Web Users Judge Sites in the Blink of an Eye 233
dogbolter writes "Nature.com is reporting on a study by Canadian researcher Gitte Lindgaard of Carleton University that visitors to a webpage can make up their minds about the quality of the page within just 50 milliseconds." From the article: "We all know that first impressions count, but this study shows that the brain can make flash judgments almost as fast as the eye can take in the information. The discovery came as a surprise to some experts. "My colleagues believed it would be impossible to really see anything in less than 500 milliseconds," says Gitte Lindgaard of Carleton University in Ottawa, who has published the research in the journal Behaviour and Information Technology. Instead they found that impressions were made in the first 50 milliseconds of viewing."
dupe (Score:5, Funny)
Re: dupe (Score:2, Interesting)
Re: dupe (Score:2, Interesting)
it was on Digg: Two days ago [digg.com].
Now, because I do not want to have tens of comments bashing digg, I just have to say that I still prefer slashdot because of the summaries (digg articles never have decent summaries) and the comments (digg comments are never insightful).
Re:dupe (Score:2)
yesterdays news (Score:4, Informative)
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I was going to RTFA (Score:5, Funny)
Kinda like slashdot editors... (Score:4, Funny)
In other news... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
Re:In other news... (Score:4, Insightful)
Shame on the plagiarist
funny- karma-- since it seems on point. (Score:2)
Note that being moderated Funny doesn't help your karma. You have to be smart, not just a smart-ass.
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
Coming up next: (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Coming up next: (Score:4, Funny)
For subscribers only
Re:Coming up next: (Score:2)
Yeah,
Slashback:Home Storage, Web Sites Judging and Home Storage Web Judging.
Slashback tonight brings some corrections, clarifications, and updates to previous Slashdot stories, including Home Network Data Storage Device, Users Judge sites in the blink of an eye, Storage networks for home devices and Web Users Judge Sites Instantly.
Once again a case for article moderation (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Once again a case for article moderation (Score:2)
anyone who criticises the editors should try to do their job for a week. i bet that would shut them up in 50 milliseconds
Re:Once again a case for article moderation (Score:2)
I edited a news website for six months, half that single handed, posted 80 stories a day on average. Had to weed out dupes and PR crap from the feed. I spellchecked everything, and of course didn't dupe (when I had some help, sometimes we did, but I pulled them within minutes).
So I feel qualified to say the Slashdot editors are lazy, careless, arrogant and completely unprofession
Hmm (Score:4, Funny)
Hmm, well. (Score:3, Interesting)
If I can't tell what a site is about by looking at the way it presents itself, then its design is flawed and I simply don't want to be visiting it anyway.
Re:Hmm, well. (Score:5, Funny)
To appreciate the effect fully, go back to the original article and (if you have points left) moderate everything redundant.
Aah, the power of Slashdot...
If we can judge webpages this fast... (Score:3, Interesting)
If we can accurately judge a website in 50 milliseconds, can we also do so with people? Is there something to the snap decision that the group of black youths 20 meters ahead of me are probably trouble? How much should we suppress our natural instinct when it has been shown to be correct for webpages?
Re:If we can judge webpages this fast... (Score:2, Interesting)
It won't justify your racism.
Re:If we can judge webpages this fast... (Score:2)
For the most part, yes. Asshats and idiots are incredibly easy to spot with some experience - and if you're one of those people who'd rather spend your life trying to get something done than indulging the inadequacies of others, you'll develope a grade-A bullshit detector real fast.
Regardless of rather or not it's actually possible, it's a thing we do anyway, as a filtering mechanism - the odds of some blinged out homie
Re:If we can judge webpages this fast... (Score:2)
You can debate within yourself the root of your nervousness but Im going to say most often its lack of knowledge rather than knowledge.
Oh, deja-vu ! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Oh, deja-vu ! (Score:3, Funny)
Posted Yesterday by Zonk (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Posted Yesterday by Zonk (Score:4, Funny)
the only one I found was:
"as a funny offtopic info. [slashdot.org] apparently playboy mirrors files for eclipse, apache, freebsd, and some other stuff! coolness. I fuond this out in some other article clicking around. look"
The funny thing is that the poster specified his comment was "Funny" and "Offtopic"... and it got modified as +5 Informative haha
Slashdot isn't a game you can "win." (Score:2)
Which is why I don't filter out flamebait.
Re:Slashdot isn't a game you can "win." (Score:2)
Every story has:
first post
GNAA claims victory over....
(some on-topic groupthink
insightful comments
insightful and funny trolls that are yet to be moderated
paper (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm just reading the paper myself. More interestingly than judgements being made on gut reaction, it discusses the characteristics of attractive websites. It appears that complexity (as long as it isn't confusing) has no effect on how attractive websites are rated.
Interestingly, the experiments participants agreed strongly with each other, but there was less agreement between them as a group, and a separate group of "experts".
Perhaps the moral of the story is: don't bother with usability analysis - get
Question (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Question (Score:5, Funny)
Yes but don't worry, it'll be posted again soon
Re:Question (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Question (Score:4, Insightful)
It's not the submitter's fault, rather the editors who post the story submissions.
Re:Question (Score:2, Insightful)
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Imagine using the site search to find out in 2 seconds without having to remember. Imagine using the spellcheck that's built in to the system. Imagine verifying that links work. Imagine that you set up a cache so people can see the story.... Imagine you just pick six stories at random and go back to playing games.
Re:Question (Score:2)
Just because a story gets multiple submissions from people (as most do), and editors end up posting two of them from the queue instead of just one, doesn't mean the submitter of the duped post doesn't read Slashdot. It just means the editors aren't paying attention to what they're posting from the queue. The submitter probably sent his story before the other was posted.
Re:Question (Score:2)
It only took me 50 nano-seconds to think this shit up, but a little over 50 seconds to type it. I think I need a hand:
http://www.collectoybles.com.au/catalog/images/ter minator_sideshow_endo_arm.jpg [collectoybles.com.au]
DUPED YA!
Re:Question (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Question (Score:3, Insightful)
Most people are only here for the discussion these days, anyway, the article summaries are generally either poorly written, incorrect or confused.
Re:Question (Score:4, Funny)
That is very unfair. Some manage to be all three.
But, in reply the the GPP, the reason that people get worked up is that it serves as a demonstration that the editors don't appear to care. They don't read the site, and they don't even bother to read the "problems with the article" e-mails that people send in. It is possible that dupes are a deliberate ploy to generate page hits - after all who can be that consistents careless - but this would be even worse. Or it could be just plain incompetence.
None reflect well on the site.
Re:Question (Score:2)
In all seriousness, maybe Google's next big solution should be a way of finding commonality in Slashdot submissions so that editors can easily sort through them all and easily determine if anything similar has been accepted recently.
Re:Question (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't buy it.
There's a search function. Editors can use it too.
In the 2 hours between new articles, how tough would it have been to type 'judge 50 ms' into the search?
I understand they have to wade through a lot of submissions,
but a 10 second check a
Re:Question (Score:2)
Re:Question (Score:2)
That doesn't really answer the question, though. What is so frustrating about dupes? "I've read this before!!! What a gyp! This causes me physical paaaaaaaaaaaaaaain!!!"
I have a much simpler solution: Scroll past the dupe. Don't click on the comments button. Don't click reply. Don't click the D, U, P, E, or ! keys. Don't click submit. Don't embarrass yourself by being
Re:Question (Score:2)
Re:Question (Score:2)
Here are a few reasons that spring to mind. I don't think they warrant the responses that the duplicate stories get, however some people get fired up a whole lot easier than I do =)
Lots of people here pay for subscriptions [I don't, however]
If you're paying for a subscription, it removes the ads from a certain number of articles you read.
If you hit a dupe, and actually click on it, as anyone would have to in order to post, then you've paid twice to remove the ads from one story.
Number of Stories.
Vas
Don't forget (Score:2)
When it feels like you're having deja vu and you're questioning yourself if you've seen the story before: have you gone crazy? I swear I've seen that one before! Where is it? *Older Stories* Ugh, where is that story? I know you're here somewhere! How long ago would that have been posted? Maybe it was the first story the last time I checked . . . etc.
Answer Re:Question (Score:2)
That simple, really, and we can't understand why the powers that be wouldn't jump at this opportunity of making it better.
Re:Question (Score:2)
Let's face it, it does show gross neglect. How many of the group blogs that you know have a problem with duplicated effort? How many websites, period, with a group maintaining them do this? When's the last time you saw this on another news s
Re:Question (Score:5, Insightful)
1) There are people whose job it is to edit and approve submissions; these people are paid to do this. Some people find it annoying when people are apparently not doing a very good job of something.
2) Every dupe posted is a potential new and interesting article rejected.
3) Some people pay a subscription to the site; some of these people feel (rightly or wrongly) that as they're paying money, they have a right to expect a certain level of quality and profesionalism, and feel that the number and frequency of dupes does not meet this level.
4) It's primarily a technical problem, and the audience is tech-heavy; thus many of us can think of (and sometimes suggest) potential solutions, and it's frustrating that nothing seems to be being done about it
5) Many of us think (rightly or wrongly) that the major strength of the site is in the discussions that the articles generate - that is, in the comments that we post. Some people think (rightly or wrongly) that as they therefore provide most of the value of the site, they should have some kind of say in how it works, or at least have their concerns and complaints acknowledged.
6) As you note, there are many, many complaints about dupe articles, yet I have not seen any official reply to any of these. While it's entirely possible that I've just missed it, it does seem that our comments are falling on deaf ears. People don't like to feel ignored.
Now, there's no excuse for all the vitriol, but some people are really getting frustrated about things. Between the lack of any apparent action or even response about dupes (and **Beatles-Beatles posts, apparent moderation abuse, Roland P, etc), some people are over-reacting and lashing out. The rest of us, well, we just wish that something would be done about it, or at least that there would be a public announcement (or a even FAQ entry) stating the official position of the editors, and what (if anything) they intend to do about it.
Re:Question (Score:5, Informative)
4) It's primarily a technical problem, and the audience is tech-heavy; thus many of us can think of (and sometimes suggest) potential solutions, and it's frustrating that nothing seems to be being done about it
We can at least check what Taco has said [slashdot.org] when this has been brought up recently [slashdot.org]
6) As you note, there are many, many complaints about dupe articles, yet I have not seen any official reply to any of these. While it's entirely possible that I've just missed it, it does seem that our comments are falling on deaf ears. People don't like to feel ignored.
Feel better about #6 now? At least a little? I mean, I realize Rob may be completely off base, or even lying or something. But that is his official reply to your #4. And it's been the official reply for quite some time now [slashdot.org], actually, although I think the recent comment is more informative.
Am I the only one who read Taco's entire posting history the day of that "meta-story" about slashdot, where he actually got down and answered our questions for once?
Re:Question (Score:2)
In fact, I just typed the text from the single link in this article into the Slashdot search box. That is, the text "50 milliseconds." The first hit on this search was the previous story and the text was in the link text of that article.
It is just hard to swallow the claim that they actually give a damn when
Re:Question (Score:2)
Re:Question (Score:2)
Considering that you don't know how much they're paid, and considering you haven't personally tried to code a dup eliminator and thus have no idea how much it would cost, it seems a little ridiculous to say that it should be fixed since they are paid. Rob's real point is to challenge people to prove it is trivial by coding it. He's claiming it's not trivial. If you think it's that cheap to create, prove it. I'm speculating that there's a reason why you can't, though I haven't drawn a firm conclusion on
Re:Question (Score:2)
Feel better about #6 now? At least a little? I mean, I realize Rob may be completely off base, or even lying or something. But that is his official reply to your #4.
Not really, since Taco's reply is the same, and as lame as ever. The response is essentially "we don't care about dupes, if you do, fix it yourself". Many people could probbably fix it, but Slashdot is a commercial site, not a free community project. Why should I fix Taco's crappy system when he could pay someone to do it?
The entire problem i
Re:Question (Score:2)
Re:Question (Score:2)
Wow.. I must be blinking fast.. (Score:3, Funny)
It is proven! (Score:2, Funny)
Slasdot editors spend 50 miliseconds before approving stories. No wonder so many dupes...
On-topic comments here (Score:2)
Re:On-topic comments here (Score:2)
loading time (Score:2)
The 50ms cant be right how do they even measure such a response you do not click within 50ms.
Basicly I do not trust this research.
Free will is exercised unconsciously (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.edge.org/q2006/q06_5.html [edge.org]
ERIC R. KANDEL
Biochemist and University Professor, Columbia University; Recipient, The Nobel Prize, 2000; Author, Cellular Basis of Behavior
Free will is exercised unconsciously, without awareness
It is clear that consciousness is central to understanding human mental processes, and therefore is the holy grail of modern neuroscience. What is less clear is that much of our mental processes are unconscious and that these unconscious processes are as important as conscious mental processes for understanding the mind. Indeed most cognitive processes never reach consciousness.
As Sigmund Freud emphasized at the beginning of the 20th century most of our perceptual and cognitive processes are unconscious, except those that are in the immediate focus of our attention. Based on these insights Freud emphasized that unconscious mental processes guide much of human behavior.
Freud's idea was a natural extension of the notion of unconscious inference proposed in the 1860s by Hermann Helmholtz, the German physicist turned neural scientist. Helmholtz was the first to measure the conduction of electrical signals in nerves. He had expected it to be as the speed of light, fast as the conduction of electricity in copper cables, and found to his surprise that it was much slower, only about 90m sec. He then examined the reaction time, the time it takes a subject to respond to a consciously a perceived stimulus, and found that it was much, much slower than even the combined conduction times required for sensory and motor activities.
This caused Helmholz to argue that a great deal of brain processing occurred unconsciously prior to conscious perception of an object. Helmholtz went on to argue that much of what goes on in the brain is not represented in consciousness and that the perception of objects depends upon "unconscious inferences" made by the brain, based on thinking and reasoning without awareness. This view was not accepted by many brain scientists who believed that consciousness is necessary for making inferences. However, in the 1970s a number of experiments began to accumulate in favor of the idea that most cognitive processes that occur in the brain never enter consciousness.
Perhaps the most influential of these experiments were those carried out by Benjamin Libet in 1986. Libet used as his starting point a discovery made by the German neurologist Hans Kornhuber. Kornhuber asked volunteers to move their right index finger. He then measured this voluntary movement with a strain gauge while at the same time recording the electrical activity of the brain by means of an electrode on the skull. After hundreds of trials, Kornhuber found that, invariably, each movement was preceded by a little blip in the electrical record from the brain, a spark of free will! He called this potential in the brain the "readiness potential" and found that it occurred one second before the voluntary movement.
Libet followed up on Kornhuber's finding with an experiment in which he asked volunteers to lift a finger whenever they felt the urge to do so. He placed an electrode on a volunteer's skull and confirmed a readiness potential about one second before the person lifted his or her finger. He then compared the time it took for the person to will the movement with the time of the readiness potential.
Amazingly, Libet found that the readiness potential appeared not after, but 200 milliseconds before a person felt the urge to move his or her finger! Thus by merely
Re:Free will is exercised unconsciously (Score:4, Funny)
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--Rob
Comic Sans (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Comic Sans (Score:2)
I once had a course in which the papers where mandated to be Word 2000, written in comic sans 12.
I complained to the teacher, thinking it was the whim of an idiot in the correction staff, but obviously, as soon as I implied "who can be as stupid as to like comic sans?" I knew that it was the professor's personal order :)
Fortunately he found it funny that comic sans had caused such uproar (I wasn't the only one complaining).
Re:Comic Sans (Score:2)
Who the hell cares what font a webpage has been written in? It's not a Word document, you just check "Always Use My Fonts" in Firefox, and you never see it again. That's the first thing I do with any browser.
Re:Comic Sans (Score:2)
Actually, it's the first thing I do when I get a Word document too. Change it all to Georgia 12 pt, instead of bold Arial 14 or, yes, sometimes even Comic Sans.
Slashdot DupeBlock (Score:2)
The question is how does a program recognise a dupe? My first guess would be to verify the links in the story intro against a list of already posted ones. I would not go for read links as not that many people read the articles first.
Any other ideas?
Re:Slashdot DupeBlock (Score:2)
(beware of the space)
My guess is that if the word 'dupe' appears more than 10 times, you can fairly reliably mark it as a dupe. Maybe write a firefox slashdot 'dupe' counter that shows the number of times some (above -1) comment calls dupe.
Ah (Score:2)
So that would be why none of my websites seem to do very well. Sigh.
50 milliseconds of ignorance (Score:2)
You must read what is on the page to judge how good or bad it is, in my opinion.
This paged needed me 1.875 seconds to load. (Score:2, Funny)
Browser: "<html
me: "No. I don't like this page."
-1 offtopic *.* (Score:2)
depends on the user (Score:2)
For those who are actually looking for *content* as opposed to shiny things, well... thats different.
smash.
Seems logical enough (Score:2)
All this is simple enough to be a reflex, and I do hit Alt+Left very, very fast
How long does it take to load the page? (Score:2)
What browser are these guys using? (Score:2)
Explanation for dupes (Score:2)
Solution: Slashdot editors post a story a number of times to make sure it gets the attention it deserves.
Nature article has some interesting conclusions (Score:3, Informative)
1) Strictly limited graphics limited to a single eye-catching image.
"It's not about getting as much stuff on the page as possible," he says.
2) A "puritan" approach to web pages which get information across in the quickest, simplest way possible.
3)Make sure that your web pages load quickly.
popup (Score:2)
Re:What about... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:What about... (Score:2)
I have a better idea, how about the editors read their own site from time to time. I recognize duped articles immediately, and I only read the site about three times a day. It's not like there's a lot to go through, just a series of little article summaries with links.
I guess CmdrTaco is too busy writing seven paragraph essays about losing his nick in World of Warcraft. Anyone remember that beauty of a front page article a few months
Re:slash is lame-ass (Score:2)
I've been thinking the same.
Re:slash is lame-ass (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:slash is lame-ass (Score:2)
A lot of us value the fact that slashdot isn't preocupied with colors and looks, like gradient-whore digg.com whose interface is so flashy they forgot to make it work well
Let's stick with Slashdot's interface, so old and clunky that it's big news that it finally moved to...wait for it...HTML4 in the year 2005.
Slashdot isn't a news source, it's a news aggregator. It only has to keep up with the curve, it doesn't aim to be 100%
What do the editors read? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What do the editors read? (Score:2)
[tt]
Re:What do the editors read? (Score:2)
Duce (See Mussolini )
Tuce (A dozen in Bosnian)
Tace (Italian third-person singular indicative present of tacere)
Taco
or to use only english words.
Dupe
Dude
Dado (lower part of a wall or room)
Tado (a company specialising in small collectable toys)
Taco
Re:without cheating... (Score:2)
but I like your way better :-)
Re:50 milliseconds huh (Score:2, Informative)
Application received (Score:2)
You Sir must be editor material, expect to be contacted shortly
Re:In other news (Score:2)
It refers to a story that was duplicated five times (making a total of six entries) on slashdot.
But anyway, never mind that shit, the Baltimore Sun is reporting that a Canadian company, Delcan NET, will begin testing a technology that determines the flow of automobile traffic by monitoring cell phone traffic. The company promises a revolutionary way to determine backups, but privacy advocates fear the implications of a third party tracking users by their cell