Ingredients in Beer as a Cancer Treatment? 190
ThePuceGuardian writes to tell us Biology News Net is reporting that one of the compounds found only in hops has gained rapid notice as a micronutrient that may help prevent many types of cancer. From the article: "Quite a bit is now known about the biological mechanism of action of this compound and the ways it may help prevent cancer or have other metabolic value. But even before most of those studies have been completed, efforts are under way to isolate and market it as a food supplement. A "health beer" with enhanced levels of the compound is already being developed."
can't resist (Score:4, Funny)
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Of course there will be the usual comments about drunkeness, but only very low IQ people connect the two.
I'm glad to see it finally published.
Michael
Oh well if I have to then (Score:4, Funny)
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"Use as directed. Side effects include enlarged waistline, impaired vision, and brewer's droop."
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dammit! (Score:3, Funny)
I was going to say something like...
*or*
*or*
*or perhaps even*
...
Oh well. I guess personal responsibility will have to take care of such thngs...
"Ask your doctor if beer is right for you!" (Score:2)
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Just as soon as Roche or Bayer patents it and corners the market in hops.
Make it a near beer. (Score:2)
Re:Oh well if I have to then (Score:3, Interesting)
From TFA:
Damn! I guess that means I'll have to drink more Guinness. Life is so unfair!!
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As always, enjoy in moderation.
Re:Oh well if I have to then (Score:5, Informative)
They expressed a bit of surprise that their main results turned out to be about alcoholic beverages. They reported that, while drunkards didn't do too well, teetotallers didn't do a lot better. Those who lived longest were what they called "moderate" drinkers. Many readers here in the US were a bit surprised to discover that this meant 3 or 4 "drinks" (about 1 ounce or 25-30 ml alcohol each) per day for the average-size person. Effectiveness fell off on either side of this peak level.
They also said that people who drank mostly beer or wine showed the most benefit. Distilled beverages were only about half as effective. But drinking distilled booze mixed with fruit juices was about as good for you as beer or wine. They conjectured that the benefit was from both the alcohol and the vitamins produced by yeast or fruit.
There was a strong "further research is needed" in the summary. After all, it was just a correlation study, and said little about causation. Since then there have been a lot of more-detailed studies. This study is just the latest in a series, and a lot more research is still needed.
Finding volunteer subjects is perhaps easier with these studies than with most.
And it has been fun watching the media try to spin the results of study after study that show the benefits of (moderate) alcohol consumption.
Hey Darwin... get this!!! (Score:3)
OK, so it Beer is some kind of health drink you should expect to see a natural progression of evolution to the following affects.
Alcoholics will thrive just so long as they stay away from any attempt to recover.
Recovered Alcoholics will become extinct.
I guess everyone else becomes the control group.
iNDEED (Score:2)
As far as I know the universe doesn't do controlled experiments (or at least doesn't publish them in Nature), so I'm not sure about the control group, but it would seem clear that not everyone could be drunk at the same time.
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I wonder how many people there are on the other side of the fence - *unsuccessful* directors and CEOs who took a big risk only to fail miserably.
That's really great. (Score:4, Funny)
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No. All of their problems are a cancer. Although beer will unfortunately only counteract the biological kind.... err. wait. I didn't mean that how it sounded.....
WHAT? (Score:1)
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Although having said that, they have les
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Re:WHAT? (OT) (Score:2)
Free speech is being able to speak anonymously, and there are a lot of great anonymous comments posted, some anonymous because the poster is fearful of their job. You're only hurting yourself by not listening.
Re:WHAT? (OT) (Score:2)
Which I'm not stopping. However having said that, I have yet to see someone post anonymously because their government tried to stop free speech. Having said that, Americans do occassionally claim to be posting AC because of their employer, which leads me to my next point....
some anonymous because the poster is fearful of their job.
But they offer no proof or facts to their point. Only hearsay. I could post anonymously and claim to be an employer of whoever the a
Re:WHAT? (Score:2, Funny)
And so what. Everything in moderation. Even water is poisonous, as was clear from recent news reporting in Denmark. A young otherwise healthy woman drank excessive amounts of unsalted water as part of a selfadministered "cleansing", which skewed her salt balance and caused brain damage and subsequent death.
So please take everything with a grain of salt! (And a slice of lemon if it's tequila.)
-Lasse
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I guess you could do it if you drink a few gallons of water and don't take in any salt equivalents.
But it's difficult nonetheless.
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Unless they're being homeopathic as well.
Not Surprising (Score:5, Interesting)
Division Spermatophyta (seed plants)
Class Angiospermae (flowering plants)
Sub-Class Dicotyledons (two cotyledons on seedling)
Order Urticates (elms, mulberries, nettles)
Family Cannabinaceae (hops and cannabis)
Food for thought....
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Beer Goggles (Score:2, Funny)
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closest relative of hops is cannabis.
i have a dated paperback (late 60s?) from straight arrow press that suggests the grafting of hops to the rootstock of reefer as a form of camouflage while growing.Re:Not Surprising (Score:2)
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The overall significance of this might be indicated by comparing a few other sets of plants that are in the same family:
tomatoes, nightshade, potatoes and tobacco (Solanaceae)
strawberries, apples and almonds (Rosaceae)
cashews and poison ivy (Anacardiaceae)
cabbage, nasturtium and wasabi (Brassicaceae)
okra and cotton (Malvaceae)
Plants within a single family can be rather variable. Even within a single genus, you get contrasts like the various kinds of peppers.
Re:Not Surprising (Score:2)
For something really hoppy look for an IPA (I prefer an IBU >50..IBU is international bittering units many producers will advertise how many IBU's their beer is.). Of course
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An even better choice may be Dogfish Head brewery's 90 Minute IPA. Hops are added to the wort every 1-2 minutes throughout a 90-minute boil (thus the name). Very hoppy, and very strong (but so dry you'll have a hard time drinking to excess).
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smokers (Score:4, Funny)
Mmmmmm... (Score:5, Informative)
Strange but true, hops are related to marijuana. Hence the definite high you get from a pint of real beer vs. the the fuzzy-headed blaaah that a pint of fizzy yellow larger brewed in a 40,000 gallon chemical plant [stella-artois.com] produces.
(I assume this mention of 'hops' means that the beer referred to is proper beer [wikipedia.org], aka ale, which has fortunately made a good comeback in the UK in the last 10-15 years. A harmless 'welcome to the UK' ceremony I like to perform on arrivals from... well, anywhere, really, except Ireland perhaps, is to go for a drink and subtly pressure them into trying a pint or two of ale. They tend to think about beer in terms of how much lager they can consume, neck three pints and get entertainly messy, even tho' the alcohol content is about the same.
Warning: do not try this on a school night *)
Re:Mmmmmm... (Score:2)
Dang. Now my precious Victory Hop Devil Ale [ratebeer.com] will become hard to obtain.
First Bird Flu now this.
Re:Mmmmmm... (Score:3, Interesting)
But first I stopped into a pub for a lunch of steak and kidney pie (mad cow be damned
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"Three pints? At lunchtime?"
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so."
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BTW, I hope you realise that we do this not as an evil trick, but as a small gesture of assistance t
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You should feel lucky that you live in a place which has such real ales.
Here in Canada, you get the usual North American be
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Actually I've always had a soft spot for Canada since doing a school project on the subject at the age of 9 or 10. I got so into it I remember spotting a car with a Canadian plate whilst on holiday in France, leaping out and taking
This is good news. (Score:1)
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Health beer? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:India Pale Ale (Score:2, Informative)
West coast IPA's from the US typically have even more hops than your average IPA and are sometimes called "double" IPA's. For maximum hop-age try Stone's Ruination IPA from the San Diego area.
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I'm talking about the difference between a person that goes beyond knowing the difference between an ale and a lager is, and that Budweiser isn't real beer; to a person who attends microbrew festivals, home brews, and can tell what kind of hops and malt are in a beer without an informational sheet
wow that's weird (Score:5, Funny)
This is slashdot for crying out loud... I would have expected "Beer Cures Cancer".
Prevent != Treatment !!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
There are very few things you can use to treat cancer.
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price of hops (Score:2, Interesting)
Will the pharmaceutical companies try to regulate hops to keep the price up?
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Scottish brewers had no choice but to import hops, mostly from Kent. A tax was payable on the purchase of hops, putting Scottish brewers at a disadvantage. The solution was to brew with less hops but more malt. So a pint of Scottish heavy would have had less bitterness, (less hops), but a more full bodied flavour than its English equivalent.
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Here is the frontpage (flash intro) <URL:http://www.heatherale.co.uk/><br>
Here is the homepage <URL:http://www.fraoch.com/><br>
And here is the ran
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Here is the frontpage (flash intro) http://www.heatherale.co.uk/ [heatherale.co.uk]
Here is the homepage http://www.fraoch.com/ [fraoch.com]
And here is the range of ales! http://www.fraoch.com/historicales.htm [fraoch.com]
-- My hyper
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I'm an American, is what I am, which means that if I try to drink as much as the typical Scotsman, I'll fall down spouting some unintelligible babble centered somewhere in the North Atlantic.
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As Ben said... (Score:5, Funny)
The same story template, all over again (Score:5, Insightful)
Use common sense. Eat and drink whatever you have been eating and drinking all your life and whatever you feel like, but don't be excessive in quantity in either direction. Most important, eat and drink in enjoyable company of family or friends, take your time, and don't stress yourself out. While all of this is still no guarantee for anything, it certainly does not damage your overall health. Humanity has survived and prospered for millennia without reading a single cancer study.
Don't get too excited (Score:5, Informative)
Similar evidence has been accumulated regarding a host of other compounds - as far as I'm aware, none of them have ever proven useful either as treatments or as prophylactics. That said, by all means, dose a population of mice with hops extract and see if it prevents them from getting cancer.
Hey this is exciting (was: Don't get too excited) (Score:3, Insightful)
but I assume (making an ass of u and me) that the evidence they're talking about are enzymatic activity assays from isolated tissues.
I think that is a fair assumption (caveat included). But note that the trigger for looking at the bioflavinoids was a statistical anomoly that has been dubbed the French Paradox. Some groups in France who eat a traditional diet that is high in fats and such were having a much lower incidence of heart disease than was predicted by American based statistics. Several investiga
Funny. (Score:5, Informative)
I was just on Some Random Website the other day reading about how before hops found its way into beers (sometime around the fourteenth century, I think), its principle use in Europe was as a medicinal herb. Usually brewed as a tea, as I recall.
Another Fun Beer Fact: before the British "discovered" how to put hops in their beer, the primary flavoring agent they used was creeping charlie [uvm.edu]. Ever since I found that out, I've always kinda wondered what that would taste like ...
Another plant that seems to have tremendous health benefits (fightin' cancer [sciencenews.org], and alzheimer's [jbc.org], and as a general anti-inflammatory [american.edu], etc.) is turmeric [umm.edu] -- which is one of the primary ingredients of curry.
Hmmmm ... beer and curry ... the British must live fer freakin' ever.
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Mmmmm, greasy. I miss my Aussie/British food.
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Mushy pea butties (plenty of vinegar)
meat 'n' 'tato pie butties with brown sauce (bread, whole pie, brown sauce, bread)
tea
do americans even know what brown sauce is? do you have a different word for it? it cant be that only us northerners (north england) eat brown sauce. (bloody southerners dont)
brown sauce:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_sauce [wikipedia.org]
hmm, that post became quite OT, ah well.
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Informative. (Score:3, Funny)
Symmetry demands that comment is modded Funny.
Healthy Beer Here Already? (Score:2)
The only problem, it's a bit...mmmm...strong, at 13.something percent alcohol, it's a bit more than the health types recommend you drink a day to get the wine like antioxidant effects from beer. My solution is to share my strong beers with friends, as I have n
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Best beer in the world (Score:3, Interesting)
Wisdom of Those Who Came Before (Score:5, Interesting)
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This is a common misrepresentation of the situation. They were running low on provisions in general, but the most urgent was drinkable liquid. Because beer keeps even better than water, but has enough nutrients to keep you alive for quite a while, it's a last-resort foodstuff. The fact that they were running low on ale probably indicates that
Manly Men? (Score:3, Funny)
"In recent years, it has also been shown that some prenylflavonoids found in hops are potent phytoestrogens, and could ultimately have value in prevention or treatment of post-menopausal "hot flashes" and osteoporosis - but no proper clinical trials have been done to study this."
So there is an estrogen-like substance in beer as well. Hmmm... maybe that explains the enlarged chest of men who drink a lot of beer...
told ya! (Score:2)
as stated on the BBC - drinking and mouth cancer (Score:2)
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This shouldn't come as a surprise... (Score:3, Insightful)
Bumper Sticker (Score:2)
Vindicated (Score:2, Funny)
Angiogenesis Inhibitors (Score:4, Informative)
The pioneer in the area is a Dr. Judah Folkman. If you ever get a chance to hear him speak, don't pass up the opportunity.
According to Dr Folkman, the food with the highest amount of angiogenesis inhibitors found so far are Indian curries.
So have curries with your beer and attack the cancers on two fronts.
Even better, restrict your intake of iron and attack the cancers on three fronts. Too much iron can increase the growth of certain cancers.
Priceless! (Score:2)
Some pretzles to go with.... $5
Look on wifes face just now when I told her I'd be drinking 'health beer' from now on... Gawd, what a look!
Vitamin Supplement? (Score:2)
Hmm. (Score:3, Funny)
Patented Beer? (Score:3, Interesting)
"Free as in beer" tag disappearing in five, four, three, two...
To your health! (Score:2, Informative)
For treatment, one would mix beer, a lump of malt, and oil together, then repeat the following incantation three times:
After Anu [had created the sky],/ The sky had created [the earth],/ The earth had created the rivers./ The rivers had created canals,/ The canals had created the marsh,/ The
Free as in.. (Score:2)
Free as in Beer (Score:3, Funny)
Just an FYI (Score:2)
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