Science and Technology Medals Awarded 147
An anonymous reader writes "The Boston Globe is reporting that President Bush awarded science and technology achievement medals today to 15 laureates. The list of medal winners includes those who have done work that has 'revolutionized organ transplants, led to development of global positioning systems, and helped feed millions around the world.' "
Great! (Score:5, Insightful)
And since he's so up on the "spirit of discovery" being a part of American culture, he surely wouldn't cut funds for schools...
Re:Great! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Great! (Score:3, Interesting)
No shit. This is not an administration that has been kind to science. Last year they cut the National Science Foundation's budget (the NSF is a major soource of grant awards for facilities, researchers, postdocs, and graduate students in all areas of science). This year they increased it by 2.4%. On the surface that sounds great, but actually that's less than the rate of inflation- so it's effectively a cut, just not as large a cut. As the saying goes, wat
Re:Great! (Score:5, Informative)
According to the Budget of the United States Government: Historical Tables Fiscal Year 2007 -- Section 4 -- Federal Government Outlays by Agency [gpoaccess.gov] that is simply not the case. Spending for the Department of Education is much higher and increased much more sharply under Bush than his predecessor (2006 EST $83 Billion versus 2000 $33 Billion). There is a sharp dropoff at 2007 to EST $64 Billion but this is still above 2004 levels -- perhaps this is the cut that you are talking about?
These sorts of accusations are of course nothing new [factcheck.org]. I would like to make a bold proposal that Slashdot posters actually take the time to read the articles, fact-check, and follow up with relevant posts.
Re:Great! (Score:1)
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http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStory.cfm?Arti cleID=6101 [eschoolnews.com]
"Overall
Re:you too could perhaps do some reading. (Score:2)
The name is not hilarious at all, it is downright scary if you append the words that have been left out after "behind": "by military recruiters".
Re:you too could perhaps do some reading. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:you too could perhaps do some reading. (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm not trying to troll. The treatment of veterens costs a lot and lasts the life of the patient. It is certainly important that we support our veterans who have made such sacrifices but it sure would be nice if we didn't need to produce quite so many of them.
Also, I think providing options besides wars in the streets or wars in the desert would serve everyone better.
Re:Great! (Score:1)
Re:wait I'm confused (Score:2, Funny)
Re:wait I'm confused (Score:2)
Bush didn't take office until January of 2001.
Re:wait I'm confused (Score:1)
Re:Here is some Food for thought (Score:2)
That's called an unfunded mandate, and it was a common complaint from Republicans in the 90s. It's all part of Bush's plan to kill public education: set impossible goals while choking off funding.
Re:Great! (Score:2)
Re:Great! (Score:3, Interesting)
I mean, the U.S. is doing a pretty crappy job compared to other countries... and we spend more per capita than nearly all other industrialized nations - both in dollars and percentage of GDP.
Re:Great! (Score:2)
Grab.
Re:Great! (Score:2)
That's overly simplistic. Sports teams also GENERATE revenue. If only 200 people show up to your local high school football game and spend 5$ to get in and 2$ each at the concession stand, you have already made $1400 minus food costs. I'd say that the numbers listed are pretty conservative estimates (at least when I went to high school at a relatively small high school), and considering most high
Re:Great! (Score:2)
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Re:Schools are a local and county responsibility (Score:2)
Unfortunately, while what you say regarding bureaucratic inefficiencies has some merit, what that would result in is affluent areas (with their associated high tax base) having excellent schools, while poor areas would have hardly any, and those that did exist would be very poor quality. This would contribute to urban decay and the development of "ghetto" areas along racial and class lines. You already see this to an alarming degree.
If some type of local educational revenue-sharing model could be establis
And here I was hoping ... (Score:5, Funny)
Damn you, inconveniently timed State of the Union address! DAMN YOU!
Ah, well, no matter. I shall simply toil in obscurity a little while longer -- and then when the day comes, let the planet tremble at my name! You laughed at me! You called me mad! I'll show you! I'LL SHOW YOU ALL!
Re:And here I was hoping ... (Score:1)
Re:And here I was hoping ... (Score:2)
And They Receive? (Score:1)
Re:And They Receive? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:And They Receive? (Score:4, Insightful)
vague.... (Score:5, Funny)
Seems that they're REALLY filtering the science news for the masses these days...
Re:vague.... (Score:1)
Norman E. Borlaug, Texas A&M University; College Station, Texas, for breeding semi-dwarf, disease-resistant high-yield wheat and instructing farmers in its cultivation to help ease starvation.
Whoop! Gig 'em ag. And congrats! By the way, I'm still waiting for the purple carrot to hit my local HEB grocer. That would definitely curb my appetite. Or maybe not. I bet 2 tablespoons of melted butter lavished atop my purple carrot with a sauerkraut side and a kolb
Re:vague.... (Score:4, Funny)
Hey, I go there.... (Score:4, Informative)
In case you were wondering, here's Dr. Sullivan's website: http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~dennis/ [sunysb.edu]
Re:vague.... (Score:4, Interesting)
The quote you cite is actually pretty much straight from the NSF announcement [nsf.gov] of the awards, so the dumbing down happened at that level, not from the newspaper. I had a quick skim through his recently published papers (as in titles and MathSciNet reviews) and while he is obviously doing some interesting work, apparently mostly in algebraic and differential topology, I couldn't easily discern what new fields he's created, nor what unexpected connections he's made - so it indeed would have been nice if the summary had included just a little more information clarifying that. I'm honestly curious now - can anyone provide a quick overview of his more important contributions?
Jedidiah.
So... (Score:1)
Re:So... (Score:3, Funny)
Bush isn't the intellectual featherweight people seem to think he is and his writings show it. He had a good run as President from '89-'93.
Oh wait... You mean Bush Jr?
Know Thy Enemy (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe he thinks he's at the Olympics, and these medalists need his help to get corporate sponsors for some advertising dollars to, you know, kind of catapult the propaganda.
Re:Know Thy Enemy (Score:1)
Aren't you ashamed to worship such an evil, stupid god as Bush?
Oh? Did he award one to that dropout at NASA? (Score:3, Insightful)
Before he awards any Science awards he should fire all the ignorant political appointees he placed to oversee real scientists. He should fire anybody who is as incompetent and unqualified as "You are doing a heck of a job Brownie."
Re:Oh? Did he award one to that dropout at NASA? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Oh? Did he award one to that dropout at NASA? (Score:2)
* RFK was not a dropout.
* RFK had fulltime employment prior to taking a high level government appointment.
* RFK did not lie on his resume.
* RFK was a lawyer -- did have expertise in his department, the Departmen
Troll my ass! (Score:1, Troll)
Before he awards any Science awards he should fire all the ignorant political appointees he placed to oversee real scientists. He should fire anybody who is as incompetent and unqualified as "You are doing a heck of a job Brownie."
Troll my ass, this is a very valid point posted above, as well
Maybe it's too much to ask... (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd like to know more about the science. I don't really if an individual poster likes or dislikes Bush.
Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... (Score:5, Insightful)
This isn't meant to debate the principles, or even take away from the work of those given the awards, but it's rather plain to see that the President has made himself worthy of ridicule when it comes to science.
Even if it's only symbolic, I'd rather see such things presented as national awards by noted scientists, perhaps with an appearance or a note from W congratulating the winners.
Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... (Score:2)
No, it's not. Like it or not, as the President, he is the representative of the United States in these kinds of matters. The duty falls to him personally but to the office.
Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... (Score:2)
Nobody is questioning whether it's his offices's duty to present these awards. We are only reflecting on the irony of George W. Bush, a man seemingly bent on setting science back decades, presenting science awards. To make another analogy, it is like Philip Morris presenting fitness awards.
Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... (Score:1, Insightful)
Such awards are about manipulating perceptions, but in the past, they seemed to be calling attention to achievements of lasting value, which we would have applauded on o
Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... (Score:2, Insightful)
There are large groups of people in the US who despise the very science and scientists that make their quality of life as good as it is.
Everything from postnatal care to cable TV is the product of science and directly improves the life of almost every single citizen of the United States. Yet there is a definite atmosphere of anti science and anti engineering while at the same time all our pollution and energy problems
Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... (Score:2)
Why such weak examples ? Say "automobiles and refrigerators", and it suddenly becomes crystal clear that science doesn't just improve the life of most citizens, its products are pretty much a necessity.
anti-science (Score:2)
Science was supposed to make life better. By making things more efficient, it was supposed to make our biggest problem what to do with all of our leasure time. It was supposed to bring an era of plenty for all, and end poverty.
I know, sounds Pollyanna-ish.
But you know, thinking harder about it, I believe all of the Pollyanna stuff I just spouted is possible, and with today's technology. The
Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... (Score:2)
There are large groups of people in the US who despise the very science and scientists that make their quality of life as good as it is.
I disagree. I think the number of people who actually despise science and scientists are a lot fewer than you think.
This anti science attitude is not just completely a product of the right wing either. Plenty of moderates or even "left wingers" see science as something boring wh
Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... (Score:2)
It seems like there's been a disillusionment with science that creeped into American society sometime between the space race and the end of the cold war.
Maybe it was due to all of the things that were commonplace but harmful -- like asbestos. "They told us it was safe." Add in some litigation as a definite reason to assess and avoid blame, and some large conspiracies came about. Who could be trusted? Every few years, the conventional wisdom o
Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... (Score:1)
Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... (Score:1)
Re:Maybe it's too much to ask... (Score:1)
Sorry, unless this is your first visit to /., what the hell did you expect? A solid record for ignoring, delaying, banning and otherwise disrespecting science, on top of the dangerous idiocy of his foreign policies, makes for a lot of anger when this dickhead's mentioned.
You want to read about the awards and the science? Try to RTFA and maybe hit a science site - or maybe the one that is connected to th [nationalmedals.org]
Blasphemy! (Score:4, Funny)
Blasphemy! God created the heavens in six days, it was intelligently designed (TM) from the start! Blasphemy!
Re:Blasphemy! (Score:1)
Re:Blasphemy! (Score:2)
Hooked On Phonics (Score:1, Troll)
How many did still get wrong?
Re:Hooked On Phonics (Score:2)
The other 10% read Slashdot
Re:Hooked On Phonics (Score:1)
Something like "Weed laik too preezent the aword foa jenettikally enjeneeyad myuutant weet to..."
A little late? (Score:1)
These are actually... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:These are actually... (Score:2)
Re:These are actually... (Score:4, Informative)
1986 awards presented on Mar 12, 1986 [nsf.gov]
1987 awards presented on Jun 25, 1987 [nsf.gov]
1988 awards presented on Jul 15, 1988 [nsf.gov]
1989 awards presented on Oct 18, 1989 [nsf.gov]
1990 awards presented on Nov 13, 1990 [nsf.gov]
1991 awards presented on Sep 16, 1991 [nsf.gov]
1992 awards presented on Jun 23, 1992 [nsf.gov]
1993 awards presented on Sep 30, 1993 [nsf.gov]
1994 awards presented on Dec 19, 1994 [nsf.gov]
1995 awards presented on Oct 18, 1995 [nsf.gov]
1996 awards presented on Jul 26, 1996 [nsf.gov]
1997 awards presented on Dec 17, 1997 [nsf.gov]
1998 awards presented on Apr 27, 1999 [nsf.gov]
1999 awards presented on Mar 14, 2000 [nsf.gov]
2000 awards presented on Dec 1, 2000 [nsf.gov]
2001 awards presented on Jun 12, 2002 [nsf.gov]
2002 awards presented on Nov 6, 2003 [nsf.gov]
2003 awards presented on Mar 14, 2005 [nsf.gov]
2004 awards presented on Feb 13, 2006
Re:These are actually... (Score:2, Informative)
Assuming the site to lag behing the news for a day or so, it seems the awardees were just recently named!
I think we can all agree the President has more pressing matters to attend to than spending his time beatin' up the NSF for not producing those names.
Had some great flamebait attached to the end of this, but decided to let it go.
Inappropriate Behavior. (Score:1, Troll)
Re:Inappropriate Behavior. (Score:3, Insightful)
Getting a Presidential award looks good for you, for the people you work for, and the people they work for.
Taking a 'principled' stand and deciding to decline the honor might be a quick way to lose your job and any funding that goes with it.
Science has its share of politics too.
Re:Inappropriate Behavior. (Score:2, Insightful)
You know, just to give Bush a good shove in the right direction and remind him that he needs science, not the other way around.
Re:Inappropriate Behavior. (Score:1)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0602
Re:Inappropriate Behavior. (Score:1)
The guy was/is in the Dominican Republic with his family.
That entire article is one big example of what I was saying. Everyone and their cousing is saying "of course I would go"
Re:Inappropriate Behavior. (Score:2)
Golden Aren'tcha? (Score:3, Insightful)
So Ray Kroc got one?
Congrats to George Lucas (Score:3, Informative)
A trivia about ILM -- John Lasseter (director of Toy Story) worked for ILM in the early 1980s as a computer animator. The computer graphics department, now known as Pixar, was eventually sold to Steve Jobs, which went on to create the first CG animated feature with Toy Story. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Light_and
No climatologists? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:No climatologists? (Score:1)
Good (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Good (Score:1, Interesting)
MOD PARENT UP (Score:1)
Re:Good (Score:3, Interesting)
What's your basis for this claim?
Re:Good (Score:1)
Carter, for instance, got an award for the negotigations with North Korea and almost immediately afterwards they pushed strongly forward on their Nuclear Weapons development, reneging on those negotigations.
It's a highly politicized award at this point in time. And the irony is that the founder, Nobel, was a munitions maker himself.
Re:Good (Score:2)
Also, yes, Nobel was a munitions maker -- and the whole reason he founded the prize was because he was so horrified at what modern warfare had become that he wanted to put
Re:Good (Score:2)
Cool! My boss picked up one of those medals. (Score:1)
Finer grained filtering (Score:1, Insightful)
-1 Offtopic. except that Bush trolling
Re:Finer grained filtering (Score:1)
National TV coverage (Score:3, Funny)
Viewers were momentarily startled by the appearance of flying pigs in the background, apparently rising out of a hole in the ground leading up from a frozen hell.
Re:National TV coverage (Score:2)
what? (Score:5, Funny)
Typo (Score:3, Funny)
I believe that's a typo - should read "insight into the intelligent design of the solar system."
Re:Typo (Score:2)
The greatest man in the world (Score:1)
That's so... (Score:2)
Hmmm, sounds weird... (Score:1)
revolutionized organ transplants, led to development of global positioning systems, and helped feed millions around the world
That's something!
Getting a Science Award From Bush (Score:1)
Congrats, Norman Borlaug... (Score:5, Interesting)
Norman E. Borlaug is my hero, and he should be yours, too. [wikipedia.org]
There was a great episode of Penn & Teller: Bullshit! that covered Dr. Borlaug's work. I highly recommend it for a watch [sho.com], if you have the chance.
From Wikiquote [wikiquote.org], a quote by Penn Jillette about Norman Borlaug:
Re:Is it April 1 already?? (Score:3, Insightful)
No doubt. Please also post later tomorrow so you can link to an article showing how those scientists have refused the awards and recognition, etc.
Skipping to tomorrow: <crickets chirping>
Re:Hrmmm? (Score:4, Funny)
If a Democrat had presented the awards, it would just have gone to show that Democrats are all elitist university-educated intellectuals who think they know better than the rest of us. So their career in politics would be over.
If a non-neocon Republican had presented the awards, they would have had to resign to spend more time with their families like all of the other non-neocons. So their career in politics would be over too.
If a political independent had presented the awards, nobody would care and the ability of the scientists to get adequate funding would be as low as ever. And the political independent's career in politics would already be over, by definition.
But because Bush presented the awards, there are more than the normal amount of headlines due to the irony of the awards being presented by an anti-science imbecile--and that's actually good for the scientists' ability to get adequate funding. And Bush's career in politics might be over due to the sweet merciful relief of the 22nd Amendment, should the Constitution still be around for two more years.
So, you know, look at the bright side.
Re:Baer should be knighted (Score:3, Interesting)
Laugh all you want but the idea of bringing technology to the masses sometimes makes all the difference. Look at Carl Sagan, the man didn't do much for the progress of science but rather the promotion of science. How many kids do you think were spurred on by Mister Wizard?
The video game may not be meaningful in the long run but it did bring the potential use of technology to the masses and I'll bet a lot of people on Slashdot, in part, owe something to this
Re:besides the controversies (Score:2, Insightful)
The main problem with the Bush II administration and science is that it has been cherry-picking scientific results to suit its political agendas. They seem to be a bunch of people hell-bent on denying reality even as it is staring them in the face. The true pillar, the true foundation stone of science is the search for truth by observation of the universe. Denying that makes them more anti-science than anything. They're just like a bunch of dishonest scientists who fake experimental data just so they can
Re:besides the controversies (Score:1)