Chemical Words List

An anonymous reader writes "Mark Nandor, a teacher of mathematics at The Wellington School, has recently posted a new chemical words page. For those who haven't seen this before, it is a list of English words that can be spelled using chemical symbols."

Singing Chemistry

[biocute]

If Mr Nandor joins force with this lecturer [slashdot.org], we will have karateoke in chemistry classes.

This might be spammers' wet dream, like Carbon Iodine Aluminium Iodine Sulfur or Vanadium Iodine Silver Radium.

Re:Singing Chemistry

[andy landy]

That sounds like a whole load of Arsenic Selenium to me!

(OK, so as a schoolkid, when presented with a periodic table made up of separate cards for each symbol, I just *had* to rearrange something, and of course the best my childish mind could come up with at the time was ArSe)

Re:Singing Chemistry

[andy landy]

Oh ArSe, hands up, I got that one wrong. Can we try again? Argon Selenium maybe?

Cool

[Anonymous Crowhead]

Can 50 lines of perl and word list get me a main page story too?

Re:Cool

[Anonymous Coward]

No dude. It can't be more than 10 lines.

Hell, DeCSS [slashdot.org] was only 7 lines.

Re:Cool

[lilmouse]

It also takes the sheer nerdiness of pulling this off.

I'm impressed, and I think scrabble is stupid! This is...well, at least i'm impressed :)

--LWM

Re:Cool

[name773]

furthermore, you're a genious. chemistry symbol scrabble would be pretty funny

Fluor, Uranium, Carbon, Potassium, ; Nobelium!

[mangu]

N/T, see title.

Re:Cool

[Bogtha]

You don't even need that many!

Descrambling CSS w/ 7 Lines Of Perl A DMCA Violation? [slashdot.org]
World's Shortest P2P App: 15 Lines [slashdot.org]
Perl Haiku Poetry Contest [slashdot.org]

Aluminium? Caesium?

[Luigi30]

What I want tou knouw... can Aluminium be spelled soulely with chemical symbouls?

Re:Aluminium? Caesium?

[damian cosmas]

Aluminium and Caesium are the correct IUPAC [iupac.org] spellings [qmul.ac.uk] of those elements for historical reasons.

Caesium [webelements.com] comes straight from the Latin caesius for the color sky blue, which is the most prominent line in the element's emission spectrum. Aluminium was so named because many elements at the time had -ium suffixes, and is the official spelling endorsed by the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry. The American Chemical Society, however, uses "Aluminum".

Re:Aluminium? Caesium?

[HermanAB]

The UK and USA are two countries divided by a common language...

Excellllllent!

[Ruff_ilb]

acacias? carnies? fireboats? lanners? samisens? tawer?

What a nonesevently cromulent enumeration!

Re:Excellllllent!

[boldtbanan]

I'd like to see something like this using actual stable molecules. This is hardly different than a list of words that can be spelled using a calculator, or a list of words that can be spelled using half the alphabet. Not much in the way of thought behind it.

Re:Excellllllent!

[Red Flayer]

Off the top of my head, some definitions of these (mostly) (relatively) common words:

Acacias -- pl., Acacia. N. A family of shrubs (trees?). Acacia gum is a pretty common ingredient in foodstuffs.

Carnies -- pl., Carny. N. A non-temporary worker at a carnival. Carnies have their own culture, some of which is not considered "healthy" by modern us moral standards.

Fireboats -- pl., Fireboat. N. A type of ship used extensively in the Colonial/Victorian era, often a converted civil vessel, used in s

Re:Excellllllent!

[Minwee]

It is not only cromulent, but it embiggens us all.

... ow?

[davecrusoe]

Go, little server, go! (Or more appropriately: Here come the hordes, prepare to be /.'ed!)

Re:... ow?

[Ruff_ilb]

If the server crashes, I've got an extremely weak mirror up here: http://www.baseballbros.com/words.htm [baseballbros.com]

Feel free to /. that too.

Re:... ow?

[Bananatree3]

Just so you know, this site is being hosted by the schools own server. wellington.org is on the IP address 205.182.87.5, which lies in an ip block owned by "the wellington school" [whois.sc]. I sure hope to god they have an up-to-date server they have in the school's backoffice, or it will be toast tomarrow!

Re:... ow?

[jacksonj04]

Here's the NYUD cache [nyud.net] for it.

Re:... ow?

[Bananatree3]

I can hear the server thanking its lucky stars that the direct link was to a static text-only page.

Bumper sticker

[Conspiracy_Of_Doves]

Anyone ever see the bumper sticker?

|C|Ho|C|O|La|Te|
Better Living Through Chemistry

Re:Bumper sticker

[Short Circuit]

My high school chem teacher had a bunch of chemistry-related bumper stickers above his whiteboard.

In particular, I recall "Old chemists never die, they just reach equilibrium", and "Honk if you passed P-Chem"

Never took P-chem...what, is it a particularly hard class?

Re:Bumper sticker

[Anonymous Coward]

Physical chem is notoriously the hardest course in undergraduate chemistry.

Any retirement-age republican chemists?

[Tired_Blood]

Ba Au-H20
:)

this is science?

[Bassman59]

The terror^H^H^H^H^H^H Intelligent Designers have won.

i don't believe in chemistry

[game kid]

that is just a theory, chemistry was created by atheist scientists

--no seriously, I like this list. My favorite words there, for some reason, are secessionisms and vivaciousnesses.

No explorer or firefox in the list, but there are firebirds, operas, and even links and porn. I tell you, it's chemists who make those browser thingies, not programmers! ;)

Nifty.

[millennial]

My friends and I did something like this in our college chem class. We came up with things like C3Po (or C3PO). Needless to say, acronyms can be a bit easier than actual words.

Re:Nifty.

[Red Flayer]

Here's a site with some amusing chemical structures [chemclub.com]:

A lot of lore that was passed down from thousands of chemistry teachers and chemists, conveniently indexed and illustrated for your convenience.

Like this? Try four fours problem too.

[dwheeler]

If you like this, you might also like my definitive four fours answer key [dwheeler.com]. The goal of the four fours problem is to find a mathematical expression for every integer from 0 to some maximum positive integer, using only common mathematical symbols and exactly four fours (no other digits are allowed). For example, zero is 44-44, one is 44/44, 2 is 4/4+4/4, 3 is (4+4+4)/4, and so on.

min number of words for all elements

[cinnamon colbert]

What is the minimum number of words to use all of the elements (I realize there is some debate above ~ #109)

Ooops! I feed the troll!

[Red Flayer]

You may think his sig sucks, but your comment sucks.

Besides the fact that you're a troll, paid subscribers can go to cinnamon colbert's user page and see all of his/her comments...

Just because you can't see that comment doesn't mean that others can't.

Re:Ooops! I feed the troll!

[Red Flayer]

Grow up.

First page?!

[dartarrow]

Is this really front page worthy? FTA: "If you use this page in your research, classroom, &c., please reference me!"

How many of us has a class in "pointless waste of time"?

Re:First page?!

[Anonymous Monkey]

Let's see...Case Mods, saying "HAN SHOT FIRST!", the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, "me to!", extremely high big prime numbers, short films animated with ASCI, making DOS games run under winXP and Linux, any computer that was once something not a computer (read toaster, fly, stuffed bear) and so on and so on and so on.

Yes, I think this is a waste of time, buy you know what, IM A GEEK, and I happen to think it's cool that some one would try this kind of thing. It's a brain work out, kinda Iron Chef, or

Re:First page?!

[djdavetrouble]

Many of us need little diversions like this to make something as boring (don't flame me, its just my opinion) as chemistry a little less boring. If the professor is having fun with his subject it makes it that much more engaging to the students. I am sure you had at least one teacher whose passion for his/her subject had dwidled to the point that seeking tenure and pension had become more of a focus than passionately teaching students, and in turn you probably found it harder to stay awake during said teac

Re:First page?!

[Trurl's Machine]

Many of us need little diversions like this to make something as boring (don't flame me, its just my opinion) as chemistry a little less boring. If the professor is having fun with his subject it makes it that much more engaging to the students.

The point is that you can have fun and still have a point. What we see here is an example of totally pointless diversion. You give your students no real knowledge this way. I always hated this kind of diversions, both as a student and as a teacher. When I was tea

Re:First page?!

[Jim_Callahan]

It would have a point as a basic computer science lesson, random assembly of syllables + searching a database of words, that pretty much covers the entirety of second semester CS if I recall correctly.

Re:First page?!

[osu-neko]

Is this really front page worthy?

New around here, are we?

It's one of the most front-page worthy stories currently on the front page.

He forgot...

[pkx]

...'pkx's real initials'

Potassium Chrloride, bitches!

F Ir S Pt Os Ti

[EmbeddedJanitor]

In chemicalese that is

ummm.... what?

[wickersty]

i've had diarrhea that made for better news than this.

huh

[c0dedude]

Alright, who'll be the first punk to post a bash script doing this...

Valid molecules?

[allanc]

I want to know how many of these words' constituent chemicals could actually combine into a valid molecule.

Re:Valid molecules?

[dextromulous]

42, check it yourself.

/me runs

Re:Valid molecules?

[TCQuad]

All of them.

They'd just be highly unstable.

Not So

[cagle_.25]

But close. Molecules like AlCl3 are frequently used as catalysts in certain organic reactions, and the entire class of organometallic compounds [ilpi.com] are exceptions to your rule.

But your overall point, that metals tend to be so electropositive that they form ionic bonds, is what I teach my 1st year chem students.

Re:Not So

[cagle_.25]

Ah. Well, that's approximately correct. Ionic compounds come in formula units, molecular compounds come in molecules. The type of compound is determined by the type of bond (ionic or covalent), and the type of bond is determined by the difference in electronegativity [standnes.no] (EN) between the bonding elements. Large differences cause ionic bonds because the electrons are pulled almost exclusively to the more electronegative atom; small differences cause covalent bonds because the electrons are mostly evenly shar

Re:Not So

[cagle_.25]

You won't go far with that attitude. In life, it is impossible to know whether or not you really know something. Science, for example, makes no pretentions about "truth"; it simply presents models concerning the best possible interpretations of the evidence. See here [the-rathouse.com] and here [wikipedia.org].

Phonic Frugalities

[digitaldc]

What pointless waste, pure foolishness of syntactic tabulations.

(Note: these are just words found and rearranged to form a sentence)

Re:Phonic Frugalities

[Chmarr]

Agreed. Perhaps I should make a list of all the words you can spell with LETTERS. Wow! How avant garde!

Re:Phonic Frugalities

[__aaxwdb6741]

I think that one could easily create a quick app that loads a wordlist into one array, and a list of chemical compounds into an other, run to check against one another, and dump the matches into a file.

other ways to combine letters.

[Cruciform]

Here's three that explain this post...

THC.

At least we know the dupe will be better.

Re:other ways to combine letters.

[Jim_Callahan]

For the record, there is not a T on the periodic table. There is, however, a Th, so ThC would work.

The wooden periodic table

[cyclone96]

Theodore Gray has put together a surprisingly interesting site [theodoregray.com] based on his wooden periodic table of the elements (that actually contains samples of the elements - except the ones that would kill the builder and maybe a few of the neighbors).

On the site he has a mathematica based app [theodoregray.com] (he works at Wolfram) which will take a string of characters and attempt to construct it from element sybols.

apologies, slightly off-topic...[but only a little

[tloh]

For the longest time, I've had a private gripe that I just can't seem to shake off. Many years ago, I took a chemistry class at Cornell during the summer that gave me my first taste of the collegiate experience. Some of the things I've learned I could do without (for example: Cornell has the hightest suicide rate among ivy leagues? I still think I was being toyed with). But one of the most enduring experiences that has stayed with me were some of the lab stuff we did when we got to the organic chemistry

Re:apologies, slightly off-topic...[but only a lit

[Werkhaus]

And so I ask my fellow slasdoters, how does one concisely characterize the experience of say, the multitude of different ways milk can spoil; the various acridness of old unwashed gym cloths; the powerful fetidness of well-used, unwashed trash containers? and be absolutely certain that one is getting one's point across? Is there a practical dictionary or directory for such things?


How about an aroma wheel? There's a nice round up of them here: http://www.eblong.com/zarf/flavorwheel.html [eblong.com]

OT: IT's a trade secret

[lilmouse]

That information is a trade secret. It's also been patented. You'll never see what goes into them unless you work for one of the big food companies.

Anytime you see either "natural flavours" or "artificial flavours" (or flavors, if you insist), it's a chemical that smells/tastes like whatever it is you're supposed to be smelling/tasting. (The difference between natural and artificial is that "natural" is from some living matter and sells better - the chemicals are identical) Go look in a supermarket and

Re:apologies, slightly off-topic...[but only a lit

[Short Circuit]

Easy...it's not the smell one is trying to communicate, it's the memory that goes with it.

"Jack's bathroom smelled like a freeway rest area." isn't intended to communicate that Jack's bathroom stank, it's supposed to communicate that if you went into Jack's bathroom, you felt you risked stepping in someone's crap. Or at least seeing some still floating around in the toilet.

The same goes with taste. You don't say, "The taste was a combination of 3 parts salty, twenty parts sweet, seven parts sour," you say,

Re:apologies, slightly off-topic...[but only a lit

[bmwm3nut]

well it's because there's really no way to quantify smell. you can talk about color even if you're color blind. all you do is define the wavelengh (or mixtures) and you can uniquely identify a color. likewise you can quanitfy sound even if you're deaf. middle C is 440 Hz (or is it A, i don't know i don't remember my music theory). how do you quantify a smell? the only thing that makes a smell unique (other than your subjective perception) is the molecule itself.

Re:apologies, slightly off-topic...[but only a lit

[magefile]

Cornell has the hightest suicide rate among ivy leagues? I still think I was being toyed with)

I think this is true, actually. Not sure who is #2, but I think MIT is #3.

I've worked it out

[Claire-plus-plus]

I was confused trying to find the news story in this, and now I have it! The news is not the word list itself. The news is that someone cares enough to post it on /.!

oh noes!

[adolfojp]

l33t sp34k for chemists? No wonder why Einstein has left the building!

One Line (Though a long one)

[jefu]

egrep -i "^((ac)|(ag)|(al)|(am)|(ar)|(as)|(at)|(au)|(b)|(ba )|(be)|(bh)|(bi)|(bk)|(br)|(c)|(ca)|(cd)|(ce)|(cf) |(cl)|(cm)|(co)|(cr)|(cs)|(cu)|(db)|(ds)|(dy)|(er) |(es)|(eu)|(f)|(fe)|(fm)|(fr)|(ga)|(gd)|(ge)|(h)|( he)|(hf)|(hg)|(ho)|(hs)|(i)|(in)|(ir)|(k)|(kr)|(la )|(li)|(lr)|(lu)|(md)|(mg)|(mn)|(mo)|(mt)|(n)|(na) |(nb)|(nd)|(ne)|(ni)|(no)|(np)|(o)|(os)|(p)|(pa)|( pb)|(pd)|(pm)|(po)|(pr)|(pt)|(pu)|(ra)|(rb)|(re)|( rf)|(rg)|(rh)|(rn)|(ru)|(s)|(sb)|(sc)|(se)|(sg)|(s i)|(sm)|(sn)|(sr)|(ta)|(tb)|(tc)|(te)|(th)|(ti)|(t l)|(tm)|(u)|(uub)|(uuh)|(uup)|(uuq)|(uut)|(v)|(w)| (xe)|(y)|(yb)|(zn)|(zr))+$" your-favorite-word-list

Though I'll admit I used a one line python program to construct the regular expression from a file listing the chemical element symbols.

Re:One Line (Though a long one)

[belmolis]

I ran this regular expression, using egrep, against the ENABLE wordlist. It took approximately ONE SECOND on a 1.6GHz P4 with 512MB RAM, not exactly a supercomputer. Mathematica is a great tool for some purposes, but not for this.

let's reproduce Belmolis's results.

[3-State Bit]

Here's a challenge, gentle readers!

From the article: [wellington.org]

As a last note, it took me about 2800 computing hours on three computers to come up with all of this (parsed among three computers), not to mention the hours it took to program everything correctly. (The words on their own only took about 25ish hours, including programming - the longest parts were running the 4x4, 5x5, and 6x6 word square searches.

Reader jefu [slashdot.org] has produced (but not yet disclosed) a one-liner that gives the correct word-list in one se [slashdot.org]

Re:let's reproduce Belmolis's results.

[belmolis]

My total time to find a list of the elements and create the regexp, which I actually did prior to reading OP's comment, plus finding and downloading a copy of the ENABLE list, was about ten minutes. For anyone with much experience using regular expressions constructing the regexp is pretty trivial. Even typing it all in manually while looking at a list of the elements can be done in a few minutes. So, sure, it isn't 25 hours vs. one second, but it is something like 25 hours vs. 10 minutes.

Re:One Line (Though a long one)

[belmolis]

I just compared my results, using egrep, with Nandor's. He failed to find two valid words "berg" and "urges", but found three non-words, "cryosurg ical", "urg es", and "v irgins". The correct count is therefore 26,811.

Re:The regex uses different symbols.

[belmolis]

Actually, I only used the proper symbols, that is, the ones for the first 111 elements, so my regexp differs from the OPs in excluding uub, uuh, uup, uuq, and uut. As it happens, the results are no different.

Re:One Line (Though a long one)

[popechunk]

Using Mathematica to find all of the English words made of element names: 2800 hours

Having some punk on /. do it with a UNIX one-liner: Priceless

Re:One Line (Though a long one)

[jefu]

I should say that I was doing this as a preprocessing step to solve the same problem that Nandor was working on, that of creating wordsquares with the chemical elements as the python program I wrote to solve the problem was taking too long.

Then, in part because I could not run it on some local machines at the university (which seemed to reboot every night), I rewrote it in Haskell to use a trie to hold the word list. The Haskell version (compiled, -O3) with three letter words and the preprocessed word

Is there a converter?

[antdude]

Is there a converter? Like input a paragraph, have the script convert, to the results with chemical symbols.

Obligatory

[xigxag]

SLaSHDyOTeDs.

Don't tell the NSA about this...

[zymurgy_cat]

You just *know* that someone will claim that people are sending coded messages (for WMDs, no doubt) through regular emails or phone conversations:

Analyst: "Sir! We just analyzed that last phone call from Mike in Idaho to his mother, the missionary feeding poor children in Afghanistan. If we use the new chemical-word-filter, he's clearly providing instructions on building some type of chemical weapon, one based on vinegar and what looks to be corn syrup...or maybe pecans."
NSA supervisor: "We can't afford another 9/11. Engage the standard rendition plan and have them relocated."
Analyst: But sir! Shouldn't we get a warrant or find some corroborating evidence?
Supervisor gives a glaring, angry look.
Analyst: Just kidding! ahahah...man, that gets you every time!
Supervisor: Good one! I guess the beer's on me tonight.

Patriotic music plays as supervisor slaps analyst on the shoulder and both freeze in place with big smiles.

Re:Don't tell the NSA about this...

[HardCase]

Ahem, that's Mike in southeastern Idaho.

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The list *is* self-documenting

[4thAce]

Fluorine
Uranium
Carbon
K (Potassium)
Uranium again
Phosphorus
Sulphur

A most unlikely compound, to be sure.

Re:The list *is* self-documenting

[malkavian]

Yeah, it's just a bunch of Arsenic Selenide (ArSe).

Can't spell "douchebag" ...

[Migraineman]

... but you *can* spell FrUIT FUCKEr. I don't expect to see either in his list, though.

At least they got the basics.

[Jerk City Troll]

Glad to see porn[o][os] in there!

Wildeblood's Empire

[radtea]

Brian Stableford used this idea in the novel Wildeblood's Empire in the '70's, which was part of the Daedalus series. These books are worth reading if you can find them--some of the best scientific puzzle stories ever produced, with extremely interesting speculations regarding alternative ecosystems.

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What an idiot

[sholden]

From the web page: "The words on their own only took about 25ish hours, including programming..."

One minute of "programming" and 0.1s of CPU time gets you a list of 26811 such words, reasonably close to the 26182 claimed on the web page, but since his list is a huge HTML table which wget tells me will take 60 hours to download I don't know if he's got one wrong word, or if I missed one, or if my ENABLE list is different than his, or if wikipedia contains garbage data...

Note: "programming" means creating a r

Re:What an idiot

[sholden]

I doubt you can (well not efficiently), which is why I quoted the time for just the word list generation.

Howdy, kids.

[nandorman]

'Sup, y'all?

Yes, it is a waste of time.

Yes, I'm sure there are better/faster ways to generate the list of words - the reason I used Mathematica is that I was finding the 2x2, 3x3, 4x4, 5x5, ..., 11x11 word squares and magic word squares. Just checking every matrix using all of the possible 7-symbol chemical words would mean that you're looking at evaluating 7685305573422409190000000 matrices to determine if each is a valid square - I don't think there's a one-line code that would work and take less time than a few billion universe-ages. Using Mathematica to set up some shortcuts in evaluating those is pretty easy, though. Since I was in Mathematica already, and knew I had some restrictions (like using only words with distinct chemical symbols), why use something else? Besides, my job is not in the technology industry at all, so I only know 6-7 programming languages - and not any of the new ones. And it's not like I spent my life doing this, it was background while I did my actual teaching job. So if it took a long time, what do I care?

No, I'm not a professor (not sure how that one got started). I have a Ph.D. in physics from Ohio State, so the parents and administration at Wellington make me call myself "Dr. Nandor"; otherwise, I'd just as soon go by "Mr. Nandor." Besides, the kids like calling me "Doc."

No, I didn't even think to censor the list. Oops. Since it's on a school website, I'll have to *** some things out.

No, I'm not sure how "berg" didn't make it onto the list, and I'll have to add it. I only found Rg words at the end of my "work," since I didn't know element 111 had actually been officially named, so I must have copied/pasted it in incorrectly into code I was using.

Hope y'all enjoyed it for the random "entertainment" it was meant to be. My brother submitted the story, so.... thanks?

Nandor

Shouldn't this story be on Digg.com?

[shoolz]

This is the type of blog-static that should be on Digg.com, not a 'quality', moderated tech site like /.

Glad to see "nerds" is in there

[Zog The Undeniable]

Although as Ra used to be Rd (yes, really) he could also have had the rare neon-radium compound of NeRd.

Friendly companion to:

[Hosiah]

Tom Lehrer's immortal periodic elements song, which I first discovered on a Doctor Demento album. And as if that weren't enough, I found a Flash cartoon about the song. http://www.privatehand.com/flash/elements.html [privatehand.com] Isn't that interesting?

Pop Quiz for Chem Geeks or Biologists

[PGillingwater]

OK, let's see how many of you really understand BioChemistry. Pop quiz time: which METAL occurs most commonly in mammals?

Don't google it -- just put down your best answer, and we'll see what firms up.

Re:Pop Quiz for Chem Geeks or Biologists

[Zog The Undeniable]

Calcium? Although iron must run it a close second.

Re:Pop Quiz for Chem Geeks or Biologists

[Jim_Callahan]

Tempting to guess potassium, but that is a rare earth rather than being a true metal (/materials scientist), plus Calcium forms the bones, so, yeah, I'll go with Calcium on this one.

Going to also object on the grounds that, unless you eat quarters or something, elements in the human body don't occur in their metallic form, but their ionic form.

Re:Pop Quiz for Chem Geeks or Biologists

[PGillingwater]

Yep, the answer is indeed Calcium. Most people pick Iron because of the blood, but of course our bones are the greatest repository of Calcium, specifically in trabecular and compact bone formation. Dietary calcium, often considered to be a "mineral", is of course a metal -- but in the diet is found in ionic form (Ca2+). Somehow, the body takes in calcium in mineral form (such as Calcium Carbonate), and produces an amazing thing called hydroxyapatite (CaPO4, calcium phosphate, plus some trace elements and

Re:Pop Quiz for Chem Geeks or Biologists

[PGillingwater]

Sorry, Ma isn't Magnesium, or even Manganese. Using your logic (which I admire), the most commonly occurring element in the word "mammAls" is aluminum.

Re:Pop Quiz for Chem Geeks or Biologists

[pjt33]

There isn't a most commonly occurring element in the word "mammals". Am, Al, and S all occur once.

Um, since when is that English

[RobertNotBob]

I gave the list a quick browse and I have one question:

"Since when is samurai an English word?"

Am I wrong here, or is that a mistake?

As my school chemistry teacher used to say...

[Repton]

...that's pretty sodium difluoride.

Re:News for nerds, stuff that matters

[negative0]

Correction. It's an XOR statement.

Re:first... to know this guy

[pudge]

Cool. Who are you? :-)

Re:informatics

[ewg]

Well, that's why it's categorized as "It's funny. Laugh."

Re:Stuff that matters?

[Red Flayer]

"What's next? Books: Telephone Directory?"

Be careful what you ask for. That's all I'm saying.

Although, here's a yellow pages review [unixreview.com] that would be at home on Slashdot. Maybe.