Remains of First African Slaves Found 392
An anonymous reader writes to tell us LiveScience is reporting that Archaeologists may have found the oldest remains of slaves brought from Africa to the New World. From the article: "The African origin of the slaves was determined by studying a chemical in their tooth enamel that reveals plant and rock types of their native land. The chemical enters the body through the food chain as nutrients pass from bedrock through soil and water to plants and animals. It is an indelible signature of birthplace, the researchers said, because it can be directly linked to the bedrock of specific locales."
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It was the first (Score:5, Funny)
So they know they were African... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Almost. That figure might be true once the slave trade boomed, but at first most Africans imported to the Americas were indentured servants.
link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery#Slavery_in_N
to quote the article: The first imported Africans were brought as indentured servants, not slaves. They were required, as white indentured servants were, to serve seven years.
It is possible/relatively likely that these skeletons they examined were not slaves, but skip ahead 100 years, and that percentage shrinks to (almost) zero.
Re:So they know they were African... (Score:2, Informative)
Sympathy for the white devil (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:So they know they were African... (Score:5, Interesting)
Cribbing liberally from "bonecrusher's" post on this topic at metafilter [metafilter.com], According to many economists, slave-owning is an example of "rent" [edcnews.se] "a market distortion that reduces the overall productive capacity of the economy. A functioning labor market should do a better job of directing labor to where it is most productive than guys with whips and dogs." (previous text in quotes is by bonecrusher, who explained it much more concisely than I could).
Basically, when you have oligarchs or slave-owners running things, you may end up with a situation which is better for them, personally, but it hurts the economy overall. In the slave-owning scenario, it hurts the slaves most of all (duh!), but it also wrecks things for what would be the middle class, if the oligarchs weren't hogging everything for themselves. So a few people are better off, but the vast majority are either totally fscked, or partially fscked. So, slave owners totally ruined the South's economy and made it unable to grow well.
Whether or not the US profited by exploiting other people and countries is beyond the scope of this post, which is just about how retarded slavery is from an economic standpoint (to say *nothing* of how retarded it is from a moral, social, or ethical standpoint!).
The problem with the third world generally (Score:5, Insightful)
So why is the American (and British) system currently so geared to benefiting oligarchs and making things using cheap labor? Why are our education systems increasingly failing? Is it because our leaders are becoming like the backwards oligarchs of the South, interested solely in lining their own pockets to the detriment of our long term prospects?
What makes this especially interesting is the rise in prominence of people like McKain in the US and now Cameron in the UK, who are emphasising traditional middle class values against the corporatism of the respective governments. Time for an educated middle class backlash, perhaps.
Re:not so, my friend, not so... (Score:4, Insightful)
The difficulty with this assertion is that human beings cannot be owned, and therefore cannot be property and therefore cannot be capital. This is true regardless of what the law says. The law can say pi is equal to three. But that does not make it so.
I will grant you that slaves can serve in the economic role of capital, just as 3 can serve in the mathematical role of pi. But economies (and circles) built on the basis of such falsehoods will be grossly distorted, and for much the same reaasons.
As Eddie Murphy says (Score:3, Funny)
Might I remind you that a person CAN be owned -- if they believe (or are forced to think) they are owned.
Reminds me of Eddie Murphy in one of his standup routines:
"I am sure the first slaves got off the boat and said, 'bail that hay?'. Fuck you masta. You bail the hay. And then about 20 MF's with whips showed up and the rest of the slaves said 'nevermind, we'l
Re:So they know they were African... (Score:3, Interesting)
White man says black man in strange place = "slave"
Um, is this the scientific reasoning?
I know. I know. It's a cheap shot at acadamia. However, I just *had* to say it because the irony of it amuses me. Trust me, I won't be the last to point this out!
Re:So they know they were African... (Score:4, Insightful)
Anyway, we're talking an African found in a graveyard in an area known to have been a centre of slaving, at a time when slaving was at a peak. He might not have been a slave, in the same way as the guy you find sat in your car fiddling with the ignition might be the superhero Captain Car-Rescue instead of a car thief. But don't bet on it...
Grab.
Re:So they know they were African... (Score:2)
But, yes, at the time they generally traveled the world as slaves.
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The influence of environment. (Score:3)
Didn't one of the Bantu empires make steel before the Europeans?
But yes, there's a lot of good stuff about the influence of environment on the society that arises there; check out Guns, Germs, and Steel if you haven't already.
"not long after Columbus..." (Score:2, Insightful)
100 years is "not long after"? Has the length of the year changed since then or what?
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The house I live in is 200 years old. The school I went to was over 400. And the pub at the end of our road is nearly 700 years old.
Why do you think a lifetime is a long time? Most mature cultures go back thousands of years. Incidentally, though many people would quote the Mansfield ruling of 1779 as marking a legal end of slavery in England, this actually marked a legal rejection of the condition of slavery, a statement that foreigners could not expect to enforce this state in England.
If you are considering when slavery ceased to be an accepted part of life in the countries which later became the UK, this would have been in the early Middle Ages, around 1100 (not long after the Romans left and the Danes settled, around 800. The Vikings would have been the last group living in England who accepted slavery as a normal condition. Habeas Corpus, though codified in the Magna Carta (1215), was part of the common law well before this date, and indicates that freedom is the presumed state for any individual who has not been found guilty of a crime. While slavery was formally abolished in the US around 1865, the acceptance of slavery seems to have persisted in the southern states until around 1960.
Individual English and European businessmen were still free to run enterprises in other countries where the slave laws were different. But the reason why the US is considered so culpable on this question is that it maintained a hypocritical stance of freedom from commercial taxes but slavery for people, which the rest of the Anglo-Saxon community had rejected about 800 years earlier.
Re:"not long after Columbus..." (Score:3, Interesting)
Not all of us do, but think of your example. The vast majority of Americans live in houses or apartments that are 50 years old or less. The vast majority of Universities in the United States are 150 years old or less. The vast majority of towns and cities are less than 200 years old. You'd be hard pressed
Re:"not long after Columbus..." (Score:3, Funny)
- Erin
My, but you're disingenuous. (Score:5, Insightful)
In intelligible form? Sorry, but no European culture goes back "thousands of years". If you go back two thousand, you're at the dawn of Christianity, which bore only a passing resemblance to today's versions. The Romans had switched over to imperial rule. While I can understand how Western culture takes a lot from Romans and Greeks, to imply that we're all part of the same culture is plainly bullshit--we don't do human sacrifice, giant statues of our gods in the town square, gladiator fights, Legions forbidden from coming home, or the divine right of kings. Or humping little boys.
You'd have as much luck fitting into Roman society as you would into a Bantu empire of the same period. Living in Europe may mean you live near some old buildings, but it doesn't mean you live in the same culture that built them.
If you are considering when slavery ceased to be an accepted part of life in the countries which later became the UK, this would have been in the early Middle Ages, around 1100 (not long after the Romans left and the Danes settled, around 800. The Vikings would have been the last group living in England who accepted slavery as a normal condition.
No, those are the dates when enslaving white people became unacceptable. The British were quite involved with African slavery from 1562 until 1803 [wikipedia.org], when they started discouraging it, and 1833 [wikipedia.org], when it was actually abolished by the Brits.
Habeas Corpus, though codified in the Magna Carta (1215), was part of the common law well before this date, and indicates that freedom is the presumed state for any individual who has not been found guilty of a crime. While slavery was formally abolished in the US around 1865, the acceptance of slavery seems to have persisted in the southern states until around 1960.
It's disingenuous for you to compare the time when Brits stopped enslaving fellow whites to the time when Americans ended legal discrimination against blacks.
And also, what persisted in the South until the Civil Rights era wasn't slavery so much as it was Jim Crow--segregation, much like the Apartheid that South Africa had until relatively recently. Racist, certainly--but comparing it to the end of whites-as-slaves in Viking culture? Give me a break.
Re:"not long after Columbus..." (Score:3, Funny)
Bloody Americans, always thinking that 100 years is a long time.
Re:"not long after Columbus..." (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah. Silly upstart nation that they are. On a totally unrelated note, I've got to make a trip up to Liverpool soon; it's about a hundred miles, which is a bloody long way...
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Or about 50 years after the Spanish started coming (Score:5, Interesting)
Now we know that the Cortes expedition had some African slaves in it. Here is a question on the subject, while research is done on the many aspects of European Slavery, how much research is done on inter-African slavery or Islamic slavery in regards to Africa? I know we hear a bunch about slavery in the United States, but how about the United Kingdom or French slavery?
Heck, what about trans-tribal slavery in the Americas? While working on a paper about the Cortes expedition there were references in many texts and documents about the Aztecs having slaves, but much more time and space devoted to the few slaves the expedition had with them.
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Did they? My understanding was that Hernán Cortés had the ruling family and other people with power tortured and/or killed. Of the general population, those who didn't die in the violence of the Spanish invasion were forced to flee and probably ended up mixing with other tribes.
And then there was the smallpox epidemic (and other diseases) that the Spanish brought from Europe and for which the native population had no defenses. In fact, Cuitláhuac died of smallpox and his nephew Cuauhtémoc then became the last Aztec emperor. The Spanish captured him, tortured him, kept him prisoner a few years and then hanged him.
But even though the Aztec population was significantly reduced and scattered, their descendants are still around. There's been just a bit of foreign immigration to Mexico the last 484 years, mostly from Spain. Want to guess why modern Mexicans look a bit different than Aztecs and other locals did? : ) And finally, their language (Náhuatl) is still spoken in several states in central Mexico.
Full disclosure: most of my ancestry comes from the Totonacs. This was one of many tribes enslaved by the Aztecs and all too glad to help the Spanish overthrow the evil overlords. Talk about the devil you know, huh?
Re:Or about 50 years after the Spanish started com (Score:4, Insightful)
All true, but the fact remains that the indigenous American civilizations went into a sharp (relatively speaking) decline 100-200 years before the Spanish got there. The area was significantly depopulated by Cortes' time; I believe there are several examples of cities whose population size wouldn't be matched again until early 19th century, being virtually deserted, long before any invaders looking for a "New World".
As far as I know, the reasons for this are still unknown - doesn't necessarily make it "mysterious", we just don't have the info.
Re:Or about 50 years after the Spanish started com (Score:2)
This is one of the reasons I like
Traditionally people have concentrated on the fact that a handfull of Spanish soldiers overpowered a native civilization of millions. Sure the Spanish were ruthlessly violent and were assisted by smallpox, horses, etc. I doubt it
Re:Or about 50 years after the Spanish started com (Score:2, Informative)
The Expedition did kill alot of nobles and military leaders, once in a, maybe, unprovoked attack on the Temple of the Moon during a High Holy day and then alot of others were killed during the following responses at the Palace of A
Aztec colonies (Score:4, Interesting)
This stuff is fascinating because like every ingorant Joe out there I thought stuff (good and bad) started happening on the North American continent mostly after the Europeans settled. And such things as colonies, slavery and celestial observations would not have existed here before.
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I have worked as an archaeologist in the Desert Southwest and southern Mexico for eight years and I am aware of no firm evidence whatsoever for Aztecs encroaching directly into the traditional lands of the Navajo. There is some evidence that people living at the site of Paquime [unesco.org] traded copper and exotic birds with groups from Mesoamerica, but these folks probably lived on or near the Pacific Coast, in what are now the states of Sinaloa and Nayarit. A chronology [lapahie.com] of Navajo settlement in the Southwest mentions the Aztec, but under a separate timeline. Finally, a curriculum [k12.ut.us] guide from a comparative civilizations class designed to be taught in Navajo schools makes no mention of these alleged Aztec slavers.
From all I have read (and I apologize for not having time to re-create the bibliography here), there were forms of slavery among many Native American groups in North America, including the Aztecs. However, slavery, as conceived by Native Americans, was very different from that imposed by Europeans. Most of the time, war captives were involved. In some cases, as was observed among the 18th century Creek of present-day Georgia, slaves ended up being treated more as outcasts than outright slaves. Some were even adopted into the families of the men who captured them. A similar observation was made regarding indigenous Afreican slavery.
As for celestial observation towers, etc., yes, they were everywhere, among many cultures. But again turning to archaeological evidence, it seems that most were developed indepently by different groups for different purposes.
While there is nothing wrong with being impressed by the accomplishments of Native Americans prior to European colonization for their own sake, don't make the mistake of superimposing models of European civilizational development on these societies. Prehistoric native groups in North America followed very different paths and we owe it to their descendents to appreciate their history on its own terms. We sell everyone short if we have to impose false parallels with European history in order to be impressed.
Re:Or about 50 years after the Spanish started com (Score:2)
Perhaps, first North American African Slavery? Until 1776, of course, slavery in the Colonies was United Kingdom slavery anyway.
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http://africanhistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa
Just about everyone was guilty when it came to the slave trade. Jews, Christians, Muslims, and most everyone in between.
That's just the (unfortunate) way things were
Re:Or about 50 years after the Spanish started com (Score:2, Informative)
When it's American History slavery gets alot of attention, when it's the Middle East it's brushed aside.
And, slavery is called for in the Bible and Koran
Sura 2 Verse 178
2.178: O you who believe! retaliation is prescribed
Maafa - The American Holocaust (Score:3, Insightful)
Stalin? The Nazis and Khmer Rouge? Small potatoes to these horrors, which continued for almost two-hundred years. The Arab and interneccine slavery of Africans was unjust - but seldom so relentlessly brutal, with human beings reduced to a level of treatment beneath that of animals.
I don't think so. (Score:5, Informative)
Check out http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm [erols.com].
While I agree that the slave trade was bad, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao far outstrip it.
That page is kinda freaky.
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Re:I don't think so. (Score:3)
You do know that Lincoln founded the Republican Party don't you?
Re:I don't think so. (Score:3, Interesting)
Yeah, that's a great rule. "There shall be no displays or placards protesting the policies of the current administration within the House Chamber."
Nazis I tell you ... Nazis!
Lincoln was a Republican, Idiot (Score:3, Insightful)
Strom Thurmond the Democrat (Score:3)
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What's one event? (Score:2)
And I'd be really interested to hear about some treatment of slaves that was actually beneath how farm animals were treated. I have a hard time imagining what that could possibly be.
Re:Stalin, The Nazis ...Small potatoes ??? (Score:3, Insightful)
Look into teh English Civil war, and the Parliamentary terror of England that was birthed in the midlands. Mullah Omar should have had such a run.
These people were ejected for their inability to
Not... (Score:4, Interesting)
Unless, of course, you fill your water barrels at that location, and then everyone on board drinks from that 'unique' source for a given period of time, in which case you'd easily detect false-positives and mistakenly believe the entire crew was borne in one location.
Reminds me of when some researchers found WWII supply caches buried in the Sahara by Rommel's forces...the first thing they did was to release a study claiming they could better define modern pollution, as Rommel's water had been carefully sealed, buried and protected. That study I can buy...this one, on slave origins, I'm less inclined, sorry.
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I think that word "crew" is central to the issue. IIRC, slaves on boats weren't often given such luxuries as food and water that wasn't strictly necessary for survival. Of course, that may be more applicable to the later slave trading boats than the early ones.
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Good point. But how do we determine the history of such an individual in terms of migration, etc. Entity borne in region A later relocates to region B, where they are enslaved...now we are talking about two different locations: 1.) place of birth 2.) place of capture. Just because they were born in location 1 doesn't mean they were captured in region 1.
Perhaps cannibalism was a factor as well...
Slave from region B invites slave from region A to th
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The slave trade has always been blamed on Europeans and African slavetraders as well.
You rarely hear these days about Europeon and Africans involvement in the slave trade, it's always the US that was doing it. The fact is Black Africans did enslave other blacks and sold them to Europeons who transported them to America and sold them to rich la
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Interestingly, Black slavery in the Americas began at the suggestion of Las Casas [wikipedia.org], whose views were modern enough for him to be outraged at the practice of bringing "Indians" down from the Mexican highlands to suffer and die working in steamy sugar cane plantations, but not modern enough to reject the idea of slavery itself: he suggested bringing in Africans to do the work instead.
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It's very widely known that the UK had a lot to do with slavery, as did a number of other European nations. The fact that damns the US is that so many people kept slavery going for so much longer than the rest of the world.
The rich Americans were exactly the ones involved though. They were absolutely not unwittingly addicted to slavery, but were instead willing to buy and sell slaves because they made more money by not paying wages. A lot of wealth in the US was founded on slavery,
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The slaves were not good workers. They were dishonest and had to be watched constantly and didn't do good work. For the quality of workers, it was just not worth it. Washington started to realize that his slaves were a ball and chain. He couldn't keep them because it wasn't work
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He financed and/or managed slave expeditions and used some of the slaves to work on his own plantation in Belize. He produced molasses that was used to trade at African slave posts. He cornered all thr
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Yes, there was demand in the US. The demand was in the south, with the plantation agricultural system. There was much less demand in the north, or in Europe. The demand existed not because the caucasians of the US were particularly cruel, but
in America? (Score:5, Insightful)
I always assumed the first African Slaves were in Africa.
But, maybe that's because they were.
Market forces (Score:2, Interesting)
The idea of selling the Africans as slaves wasn't spontaneous. There were already African slave markets. A few scumbag Europeans bought slaves.
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I wonder.. (Score:5, Interesting)
That said, I wonder what the results of the same testing would show on individuals that reside in current industrialized first world nations. It occurs to me that a good portion of the food we eat is produced abroad.
I pity the anthropologists of tommorow.
They won't be digging us up. (Score:2)
cheerio
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They will have entirely new techniques available to them.
sitting on the story. (Score:3, Funny)
Wait a minute ... (Score:5, Interesting)
There is a gerat book called "Lies My Teacher Told Me" (I cannot remember the name of the author) that talks about certain documented facts that are never taught in history classes. One is that Columbus knew that there was a new world to the west. He had been to Iceland a few times, and there were still Norsemen in Greenland (who would visit Canada for timber, etc, and had had dealings with the "natives"). On top of this, Columbus had been to "the Gold Coast" of Africa (aka The Slave Coast aka The Ivory Coast) and had met the representatives of the king of Mauritania, if not the king himself, at the time probably the wealthiest man in the world. They had had a few colonies "a few days to the west" in a new land, but they had abandoned them year before, because the locals kept attacking them. So Columbus knew he was sailing to new lands, not India, because he had data from the Norse and the Mauritanians about western lands over the sea.
Fast forward a decade or three. The Aztecs were found to have carvings of men, some of the carvings having definite African facial features. (The book has pictures of these carvings, and yep, they do, whatever the politically correct police might say.) The Aztecs were also growing cotton that was the same type grown in Egypt. On top of this, when Spaniards first landed in South America, near what is now Venezuala, they were talking to a local chieftain and noticed a bunch of African-descended slaves being led through a coastal village. The Spaniards were surprised at this, and asked where the slaves had come from. The chieftain said that they had raided their village a few generations ago and had enslaved them.
So the first African slaves weren't brought here by the Spaniards. Hell, they may well have been brought here by other Africans (the Mauritanians).
Just putting in my $.05 (inflation, taxes, and all that).
Re:Wait a minute ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Interesting. But if America was only "a few days to the west" from West Africa, these Mauritanians must have had some really speedy
First in the New World, that is (Score:4, Insightful)
But they sure did get a boost in business when Europeans joined the trade!
I myself worked as a slave (Score:3, Interesting)
Particularly here in Georgia, the deep south and heart of the confederacy.
While Lincoln may have freed the slaves for private ownership, he didn't go far enough. Slavery is still legal by the state, in just every state, in the form of the use of prisoners.
I went to prison for 2 years in 2002 of a 12 year sentence on a crime I didn't commit. Basically someone made an accusation about me, and then hysteria and greed set in, and then the slander game began. It was a witchhunt and I was the witch. I estimate in the end they made about $120,000 off of me in billing the taxpayer; myself losing another $60,000 in lawyer fees and lost wages other damages. I don't know about you, but thats a whole hell of a lot of money in a recession. If I would of served the full 12 years, they would of probably made almost a half a million dollars off of me, billing you the taxpayer $35,000 a year. Let me tell you, I'm about the most harmless guy in the world, I don't bother anybody, and I don't break any laws. The justice system isn't about justice. Its all a scam and a slander game. Its about greed and profit.
For two years I was kept in the most heinous of conditions, and was forced to work for which I received no compensation.
I won my appeal by fighting back. Which was very hard to do, because I was mentally and physically exhausted, being kept in the most inhumane of conditions, lacking of nutrition, and my situation was grossly exacerbated because I was hypoglycemic and yet receiving no treatment whatsoever. A hypoglycemic, if not eating something every 2 hours, suffers and appauling roster of symptoms, the most painful and difficult being being confused all the time, unable to concentrate, unable to focus.
So for those two years, basically, I was a slave.
Since I tested out with a slashdot level IQ and actually hit a bit of precious luck, I was put to work in the library, just like Andy in the movie Shawshank Redemption. For prison and someone smart, it was a good job because you had access to books in a way the general population didn't at all. Let me say it was luck I got this job, most people had nighmarish jobs. Laundry, caffeteria work, swinging a bush ax, etc.
Even though I worked in the library, I fought back. I wrote slogans throughout the books and anarchy symbols on the inside, slamming the system.
When nobody was looking, I wrote slogans from Animal Farm on the prison walls outside. Nobody understood them but me, since the average grade level in prison is about sixth grade (I tested out 13th, the highest the tests go). Prison is a big sensory deprivation chamber. The constant noise, the inhuman conditions, the constant stupidity, the poor food, it will wear your mind down. Prison doesn't do anything but make people stupid and vilent and insane.
Once some 'robocop' as I called him saw my slogans, and wrote them down on his little notepad. I'm sure he took them straight back to the warden. If I would of been caught, I would of surely been beaten to death out of site for defacing state property. I've been out a year now but still I chuckle, I wonder what they made of "Four legs good, two legs bad!". I'm not joking. For real.
I wrote some notes of what I would post to slashdot if I ever got out. I still have them somewhere, they are in a tired and exhausted script that looks a lot to me like chicken scratch now, I was so fading away then. It doesn't matter. My mind is full of things to say now. Totally.
One seredipitious thing did happen. Four doors down from my cell they put an RFDI engineer in. An old guy, in his 50's. I nicknamed him "Marconi".
You can check him out here (punch in 1141126 in the GDC field on the page and NEXT your way through):
http://www.dcor.state.ga.us/GDC/O [state.ga.us]
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I actually agree with you, partly. Although I am happy to see more science-related issues on Slashdot, comments like yours prove that clearly some nerds here are not intelligent enough to handle them.
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You watch (Score:2)
You think that's bad? What till this question of yours is marked to be the flamebait it is. The article is very important because now we know almost exactly how long slavery lasted in the New World. Your vocabulary implies to me why you do not care.
On a slow news day, I would prefer /. share such things with me instead of dupes.
Re:You watch (Score:2)
But anyways, I'm not sure how anyone could expect to use the phrase "dead niggers" and not get modded flamebait. Wait, it might apply to the GNAA, but that's the only situation I can think of.
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