Nanotech Trojan Horse That Kills Cancer 276
An anonymous reader writes "University of Michigan scientists have created the nanotechnology equivalent of a Trojan horse to smuggle a powerful chemotherapeutic drug inside tumor cells - increasing the drug's cancer-killing activity and reducing its toxic side effects." From the article: "The drug delivery vehicle used by U-M scientists is a manmade polymer molecule called a dendrimer. Less than five nanometers in diameter, these dendrimers are small enough to slip through tiny openings in cell membranes. One nanometer equals one-billionth of a meter, which means it would take 100,000 nanometers lined up side-by-side to equal the diameter of a human hair."
Can't resist Trojan Horse joke... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Can't resist Trojan Horse joke... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Can't resist Trojan Horse joke... (Score:4, Funny)
Beware of geeks bearing GIFs
Ahh...perhaps that's how these things work...the dendrimers sneak in tiny little GIFs of goatse and tubgirl, and the tumor loses its appetite and starves to death.
Brilliant!
Brilliant!
^_^
Re:Can't resist Trojan Horse joke... (Score:2)
I don't think I've ever said this to anyone before, seeing as how I'm firmly against it, but...
Please, for the love of humanity. Reproduce.
Re:Can't resist Trojan Horse joke... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Can't resist Trojan Horse joke... (Score:2)
I think it's time for a T-Shirt...
yuck... (Score:3, Insightful)
I know that this technology is supposed to be helpful, but something about the process makes me feel uncomfortable.
Re:yuck... (Score:5, Insightful)
There are so many ways to improve upon killing humans. Is one more way really worth worrying about? So someone has found a better way to diliver a chemical payload into a human cell. Certainly I bet someone can figure out how to make said payload lethal. Who cares though? We already have chemical and viruses sitting around that can kill within seconds. It is like worrying that some nation went from owning 5000 to 10,000 nuclear weapons, or worrying about getting shot 100 times rather then 50. If genocide is your goal, the tools are already avaliable.
I personally am excited at the prospect of a new treatments like the one outlined. Dead is dead. You can throw HF in my face or you can throw your nano-poisonin my face. Either way, the outcome is the same. On the other hand, nanomedicen is not chemo. Chemo has the potential to be almost as bad as the cancer. If a nanomedicen can kill cancer and do less harm to my body, I am all for it, paranoia be damned.
unique uses (Score:2)
there's more than one way to commit a genocide
Clever! (Score:2)
Seriously, though, did you just come up with that, or did you hear it somewhere else?
--grendel drago
Re:yuck... (Score:2)
Re:yuck... (Score:4, Informative)
I'm curious, what exactly about this makes you feel uncomfortable?
Re:yuck... (Score:3, Insightful)
Try having cancer.
Re: yuck... (Score:2)
Last time I checked, Water, Food and Oxygen were all provided by nature. Nanotechnology is man-made.
And, yes, I am being a bit paranoid. At some point, I'll probably get over it, but until that time, I'll keep my tin-foil had close by.
Re: yuck... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: yuck... (Score:2, Insightful)
So what? Beaver dams are "beaver made"? Does that make them "unnatural"? Ant-hills are "ant made". Does that make them "unnatural"? Nests are "bird made"? Does that make them "unnatural"? Houses are "man made"? Does that make them "unnatural"?
Why do people assume man is not part of nature? Every other living creature on the face of the earth is allowed to use technology, and somehow, that's fine and "natur
Re: yuck... (Score:4, Insightful)
Finally, nanotechnology exists in nature. Arsenic is natural, many natural plants are poisonous, along with various animals, fish, insects, etc. The natural surface of Venus is lethal, you can't live underwater, falling off a cliff is natural.
Crazy Luddites.
Re: yuck... (Score:2)
OK, I'll give you some points on that. But, the poster I was responding to was comparing Water and Oxygen to Nano-tech. I was just pointing out that the comparison it invalid.
Crazy Luddites.
I am not necessarily a Luddite. After all, I am sitting on a computer, typing this note. How much of a luddite can that make me? I am just being a bit paranoid. For every good thing that will come from Nano-tech, there is the possibility that some psych
Re: yuck... (Score:2)
Penicillin: Wrong. Penicillium is a mold that exists in nature. Practically all Penicillin used these days is synthesized. (And besides, extraction was always necessary. You wouldn't get a very pleasant effect by eating mold.)
Bread: Wrong. The grain, water, and yeast don't knead and cook themselves. Bread doesn't form in nature, so it's man-made.
Oxygen: Still somewhat wrong. Don't disc
Yes, but... (Score:5, Funny)
-- Jessica Simpson
Huh? (Score:5, Funny)
Trojans infect my system
Therefore Windows = Cancer
Re:Huh? (Score:4, Funny)
Trojans infect my system
Therefore Windows = Cancer
This is what happens when people sleep through college-level logic courses ;-)
Re:Huh? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
Just wondering, while I'm wandering.
Re:Huh? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
It was meant to be amusing rather than inflammatory. Enjoy your weekend ;-)
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
In other news... (Score:4, Funny)
"If you are using Norton Anti-Virus, you do not have to worry about having your cancer cured without your knowledge," a spokesperson said.
How do they determine cancer/non cancer cells? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:How do they determine cancer/non cancer cells? (Score:5, Informative)
From TFA:
Re:How do they determine cancer/non cancer cells? (Score:2)
They didn't mention it in the article, but I wonder if it would be beneficial to inject the sub
Re:How do they determine cancer/non cancer cells? (Score:2)
Maybe not as beneficial as one might think. I'm not a doctor but have done more research on the topic than most people should have to do.
If you let them grow long enough most malignancies will shed tumor cells into the host's lymph system or bloodstream - the process is called micrometastasis. At that point it's probably better to treat the cancer as a systemic disease rather tha
Re:How do they determine cancer/non cancer cells? (Score:2)
Incineration of the entire body will kill the cancer cells 100% of the time - but like the commercials say, "doctors agree" that the delivery system has some downsides.
Much of the problem of present chemotherapy is the nondesired effects, such as death from posioning, due to a need to deliver a great quantity of the drug in order to get
Re:How do they determine cancer/non cancer cells? (Score:2)
I think we're still missing the boat here... (Score:2)
I figure you already know that cancer is a collective term for more than 100 different diseases that display the same three characteristics - cell mutation, the ability to mask that mutation from the host immune system and angiogenesis (the tumor's ability to create its own blood supply).
Altho
Re:How do they determine cancer/non cancer cells? (Score:2)
Not necessarily. Traditional chemotherapy depends on the differential toxicity of a drug towards tumor cells compared to non tumor cells. This can be on the basis of cell growth, specific nutrients or other properties. All current chemotherapeutic methods are toxic to ALL cells to a greater or lesser extent.
The higher the specificity of the treatment for cancer cells compared to non cancer cells, the safer the treatment. 100% toxicity for cancer cells and
Re:How do they determine cancer/non cancer cells? (Score:2)
Re:How do they determine cancer/non cancer cells? (Score:2)
Re:How do they determine cancer/non cancer cells? (Score:3, Informative)
Condescension in submission text (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. How many of these suckers can I fit in a Library of Congress?
Re:Condescension in submission text (Score:2)
Re:Condescension in submission text (Score:2)
I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. How many of these suckers can I fit in a Library of Congress?
Forget libraries of congress... what I'd like to know is exactly how you line up 100,000 nanometers side-by-side.
things can be lined up side-by-side. measurements can describe a length but aren't inherently "stackable"
While we're at it, you can line up
Re:Condescension in submission text (Score:2)
Nanoparticles? (Score:5, Informative)
The article summary is a bit brief- basically, cancer needs a lot of folate. Moreso than normal cells. These folks attached both an anti-cancer drug and a bunch of folate to a nanoparticle, which, due to both its small size and tasty-looking folate, is able to enter cells and deliver the anti-cancer payload rather than slowly diffuse it through the cell wall.
This is still a bit of a shotgun approach, as normal cells still get targetted to some extent, but *much* less so than previous methods.
Re:Nanoparticles? (Score:2)
That just sounds weird.
NanoJazz? (Score:2)
Re:Nanoparticles? (Score:3, Informative)
Cancer cells divide more rapidly than normal cells (that's part of what makes them cancer). To divide they need to synthesize DNA and to do that they need that tasty looking folate you talked about.
Thus, cancer cells absorb more folate than normal cells.
Traditional chemotherapy drugs attack dividing cells, exploiting the conditions present in a dividing cell to kill it. Because cancer cells are dividing more often than normal cells, they are disproportionately targeted. Poo
Re:Nanoparticles? (Score:2, Insightful)
I realize this has been adequately explained already, but I've come up with an insane analogy, and can't resist.
Suppose it takes 10 units of poison to kill a Muppet
Re:Nanoparticles? (Score:2)
Re:Nanoparticles? (Score:2)
The "maths cures cancer" research said that most(?) cancers don't grow exponentially (ie throughout their volume), but the dividing cells are just the outer layer of the cancer; presumably the inner cells are starved of resources.
Hence, the old growth-directed chemo was only tackling the outer layer of the cancer, giving time for the remaining cells to develop drug resistance, etc.
The new approach sounds like it's still only tackling the outer l
Re:Nanoparticles? (Score:2)
Secondly, most cancers of which you speak can be addressed through radiological and surgical procedures, leaving only the outer fringe to be mopped up by Chemo.
Re:Nanoparticles? (Score:2)
I mean, this is FANTASTIC technology and all, but Darwin still applies, right?
How it works (Score:5, Interesting)
All cells require folate to survive. Cancer cells suck up folate like it's crack. They put the poison in the folate. All cells absorb some of the poisoned folate. Cancer cells absorb most of it.
Pretty nice idea, but it made me wonder about the push to get expectent mothers to take excessive amounts of folic acid (folate). Does that make them more prone to cancer by giving the cancer cells extra food?
Re:How it works (Score:3, Informative)
They put the poison in the folate.
Actually, strictly speaking, they put the poison next to the folate. That's what the nanotech dendrimers are for...to provide a means to mount two substances next to each other that wouldn't naturally combine.
Re:How it works (Score:2)
Umm.... you'd already have cancer if you were feeding the cancer cells extra food, right?
Re:How it works (Score:3, Informative)
Re:How it works (Score:2)
Are you more prone to being attacked by feral monkeys if you keep bananas in the house?
Pregnant women are more susceptible to some kinds of cancer, but primarily because of the hormonal changes they undergo.
In the case of folate, perhaps an existing cancer could be made worse, but given that it's an essential nutrient eliminating folate from your diet in order to remain cancer-free isn't a very practical idea.
Re:How it works (Score:3, Funny)
Seriously, someone answer the monkey question for me. I am scared now.
Well, when I was in Columbia, we had some fruit, including bananas that we picked up in Panama. The locals told us that we had to keep the fruit boxed up tight or the animals would come in and steal it. I didn't believe them though. I was sure it was the Incan gods that snuck in at night and stole all my baby swiss cheese from my backpack - and
Re:How it works (Score:2)
My understanding is that folic acid is recommended for pregnant women due to the very significant benefit in directly causing a big reduction in birth defects
http://www.drdonnica.com/today/00007974.htm [drdonnica.com]
(You can do a quick google for more)
This is in very modest amounts - the benefit is gre
Re:How it works (Score:2)
The embryo has a growth rate comparable to cancer, and that's not the only similarity. Medicines which caused malformation of the fetus (due to their inhibition of blood vessels) can be used effectively to prevent cancer growth.
An expecting woman usually has to wait till the baby is born to start ta
Re:How it works (Score:3, Funny)
You have to remember that a single cell is growing into an 8 pound lump of flesh, bone, etc in an approximately 9 month period. That's got most cancer growth rates beat by a longshot. And because folate is key for cell division, it is vital for mothers to keep their folate intake hi
POWER^H^H^HMOD PARENT UP (Score:2)
That has got to be the funniest definition of pregnancy I've ever read, and me without mod points...
OLD NEWS.. (Score:2)
Again when you are considering trials in humans... it is a little premature to say whether any technology will be used on humans soon(or later)
For e.g.
More incremental work, with the goal of increasing the precision of the treatment and reducing the chance of side effects, is necessary before any kind of treatment can be tested in humans.
In a related trail, (refer: http://www.pedsdoc.c [pedsdoc.com]
Re:OLD NEWS.. (Score:2, Informative)
Related how? The study from TFA is a directed drug delivery study using as a carrier a non-immunogenic (in mice, anyway) man-made dendromer. The Gelsinger trial was a gene therapy trial using adenovirus (a common cold virus) as a vector to carry corrective DNA to cells. II
Good old SI (something units) (Score:2)
It's nice of them to break that down into terms the average person can understand. Now, if only they could break down the mass of the particles into Volkswagons (nano-Volkswagons?) and discuss how many Libraries of Congress worth of data went into this research, I'll have a better idea of what's really going on.
They do get bonus points for using the word
Re:Good old SI (something units) (Score:2)
In a Related Story... (Score:3, Funny)
Wow, really wow. (Score:5, Informative)
Lastly, some folks asked about what happens to all those dendrimers when they've done their job.
Re:Wow, really wow. (Score:2)
So does this effectively mean that all nanoparticles of that size are safe to use in the body? I always wonder if it is advances like these that will help open up the floodgate for the REAL nano-medicine that will inevitably come.
Fuck football (Score:2)
Fuck football indeed (Score:2)
Most current examples are Larry Page of Google and Tony Fadell creator of the iPod.
What I don't understand is how Brown University is consistently ranked higher than UofM in the US News & World Report every year. When is the last time you heard anything from Brown University for innovative research or their professors brought in as an expert in the fields of medicine, engineering, law ...etc e
Re:Fuck football indeed (Score:2)
This is similar to how USN&WR ranked Rochester, MN as the best place to live for like five years in a row. One of their metrics was "Doctor
Medical nanotech (Score:4, Interesting)
Based on what I understand of nano-tech and the human body, I think we're going to see a lot more of this, and this will be the first medical nanotech revolution: Creating drugs that are targetted only at the things they are supposed to affect.
Imagine wrapping, say, kidney drugs in a nanotech container that only opens in the kindeys, and is otherwise harmless. Or imagine an anti-inflammatory that only targets inflamed areas.
This will cut down a lot on undesirable side-effects caused by flooding the entire body with something to affect
This obviously doesn't apply to everything, but this is the first advance I expect to actually get used. We're a long way from lil' machines that can safely clean out plaque from our arteries (though we recently saw some advances towards doing it unsafely this last week), but this is quite doable, I think.
Re:Medical nanotech (Score:2, Informative)
Except it's not.
These nano-particles with Folic Acid go into cells all over the body along (though apparently don't cross the blood/brain barrier). It's just that cancer cells pull in more FA, thus more nano-particles, thus more nanoparticle chemotherapy paylo
Re:Medical nanotech (Score:2)
Yes it is.
Targetting doesn't have to be 100% to be effective, you know.
Thank God not every member of the human race bitches when technology merely improves, and fails to attain 100% perfection.
Shades of grey, perhaps you've heard of them?
Novel but not new (Score:2)
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/coverstory/8034/8034drugd
Okay, so my questions are: (Score:4, Interesting)
Is this a biodegradable polymer?
How hard is it to attach molecules to these tree-like structures? If these polymer dendrimer are exposed to various other molecules will some bond naturally, or do they have to be tailored to a specific molecule?
Does that mean that in potential future patients, any free/unabsorbed nanoparticles will be excreted into the public sewage systems, and being (I assume) unfilterable, thereby enter the earths water cycle?
So when you put those together, will these nanoparticles be able to float freely in our oceans and rivers, their dendrimers bonding with molecules found in nature, and then if conditions are right potentially take those molecules inside our cell walls?
I know - the actual number of these things for cancer patients will be really small, but workable techniques tend to get expanded, and if they don't break down they'll just pile up over time. I'm not qualified to do anything but ask these questions, I'm just wondering whether there's any reasonable risk that once these hit the outside world they could turn around and be just as effective at delivering cancer-causing agents they pick up randomly from the environment.
Re:Okay, so my questions are: (Score:2)
Re:Okay, so my questions are: (Score:2)
Re:Okay, so my questions are: (Score:2)
Oh please, give me half a break will you?
I'm not a polymer chemist, but a search on Google and some reading, which I actually did before I posted, showed me that there is an entire field devoted to biodegradable polymers and that various polymers fall along a spectrum of how they degrade. If you'll re-read the post I merely ask whether it is a biodegradable polymer.
But thanks for assuming I'm lazy, I've been around people who respect me for so long that it was a nice change.
Re:Okay, so my questions are: (Score:2)
I sincerely apologize if that came across as insulting, which I didn't intend. On the other hand, after reading your response, I don't think I was wrong about my original point.
Nanometers (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah, but you would never get that many in a row a one time. They are like cats!
Of course the article neglects to mention that.... (Score:2)
Looks like "The rest of us" are just going to have to die of cancer since we won't be able to afford treatment anyways.
Other Nano-enabled Drugs Already Available (Score:2, Informative)
She went on to say that they've already packaged Taxol (a breast CA chemo) in a similar way and supplied this link for more info. It's called Abraxane [news-medical.net].
Re:Other Nano-enabled Drugs Already Available (Score:2, Informative)
Abraxane is a fancy new package for a well known drug (taxol) it has nothing to do with the treatment in the article. What it does is reduce the complications with taxol treament, but not the efficiency. It allows for the dose to be increased, and thereby is more efficient
The treatment in the article is something quite difrent, it increases the concentration in the target/cancer cells. This reduces the side effects of the treatment. Its new and it is brilliant.
Yes my spelling sucks..
Timing is important here (Score:4, Insightful)
Cancer isn't one disease, it's a group of related diseases. A solution that works for say breast cancer may or may not work for other cancers. The idea of targetting cancer cells specifically for apoptosis (cell death) isn't new but the idea of using a delivery vehicle that can have a deadly payload seems to be somewhat novel.
There are a number of other drugs in development that might have a similar effect. Also there are human clinical trials already in progress for methods of creating a vaccine tailored to a specific person by using that person's tumor. Given that a phase 1 trial of the approach described in the article will not start for two years and that trials generally take at least 7 years before approval, it's likely that other equally novel delivery methods will be approved substantially before this one. This approach will have to show it's better than the others that will be on the market already when approval time comes along.
With some popular cancers such as breast and colorectal cancers, it's quite likely that there will be better therapies. However, if this approach can be targetted to the really deadly cancers (like lung and ovarian cancers) or the many cancers that don't have any good treatment options, this could be a real winner. If you can wait long enough before getting your disease.
Good luck! (Score:2)
Patent filed... iopharmaceutical company... (Score:2)
This will not be a 'cure' for cancer. It will be another 'treatment'.
Cures are not profitable. Treatments are.
In Solviet Russia... (Score:2)
Re:Unit question (Score:2)
That depends on the type of football. For American Football, 100 million. For Australian Football, it's 500 million. And, for Football (soccer), it's a couple of dozen.
Re:Unit question (Score:2)
Re:Okay, but where's the grey goo? (Score:3, Informative)
Wrong kind of nanotech. If you read the article you would've seen that all they have developed is a polymer molecule. The "grey goo" would come from nano machines that self replicate. That has nothing to do with this.
Find your grey goo here (Score:2)
Re:I For One, (Score:2)
Another Question (Score:2)
Re:Another Question (Score:2)
Re:Another Question (Score:2)
Re:Impressive - But not the observation. (Score:2)
Sorta like you supporting ideas like nano-tech without knowing what the possible dangers are?
Just to clarify, Luddite != Stupid. Nor does it imply that they are incapable of prosecuting an argument, or dissecting a faulty one.
After all we wouldn't want to support the luddite belief that technofetishists just steamroller ahead without giving a thought to anything but t
Re:Impressive (Score:3, Interesting)
The term "nanotechnology" has entered the public lexicon, much like the word "nuclear" in the middle of the 20th century. As soon as that happens, researchers start calling everything "nanotechnology" because a bunch of senators see a presentation from the RAND corporation
Re:Where do I invest? (Score:2)