Mars Rover Stuck in a Dune 497
Bamfarooni writes "The NASA Mars rover Opportunity has gotten stuck in a dune, buried up to the hubs of the wheels. While they haven't given up yet, it doesn't look good for the little guy who's now 359 days into the extended mission." From the article: "The Mars machinery had been cruising southward across the open parking lot-like landscape of Meridiani Planum, full of larger and larger ripples of soil. Opportunity has been en route to its next stopover, Erebus crater, nestled inside an even larger crater known as Terra Nova."
Figures. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Figures. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Southern Drivers (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually, they probably should have hired Californians with experience driving 4WD vehicles across SAND since they got stuck in a dune. Maybe somebody who has experience in the Imperial Sand Dunes [montereyherald.com]. Driving in snow is very different than driving in sand, I've done both. Plus, the rover appears to be a six wheel drive.
It's easy! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:It's easy! (Score:5, Informative)
Also, the floor mats do work, those people you see obviously don't know what they are doing with the floormats if they are ejecting them into the air. Don't floor it when you shove the mats under! You're suppose to just crawl it out using the floormats for grip instead of loose sand, or ice.
Re:It's easy! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Southern Drivers (Score:3, Insightful)
1. The US has chosen the worse possible grade of asphalt (blacktop) for the majority of streets and parts of highways. Europe uses a much safer grade which uses larger rocks in the mix, therefore giving your tires more to grab onto in the wet. Ask Germany how well this works.
2. In densely populated areas, you get alot of junk cars on the roads leaking oils and fluids. This, combined with heaps of rubber, bakes into the road surfac
More self-righteous moral preening (Score:3, Funny)
How comical. Your smug distinction would be completely lost on the 90% of the world's population who have no car at all.
But don't let that stop you from patting yourself on the back. Knock yourself out.
-ccm
Damn potholes (Score:4, Funny)
muu (Score:5, Funny)
This is what *REALLY* happened (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Naw. They should've used Dubs (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Baja Claws (Score:3, Informative)
No, you need sand tyres [landroverclub.net] - mud tyres are designed to dig deep into the dirt.
That's the last thing you want to do if you are travelling across sand.
If only they had a caddie (Score:2, Funny)
Hold on! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Hold on! (Score:5, Funny)
Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats thirty-five.. CANYONERO!!!
Solution (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Solution (Score:2)
The inflight movies better be good otherwise you'll be hella bored!
Tom
Re:Solution (Score:2)
Tom
Re:Solution (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Solution (Score:3, Funny)
Rover: Yea, I seem to be stuck in a sand dune on another planet.
Onstar: Alright, I'll send a rescue crew to meet you. They should be there in about 4 months.
Rover: About that, could you hurry it up? I think this sand dune is collaps...
+++NO_CARRIER
Dear NASA (Score:5, Funny)
If you had let Xzibit and West Coast Customs pimp out the Rover with 20 inch rims you would have avoided this problem.
Letter
Re:Dear NASA (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, but the only thing they would have done to the drive train was put another quart of motor oil in a 25 year old Ford engine with 320,000 miles...
We'z gonna fix yo bucket!
Re:Dear NASA (Score:5, Funny)
Project Learder: Holla at'cha boyyee
NASA Engineer: Uh, sir, what do you want us to do?
Project Leader: Awww, Snap! Dat rover be da bomb!
NASA Engineer: I'm going home.
Project Leader: H to the O to the M to the E.
Re:Dear NASA (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Dear NASA (Score:3, Insightful)
ROFLMAO -- by now you'd think I would be used to the fact that you shouldn't ever underestimate the stupidity of people and the strange stuff they'll do.
:-P
I retract my previous obvservation.
Cheers (and thanks for the laugh)
Job well done (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Job well done (Score:3)
The shuttle engineers did an outstanding job, keep in mind that much of it is 70s design. Some of it 60s? Now factor in all the politicians and outside organizations that meddled with the design. The funding cuts and other problems that undermined day to day operations. Engineers have to use what is available now and what is within budget, and the shuttle guys did an outstanding job at the time. Today's situation is largely the result of polit
Re:Job well done (Score:5, Insightful)
You know how new, large jet engines can cost millions of dollars, even though they're mass-produced? Picture an engine that dwarfs your typical jet engine in terms of complexity (in order to get such extreme performance - a single SSME no larger than a 747's engine could propel a 747 at 4 Gs, and still manages to be one of the most efficient rocket engines), and is not mass-manufactured, and you start to get an idea of what is involved here. Real rocket engines (we're just talking about the engines here - the rest of the craft is incredibly difficult, too!), as opposed to little joyride engines that use a heavy tank of nitrous and tube full of rubber, deal with some of the hottest (hotter than the boiling point of lead), most corrosive (high temperature hydrogen-rich thermodynamically imbalanced mixtures corrode things very easily), high vibration, very high thrust, and yet very maneuverable (for gimballing) environments that humans have ever produced. And to make it reusable? A truly incredible feat.
And to think that the fuel is LH (just barely above absolute zero - the temperature alone makes metals brittle - and hydrogen itself severely embrittles metals and leaks through almost anything), while the oxidizer is LOX (one of the most corrosive oxidizers you can get apart from LF). You need to not only contain them (and prevent ice from forming on these frigid structures without adding much weight at all), but to build your tanks with such a bare-minimum-thickness that if you were to turn many rockets upside down when full, they'd rupture due to the taper. These tanks need to be somewhat pressurized (although most pressure needs to be added in the turbopumps - amazing devices on their own). Every last pipe (and there are *many* of them), every last joint, must be as weak as possible, but still welded/attached security, uncorrodable, not allow ice buildup, not melt, and not be vibrated loose. And then, the structure overall is collossal - the whole thing needs to be built this way.
We haven't even gotten into reentry and the problems of being in space for a long time. It's really incredible that we can get off this rock at all; the term "rocket science" being used to mean "highly difficult problems" is quite apt.
Re:Job well done (Score:3, Interesting)
On the other hand, if it's reusable, you only have to build it once, with is a huge advantage when you're dealing with something as expensive as a high performance rocket engine.
Re:Job well done (Score:3, Informative)
Soyuz is cheaper - about half the price per kilogram as the shuttle. There are a lot of factors involved here, but as the previous poster mentioned, most of them have to do with it not being reusable. The downside to this is that the
Dear NASA & JPL (Score:5, Insightful)
Mission _very_ accomplished.
The human race knows infinitely more of our red neighbor thanks to your hard work.
THANK YOU!
Re:Dear NASA & JPL (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Dear NASA & JPL (Score:2)
Re:Dear NASA & JPL (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Dear NASA & JPL (Score:4, Funny)
Demolition derby (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Demolition derby (Score:3, Funny)
I'm imagining that the other rover is pretty far away and wouldn't get there for a year or so.
But hey, what's everyone all pesimistic about... as you point out, you do have two rovers, why not use the other one? The MISSION CONTINUES!
Re:Demolition derby (Score:5, Funny)
One got stuck, and the other one thousands of kilometers away, goes on a desperate mission to cross the planet to rescue Opportunity before his battery runs out. All this with help from his sidekick Marvin the Martian, NASA JPL Jake, and Duney the Dune.
Re:Demolition derby (Score:5, Informative)
Under near-ideal conditions, the rovers could crawl a hundred meters (three hundred or so feet) per day.
The two rovers are on roughly opposite sides of the planet, which has a diameter of nearly seven thousand kilometers. To bring the other rover around--assuming you could drive in a straight line and there were no obstacles or technical problems--would take two or three hundred years.
Re:Demolition derby (Score:4, Interesting)
The rovers are sun-powered, so the other rover can simply drive all the way after its done with examining its vicinity. We have the time, and the Little Green Men are already helping with dusting the solar panels
Call Triple A (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Call Triple A (Score:4, Funny)
Well... (Score:2)
Hope NASA has AAA emergency roadside assistance membership.
Let me say this out loud! (Score:5, Funny)
...or maybe not...
Don't give up, NASA! (Score:5, Funny)
It sounds like NASA is going to use a technique I discovered playing video games as a child. If you're stuck somewhere, just wiggle the joystick back and forth for a few hours to see if you can work your way out of it. Too bad they can't reload a saved game. I found that technique helpful too.
Re:Don't give up, NASA! (Score:5, Informative)
Perhaps NASA could learn a thing or two from rednecks in 4x4 pickup trucks? *smile*
Re:Don't give up, NASA! (Score:3, Interesting)
If you get the momentum right, rocking back and forth will often "jump" you out of it as long as you haven't been a complete dummy and run full throttle digging yourself as deep as you an go...
Dunno why they don't just pull it out with the tractor beam from the other Rover, though.
Oh, wait... wrong reality...
Dune, my ass (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Dune, my ass (Score:5, Interesting)
I was going to dismiss this out of hand, but FTA, Opportunity did find two small craters right before running aground. The cause?
They could have been created by an object from space that was large enough to make it through the martian atmosphere without burning up.
And, let's not forget:
"Given that these two craters haven't been covered by sand even though they are surrounded by sand ripples on a flat plain lends support to the idea that they're fairly recent."
Summary is a little too sensational (Score:5, Informative)
I'd hardly interpret that as "it doesn't look good for the little guy".
Re:Summary is a little too sensational (Score:3, Funny)
Rover operators are optimistic they can extricate the robot from its jam
sure thing boss, no problem, get it right out of there (oh crap, we're screwed)
having gotten dug in before
Yes boss, we've done it before, no problem(I can't believe we got stuck dune hopping again, this never happens with my r/c cars at home...)
but we're really going to take our time doing it
It'll only take a little while... (OH @#$& I just dug it in deeper, whats on Monster.com?)
Re:Summary is a little too sensational (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Summary is a little too sensational (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Summary is a little too sensational (Score:2)
Re:Summary is a little too sensational (Score:4, Interesting)
to:
Draw your own conclusions.
Buggalo (Score:2)
I'm sure someone riding a buggalo will fly by soon and rescue it.
Bigger Wheels (Score:2)
Re:Bigger Wheels (Score:2)
Just make sure that it isn't a Hummer H2...those things can break a tierod on anything. *duck*
Re:Bigger Wheels (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technolog
Re:Bigger Wheels (Score:2)
If you're leaving the pavement, send a real rover. [roversnorth.com]
BattleBots (Score:5, Funny)
More info (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:More info (Score:5, Funny)
My wife hasn't moved in a few days either. Being a careful watcher, I am starting to wonder why.
Re:More info (Score:5, Informative)
Wow... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Wow... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:More info (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:More info (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:More info (Score:4, Interesting)
The right wheel (from the perspective of the picture) is perfectly clear. The left wheel looks to be in motion to me.
Re:More info (Score:3, Informative)
Re:More info (Score:2)
HEY!....... HEY YOU! (Score:2)
How about a little help over here.
Dust devil? (Score:3, Interesting)
It might take a while, but hey...
Learn to drive in snow (Score:2, Insightful)
That sucks, but they got their money's worth (Score:5, Informative)
As much as my Nerd Gene wants a manned mission to Mars, it's hard to argue with the scientific value of (relatively) cheap missions like this. NASA shifted in the late 90's to a series of relatively inexpensive probes with a narrow purpose (as opposed to the Voyager-class missions). These probes make sense. For one, there's less financial damage if one fails or is destroyed. And two, they can be put together, tested, and launched more cheaply and more quickly.
And we're getting some excellent science from them. The Mars rovers were an hour-by-hour news story, then a day-by-day news story, there was a lot of public interest in them during those first few days. These kinds of missions are, I think, more crucial to human space exploration than launching a dude to Mars.
There's some things you must have people in space to accomplish, but we've got a lot to learn yet through frugal unmanned space exploration and I hate to see so much of NASA's focus being shifted towards manned operations. Honestly, I hate to see NASA continuing to be involved in the production and operational side of space exploration. I think NASA should be reformulated as a primarily science and research-oriented organization and launch operations should be almost entirely privatized. NASA does too many things and most of it not that well, and none of it efficiently.
Re:That sucks, but they got their money's worth (Score:5, Interesting)
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. All NASA probes are typically given a very short lifetime and very modest expectations, engineering them for much larger goals. Easier to request money from Congress that way, and also less of a PR disaster if something goes wrong.
Images (Score:5, Informative)
I hope they get it out...
Re:Images (Score:3, Interesting)
A la Lancelot (Score:2)
They've probably tried this already... (Score:2)
I've always wondered why they built it with wheels and not tracks though. Guess some of them are wondering the same thing now.
This sucks. Really.
Re:They've probably tried this already... (Score:3, Informative)
Terrestrial Simulations (Score:5, Interesting)
The rover had made it many kilometers, I don't a little sand dune is going to stop it. All the scientists I've spoken to about this seemed optimistic (which was not how they felt about the spirit anomoly back in January 2004) so... I'm not worried just yet.
Does make for some very cool pictures though!
-- Justin
Time for help from the dustdevils again (Score:5, Funny)
Should have sent a H2 instead of a "Rover" (Score:5, Funny)
that aint no crater... (Score:3, Funny)
Wrong guys are driving the thing... (Score:5, Funny)
Why can't they (Score:5, Funny)
I guess that's why I'm not in charge of NASA.
IRTA (Score:3, Funny)
Just let him sleep it off, apart from a headache he'll be alright in the morning.
If only NASA had sprung $50 for a AAA membership (Score:5, Funny)
As it stands, the towing charges are going to be astronomical.
careful on Dune (Score:5, Funny)
Better sensationalized version... (Score:5, Funny)
Some suggestions to get UNstuck... (Score:5, Interesting)
1. Do *not* make things worse by spinning the wheels and digging yourself *in* further.
(You're not rushing so you know this already, but certainly don't spin the wheels)
2. Try to wiggle/dig *out* some clearance between your undercarriage and the sand. The more contact points you have the more friction you need to overcome. (After exhausting all options you may want to use the arms to remove as much sand from around the wheels and undercarriage as is possible. This may ruin the scientific instruments on those arms, but at least you'll better your chances of getting out.)
3. Straighten your wheels as much as possible, but also try to match the entrance route.
(noticed in the picture that one of the wheels is perpendicular to the track line, not a great way to get out.)
4. Use your highest gear and slowly without tire spin, REVERSE!
(It's usually best to go the route you came from, *not* visa versa because you've compacted the sand and you don't want to "plow" anymore)
5. If that is difficult, ROCK the house! Rocking back and forth to create a space to give momentum on the way out is a great way of "punching" through the hard spot. Again, the reverse route is usually the best choice to rock out of. Give one last good pendulum type run at it when you're ready to try to bust out. Rocking forward then at the pinnacle, rock with all you have backwards.
5. Use time to your advantage; keep working at it with the above. You don't want the sand to settle like cement though, so don't just sit there. Further those pesky dust devils may fill your tracks.
6. Perhaps you can use gravity to your advantage on a slope.
I'd wish you good luck, but there is no such thing as luck.
There's only statistically calculated coincidence.
So good "statistical calculating"!
Hello (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Dune? (Score:2)
When the signal from the rover disappears, we finally have proof of life on Mars ;-)
Re:I warned them! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Humor? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Tow Job (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Change type of vehicle? (Score:5, Insightful)
Somebody else mentioned treads as well. I'm guessing these things were considered and discarded due to the extra complexity, weight, and power requirements of those modes of locomotion.
Re:It's okay, it was powered by Windows XP... (Score:5, Funny)