flood of data that is only allowed to escape the notice of the public with the help of overconfident astrophysicists and a mob mentality within the space enthusiast community. Anybody who is intellectually curious about the universe and less concerned with what the people around them believe than what in fact appears to be true should consider learning more about plasma physics and the electric universe we live in. Don Scott
Re:It's Another Hourglass Morphology (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:It's Another Hourglass Morphology (Score:4, Interesting)
The fact that you are not objectively considering the subject matter is evident in your decision to take a condescending tone. If you ever do decide to investigate the matter objectively, I think you will be surprised to find that there is indeed a serious debate here.
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Using the spectrum of a star, not only can the densities of various ions and electrons be calculated, but also the relative abundances of the elements. It's unfortunate that you are unaware of an entire branch of science, but not unexpected. I'd also like to know why you think that a large current in space would z-pinch in only one central point along the length of the cu
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From what I can gather, the people who are proposing the Electric Univer
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Most people with a scientific education would have stopped reading after the first line because it is a distortion of the truth based on total ignorance of how science and skepticisim work (and they do work!).
You have been duped/mislead and when/if you learn how to determine what is credible science you will be pissed off at those who duped you. A good place for you to start learning genuine skepticisim would be Carl Sagan
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You might want to check your facts. My sources tell me that NASA freely admits that it will not fund any research antithetical to the BB Theory. If people stop reading after my first line, it's not because of any dispute over that fact. It's generally accepted that funding only goes to the BB studie
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No you haven't, you missed the bit about self criticisim being the skeptics starting point.
"It's generally accepted that funding only goes to the BB studies...it did not earn him any funding...NASA would rather fund traditional explanations for our cometary data that have produced no predictions whatsoever (or even a coherent theory of how comets work)...Carl Sagan wasn't scared to take a hypocritical stance in order to "prove" a point...I prefer people who invest a
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See, the thing is, if your theory wasn't bunk, you wouldn't require an eminent authority to back it up. You would simply be able to present us with some links to credible science sources on the web.
Invoking a global conspiracy to explain the lack of acceptance for your theory, and just resorting to "prove me wrong" when backed into a corner is like having a giant neo
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I'd love to see how do you explain such fenomena using eletricity. Also, if you make an actual explanation the entire physics community will probably aplaud and recognize you (and teach your name on classrooms for decades to come).
But, of course, nobody w
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Anthony Perratt can generate spiral galaxies using nothing but the electrical properties of plasma in both computer simulations and in laboratory physics experiments. No dark
Critique of "The Electric Sky" (Score:3, Informative)
But has failed to convince these guys [plasmas.org] who correctly categorise "The Electric Sky" as a popularization [google.com.au] and point to an excellent critique of the book [tim-thompson.com].
If you are so eager to be a skeptic then start testing YOUR ideas and acknowledging their known flaws. If you do have the courage to test your convictions you will also notice that these "established scientists" are actively looking at alternatives to the big bang that involve plasma, including those that appear in popu
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"It fails to address..."
Tim has probably got better things to do with his time, at least until his current objections have been answered.
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Read the words that you quoted, because your reply (quoted above) has nothing to do with it nor did I say anything like that. What it was was sarcasm revolving around the fact that creationisim and ID amount to the same thing in different words, as I assume the electric sky/sun/universe books/theories/myths do.
As for the rest of your rant: Creationists are but one group amo
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Your posts contain a large amount of ad-homs that target the competence of the scientific community
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Excellent example of what I mean when I say that you do
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You sir have demonstrated through your tedious, rambling posts that you are a crank [wikipedia.org], like the majority of cranks you have little or no understanding that science is a process
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Let's look at the bigger picture of what's happening here. I'm telli
PAHs (Score:1)
dude, it's the borg (Score:5, Funny)
God's rendering engine running out of steam (Score:5, Funny)
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Yeah? They've been reported decades ago, and the exploits are out in the wild and in common use (tunnel diode, tunneling microscope and so on).
Will these pesky scientists be surprised when the next batch of patches comes.
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It's an imaging artifact (Score:1)
Hurricanes on earth also do that sometimes (Score:2)
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Hour Glass (Score:1)
The Hexagon on Saturn appears to be shaped by unseen elliptical convergences just below the surface. Think of a group of soap bubbles together to form the shape of a hexagon. No matter how twisted the wire frame of a bubble blower or how hard you blow, the bubbles will always be spherical. When cont
It's a artifact from a Type II civilization! ;) (Score:3, Interesting)
Type I - civilizations capable of harnessing the energy of a planetary body, Type II - civilizations capable of harnessing the energy of a star, Type III - civilizations capable of harnessing the energy of an entire galaxy. We are a Type I civilization.
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So many stars (Score:1)
Maybe they can use the adaptive optics (Score:1)
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Hurricane pictures show same shapes (Score:4, Informative)
http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/goes/030913.isabel.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm [enterprisemission.com]
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional
here is Ivan:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional
and here is Jean:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional
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More info (Score:3, Informative)
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http://abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2007/18954
Proof of God ... (Score:3, Funny)
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Ah, the famous old riddle... (Score:2, Funny)
remember odyssey 2001? (Score:1)
symmetrical? (Score:1)
You see symmetry because... (Score:2)
Lucky perspective? (Score:1)
What am I looking at? (Score:2)
Optical Illusion? (Score:2)
How can these scientists prove this image is not an optical illusion caused by some object between us and it? I find it very hard to believe that an object actually exploded into such a shape, and the fact that the researchers involved do not even mention that as a possibility seems absurd to me.
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Obviously (Score:2)
Or it could have been the egyptians.
Route of Ages (Score:2, Funny)
Free Life
Boaz
4 faces (Score:2, Funny)
Damn dumb dirty apes. (Score:2)
I mean, sure, it might confuse the more primitive, stupider races. But how important are they?
lense glare??? (Score:2)
Hexagon Explained?? (Score:2)
It's a Double Splash - from the side (Score:2)
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