Mars Rover Breaks Free 195
QuantumFTL writes "According to an MSNBC story Opportunity, the same rover that scored an interplanetary hole-in-one, has broken free of an interplanetary sand trap. The MER science operations mailing list was abuzz this morning with the news, as soon as the first rear hazcam image indicating success came down. Engineers were praised for working long nights and weekends to make this extrication possible. Good job, NASA!"
How they did it (Score:2, Informative)
Soon, the Opportunity team was ready for action. On May 11, Pasadena commanded the rover to straighten its wheels. Two days later, Pasadena ordered those wheels to rotate 2.5 times, or about 80 inches.
Since then, Opportunity has moved forward an average of 0.5% of the total distance that its wheels have rotated. That comes to 1.1 feet ahead out of 213 feet spun.
Re:How they did it (Score:5, Funny)
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(btw. do you get that in the US too? I thought it was a UK affliction).
Re:How they did it (Score:2, Funny)
I'm British too, you insensitive clod!
But yeah. Good question.. any Americans know what we're referring to with Crazy Frog? (if not, consider yourselves lucky)
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I take it this is not a musical masterpiece one should actively seek out?
Re:How they did it (Score:2)
I heard it for the first time today, but it was as part of a news story about it being ubiquitous in the UK. I haven't heard it anywhere else...
Re:How they did it (Score:5, Informative)
That would reduce intertia too, making the simulator easier to move than the one on Mars. I wonder if a better simulation would have been to attach a helium balloon to the CG of the vehicle.
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Rear hazcam image has been photoshopped... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:How they did it (Score:2)
Being that the wheels had to spin so much to move even a centimeter, I hope the rover has a way to detect that it is moving. Otherwise, it might keep going and get stuck in the dune on the other side. (Although, the other one didn't seem to cause a problem on the way in, you still take a risk.)
And if it does have a way to detect such movement, how com
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Working Nights and Weekends (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:3, Funny)
They really started getting worried when the Rover reported back "The Alien is nibbling on your arm...". At that point it was either have the engineers put in some long hours to find a solution or hit the space bar to release the cyanide gas...
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Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:3, Insightful)
That depends on which part(s) fail. Loosing the radio(s) or solar panel(s) would be a disaster that cannot be worked around.
Losing a drive motor might not be too big a deal - if there is one working on the other wheels. They just have to be more careful because less wheels would spin next time the terrain is touch. (I'm not sure how the rover is designed, but I would suspect that there is more than one motor, instead of a complex transmission, or 1 wheel drive)
There are many lesser failures that can
Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:2)
Each wheel has an independent motor and the front and rear wheels each have their own steering motors. I don't know if the motors are powerful enough to drag a non-functional wheel.
Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:2)
Make that advertised life span. If it really was that much past it's theoretical life span, chances are it'd be long dead.
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Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:5, Insightful)
Aside from that I imagine they wanted to get it out as soon as possible since they have no idea how long its batteries will last, and it can't do any work while it's stuck. Perhaps they spent the off hours doing simulations and tests to figure out how to get it out.
Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:3, Insightful)
so if the batery would last another 6 months and they spend 3 months getting free, that's only 3 months left to explore.
if they got free in 1 month however (by working overtime), then they would have 5 months to explore...
if I had to choose, I would know what to pick
btw, I think th
These rovers don't last forever. (Score:4, Informative)
Every second that passes is one second closer to the point at which this rover simply ceases to function. Until that point comes, we want to get absolutely as much use out of it as possible.
Re:These rovers don't last forever. (Score:4, Insightful)
No, they're supposed to work forever. Or at least that's what my lawyer said when he filed a lawsuit over my nearly four-year-old iPod. It must be true.
Re:These rovers don't last forever. (Score:3, Insightful)
Objection! (Score:2)
Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:3, Insightful)
Rover Lifespan (Score:2)
Mars has huge dust storms, it's freezing cold, the solar panels are getting scoured by the elements etc. If they don't get it out now, they might not get a second chance.
Re:Rover Lifespan (Score:2)
X = 90 sols (Mars days, which is a fraction longer than an Earth day). That was the intended lifetime of the rovers. The other rover, Spirit, just passed 500 sols.
Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:4, Insightful)
For how long is anyone's guess. The rovers may only have a month of time left to live. Who knows what's just over the next dune to check out. To waste the rover's last hours just because a few people will have to work a little O.T. is, well... wasting a valuable Opportunity.
Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:2, Informative)
Didn't they find out that the solar windstorms blow the sand off of them and keep them clean?
"radioactive materials used to keep bearing grease soft are decaying"
iirc they're using radium 226 which has a half life of about 1590 years.
I understand the point of your post, but these points for why it will fail are probably two unlikley points of failure.
Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:2)
Since they are already operating way past expected lifetime, they could actually make it for years.
Even odds that a Rover is still functional when Longhorn comes out.
Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:2)
Source: www.nuclearpolicy.org/NewsArticle.cfm?Ne
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CO57 (cobalt-57) is approximately nine months (272 days)
CM244 (Curium-244) is about 18.11 years
It doesn't take a physics expert, in fact I'm simply a high school graduate (as of June 1 to boot)
I think they'll last even after the radioactive elements decay. But you might just be right!
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*(just had to say that).
Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:2, Insightful)
Also, it costs a great deal of money to keep a mission like this going. The longer the rover is playing in the sand without doing anything of value, the more money is wasted. NASA's budget is thin enough as it is. I guess they could always abandon that particular rover, but I don't think anyone wants tha
Re:Working Nights and Weekends (Score:2)
As it is, they're operating on 'free' time; the rovers were only expected to be at full operational capacity for 90 days...
Nice work guys. (Score:4, Funny)
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True, but you could do the same with a car if you were stuck. (though if you were stuck worse it might not work) However most people are not willing to spend a couple months getting unstuck, so they use other methods. Then too, most people have abilities that the rovers don't have.
Re:Nice work guys. (Score:3, Funny)
Good luck, but keep the following in mind before calling this guys:
4 hours after your call you'll be called back an instructed to turn 30
4 hours later you'll be instructed to drive back slowy for 1.5 minutes
[...]
I'd rather wait for Mister Plow instead...
Re:Nice work guys. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Nice work guys. (Score:2)
Uh, winter will be over by the time these guys get you out and you'll owe about $12,000,000.
c.
Cool! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Cool! (Score:2)
Mars Rover Breaks free (Score:2)
Will it be funny... (Score:1)
Anyway, I hope it doesn't, and props to the team for not giving up on it.
Re:Will it be funny... (Score:2)
Reverse! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Reverse! (Score:3, Informative)
So what comes next? The first thing we're going to do is simply take a very hard look at the stuff we were stuck in. Much of the worst terrain was under the belly of the rover through all of this, down where we couldn't see it. From our new position, everything that was under us for all those weeks is now visible. So we're going to take a little while just to look at where we were. We may also turn to take a look at our tracks (or trenches, or whatever you want to call
Re:Reverse! (Score:2)
Gee, sounds like a great opening line for The Ballad of Opportunity.
What the article doesn't mention ... (Score:5, Funny)
That Little Rover (Score:2, Funny)
Rove little rover, rove like the wind!
Lifespan (Score:2, Redundant)
Re:This is a problem ... sort of (Score:4, Insightful)
What a fArking troll. The absolute pittance that the Voyager program costs (a few million a year) is so far below the background it's not worth discussing, no wonder it was posted AC. One debate on the floor costs more than an entire years worth of funding. Just cancel the debate and boom... Voyager is free for the year.
Not screwed up yet?! (Score:4, Funny)
My hats off to the engineers. I wish I worked at a place like that.
Re:Not screwed up yet?! (Score:3, Interesting)
Considering that the last screw up of a Mars probe involves not converting measurements correctly [jamesoberg.com], "management" had a lot of incentive not to screw up this time around.
Re:Not screwed up yet?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Start by factoring a worst case scenario for all the components on the rover, and come up with an expected mission time of 180 days (assuming a successful landing). Sprinkle in a safety factor of 2, and you have a 'design mission' of 90 days. Plan all budgets going forward with a '90 days on planet' segment for the mission, keeping budget numbers as small as possible, ie easier to get approved, and the likelihood of a 'successful mission' as high as possible.
After a successful landing, and the rovers run around for most of the 90 days, you come to the 'amazing' conclusion that they are still going strong, and could well do so for a long time yet. Re-do all mission life calculations, but, factor in some best case scenarios for component life, rather than worst case, and remove you fudge factor of 2, and voila, you come to the conclusion rovers can easily go another year, maybe longer. Now you go back to the budget folks, and present it as 'ok, we spent 150 million getting these things onto mars, we only need another 10 million to run them for another year after a hugely successful primary mission'.
From a budget point of view, it becomes a no brainer, for a mere 10 million more, you can triple or quadruple the science value of the original 150 million investment, whereas the whole project could well have been scrapped if the 10 million more was factored in from the get go.
Management played the game exceptionally well on this one, they back end loaded the budget with 'extras' that end up impossible to be declined after the rovers actually ended up on planet, and survived the first 90 days of 'primary mission'. They knew this was the plan already prior to launch, but, by back end loading the budget, they kept the initial approval numbers a lot smaller (easier), and left the long running mission plans to be bonus, ie only presented up the food chain after the rovers survived the first 90 days, and then validated the 'real scenarios' for actual expected mission life.
The real problem they have now, rovers are going strong even after the real planned life, and now they are in an ongoing game of keeping budget topped up. From this point forward, it's still going to be a no brainer though, with all the space hype focussing on mars talk, topping the budget for the rovers is the cheapest publicity that can be bought today, and it'll continue to help deflect criticism away from _other programs_ that soak up billions, and possibly even help justify the sacrifice of those programs since mars is now the focus of all the forward looking hype.
There are some politicians that are hoping and dreaming the 2 rovers can go for another year plus, because, it'll give them a wonderful chance to do some funds diversions. You can bet your last dollar that there are plans afoot in washington to divert more funds to the rover operations, and use that as the excuse to claim not enough funding left to service hubble. It'll be a political coup, but it'll only work if the rovers are still roaming mars when hubble service mission gets to a 'now or never' state.
Love that tin-foil hat, dude (Score:2)
Guy, Hubble is a dead scope walking. We won't be fixing it, ever. The rovers are doing interesting science, and they've captured the nation's interest...without taking pretty picture along the way. Let's figure out how to get things out of that.
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Of course, if the scope had been designed for automated servicing, then it would have a long future ahead of it.
Alas, it was designed to help justify the shuttle, and as a result it will die with the shuttle - as originally intended. The planners didn't think the shuttle would get canceled anyway and that they'd lose the hubble as result. The hubble was intended to help prevent the shuttle from being canceled in the first place.
Kind of l
Power? (Score:2)
On the other hand, I agree that the back end mission costs are negligable compared to the cost and risk of getting there in the first place.
Re:Not screwed up yet?! (Score:5, Informative)
:-) Well, as an engineer, I'm the natural enemy of management, so it pains me to admit this. But honestly, the management for this mission has been simply exceptional, and that's a largely uncredited reason for our success.
Remember the Spirit Anomaly, where we lost contact for a while, a couple of weeks after landing? For all we knew at the time, we'd lost the rover. Pete Theisinger and Richard Cook, who were then the project manager and deputy project manager, went down to the press conference alone, so that (a) the engineering team could work on the damn problem without being distracted by the press, and (b) only their faces were associated with the problem. When things were going well, they brought engineers and scientists to the press conference (and let them do most of the talking). When things went wrong, they took the heat.
The tradition continues with our current project manager, Jim Erickson. To take a recent example, Jim went down to the testbed to help shovel the dirt for the special "sandbox" we had to set up to figure out how to extract ourselves from this dune. (Jim's the guy squatting on the far left of this image [nasa.gov]. That wasn't one of the days he was digging.)
They couldn't have done it without us. But I have to say, we couldn't have done it without them, either.
Interplanetary sandtrap? (Score:3, Insightful)
YEE HAH! (Score:4, Funny)
Lock the hubs and put 'er in low lock. YEE HAH!!
Imposter! (Score:2)
Re:YEE HAH! (Score:2, Funny)
In other news... (Score:3, Funny)
Everybody knows that in situations like that you're supposed to KEEP MOVING for a long ways after freeing yourself so that you don't sink back into similar muck nearby, but those nerds apparently missed that life lesson. :)
Golf (Score:3, Funny)
They just floored it... (Score:2)
Re:They just floored it... (Score:2)
What else they could do? There aren't too many options. They couldn't rock it back and forth like a car, so all they could do was floor it. I don't really understand why they had to think about it for so long - it's not like there were any other options.
Re:They just floored it... (Score:2)
Step aside, Homer. (Score:2)
Now that's a whole lotta floorin'
Additional Discussion (Score:5, Informative)
Cheers,
Justin Wick
P.S. First accepted story! w00t!
Re:Additional Discussion (Score:2)
Hm, why is that? Will their system clock roll over?
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Hm, why is that? Will their system clock roll over?
Well, most of the software developed at JPL for the mission uses three digits to encode the sol number. Once we are past 999, this software, as written, will cease to function properly. This is something that can be fixed, but I believe it would take a lot of effort. It will be a miracle if we need to do that, but it's possible one of the rovers will still be marginally operational at that point.
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So, somebody will have to deal with the Y10K crisis in the distant future.
Ultimately, it is the same problem that caused Y2K, just a little farther off. Either way it is the same cause - the guy who designed the software figured he'd be retired by the time it had to be fixed...
Working Nights and Weekends? (Score:2)
Music on Rover Team Album Home movies (Score:3, Informative)
On the Nasa Home Movies page, there is a very nice photo montage called
"Rover Team Album" 2:49 at 11meg
It has some very cool electronica music to go with it. I've been searching, but can't find any indication as to exactly what the music is.
Anyone have any ideas ?
You can get to it from here
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/m
Select the "One Year on Mars" (View Flash Feature) link at the right, then choose "Home Movies" from the set of image links in the popup window.
OMG (Score:2)
The other obvious answer is that they're faking the whole thing. Obviously there can't be tire tracks on Mars.. that picture was taken on Earth!
Re:What this proves out is.. (Score:5, Funny)
As am I, and I'm sure the Indians we hire to put it there will feel a sense of pride in their accomplishment.
KFG
Re:What this proves out is.. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What this proves out is.. (Score:2, Insightful)
No, I want to see the danish flag [denmark.dk] planted in the Martian soil and all of Mars claimed as danish territory ;-)
Seriously, no nation should be able to claim an entire planet as their territory just because they were the first to land a person on that planet.
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yea . . that'd get it going.
Re:What this proves out is.. (Score:2)
The curious thing is that his ability to move his political agenda seems to have run out of steam just as his syntax seems to have been fixed up.
Re:What this proves out is.. (Score:2)
It's interesting to see some of the footage of his early political debates. No Bushisms to speak of.
The most likely scenario is it's calculated, or at least practiced, and meant to make him seem more endearing, or less like a stuffed shirt, a trait ascribed to some of his opponents.
Walking (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Walking (Score:2)
Someday we'll have rovers that scurry along on insect legs, or better yet slither like snakes.
Re:MER science operations mailing list? (Score:2)
No, the list is closed to mission personelle. I do know that several high profile journalists get regular forwards from the list, however. If you're not a journalist, though, you're probably out of luck.