Cancer Therapy with Radioactive Scorpion Venom 115
BostonBTS writes "Researchers from TransMolecular, Inc. have used chlorotoxin -- a component of giant yellow scorpion venom -- to target radioactive treatments for the deadly brain cancer glioma. From the article: 'In the study, 18 patients first had surgery to remove malignant gliomas, a lethal kind of brain tumor. Then doctors injected their brains with a solution of radioactive iodine and TM-601, the synthetic protein. The solution bound almost exclusively to leftover tumor cells, suggesting that it could be combined with chemotherapy to fight cancer. Furthermore, two study patients were still alive nearly three years after the treatment.' Their paper is slated for publication in the August issue of the Journal of Clinical Oncology."
with great power. .. (Score:5, Funny)
Just so long as they remember, "With great power comes great responsibility."
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People, wake up! (Score:4, Funny)
Injecting yourself with radioactive venom doesn't give you superpowers.
God KNOWS I've tried!
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Doc: I'm sorry, Mayor West, but you've got cancer.
West: Oh..., no superpowers? Speed? Strength?
Doc: No, just cancer.
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Two out of 18... (Score:3, Insightful)
They almost make it sound like the patients survived the treatment.
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RTFA:
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The Journal of Neuroscience [64.233.161.104] (google cache, the site appears to be down) says that "more than half die within 18 months". Presumably that's with standard treatment. If half were to die every 18 months, that would still leave 1/4 of the patients, around 4, after two years.
I'm sure that's not the right curve to draw; Wikipedia says "few patients survive beyond three years". Is "few" more or less than 2 out of 18? Probably less, but I'm still not at all clear on whether this treatment is actually better than the standard treatment.
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The problem with the "standard treatment" is it usually involves surgery. The Glial cells are the support and structure cells for the actual brain cells. To the naked eye, the cancerous cells (Glioma) are undistinguishable from normal cells (like sugar and salt mixed in a bowl - for multiforme), though an MRI can differentiate.
Any surgery also removes healthy Glial and brain cells (which do not regenerate) and the patient's functionality degrades. All it takes is one remaining Glioma cell and the process starts again.
Some people cannot, or choose not to, have surgery. As I posted earlier, my wife died in January of a GBM, just 7 weeks after diagnosis. She declined as it was next to her brain stem and would have left her completely paralyzed on her left side and blind in the left side of each eye. Surgery may have prolonged her life a bit, but it wouldn't have been the life she loved.
Hopefully, treatments like this will reduce the need for surgery at some point.
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A very good friend of mine was recently diagnosed with inoperable, multi-tumor stomach cancer.. life can really be a bitch.
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Thank you, and I'm sorry for your loss as well. The /. crowd has been (generally) very compassionate in their responses to the relevant posts I've made over the months. You and I share an experience no one should have to endure. I'm not saying that there aren't more tragic events out there, but, well, you know...
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"In the study, 18 patients first had surgery to remove malignant gliomas".
So, they had the standard surgical treatment, and _then_ the radioactive venom. Alfred's question remains unanswered... How does 2/18 at 3 years differ from the survival rate for just the surgical procedure?
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Not much, (though the stats for GBM patients with treatment is basically 2 / 12,500 after 3 years, so 2/18 is better) but you can't get enrolled in studies like this without first having standard treatment first. The priority is saving lives (well trying to), then furthering research.
For all practi
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You Made A Bad Assumption (Score:1)
These poor folks have no other choice but to pursue experimental therapy - otherwise their expected survival rate is MUCH less than what would occur in the normal population.
In addition, Phase I trials are NOT designed to measure efficacy - they are designed to measure safety. Phase II & III trials will be able to determine prospectively efficacy of treatment versus con
Re:Two out of 18... (Score:3, Insightful)
How unusual would it be for there to be two survivors at three years without using this new treatment?
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> even with a good sized tail, 2/18 patients lasting 3 years is enough to make it worthwhile funding
> another study....
No. You've still not answered the question. If 2 patients lasting 3 years is what you'd expect to happen without treatment then there would be very little point in funding that study at the expense of another study which showed that 2 patients lasted 3 years where normally they'd
Re:Two out of 18... (Score:3, Insightful)
with an average survival time in months, one person lasting 3 years would be good. 2 people lasting 3 years means either
1) this study group got really lucky or,
2) This method is really, really promising.
with bets on #2.
I think that somebody posted that the 3 year survival rate is something like 3%, so this 10% survival rate is unusually high -- but possibly skewed by the sample size. This also depends on the patient group.... Young patients (rare) have a higher survival rate (u
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So, would that mean, if a glioma patient has of chosen to see a shaman witch doctor (note, probably too much redundancy in the last three words), who stung him with a yellow scorpion, might live longer than a patient in a similar condition under going western treatment. Depending on how healthy the patient and the ability of the shaman to administer a non-lethal dose, or maybe the
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"The solution bound almost exclusively to leftover tumor cells, suggesting that it could be combined with chemotherapy to fight cancer. Furthermore, two study patients were still alive nearly three years after the treatment. Because life expectancy for the 14,000 annual glioma patients in the United States is typically a matter of months, the results shore up animal research indicating that the venom protein may inhibit tumor growth even without a radioactive component"
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In short, this looks very promising but we're a long way from any sort of clinically relavent treatment.
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Says the guy with "godgab" as his god damned signature.
Un-fucking-believable.
-Peter
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-Peter
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They want the part that isn't infested with 4-inch long yellow scorpions.
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Which, it turns out, will only be fit for 4-inch long yellow scoprions when people are through with it.
I turns out, human beings are only the fourth most intelligent species on planet.
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Yeah, but... (Score:3, Funny)
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There's Tactics which was alright.
There's that console game which everyone hates.
And there's Fallout 3 which Bethesda is working on which is not out yet...
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Injected their brains?? (Score:4, Funny)
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Damn. And I thought it was ink for ink jet refills!
Old news to players of Fallout (Score:2)
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PA prediction? (Score:2, Informative)
It's been done.
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Does whatever a scorpion can
He's got acid to dissolve, the guts of thieves with resolve
Look out! Here comes the Scorpion Man.
Can he sting? Listen, Bud, he's got radioactive blood
Can his pincers grab you fast?
Can you say "You bet yer ass"?
Hey there! There goes the Scorpion Man.
KFG
Hard to see how they would target cancer cells (Score:1)
You're the resident expert... (Score:2)
It would seem, at first glance, that this tagging mechanism would be ideal for treat
Re:You're the resident expert... (Score:2, Interesting)
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Having gone through treatment for lymphoma (MALT), not bad (for me personally) but has to depend on individual reactions.
I kept the hair on top of my head but lost my eyebrows and eyelashes.
Re:Hard to see how they would target cancer cells (Score:2)
The tagging is NOT going to assist anything chemically (otherwise it would be east to separate U235 from natural uranium). If the targeted cells have a large affinity for some unusual chemical, then a radioactive version of that chemical will deliver a concentrated dose. If nothing else has an affinity for it, then nothing else will be much bothered. The ideal is some e
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More treatments (Score:5, Informative)
The amazon jungle is full of life, and it's all practically poisonous plants and insects. Think about it -- the biggest predator in the jungle is man, and jaguars are a close second, coming in at about 70 pounds. All of the biomass in the jungle is bound up in plants and insects. There has been no downtime in the evolution of living things in the jungle for the past several million years. There is no winter, no dead non-metabolising topsoil -- animals and plants just eating and mating and reproducings generation after generation. The ethnobotanist Mark Plotkin says that the jungle is chemical warfare that has been going on for millions of years.
When I was on an excursion in the jungle of Ecuador, I decided to take a small hike during some downtime in the program. Foolishly I wore only sandals on my feet. Not 15 minutes down the trail, I felt dozens of ants biting my foot. Panicked, I reached down to brush them all off, but there was only three or four ants on my foot! When they bit into my skin, I didn't feel anything, but moments later, I would feel several bites in different places on my foot.
So my long-winded point is that there are millions of potential cancer cures out there, all kinds of medications and interesting chemicals. All of the chemical defenses plants and animals evolve work by interrupting or changing the normal cellular functioning of living organisms. The difference between medicine and poison is a question of dosage, as Plotkin paraphrased Paracelsus. We really need to work hard to make sure that this incredible resource stays around for future research. I don't know specifically what you and I can do, but awareness is the first step.
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I'd also like to tank you for reinforcing a long-standing theory of mine: The only people who call the jungle a rain forest are the people who've never had to spend a night in it.
Re:More treatments (Score:2, Interesting)
1 http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2006/04/26/ju ngle_rot.php [corante.com]
2 http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2006/04/3 [corante.com]
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This is why its important to read labels! (Score:2, Funny)
How'd they come up with that? (Score:3, Funny)
Doctor (whispers): Nurse. What do we have to euthanize this patient and put him out of his misery?
Nurse (whispers): We got some radioactive scorpion venom, that should be quick.
Doctor: 100 CCs of radioactive scorpion venom, stat!
-NURSE INJECTS VENOM-
Patient: I feel better.
Doctor & Nurse in unison: Holy Sh*t!
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Just great. (Score:3, Insightful)
My world, however, will remain dark.
Remember Sue...
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lucky (Score:2)
My wife also died of a brain tumour (Glioma but not GBM). She survived for 10 years. 6 of those 10 years were very difficult for me because I had to provide 100% supervision.
Mind you my wife did reasonably well for the first 3-4 years. She finished uni and my son was born and now he has graduated with distinction. Nevertheless I had the tripple duty of providing for my family, looking after her and running my business and I did
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While I cannot begin to realize what you and your wife had to endure, I did get a glimpse of this over the 7 weeks from diagnosis to death. Susan's Solu-Medrol dosage was 160mg / day (40mg x 4) which was high enough to require it be given IV. She had a PIC line and I administered it every 6 hours along with the other (oral) me
Oblig. Sealab 2021, "All That Jazz" (Score:2)
Biology Related to Chlorotoxin (Score:5, Informative)
The effectiveness of chlorotoxin in treatment of glioblastomas was discovered by a scientist here at my institution (http://www.neurobiology.uab.edu/Faculty/Sontheim
The size-changing migratory ability is related to a specific chloride ion channel that expresses highly and uniquely on certain brain cancer cells, including gliomas (PubMed ID: 8804043, 8967454). Chlorotoxin, a chloride channel inhibitor discovered in 1993 (PubMed ID: 8383429) was more interestingly found to bind to this glioma-specific chloride ion channel in mice in 1998 (PubMed ID: 9809993) and humans in 2002 (PubMed ID: 12112367). Although it was shown that chlorotoxin failed to inhibit migratory ability due to size-change, chlorotoxin was shown to inhibit migration by inhibition of another protein involved in breaking down the extracellular matrix, allowing cells to more easily migrate.
The strategy that TransMolecular uses to treat gliomas lies in the specificity of expression of the channel to which chlorotoxin binds. That channel is expressed on the vast majority of glioma tissue samples tested, and only rarely on normal tissue. If one attaches a weak or short-lasting radioactive moiety to chlorotoxin, a potential treatment can be to target glioma cells using chlorotoxin, and then kill them by short-lasting localized radiation. This strategy is already being used in Non Hodgkins Lymphoma and other diseases by attaching to tumor- targeting antibodies a radioactive iodine atom.
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Not a breakthrough (Score:1)
I mean if they said that 13 of the 18 patient still lived then it would suggest a real breakthrough and a valid treatment but come on, two out of 18 is 11% success, that hardly counts.
Radioactive Scorpion Venom ?!?!? (Score:1)
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You could also interpret this as "furthermore, sixteen study patients died within three years of treatment"...
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