Cell Phone Radiation Excites the Brain 115
frostilicus2 writes "The Register is reporting that Italian researchers have shown that radiation from mobile phones can excite the brain's cortex. A region that is "responsible for many higher faculties". They even claim that such an effect could be beneficial to some conditions."
Great! (Score:5, Funny)
Heh (Score:1, Funny)
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He recevied probation for drug and theft charges and never made the slightest effort to do anything required for the probation. Although he claims to have had permission from the probation officer to move out of the county, when the sheriff asked me where he was and I a
Ummm (Score:5, Insightful)
Counterpoint, so does that mean that in other conditions it is harmful. Like causing you to drive like a moron.
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Maybe not. But there is that rare occasion where you suddenly need 100% brain power to make a quick decision. If you are engrossed in a phone conversation, it ain't there. Sorry. I should not be subject to your lack of attention on the road.
And how do you drive with a cell in your hand? Turn signals are NOT optional despite popular opinion. When you are actually driving, do you take you "free hand" off the wheel to use it? Or do you just changes lanes, and leave it to everyone else to just deal with it?
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Where did you find a car that requires you to remove your hand from the wheel to use the turn signal?
Now if you were talking about driving a manual transmission where the shifter is not on the steering column, then maybe you'd have a point. But then you don't see people talking about banning manual transmissions as being a d
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Even if the shifter were on the steering column (pretty uncommon in cars made after oh, about 1965) how would you drive one-handed? "Sorry for skating across three lanes of traffic, officer. I was trying to put it in third."
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As for being able to react, I drive one-handed normally anyways, and how long does it take to throw the cell phone on the seat and react?
I definately find that I have less of a reaction time if my fiance is with me and we are talking about something or I am gazing/staring at her than if I am talk
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That's why god gave you KNEES
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My 2007-model car has paddle shifters on the steering wheel. There is also a PRNDS shifter between the front seats, but I don't need to use it while in motion. It is an automatic transmission where in D the car does the shifting and in S you do it yourself, with no clutch. (You can still override the gear temporarily in D with the shifters.)
how would you drive one-handed? "Sorry for skating across three la
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I had a 1971 Dodge somethingorother which had a manual shifter on the steering column ("three on the tree", with the neat mnemonic that backing up was "back and up").
I don't know how long after 1971 they stopped making that model; on a galactic scale, you're accurate. ;-)
Re:Ummm (Score:2)
So should people not be allowed to listen to and sing along with music, because I've seen some people that are deffinitely not paying attention to the road while "rocking out" to their music. Or not allowed to eat in their car? I've had seen several businessmen veer out of their lane after spilling some sort of sauce on their shirt. How about we eliminate carpool lanes and not allow passengers, since you are more likely to have more e
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Damn right - no way you should be eating if you are driving.
"How about we eliminate carpool lanes and not allow passengers, since you are more likely to have more engrossing conversations with them since you also have body language to process and pay attention to."
How about we be realistic and accept the fact that if you are driving you aren't going to be lookin
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If we are realistic, we can't accept that, because we know it's not true. We've been watching people talking to their passengers, even in the back seat, and turning around to listen to them. We've seen women turn around to smack their kid while driving in rush hour traffic. We've seen a wide range of human stupidity, and lack your faith in humanity, because we are no
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Yeah, that's illegal too. Believe it or not, the law actually requires the driver to watch the road. Therefore, your example carries no contrarian weight; all you've done is to shore up that cellular during driving is a bad idea.
Some people can handle talking on the cellphone while driving
Studies show they can't. I had friends in college who would insist they could handle driving drunk, too
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You're an idiot if you think that. I see people talking on cellphones as they drive past cops all the time, both on and off the freeway. I live in California. It's also illegal to drive in the passing lane, which creates dangerous driving conditions, but they don't hand out tickets for that either. Maybe in SOME parts of California they actually write tickets
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You're an idiot if you think that.
The law allows for it, and San Diego County has been doing it for a year and a half. If I'm an idiot, I'm an idiot backed up by fact. Think I'm wrong? Try driving up Aero Drive and yakking on a cellular. You won't make it halfway to the mall.
Maybe in SOME parts of California they actually write tickets for that, but not anyw
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You didn't say San Diego. You said California. If you don't want to be argued with, be precise.
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This attitude is one of the hallmarks of psychopathy, as is lashing out when criticised. You've displayed your hand, and are now marginalized. Thanks for doing my footwork for me.
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It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you. Again, if you don't believe they are, then you are paying insufficient attention. Meanwhile, you are clearly helping them maintain their control by pla
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playing the radio while driving (Score:2)
So should people not be allowed to listen to and sing along with music
I don't know if it's still like that but when I was in Germany it was illegal to play the radio while you were driving.
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But when those two 10%'s intersect, you have a problem.
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That isn't determined by what you are doing, but rather your ability of your mind. People like to think we are equal, but a common neuroscientist will point out that this is pre-determined by education, genetics, and diet. Oh and don't forget health and sleep.
A person talking on a cell phone who is well rested and well fed is less dangerous than a guy who has no sleep for over 24 hours and is compens
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America is different from Germany. How often do Germans go on 8-hour drives? It's pretty common here. I can spend 8 hours just driving to the next state, or to the nearest major city. When you're on a drive that long, and that uneventful with few other cars even in
travel by trains in Europe (Score:2)
We just happen to use the same vehicles for both tasks. I'm just guessing, but Germans probably more frequently use trains when traveling long distances.
When I was there travel by train was the most frequent method of traveling longer distances not just in Germany by in most of Europe. Trains were better suited for passenger travel there than it the US. However a few years back I heard that was changing, that air travel was becoming more popular. After 911 while airlines were hurting in the US, a few
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You're subject to it whether you wish to be or not. Not having a cell phone to my ear does not preclude me from talking to passengers in the car, being distracted by concerns over job security, having my attention on some other car, or just plain zoning out.
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Slide hand to left side of wheel. Extend finger(s). Use extended finger(s) to push turn signal lever up or down. Easy.
(Note that I very, very rarely talk on my cellphone whether driving or not. I just drive one-handed the vast majority of the time.)
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Also, I can hit my turn signal using the hand with which I am driving without releasing the w
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What the hell is so important that you have to make a phone call while driving? I can understand using it to try and find a close parking space to a friend, or maybe trying to find someone whom you're giving a ride to, but people on the road are having 20+ minute conversations.
Seriously people, hang up the damn phone.
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Good spatial awareness is essential for safe driving, and as you pointed out a lot of people drive with one hand anyway, so I wouldn't be surprised if the accident rate was equally high for people using hands-free phones. You could test this theory in a driving simulator by asking one group of subjects to perform a spatial awareness task (eg matching rotated shapes) and a second group to perform a verbal task (eg listening comprehension).
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The NY Times had an interesting article on this recently [nytimes.com] (Times Select subscription required). Researchers put video cameras in cars and collected information about what was going on in the car in the seconds before an accident. The result was that "driver inattention was the overwhelming cause of the crashes in the study."
My own opinion is that conversations inside the car are less distracting than cell phone conversations because the second party to the converstation is aware of the situation outside the car and knows when to shut up or to wait for an answer. The person on the other end of the cell phone conversation doesn't have this extra input and so the conversation doesn't have the natural breaks for heavy traffic that an in-car converstation would have.
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Mod parent up. I think this is a very good point. Passengers
A river in egypt (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't care if you believe pixies will magically steer your car away from accidents. I'm telling you: People driving with cell phones drive worse than without the cell phone.
This isn't an opinion, nor a belief, it's an observation.
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What about those people who become less aggressive beause they're on the phone and they take extra precautions for just that reason?
I believe your sample size is too small to be statistically useful.
First against the wall when the revolution comes (Score:2)
The road ragers who are too distracted by the phone to focus their anger on the drivers around them?
Driving while distracted varies by individual (Score:2, Insightful)
Distractions come in many flavors besides cell phone use. Noisy kids in the back seat. Changing the radio dial. Unexpected construction signs. Flashing billboards. Other drivers honking. A news bulletin on the radio.
It is each driver's responsibility to know how much each distraction will impair him and how much impairment he can handle given traffic and road conditions.
On familiar road with little or no traffic and no u
Re:Ummm (Score:2, Interesting)
Your anecdotal evidence is contradicted by studies that have shown automobile drivers talking on cellphones are as accident prone and unsafe [google.com] as drunk drivers. Some countries ban cell phones and driving at the same time and make it an arrestable offense.
My two cents:
I bet if you take a survey of drivers who talk on their phones a large majority of them would say they are not causing problems. Just like you said about yourself. And most of them would be wrong.
Also, I've had plenty of friends and coworkers cal
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Studies have also shown that sleep deprivation is as bad as or worse than being legally drunk [eurekalert.org]: "The most severe effects of sleep inertia generally dissipated within the first 10 minutes, although its effects are often detectable for up to two hours, accor
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Excellent point. It's one of the major reasons why I think we should just scrap all of the laws banning "driving while X" and start enforcing the laws against reckless driving. A revolutionary idea, I know - removing people from the road because they're driving poorly instead of because of what's in their hand or how much sleep/food/booze they've had - but it seems to me like it just might work...
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Amen to that. Actually there's a whole lot of car crap that's like that, for example emissions regulations. Why is the equipment on my vehicle at all significant? Just check my tailpipe. Worry about the results, not the method.
Excellent point. (Score:2)
Do we next arrest people for not having enough sleep?
It's one of the major reasons why I think we should just scrap all of the laws banning "driving while X" and start enforcing the laws against reckless driving. A revolutionary idea, I know - removing people from the road because they're driving poorly instead of because of what's in their hand or how much sleep/food/booze they've had - but it seems to me like it just might work...
Agreed. Although I occassionally say something like "I wish there we
Are cells worse for drivers than other things? (Score:2)
1) Conversations with other car occupants (can be quite distractions)
2) Radio fiddling (or even just listening and grooving along)
3) Operating cabin climate controls, navigation systems, etc.
4) External stimuli (car accidents to gawk at, pretty girls to lead the eye, etc)
5) Alcohol
6) Drugs, prescription or otherwise
7) Fatigue (Drowsiness probably kills as many people as cell phones ever will)
8) Drinks and/or food in the car especially if consumed on the move
9) L
Change blindness & dual-task interference. (Score:2)
I would actually like to see studies that show no effect. I'm actually quite familiar with studies that show that cell phone driving does have an effect and would like to see a good counterpoint. I recommend reading a post I wrote up in another discussion about David Strayers's work on dual-task interference and change blindness. [slashdot.org] Humans don't multitask all that well despite their own perceptions of their abilities.
In fact, I would not be surpr
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So? A lot of people believe that drive just as well stoned or drunk as they do sober - but the emprical evidence for all three is starkly clear; anything that distracts your attention from the road or impairs your reaction speed leads to an increase in accidents.
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A good control would be to test cognative abilitity while driving with a handsfree (wired) - this would eliminate the variable of how many hands are on the steering wheel, and electromagnetic radia
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I always thought that the problem stemmed from having a specific source of sound that you're concentrating on, located only at one ear. It's very different from using a handsfree speakerphone, or from talking to other people in the car, where both ears pick up the nois
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Every study I've ever seen claims cell phone driving to be worse than alcohol in as regards the effects on driving. Several people have claimed these studies are mixed; still, when I've asked for references, I've received none. I don't actually believe that there are studies which say otherwise. I believe that this is a case of people reporting misinformation they'd heard, something which is deeply offensive to those interested in factual argu
Like everything, it depends on who you get. (Score:1)
Not the phones. (Score:2)
But the general public blames the cell phones.
Re:Ummm (Score:4, Interesting)
Regarding driving like a moron: If you're using a cell phone while driving, you're probably already a moron. The cell phone is coincidental, not causal.
=Smidge=
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Because nobody drove like a moron before the invention of the cell phone?
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Counterpoint, so does that mean that in other conditions it is harmful. Like causing you to drive like a moron.
Certainly does. A number of tymes I've had to avoid accidents when someone was talking on their cellphone while driving. If these people must talk on thier cellphone while driving the least they can do is get a handsfree setup so one arm isn't glued to their head!
FalconPresumably: Driving a car... (Score:1, Funny)
Might explain something (Score:2)
Young male volunteers at Fatebenefratelli hospital in Milan used a GSM900 device for 45 minutes. Reporting in the journal Annals of Neurology, Dr Paolo Rossini and colleagues then measured activity in the motor cortex, located near the ear. Powerful magnets aimed at the motor cortex have been shown to induce muscles to twitch.
It might explain while people can't seem to walk and talk on their mobile phone at the same time.
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Dear God, what if they were also trying to chew gum? Just think of the carnage!
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Really? Moving magnetic fields can induce electrical potential in the brain? I wonder which psychologist figured that out...
Really? (Score:1)
Where's the control group? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Peter
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From the article:
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Whoops, I lied. That's not from the article Slashdot linked to, it's from the actual study, the link to which I found on a similar BetaNews story. Do yourself a favor--skip the writeup in The Register and read the abstract yourself: Wiley InterScience Journal - Abstract [wiley.com].
Sounds like a report designed to secure more $ (Score:5, Insightful)
Pseudo-science (Score:1, Insightful)
Then why...? (Score:2)
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Then why do I always feel slightly dumber after talking on one of the damn things?
Maybe you should get some smarter friends. (Or some dumber ones.)
doesn't seem scientifically valid (Score:4, Interesting)
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The cell phone is chronic exposure. It damn well better not come even remotely close to the level needed for killing a large chunk of tissue deep inside the head.
Re:doesn't seem scientifically valid (Score:5, Insightful)
And then your brain cools itself back down the same way it would if it were a hot day outside.
Obviously it's theoretically possible that a lot of microwave photons could cause a lot of damage by heating the brain to the point where chemical change occurs. Your brain can cool itself quite comfortably if the hotspots don't heat up at a rate any more than 1K per hour - I've never actually heard of anyone checking that this is so, but I would expect that this was part of the initial safety testing when cell phones were first introduced.
(Note that microwaves haven't enough energy to ionise the brain like your gamma or X rays do - they work by heating molecules rather than by ripping the electrons off an atom to change the chemical structure.)
You forgot... (Score:2)
Such a growth is called "Cancer".
And now you have learned.
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That tells us everything we need to know. You're worried about something you neither have read nor understood, but you feel empowered to tell other people how bad it is despite your ignorance.
Don't you have the good sense to be ashamed of behaving this way?
Cell phone radiation is of sufficiently low energy that I am not sure it can even penetrate INTO the bra
Aural Exciter (Score:4, Interesting)
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This isn't news (Score:3, Funny)
"Cortex" vs "Motor Cortex" (Score:2)
My overall reaction is positive. I have ADD, so I'll be strapping my phone to my forehead and talking on my earpiece in the hope that the radiation will go straight to my prefrontal cortex. I'll look silly, but I'm used to that, and there's a slim chance that maybe I'll stop losing my keys.
Is this something like.... (Score:1)
-Todd
Now where.... (Score:1)