Running out of Hurricane Names 712
fm6 writes "LiveScience is reporting that the 21 names reserved for tropical storms and hurricanes in Atlantic Basic are almost used up. If there are more than 21 storms, they'll start using the Greek alphabet. The most storms ever recorded was 21 in 1933, before they started giving them official names. The connection between this record-breaking storm year and global warming remains controversial."
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PING! (Score:2, Interesting)
You will also notice that use of gopher space has gone down with the rise of hurricanes this year. I think it is time we all dropped the internet and went back to gopher space.
Only controversial if you're in denial (Score:4, Interesting)
The Bushies have been in denial about global warming and have been spreading FUD at every chance. Most real scientists have accepted the fact of global warming. This "controversy" is just another example of denial and FUD.
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These people aren't scientists, they are politicians.
Trolling? (Score:3, Interesting)
So we may hit a total that we hit in 1933. How is this evidence of a change or part of the global warming debate? Shouldn't we be seeing totals consistently higher than the past? Or is someone just trying to stir up a liberal/conservative debate?
1933 number is deceiving (Score:5, Interesting)
As to the Global Warming/hurricane connection, here are the words of hurricane guru Dr. William Gray:
BTW - I am a meteorologist... or meaty urologist, I never quite remember.Not linked to more, but will effect strength. (Score:4, Interesting)
However, due to how hurricanes gain strength (by pulling heat from the water) global warming could be linked in an increase in strength.
Impressive! (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Bad PR (Score:2, Interesting)
Yeah, totally, because all those rich bastards just take their tax cut loot and throw it on the money pile they keep under their mattress, right?
You should really refrain from comments about what would be good for the economy until you have two brain cells to rub together.
Re:What? (Score:4, Interesting)
Naming Chart Coolness [babynamewizard.com]
Re:Global warming issue (Score:5, Interesting)
Levels of methane, another potent greenhouse gas, are approaching 1000% higher than any previous peak on record.
BOTH of these curves begin a sharp exponential climb right around 1700 AD - the industrial revolution.
It is a fact that these gases contribute to a greenhouse effect, and it is also a fact that humans have contributed to the greenhouse gas content of the atmosphere.
Re:Global warming issue (Score:1, Interesting)
It also has a lot to do with the large number of people who strongly believe that correlation == causation. I suspect this belief is held by the majority.
Though, I think this is just an excuse to argue with people. After all, if global warming was a natural climate change, there would be no one to point the finger at. Environmental groups are all about whining about perceived problems. Imagine what would happen to our society if those people actually had to DO something for a living instead of mooching off other people's fears and making up sensationalist stories.
Re:Global warming issue (Score:3, Interesting)
Lemme ask you this: How much of your future and your children's future are you willing to gamble on all us scientists being wrong?
Re:RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:so what they are saying is... (Score:1, Interesting)
The record number of hurricanes in 1933 proves the threat of global warming much in the way it proves it today.
Don't forget, we have had the threat of Nuclear Winter between then and now.
That is why average temperatures are about the same.
what if a greek letter is retired? (Score:3, Interesting)
-Sean (OutdoorDB [slashdot.org] - The Outdoor Wiki)
1933? Was it global warming then? (Score:2, Interesting)
What gets me is all of these "record breaking lows/highs" and along with it comes "it hasn't been this hot/cold/stormy/etc since (insert 30 to 70 year old year here)". Well what was the excuse back then? Seasons and temperatures fluctuate all the time. Records aren't broken every day, nor every year...they just get randomly broken.
So please explain to me why exactly, when referring to 1933, there were 21 storms back then - was it global warming? No.
Before you mod this flamebait or troll, I'm just trying to make a logical point. I'm not a believer or non-believer of global warming, I just get sick of the years-ago referrals as if it were significant without someone thinking it out logically.
Retired Names (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:controversial? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Record set in 1933 (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:The Global warming link is irrelevant... (Score:2, Interesting)
By your standards we should abandon all long term ideas and only focus on the short term; and where if anywhere has that got us?
You yourself agree that global warming is real. So why not start taking action that will help the long term side by side with short term options. Yes disasters will happen and nothing you ever will do will stop those. But you cannot loose sight of what might hapen in the future.
so your first line "it's completely irrelevant" is truely irrelavent.
Just my two cents.
Re:Faulty Grasp of Science (Score:5, Interesting)
I wasn't publishing a peer-reviewed scientific paper, I was posting a comment on Slashdot. I wasn't trying to use the scientific definition of "proof," the mathematical definiton of "proof," or the legal definition of "proof," I was just speaking plainly. I'm sure to your reasoning, the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution, the germ theory of disease, and the heliocentric theory of the solar system are only conjectures, which are not, and can never be, proven. But to all of us who are having a friendly discussion about what all this stuff means, these things have been "proven" by a commonly accepted colloquial use of the word "prove [reference.com]." Any conjecture that passes peer review, stands the test of time, makes it into the textbooks, and becomes a scientific theorem might be considered to have been "shown to be correct," or "generally accepted," or "undoubtedly accurate," or any other synonym or euphemism you might choose for the word "proven." I'm sure, from your message, that if I'd said "Andrew Wiles proved Fermat's Last Theorem" or "Louis de Branges proved the Bieberbach Conjecture," you'd attack me for "having a faulty grasp of mathematics," because they "only provided a logical proof within an assumed framework."
I'm fascinated by the way you twist your semantic quibbling into a "disproof," if you will, of every actual point I made in my post. It is as if I were to point out that your statement "their coherence with the rest of the accepted body of science" is redundant, because that's part of what constitutes "the weight of evidence supporting them", and then concluded that everything you'd written were false because I caught something that could be improved upon in the way you state your case.
In this case, there would be no reason to fall back on illogical, unscientific arguments for why you're wrong in saying "Currently the theory that nastier hurricanes are caused by global warming has more evidenciary support and is more coherent than competing theories, thus it is the currently accepted explanation," since I can rely on reason and scientific literature to back me up. With your keen grasp of science, I'm interested that you didn't feel the need to, for example, offer any sort of references, arguments, or data supporting any assertion you made in your post. So here's some. First, start with every argument I made in my post, and see if you can actually offer any counter argument to any of them. Then try to actually RTFA linked to the Slashdot story, and notice that this "trend" only exists for the narrow subset of data the researchers choose, and as soon as you throw in the data from 1925, the trend is reversed.
Unfortunately it isn't available online, (well, you can see some of it at Amazon. [amazon.com]), but chapter 5 of Bjorn Lomburg's The Skeptical Environmentalist provides an overwhelming accumulation of peer-reviewed data culled from Science, Scientific American, and the UN Meteorological Organization showing that there is no positive correlation between global temperature and hurricane frequency or severity. In fact, the best available data shows a week negative correlation, although any long-term trend is nearly lost in
Re:Easy solution (Score:2, Interesting)
Want to know what your very own porn star name is?
It's an easy formula:
Your second name + Name of street you grew up in = Your porn star name
If it doesn't quite fit, use the name of another street that's part of your life, like the one where your school is or was, the one where you work, you get the idea.
For example, my porn star name would be "Alex Roman".
Retiring names (Score:2, Interesting)