Putting Star Wars to the MythBusters Test 386
DangerTenor writes "The cast of the show MythBusters chat about their pasts with ILM, talk about some Star Wars myths (Can you avoid freezing to death in a blizzard overnight by gutting a dead animal like a tauntaun and getting into its carcass?) and why R2-D2 is the perfect sidekick." Not as cool as our interview, but pretty neat.
That Tauntaun thing... (Score:5, Informative)
(Yeah, I am a Star Wars Geek.)
Re:That Tauntaun thing... (Score:2, Informative)
Star Wars geeks unite!
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Re:That Tauntaun thing... (Score:5, Funny)
You mean would be cruel to the animal. The intern, on the other hand, well, they're interns!
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They've elevated the others on the show this season. They used to be referred to as "the build team" or "Myth-terns", but they get billing as "MythBusters" the same as Adam and Jamie this season.
I don't think you're going to get Kari to crawl inside an animal carcas (she's a veggie). She could hardly stand it when they brought back a pig neck/spine with meat still on it to use inside a ballistics gel model.
The other thing is they seem to do is go out of their way to get animals t
Re:That Tauntaun thing... (Score:3, Insightful)
They do in Spain
A Fighting Chance (Score:3, Insightful)
Questions for you as a Spaniard:
Re:That Tauntaun thing... (Score:2)
Why Not? They killed a whole bunch of bees all in the name of science.
Re:That Tauntaun thing... (Score:2)
Personally I don't care much about bees, but they are cold blooded anyways and they are way too small to fit anything i
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Re:That Tauntaun thing... (Score:5, Funny)
That's why experienced hunters let the ARROW do the killing.
Re:That Tauntaun thing... (Score:3, Interesting)
In Sweden, bow hunting is illegal as it constitutes animal cruelty and doing it could land you in jail.
Re:That Tauntaun thing... (Score:3, Insightful)
I grew up deer hunting with my dad. Any bad shot from a bow and arrow or a gun will cause you to need to track the animal. It's not the weapon per se, it's the shot, where you hit it, etc. A gut shot will most likely cause the animal to live for some time and enable it to run far from the site -- no matter what the weapon. A chest shot, the lungs or especially the heart, will usually drop it wit
Been done with Buffalo (Score:3, Interesting)
My understanding is that Buffalo were shot and gutted as emergency shelters in pioneering days, a bio lean-to, but maybe that's urban, uh no, non-urban myth. Further, that was to get out of the wind and rain, which see
Sounds like a social occasion (Score:2)
"Oh yes, we spent the evening in a most delightful tauntaun... The neighborhood was just beastly, though - I don't know how we survived."
I suppose the viability of the tauntaun-as-pita approach (smell not withstanding) would depend in large part on the [overall] specific heat of tauntaun innards. (I'm assuming here that the insulatory qualities of the fur would be pretty good.) The light sabre would be necessary to cauterize the incision, lest [even m
Re:Sounds like a social occasion (Score:2)
At best, maybe Han should have shaved off part of the hair so that Luke could get closer to the tauntaun's skin...
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I spent the night in a Tauntaun (Score:2, Funny)
Re:That Tauntaun thing... (Score:2, Funny)
"Uhh, Han, we're on Tatooine, and that's a Gungan"
"Exactly!"
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Re:That Tauntaun thing... how to test it (Score:5, Funny)
HYPOTHETICAL SATIRICAL SITUATION:
Lab Technician: "Hello, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, are you ready to participate in the test?"
Bush: "I dunno. Guess so."
Cheney: "Get on with it!"
Lab Tech: Yessss.... Allllrighty, then. Here are your implements, gentlemen..." (Hands each of the men a plastic serrated butterknife and a spork).
Bush: "What're these for? Is it lunchtime? I like lunchtime."
Lab Tech: "NOT exactly, although it COULD be. It depends. We'll see how it goes. Ok, gentlemen, in your hands are a plastic picnic knife and spork. Once I leave the room, we'll dial the temperature down to around 50 below, and you'll use your implements to cut open and prepare a large, hairy animal to use as an emergency sleeping bag. We'll open the doors in the morning. Good luck!" (dashes out of the room and slams a door).
Cheney: "Hey, FUCK YOU! What the hell's going on around here? This was supposed to be a meeting with lobbyists!"
Bush: "I'm ascared, Mr. Cheney. Somethin's not right around here..."
Cheney: "Oh, for God's sake, grow a spine already. HEY! LAB NERD! WHAT ARE YOU UP TO UP THERE??"
Lab Tech (in a glass enclosed observation deck): "Ah! You noticed me! Well, I'm preparing your sleeping bag."
Cheney: "What the hell are you babbling about?"
Lab Tech: "Look to your left, gentlemen, I'd like you to meet Mama Jones. She's a 1,000 pound polar bear who has been chased out of her environment by your energy policy. She hasn't been fed in several weeks and we've put her cubs in a room a few hundred yards from here. We took the liberty of spraying you with some of their scent, just to make things more interesting."
Bush: "Wait; you what?"
Cheney: "Bullshit! This is nuts. Open the door or I'm going to rip your nuts off and feed them to you!"
Lab Tech: "That's the spirit! Well, good luck, gentlemen. Ah, here's Mama Jones now."
Mama Jones: "ROOOOOAOR!"
Lab Tech (to fellow grad students): "Ok, I've got twenty to one that Cheney shoves Bush at the bear within the first five minutes, do i have any takers? Yes! Apu, for fifty! I can cover that...
The Real Myth (Score:5, Funny)
Talk like this, I do (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:The Real Myth (Score:5, Interesting)
In fact there are real human languages that have OSV order.
More info at ahref=http://www.akerbeltz.org/beagangaidhlig/gra
Re:The Real Myth (Score:5, Informative)
No, is not English VSO. Is English SVO [wikipedia.org]. Sound VSO languages retarded.
Re:The Real Myth (Score:4, Informative)
As somebody else mentioned already, some languages have the word ordering Yoda uses. Yoda is based on a blend of Japanese mystics, Samurai and martial-arts masters. Guess what word order is used in Japanese.
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Deathstar (Score:5, Funny)
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The first Death Star held 27,048 officers, 774,576 crew including troopers, pilots and crewers, 400,000 support workers and over 25,000 Imperial stormtroopers. It also carried assault shuttles, Skipray Blastboats, strike cruisers, drop ships, land vehicles, and support ships as well as 7,200 TIE fighters.
As one can see, it's heavily armed. Imagine a botnet of Death Star zombies!
For surface protection it sported 2,000 Turbolaser batteries, 2,500 ion cannons and at lea
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I guess that's why Darth Vader had to send out the TIE fighters...
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I don't have a good reason. It just seems like that's what the Empire would use.
Water cores (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed, the pressure *would* be significant, and the water would either be in a solid or supercritical liquid phase - it'd be pretty unlikely that you'd find it possible to drive a submarine through it in either case, though, even if the submarine itself would be constructed to withstand the pressure and temperature at the core.
Of course, IANAP, though, so YMMV.
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Water Phase Diagram (Score:5, Informative)
Note regions VIII-XI. With enough pressure yes, water will solidify. HOWEVER there is a temperature point at which the water will no longer solidify (not shown on this scale although you can see the "liquid dome" is increasing as temperature increases. Eventually if you go far enough to the right there is a point where only vapor exists, regardless of pressure.
So while GP is correct that pressure will solidify water there is also extreme temperature that will counteract the pressure. One must wonder why water cores don't exist in real life...
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Awesome! At my next party, I'm going to have forged ice cubes! And I'll put 'em in the grill and fry steaks with them!
One must wonder why water cores don't exist in real life...
Oh but they do [overclock.net]!
Re:Water Phase Diagram (Score:3, Informative)
Well, perhaps the answer lies in how the planets formed to begin with. If it started off as mostly rocks and gaseous vapor (including water vapor) collecting together, the denser materials would collect towards the center of mass -- assuming the objects were collectively spinning with enough speed to create a force to draw the pieces together into a sphere/larger rock. Also, the water would remain a vapor until the solid rock nearby was cool
Re:Water Phase Diagram (Score:2)
Well, perhaps the answer lies in how the planets formed to begin with.
At least one star system in the Star Wars universe (Corellia - Han Solo's home system) was constructed artificially in the long-forgotten past. While Corellia involved relocating planets from other star systems, it seems reasonable to assume planet construction may also have been an option, and given Naboo seems to be a tranquil paradise it may well have been constructed fo
Re:Water cores (Score:3, Interesting)
Its like how some people might call the deep water trenches in the Pacific the "planet core" to emphasis how deep they are.
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Re:Water cores (Score:5, Interesting)
There are twelve known physical types of ice [lsbu.ac.uk]. Look at the phase diagram carefully. Even at 10,000 gigapascals there are forms of ice. Most of these types are denser than water. What we typically think of as "water ice" is specifically called Ice-1 (there are two subtypes, cubic and hexagonal). Ice-2 through Ice-10 are all denser than water, with Ice-10 being 2.5 times as dense. That's some heavy ice. Ice-11 is less dense than water, but Ice-12 is again denser.
Our observations of water here on earth are not really representative of all the forms of H2O in nature. On the contrary, a big part of the reason why life is able to exist on this planet is that we are almost exactly at the triple point of water. By the weak anthropic principle, we only observe those forms of water that are conducive to the existence of life.
Re:Water cores (Score:3, Informative)
Just stay away from me with that Ice 9 [wikipedia.org], alright?
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Man is my inner SW geek coming out in this topic...
Animal Guts (Score:2, Insightful)
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Of course you could always try washing it...
Re:Animal Guts (Score:3, Interesting)
The deer guts manages to find itself into various areas that is near impossible to wash without taking the car apart. In my case, because I had to drive my car home, enough of the deer stuff got in the ventilation system.
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REMOVE Animal Guts (Score:3, Informative)
If you really a fun portrayal of this sort of thing, watch the evade-the-British-captors scene in the 1995 version of Rob Roy [imdb.com], starring Liam Neeson. That's a great movie, even without light sabers. Ye Old Ferrous Cutlery does just
The only good wars... (Score:5, Funny)
A 50 footer? (Score:5, Informative)
Huh? Jamie Pierre just broke the skiing cliff-drop record [localnews8.com] with a 245-footer in Grand Targhee. I haven't seen the video yet, but supposedly he didn't even land it cleanly. (The New Zealander who previously held the record hit a 225-footer into slush, landing on his back with a backpack full of foam.)
C'mon, a 50-footer won't even get you into a movie nowadays unless you throw at least a 720...
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Yeah. Anybody who's flipped through a volume of Accidents in North American Mountaineering could tell you that people have survived MUCH longer falls than 50 feet, and people have survived long falls (80+ feet) onto solid rock as well. It is highly dependent on your orientation when you land. You probably aren't going to get up and walk away from something like that, but survivable? Absolutely.
Re:A 50 footer? (Score:3, Interesting)
The moral of the story is, if you're going to fall, try to have a few drinks in you first.
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Re:A 50 footer? (Score:3, Informative)
In the process of googling it...I came across this [theforce.net] site that has WAAAY too much information on those sorts of vehicle specs. It is actually quite a fascinating read since they don't just give the height....they give about 10 in-depth bullet points of movie and merchandise analysis to scientifically try to determine the actual height.
And that's just the height....they try to figure out dimensions f
My favorite ... (Score:3, Insightful)
"It's plausible, depending on the exact conditions," Imahara explains. "You could survive, but you'd be pretty badly hurt. Let's just say you probably wouldn't be jumping up on a tauntaun and riding to the next outpost, if you know what I mean."
*cough*cough*
It is easy to drop 50 feet and be fine... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:My favorite ... (Score:2, Interesting)
He did it again from the fifth floor. 3 stories is what, 40 feet? He was fine, physically anyway.
I must be weird (Score:2, Interesting)
I must be weird. I just watch the movies and don't talk about them much if at all. Tech and stuff in Star Wars is just too much of a stretch, what I'd refer to as fantasy, rather than Sci-Fi. Trying to explain stuff from Fantasy, down that path madness lies.
so, y'see, if greedo shot first, han wudda been blinded anyway, so...
The lightsaber myth... (Score:5, Interesting)
Even the most uninformed fan knows that it's not just the light, but it's plasma being shaped into a cylindrical shape approximately 1 meter in length (according to the Episode III novel) that gives the lightsaber its power. (Yes, and the Force, but let me just talk about the saber for the moment...)
One of the problem has to do with the state of the plasma, often called the fourth state of matter. It is by no means solid, and yet the fact that the lightsaber has a distinct shape when activated and the fact that two lightsabers can clash in a duel mean that there is a solid-like boundary to the blade that is inviolable. On the contrary, often we see the blade cutting through other objects and body parts with frightening ease. (Just ask Count Dooku.)
Which brings me to another issue: The power required to confine the plasma in a blade-like configuration (be it magnetic or otherwise) may well exceed the power to generate the blade in the first place. It seems almost redundant for a weapon of this type to be built, as the builder can control and direct the flow of plasma with a device no more than 30 centimeters in length. As someone else said regarding construction of Dyson Spheres, "If you can build it, you don't need it."
Re:The lightsaber myth... (Score:5, Funny)
Ah, but of course! [howstuffworks.com]
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Clearly there is some kind of quantum coherence going on in the plasma that effectively makes each lightsaber a single giant fermion. Then the Pauli exclusion principle keeps any two lightsabers from occupying the same space. This is why the only thing (other than Chuck Norris) that a lightsaber can't cut through is another lightsaber.
Re:The lightsaber myth... (Score:3, Informative)
What about cortosis?
Re:Things to know about Chuck Norris: (Score:3, Funny)
Re:The lightsaber myth... (Score:5, Informative)
I have a device that is very much like a light saber that uses no power at all. It consists of a thermal electron plasma which is contained by a matrix of positively charged ions. I can't get it to glow like a "light saber" unless I supply a lot of energy to it, but doing so weakens the ion matrix to the point where it might fail to stand up use.
Electrostatic repulsion and the strength of the ion matrix prevent it from penetrating another saber of similar design, but the same electrostatic repulsion, when focused to specific parts of the blade, is quite adept at slicing through flesh.
There is a picture of a saber of the type I describe right here. [medievaltimes.com]
Death Star? (Score:2, Funny)
Imagine, a Beowulf Cluster of Death Stars.
Don't read if you love Star Wars (Score:5, Interesting)
nice try, but faulty. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:nice try, but faulty. (Score:5, Funny)
I find your lack of faith disturbing...
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Much is also made in the movies about the Jedi's ability to detect such subtle nuances of mood and body language that they can tell when someone is lying. So why is it that they can't see when a supposedly non-Jedi senator is very obviously and transparently plotting to take over the Republic and wipe out an entire culture using his Sith powers? It seems to me that if the Jedi re
While we are on the subject (Score:2)
http://www.mos.org/doc/1857 [mos.org]
Real myth needs busting (Score:5, Funny)
(Personally I suspect some post-Imperial propagandist doctored the data).
Re:Real myth needs busting (Score:2)
Yes.
Fifty foot fall (Score:3, Informative)
Dad says the fellow fell 2000 feet (divide by three for meters), landed in a muddy, plowed field, and didn't break a single bone! He was in the hospital for his bruises for only 2 days (this was in 1951).
OTOH my Grandfather worked for Purina, and went four floors down an elevator shaft onto a concrete bottom (roughly fifty feet) in 1959. He lived, but he would have beeen better off if he'd died; he was a complete cripple and severely brain damaged, but he lived. But he didn't land in snow or a plowed, muddy field.
So yes, it's completely plausable to not only fall fifty feet into a snowdrift, but to get up and ride that funny looking horse.
-mcgrew
Does Leia prefer StormTroopers? (Score:3, Funny)
have you ever smelled the insides of a dead animal (Score:3, Funny)
Can you survive overnight in a blizzard by gutting a dead animal and getting into its carcass?
"It would have to be a pretty big animal, but have you ever smelled the insides of a dead animal?" Belleci asks. "I think I'd rather freeze to death."
Hmmm, yes I have. It smelled like chicken or fish, depending on whether i was smelling a dead chicken or a dead fish.
Boy, that was a tough one but I think we have that myth busted!
What about hyperspace (Score:3, Interesting)
Midichlorians. (Score:4, Interesting)
I nearly walked out on Episode I because of them. Reducing The Force to a symbiotic critter in your bloodstream is just plain wrong. I don't know what kind of crack Lucas was smoking when he came up with that concept. But I suspect it would do permanent brain damage, hence the quality of the Prequel Trilogy.
Lack of exposure to this substance would explain why Genndy Tartakovsky actually did a good job on the Clone Wars shorts.
Midichlorians. I hate those guys.
Re:Midichlorians and Anakin's conception (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't necessarily *like* it, but it does seem to be what they were insinuating.
Actually, if you want to survive a blizzard... (Score:3, Interesting)
An alternate technique, if the snow is deep enough, is to dig a circular pit around a tree, down to the base of the tree, and tie a tarp around the top of the hole to keep the wind out. The snowbank trick is better, though, especially because you can pile up your own snowbank, pack it, and tunnel into it.
This might take a while (Score:4, Insightful)
Can mobs of various primitive, semi-sentient beings repeatedly defeat large imperial armies (presumably with state of the art training and equipment), by throwing random objects at them?
Can ships exploding in space not only make a lot of noise, but also not annihilate other ships in close proximity?
Can you really cover the same distance in varying numbers of parallax seconds?
Can all religion be explained with symbiotic micro-organisms?
Re:This might take a while (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, if they're motivated enough. Look at how well it's working in Iraq...
Ok.. let's get serious now... (Score:5, Funny)
And if any of the discussion DOES involve that bikini for GOD sake please take pictures!
Yes, in the Winter of the deep snow, 1830.. (Score:3, Informative)
Light Sabre Jacuzzi (Score:5, Funny)
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Enough of this. Someone post some Kari Pictures (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Starwars and the crew (Score:5, Funny)
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Funny you can pull something out of your butt and label it "better" than something pulled out of someone else's butt. OK, then my take is that firing a laser beam through this special crystal causes a plasma, EM or gravitic reaction in the crystal that creates the energy field we see as the "blade". That works just fine, eh?
> And what about "midichloreans"??
Re:Starwars and the crew (Score:2)