US Draw Up Rules for Space Tourism 238
AsiNisiMasa writes "The BBC reports that the United States Federal Aviation Administration has drafted a report proposing some regulations regarding space tourism. Among the rules is a set of guidelines to prevent terrorists from gaining access to the space ships in order to use them as weapons. Many of the other regulations are similar to those regarding regular commercial flights, including safety advice precluding the flights. From the article: 'Space tourists should also be given pre-flight training to handle emergency situations such as a loss of cabin pressure or fire. However, the FAA has so far left any medical requirements in the hands of the tourist, who should decide themselves if they are fit to fly.' The final report will affect enterprises such as Sir Richard Branson's SpaceShipOne."
Easier to screen (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Easier to screen (Score:3, Funny)
So obviously they will be profiling Martians, and looking for Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulators!
Re:Easier to screen (Score:2)
PS, love your sig.
Re:Easier to screen (Score:2, Interesting)
1. Most of the mass of the space plane will be burned away just to reach its high altitude. And will most likely glide back to the Earth.
2. The space plane will, most likely, take off from some remote desert area (for now). The only way to reach any major landmarks would be to?... Turn on the rocket engine or take over the mothership.
3. I would expect that turning on the rocket engine at low alt
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Re:Easier to screen (Score:5, Insightful)
A story about space tourism, and how easy it's going to be to screen people to make sure we're "safe" getting an instant 5 Insightful is hillarious to me, sorry.
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We even had "socialists" (read: communists) parked out front of a building on campus (and the liberal arts side of campus at that) and most people thought they
Re:Easier to screen (Score:2)
Have muggings stopped now that we have ICBMs?
TFA says:
It has recommended security checks similar to those for airline passengers.
That makes sense I guess, and that is the whole story.
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Re:Considering the terrorists are usually.. (Score:2)
Osama bin Laden is worth about $250 million US. The seventeenth child of fifty, his family grew rich in construction work for the Saudi royal family. Osama bin Laden [september11news.com] But never as rich or as prized as even the most insignificant of Saudi princes.
Re:Considering the terrorists are usually.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Considering the terrorists are usually.. (Score:2)
On the contrary, thinking like a terrorist for a moment, hijacking one of these flights would be a splendid idea. Not to use the spacecraft as a weapon, but rather to be close to guaranteed that your hostages are rich, important people.
3000+ dead people is a statistic. Warren Buffet held hostage is a story.
What to do in an emergency! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What to do in an emergency! (Score:2)
Bad idea. If the cabin loses pressure, and you don't hold your breath, your lungs will empty through your throat and you lose consciousness pretty soon, but will revive if pressure is restored fast enough.
On the other hand, if you try to keep the air from escaping, it will force its way anyway, damaging your lungs and throat on the way out. Consequently, you will die, even if cabin pressure is restored.
This is the reason why you need training before going to space.
Oh, and in the even of fire, the best
Re:What to do in an emergency! (Score:5, Funny)
Good evening passengers, please take a look at our charming colleague Betty who will demonstrate emergency procedures for you...
In case of a crash, make sure you wear your swim-vest with integrated whistle, even though both are useless when we smash into the moon.
Thank you fo listening and enjoy your flight
Re:What to do in an emergency! (Score:2)
pre-clude verb [trans] prevent from happening; make impossible
Maybe they meant preceding the flights?
Re:What to do in an emergency! (Score:2)
Useless (Score:5, Insightful)
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Does that help clear up what other sovereign nations might consider to be motivation to do what Sam Says?
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Why not? The US is trying to appoint itsself the 'rules body' for everything else. Why should space be anything different?
Granted, since they might have the ability to start shooting down anything they decide might be hostile, it might be worthwhile at least le
Not entirely useless (Score:2)
You can always go above and beyond the rules and I fully expect some will. It may even become a point of sales. As far as the terrorist angle, remember for the m
Re:Not entirely useless (Score:2)
Except for The Lone Gunmen [mightyponygirl.com] (March 2001 -- actually targetting the WTC) or Tom Clancy [clancyfaq.com] (1994).
Re:Not entirely useless (Score:2)
But it's entirely irrelevant becuase the USA will not be doing the launching due to the lack of an operating launch vehicle. If a private US company does launches it is likely that they would launch from a site a bit closer to the equator than Florida. NASA is trapped into a bread and circuses "We're going to Mars but a later administration is paying for it" trick and has little money to meet its ISS obligations and ongoing missions
Re:Not entirely useless (Score:2)
For example:
"One more point. Glass glows yellow and melts at far lower temperatures than steel. Had their been such an inferno as the government describes, the outer glass windows of those floors would have melted and run down the sides of the building. The shards of glass at the openings where the aircraft penetrated are still sharp-edged, not glowing, and not melting."
Someone should tell these numbskulls that the temperature in the center of a fire can be hotter t
Re:Useless (Score:4, Funny)
These rules from the FAA provide exactly that.
Look around and note the up and coming providers for suborbital flight - there isn't but one serious contender outside of the US. The heavyweights are all in the US. The biggest single market is in the US.There's also big issues with technology transfer and export regulation, and non-profliferation... It's virtually a certainty that any sub orbital provider will develop in the US or the rest of the West. It's almost impossible for a US based company (or any company based in the West) to go to some third world nation for a launch.
Re:Useless (Score:2)
Sure. But the fact that they do their developement in the US doesn't mean they have to launch from US soil, does it? US-based companies doing business in china aren't prosecuted in the US for what they do in china. Even the US government does some work (torture for example) in other countries to get away f
Re:Useless (Score:2)
How about the Chinese and Indian governments? In comparison the "heavyweights" often don't have anything as effective as a manned V2 rocket. Even North Korea could do a better job - they scare the world because they have decent missile technology as well as some sort of nuclear research going on.
Re:Useless (Score:2)
I expect that this will mean there will be a fair number of launches from US territo
*what* other country? (Score:3, Insightful)
What other country? I'm serious... Virgin is launching from the US. Anything else is speculation and rumor and patently false. This topic recently came up on a mailing list I was on which included several space tourism contendors, and everyone drew a blank. There do not exist any good options. The US is doing this, get over it.
Re:*what* other country? (Score:2)
-everphilski-
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Your grasp of geography, or at least the facts, is as poor as mine..
But you'r spot on. As with flight, FAA is the States only. The JAA is global, so I guess it's their job to draw up world guidelines.
Man, thats a can of worms
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i wonder... (Score:2, Funny)
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Why should it affect Branson ? (Score:2, Insightful)
Richard Branson and his Virgin brand are English, why should he listen to US rules when they are only binding in USA ?, and since the US is now so broke that it has to depend on the Russians for the ISS [mosnews.com] how relevent are these rules when the future of space travel is probably with the Chinese or Russians or even Australia [gizmag.co.uk].
Re:Why should it affect Branson ? (Score:2)
Because he'll be launching from the USA, and chances are that his prospective customers (millionaires, but not billionaires - the billionaires would fly Soyuz) are disproportionately located in the USA.
Re:Why should it affect Branson ? (Score:2)
Branson intends to fly in the only place he can get his spacecraft - The US. (Which also happens to be where 90% of the market is.)
It's true the US has to depend on the Russians - but it's not because the US is broke. (And in reality, the Russians are also one failure away from a grounding - and their spa
Seriously... (Score:4, Insightful)
What kind of terrorist would this protect against? Dr Evil [google.com]?
Could the slashdot editors please refrain from mentioning teh terrorists in just about every piece of totally unrelated news. (I know, I know the BBC did it too, but I would much rather have news for nerds, or stuff that matters. Mentioning terrorism here is neither.)
Re:Seriously... (Score:2)
Well, unless there are some terrorists holding hostages at Apple and threatening to blow it up unless we turn over Torvalds.
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Re:Seriously... (Score:2)
I'd have modded you up had I points. Earthbound terrorists aren't particularly frightening or relavent unless you happen to be in one of the few places where it hapens more than once a year. A terrorist in space though, with fuel to nudge/drop some ceramic bowling-ball sized pellets into the right trajectory though... Acce
Re:Seriously... (Score:2)
But yes, it looks like nowadays, anything must have value in its contribution in the "war against terror". I mean, "Among the rules is a set of guidelines to prevent terrorists from gaining access to the space ships in order to use them as weapons"... WTF?
Hence, I propose we update Godwin's law: s/Nazis/terrorists/g
And according to this new rule, the submitter, the BBC and the FAA have all lost.
Re:Seriously... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Seriously... (Score:2)
Yup. Aside from a few airplanes in 2001, the building in Oklahoma in 1995, and the mostly failed WTC bombing in 1993 for less than 4,000 people have died from these things in over a decade.
Being that Americans kill each other at the rate of 10,000 to 20,000 a year http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm [disastercenter.com], it seems as though "terrorists" suck in compar
Learn how Slashdot works. (Score:2)
For example, it was the story submitter who goofed on the "Richard Branson's SpaceShipOne" bit - it should have been a reference to Virgin Galactic [virgingalactic.com].
And like another fellow said, the terrorism reference was in the linked article.
this one should be included in regular aviation (Score:2, Funny)
This could actually be more handy in a regular aviation situation. Being a tad scared of flying, I would love to know how big my chances are
Stewardess: You have a 95% chance of surviving this flight with our current maintenance record, please take your seat and have a nice flight, sir.
Re:this one should be included in regular aviation (Score:2, Insightful)
Has a plane crashed after a maintenance schedule? (Score:2, Insightful)
One thing comes to mind, has anyone ever heard of a plane crash, when it just got fixed for something? I see and hear of more planes crashing due to malfunction that was overlooked, or never worked on.
Now I would be beside myself if the flight attendant informed me that flight 666, has had 400 successful flights, and only 5k in repairs due to misc issues. But just yesterday we got a new engine!
The last flight I was on was grounded for an extra hour because on
Re: You have to ask yourself. (Score:5, Insightful)
However, that number is rarely mentioned in the news, but if Zarqawi sneezes the media is all over it. The media has seriously distorted people's sense of reality...
So, is it... (Score:2, Funny)
Re: You have to ask yourself. (Score:2)
I'll be one of the first to agree that the US stance on terrorism seems completely overboard, and that there's a disturbing amount of apparent (if not obvious) corruption and ulterior motives active in terrorism legislation.
That said, I don't think it's unfair to point out that if authorities comple
Rule No 1 (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Rule No 1 (Score:4, Interesting)
No kidding, just ask John Young on Apollo 16:
[In the following, John doesn't realize he still has a hot mike. Charlie is only faintly audible through John's mike and the following undoubtedly contains transcription errors.]
128:50:37 Young: I have the farts, again. I got them again, Charlie. I don't know what the hell gives them to me. Certainly not...I think it's acid stomach. I really do.
128:50:44 Duke: It probably is.
128:50:45 Young: (Laughing) I mean, I haven't eaten this much citrus fruit in 20 years! And I'll tell you one thing, in another 12 fucking days, I ain't never eating any more. And if they offer to sup(plement) me potassium with my breakfast, I'm going to throw up! (Pause) I like an occasional orange. Really do. (Laughs) But I'll be durned if I'm going to be buried in oranges.
From http://www.history.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/a16.debrief1. html [nasa.gov]
This way for the ride of a lifetime (Score:2)
Precluding the flights? (Score:3, Funny)
I knew space flight was dangerous, but . . . wow.
(Somebody's gotta take the karma hit for this, might as well be me.)
Re:Precluding the flights? (Score:2)
In the event of the cabin de-pressurising... (Score:2)
Thank Goodness For Government Regulations (Score:3, Insightful)
Misleading (Score:3, Informative)
See I told you so. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:See I told you so. (Score:3, Insightful)
Ah, yes - the Slashdot hivemind belief that if it's evil regulation it's the gubmint or some big corporation behind it. Sadly, in this instance that isn't so.
These rules are the result of years of work between the FAA and nascent suborbital tourism industry to provide a level and defined playing field right out of the gate. None of them want t
Re:See I told you so. (Score:2)
there actually IS a point to this (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:there actually IS a point to this (Score:2)
Re:there actually IS a point to this (Score:2)
Or are you an AC just stealing someone else's posts?
Just how far (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Just how far (Score:3, Interesting)
Well it doesn't end at the Antarctic [bigdeadplace.com] for one...
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Call in the British... (Score:2)
Why not just call in a British secret agent?
He can sneak into their launch facility with a power-boat-hang-glider-thingy, breach security with an explosive watch, disguise himself as one of the shuttle crew, and sneak aboard a space shuttle.
Once aboard the main space station he can take out the leaders in a heroic shoot-out, and use a space shuttle with lasers to destro
Remarkably able terrorists (Score:5, Insightful)
Looks like some people in Government think that Futurama is a documentary. That, or they have to be seen to be "doing something" to protect us, since the things that might actually achieve that - fixing the resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan, peace in Iraq and Chechnya, and solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict - don't seem to be happening.
Re:Remarkably able terrorists (Score:2)
I'm sure they're more worried about crshing the spaceship into military satellites, or other expensive prominent ones such as the Hubble telescope.
Star Wars as a Documentary (Score:2)
Re:Remarkably able terrorists (Score:2)
Rational people say "Of course not!" The NSA, CIA, FBI or what have you presumes that if the answer to "could" is "yes" (as in, a snowball's chance in hell, but yes), then it's their job to look at the possibility and address it.
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"regulation to prevent terrorists" (Score:4, Insightful)
They wanted to change the world and make us more like them.. welp, in may ways they did..
Re:"regulation to prevent terrorists" (Score:2)
Terrorists? (Score:5, Funny)
Remember... (Score:2)
Space tourism vapor (Score:2)
Ah! I feel SO safe flying without nail-scissors... (Score:2, Insightful)
One has to realize that all a lot of that bull is to make people FEEL BETTER... a trained man with a bone or wooden sharp point is more-or-less as lethal as one with a sharp metal edge, and a hell of a lot more effective than one with NAIL SCISSORS.
Unless there's a form of Martial Art
Next on Slashdot (Score:2, Funny)
not even close (Score:2)
Sorry, but the SpaceShipOne is no Enterprise.
Fairly innocuous (Score:2)
Loss of cabin pressure (Score:2)
Re:Oh what the (Score:2)
it isn't like you need customers OR your expensive equipment to make money!
Re:I wanna die in space! (Score:2)
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Re:I wanna die in space! (Score:2)
You did. Just now.
Re:I wanna die in space! (Score:2)
No, you typed it. He typed 'Who said pedantry was dead?'
Re:Old News... (Score:3, Funny)
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