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Resurrection Ecology Gives Life to Old Eggs 582

Ant writes "ABC News reports that scientists are bringing the past to life by hatching eggs once thought to be dead and producing colonies of animals as they existed decades ago. They are calling it 'resurrection ecology,' and it's a whole new field that quite literally allows scientists to observe evolution as it occurred, using animals that were quite different than their kinfolk today."
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  • by suso ( 153703 ) * on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:16PM (#12241410) Journal
    Resurrection Ecology Gives Life to Old Eggs

    Maybe this will put an end to those viagra emails I keep getting too. ;-)
  • They call it 'resurrection ecology', I call it RePet. This goes along well with the last story about SimPal Cindy.
  • Finally! (Score:4, Funny)

    by aendeuryu ( 844048 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:18PM (#12241419)
    Can this possibly be used as an argument for evolution?
    • Can this possibly be used as an argument for evolution?

      Not until zooplankton evolve into seamonkeys it won't.

      • Re:Finally! (Score:3, Informative)

        by ultramk ( 470198 )
        Er, seamonkeys (brine shrimp) are zooplankton. If it can't swim against the current (on a macroscopic level), and it isn't a plant, it's zooplankton.

        Yes, this means most jellyfish are macroscopic zooplankton.
        m-
        • Re:Finally! (Score:5, Funny)

          by Jeremi ( 14640 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @01:21AM (#12241944) Homepage
          If it can't swim against the current (on a macroscopic level), and it isn't a plant, it's zooplankton


          Hmm... by that definition, Stephen Hawking is a zooplankton.... so I think the definition is a bit broad....

          • Re:Finally! (Score:3, Informative)

            by ultramk ( 470198 )
            Yes, it's a broad definition. In fact, it's an extremely broad definition. ...but that's what the definition is.

            Like the definition of "herb": defined (iirc) as any plant without a woody stem.

            m-
    • Re:Finally! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by larley ( 736136 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:22PM (#12241444)
      Not exactly. There have been experiments which, for all intents and purposes, have been solid arguments for evolution. The evidence at this point is overwhelmingly present. However, many do not accept it despite the evidence.

      I mean, this will still not prove it for most creationists, since it will only show what can happen under closed, controlled conditions. It's never realistic enough to change the lives of the people to whom absolute, totally undeniable proof of evolution would be a faith-shattering experience.

      There will always be room for another Scopes Monkey Trial, even today. There are still creationist education groups. It's not like the evidence will be easily accepted by them, either. It will take more than just some simulated ecosystems.
      • Re:Finally! (Score:4, Insightful)

        by A beautiful mind ( 821714 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:42PM (#12241536)
        Yeah, i agree.

        It's just stupid evolution has to be dragged into every single discussion about something biology. When biologists say that they have a scientific consensus about the validity of evolution that means its the same when physicists say this about gravity.

        The people denying evolution are not lacking evidence, they are lacking education.
        • I mean, you have heard of Albert Einstein and the general theory of relativity? Gravity doesn't exist. It's not a force. It's a pseudo- or false force.

          Timespace is curved, and it's that curvature that gives the acceleration. There is no such thing as gravity, just as there is no such thing as centrifugal force.

          So there is a consensus on gravity - and that is that it isn't a valid theory.

          I'd like to point out that there is no real discussion between evolution vs. creationism, except in the minds of people
          • by Mant ( 578427 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @03:22AM (#12242308) Homepage

            Just because gravity isn't a force doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Things fall to earth, mass is attracted to other mass and we call that phenomenon "gravity". The curvature of space-time is an explanation of gravity and the behaviour we see.

            GR, and SR, are really good in certain circumstance, but break down in others. Certainly scientists are looking to both test relativity in the places it works (like the recent satalite frame dragging experiments) and come up with new theories where it breaks downs, ones that will explain both quantum and macro level behaviour.

            Evolution isn't like GR, it doesn't have a equations, it is a much more general observation. In fact, it's more like gravity, stuff falls, animals evolve, the interesting science is in figuring out how and why. Scientists aren't looking to replace evolution but refine it and figure out the specific details.

            The discovery of DNA had a huge impact on evolutionary theory. There is research into how much impact spontaneous mutation has vs gradual section, and is evolution slow and steady vs sudden bursts.

            While you can certainly believe in God and be a scientist, you can't be a Creationist and a (good) scientist. If you reject the outcome of the scientific method because of faith or dogma, you aren't doing good science period. Of course if your area is nothing to do with biology it isn't going to intefere with you science. I'd seriously question the statement "Many scientists are creationists" though.

          • Aren't biologists looking for a better theory than evolution to replace it one day, or have they accepted it as a religion and begun treating it like a faith?

            Not all theories are infinitely reducible. Sometimes science "gets it right." By diligent application of the scientific method, the correct theory may be found. For instance, I doubt many scientists are out there still trying to figure out why the sky is blue, or why fire is hot. The existing theories are sufficient.

            Similarly, I don't think ther
          • by Megasphaera Elsdenii ( 54465 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @04:32AM (#12242508)
            there is no real discussion between evolution vs. creationism

            We appear to be having one right now.

            Aren't biologists looking for a better theory than evolution to replace it one day

            No, not at all; there is not even the slightest hint that Evolution needs replacement; it is simply a very general and succesful a principle. All that is being done is filling out the details.

            Creationism [...] doesn't try to explain the origin of the diverse creatures

            Uh, last time I looked, it did. For instance:

            Believers of creationism [...] accept themselves as created in the image of God as children of God

            You appear to be trying to explain Man's origin right here.

            Many scientists are creationists

            Do you work in science ? I have been working in science (lifesciences) the last 15 years, must have met hundreds of scientists. Only 3 or 4 of them believed in creationism, none of them biologists, and none of them at professor level. It may be different in the U.S., though.


            Do you see how evolution doesn't even really enter the argument for creationists


            Most creationists (and you appear to one of them) are hellbent on 'disproving' evolution and 'proving' 'Intelligent Design' (newspeak for Creation) using nothing more than the bible (itself a text of debatable origin).


            Grow up.

            • Most creationists (and you appear to one of them) are hellbent on 'disproving' evolution and 'proving' 'Intelligent Design' (newspeak for Creation) using nothing more than the bible (itself a text of debatable origin).

              There's a way to make friends and influence people:

              * tell someone they are wrong.
              * justify it using something that the party in the wrong does not believe.
              * turn the argument into a game of uh-huh, nuh-huh.

              It reminds me of people using the Monster of Jekyll Island to tell their creditors w
          • by moz25 ( 262020 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @06:10AM (#12242816) Homepage
            The thing that bugs me about creationism being portrayed as real science is that it has a priori conclusion motivated by a priori beliefs. Do non-religious creationists even exist? (believing in a creator does not require being religious IMO) In practically every discussion I've had with a creationist, they often fast-forward from the "evidence" to plugging their religion. That bothers me, because they seem to be glancing over a whole realm of possibilities even if their initial claims are true.

            To me, that indicates a lot of bias on their part... certainly much more than a biologist who studies living creatures much more closely than any of us does. Creationists are inherently more biased since (from their view), being right means potentially having an eternal life. For them, there is much more at stake.

            You are right in a sense about the scientific method [wikipedia.org]: scientists are always looking for ways to improve or replace theories. We hold on to theories because they provide the best possible explanation and (quantifiable) prediction of phenomena. If a better theory comes along, that doesn't mean previous ones are entirely invalidated. Usually (as with the theory of relativity), you will see that they are more accurate in certain ranges (e.g. very high speeds). You can still use Newton's theories for a whole range of applications.

            How much do you actually scrutinize the holy book of your religion? Crucial events described in your book are rather vague or conflicting. Who are the authors? How did they come by the information? Can they be trusted? Who controls the exact translations and makes sure their (subtle) meaning stays intact? That's just some examples of critical questions you could ask if you weren't so eager to accept the conclusion.

            To come back to the non-religious creationist thing: even if you can make a scientific case that things were designed by a super-natural force, that still does not mean that this force is the same as classical views of deities dictate, but rather an entity or group of entities outside our reality. Whether or not this entity is directly involved in humanity or its destiny is then the next major hurdle... and maybe even a bigger one. Certainly one that a true critical thinker would be interested in.

            I'm interested in hearing your view on these points.
      • Re:Finally! (Score:2, Interesting)

        by zippthorne ( 748122 )
        adaptation is not evolution (or proof of evolution) nor is extinction evolution (or proof of it) There is only one way to prove that evolution is possible: run an experiment in which speciation occurs. An experiment in which an actual new species develops from an existing one.

        Organisms are considered of the same species if they are capable of producing offspring which can also reproduce. (I am not sure how to define it for asexual organisms, though obviously the first experiments will take place in this
        • Re:Finally! (Score:5, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 15, 2005 @12:25AM (#12241711)
          But speciation has been observed. The Australian Eastern Rosella had a range extending from near Adelaide in South Australia to the Macpherson Ranges in SE Queensland. The sprcies had a continuous variation in colouring though this range from SW to NE. You could take a pair of birds of opposite gender and they would mate without needing any particular prompting.

          In the 1930's the Murrumbidgee Irragation Project destroyed a large slab of habitat in the center of the range of the bird. There were now two populations of Eastern Rosellas. In each group colouration tended to the mean of each region, with the result that now birds of opposite gender from the two regions will not interbreed without major human intervention (colouring the birds, or feeding them sex hormones etc).

          Given that the definition of species is a population of organisms that will mate and reproduce spontaneously under natural conditions, the Eastern Rosella is a text book case of Speciation, as outlined in the Origin of Species.

          The "no new species have been observed" objection is dead in the water. Note also that we're not talking about plankton or bacteria or virus here - we are talking about a parrot a bit bigger than a pidgeon.
          • organisms that *can* mate and produce offspring capable of same.

            This does sound as close as any evidence so far however, since unwilling and unable produce the same end result - extinct. Can you point in the direction of more information?

            I know i'm splitting hairs here, but it would be nice to have undeniable evidence, non? The point is that we haven't, with the possible exception of the example you cited, any direct observation of evolution (in higher species). A counterexample by analogy would be the
            • look harder (Score:3, Informative)

              by tehdaemon ( 753808 )
              His example is not a 'possible exception' There are dozens like it. Google for 'ring species' for starters.

              As for the difference between unwilling and unable, give it time. Any reasonable estimate as to how long such an event would take runs into hundred(s) of generations. We simply haven't had enough time for one to take place. Now, you can prove that it has taken place, but you have to accept genetic evidence for it. There is tons of genetic evidence for 'speciation' that has resulted in 'unable' but cre

            • by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:00AM (#12242081)
              I refer you to http://www.birdsaustralia.com.au/aoc/ , in the 2001 conference, paper 61 "Evolutionary Isolates and Cryptic Species in Australian Birds, Basis Nature: What to call Species" for a reasonably recent discussion of this issue.

              However I was first aware of this in 1992, I can't recall the original source, but it was fairly well known in Population Ecology Circles in Australia at the time.

              I can also refer you to www.geocities.com/pb56_au/mtbuffalo/ student/activities/speciation.PDF which illustrates the debate on this issue. Note that the species in central NSW have vanished, so in the map in this document imagine varieties that filled the concave side of the curved range shown.

              You are of cource correct that my "definition" was too lax, and I'll accept your correction on this. It doesnt dilute the point I was making however.
        • Re:Finally! (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Mant ( 578427 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @05:40AM (#12242714) Homepage

          Evolution doesn't require similar faith. It requires some faith, because all science does. Faith that if lots of people observe something, we can take it that that thing is actually happening. Faith in cause and effect. Faith that the universe is consistent in the rules it follows, they won't all change tomorrow, and didn't all change yesterday (and when they did change, like the very early universe, there were rules and reasons to it).

          Evolution is based on observations, scientists started with some observed facts, came up with a hypothesis and looked for evidence to back it up.

          Now, scientists have been wrong in the past, science is a process after all. So far though there hasn't been any alternative hypothesis that holds up nearly as well, while evolution has moved from hypothesis to theory.

          Creationism comes from myths and a time when people explained things they didn't understand with magic and gods. People believe in it now because they were taught it, or because it is written in the bible.

          There is a difference between believing something because it is the best explanation science currently has to offer, and believing something because it's a very old myth. Of course you can blindly cling to scientific theories irrationally when presented with differing facts, and that is as unreasonable as blindly clinging to religious beliefs when presented with alternate facts.

    • Yes, of course it can be, but it only helps prove micro-evolution (variations within a species over different generations), which has already been well documented and proven. It doesn't do much for macro-evolution, or the development of new species. Personally I think taking the leap from micro to macro evolution is a longshot.

      I'd rather be right about evolution being wrong rather than wrong about evolution being right.
  • Evolution? (Score:5, Funny)

    by psychgeek ( 838231 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:19PM (#12241423)
    How does this demonstrate evolution? Don't they know the eggs were planted there just to fool them???
    • Re:Evolution? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by sumdumass ( 711423 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:48PM (#12241557) Journal
      Well on a serious note, how do they know that the eggs that were dormant don't have some problem with them in the first place wich is why they were dormant?

      I mean, would somethign that was perfectly healthy and able to succed in life be dormant for no reason? If so then has the process of being dormant in any way changed the creature once they are hatched. How do we know what is discovered is any more acurate then the imagination of scientist that already try to point out the differences.
  • makes you wonder.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by qewl ( 671495 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:21PM (#12241437)
    Just KNOWING that creatures an be a hatched after that long stalled period makes you wonder about what life really is.. Offtopic, but this seems to help imply that death and birth don't really have beginnings or ends. Kind of scary to me at least.
  • woohoo (Score:4, Informative)

    by iosmart ( 624285 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:21PM (#12241438)
    More SEA MONKEYS!
    http://ut.water.usgs.gov/shrimp/ [usgs.gov] "The life cycle of Artemia begins from a dormant cyst that contains an embryo in a suspended state of metabolism (known as diapause). The cysts are very hardy and may remain viable for many years if kept dry."
  • Not Dead, Dormant. (Score:5, Informative)

    by Omkar ( 618823 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:22PM (#12241442) Homepage Journal
    As the article says (in the headline, at least), scientists made dormant eggs hatch by putting them under the right conditions. "They found that eggs that had been trapped beneath the sediment years ago had never hatched, but miraculously, were still alive."

    It may be a landmark - I have no idea - but it's not resurrection.
    • by metlin ( 258108 )

      Bah, who cares for semantics when you can have sensationalism?

      Is it me or does the Red Queen Hypothesis also sound a lot like good ole' survival of the fittest thing that Darwin fella' had put forward?
  • by Leontes ( 653331 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:23PM (#12241447)
    This is freaking awesome. Jurassic park, except less Jurassic and more like last week, but I think anything that aids with understanding how evolution occurs is good for our possible survival as a species. We should make entire ecosystems of our own private galapagos, with different generations of creatures, to see if survival mutations end up being the same. I think it's an interesting idea, to really think of species as more as a temporal thing than just genetically different from others of their kind, they are different from others of their own family minus generations.

    Human beings of eighty years ago would have been able to deal with this impending crisis much more efficiently, let's bring some of that natural genetic drift back, for example. Sort of gets away from another accidentally arbitrary classifications.
  • by Flywheels of Fire ( 836557 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:24PM (#12241451) Homepage

    I thought "de-volving" DNA was a 50's sci-fi movie myth. I understand that it is sometimes possible, at least in theory, to "turn on" suppressed DNA, and that one could mutate and selectively breed modern species into creatures with traits resembling extinct species, but without the full genome of the extinct species to "rewrite" your modern genome into a copy of, you would just end up with a vaguely dinosuar-like [mithuro.com] modified bird, which would exhibit any mistaken assumptions of the breeders.

    Simply put, a bird would not "revert" into a real dinosaur, it would evolve into an immitation dinosaur. As far as frozen mammoth thread goes, I think it should be possible to reconstruct the mammoth genome from frozen DNA, as I understand that DNA is much more stable than most other organic structures. Once you had your genome to work from, if you had the time and money to devote vast biotech rescources I suppose a mammoth zygote could be synthesized, but it would be immpossible to guess the cost or time involved anywhere within several orders of magnitude. I have no proffesional training in any of this, I'm just an informed interested person throwing in my $0.02 worth in. However, if I was a betting man, I'd put my money on the mammoth resurrection group over the bird devolution group without a second thought!

  • by noelo ( 661375 )
    it sounds like a plot for a good movie...I wonder if hollywood would be interested... quick to the batmobile.....
  • by Bifurcati ( 699683 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:26PM (#12241466) Homepage
    Not that I want to egg them on, but this is an eggstremely interesting eggsample of geneggic research. It eggstends the life of these species, so they can eggsist longer, before they eggsit this life. I hope they eggsplore the eggconomical option for less eggspensive procedures, and eggsceed their eggspectations.

    Most eggcellent!

  • Structure & Energy (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Quirk ( 36086 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:26PM (#12241467) Homepage Journal
    Life when considered in the form of a spore is structure, which when energy (food) is added, becomes life. Life is structure and energy.
  • Wohooo!!!! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Tree131 ( 643930 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:26PM (#12241471)
    Let's hear it for the Dodo Bird!!!
    Those things must have been tasty if they went so extinct.

    Maybe I'll get to taste one in my lifetime...
    • Actually I thought they tasted gross (kinda oily meat) but their eggs on the other hand..... Then again, if you have been eating pickled pig parts on a ship for the better half of a year, maybe dodo meat wasn't so bad.
  • by metlin ( 258108 )
    Poached or Bulls Eye? Over easy?

    Nope, I like 'em alive and kicking.

    Jokes aside, this is cool - but wasn't it already known that only the fittest survive? How is the Red Queen Hypothesis any different?

    Or are they both saying the same thing, and the resurrection ecology is merely confirming it?
    • How is the Red Queen hypothesis any different?

      Good question - but I think the answer centers around the question whether an environment can be stable enough for an organism to not bother evolving for a while, or whether the presence of competitors forces organisms to continue to evolve.

      For example, if you are the only thing filling a particular ecological niche and nothing is gnawing on your leg, then you (as a population, not as an individual) don't have a particular need to get stronger, smarter, more

  • Microevolution (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Rob Carr ( 780861 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:27PM (#12241476) Homepage Journal
    These eggs show microevolution to be a fact, although most creationists will accept that. Microevolution is the mutation of a species to better adapt to it's surroundings by small amounts that do not create new species.

    The startling point is that we're talking about only 100 years. Given the number of generations the Daphnia can manage in that time, I guess I shouldn't be so surprised.

    But think: if you can get that much useful change in such a short amount of time, how much more can occur over hundreds of thousands of years?

    • Re:Microevolution (Score:4, Interesting)

      by lheal ( 86013 ) <{moc.oohay} {ta} {9991laehl}> on Friday April 15, 2005 @12:02AM (#12241608) Journal
      From TFA:
      About 80 years ago, when the predators were all over the place, the Daphnia retrocurva extended the size of its helmet and spines to make itself less appetizing. Later, when the number of predators shrank, the animal reduced the size of those features, thus conserving its energy for other uses.

      The researchers had hit pay dirt. The changes in
      Daphnia retrocurva were precisely what would have been expected as part of the predator-prey interaction.

      Furthermore, DNA analysis shows that the changes were passed on genetically from one generation to the next, until they were no longer needed, thus confirming that the researchers had caught evolution in the act.

      I'm not a Creationist. But I can't help thinking critically about stuff like this. There are a few holes in the picture that make it hard for me to buy TFA's conclusions.

      For instance, the bugs grew uglier so they wouldn't get eaten. How did they do that? But let's suppose they did. The article claims their DNA actually changed. I don't get that at all.

      It seems more likely that when there were more predators only the ugly bugs survived to leave eggs. The others got eaten. But their DNA didn't change, the tasty-looking bugs just got weeded out.

      In other words the DNA of the uglier bugs looks different because their parents were ugly. The problem with calling it an evolutionary change is that a subsequent generation was pretty again. If the DNA had in fact changed, they would have stayed ugly.

      Or is it late and I'm missing something obvious?

      • It's not that they "grew" more spiney.... some of them did by chance while others didn't. THose that didn't got eaten. Those taht did lived on to procreate.
      • Re:Microevolution (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Jeremi ( 14640 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @01:17AM (#12241937) Homepage
        Or is it late and I'm missing something obvious?


        Imagine an n-dimensional graph, with each possible bug quality expressed as one axis on the graph. In fact, to make it easier to visualize, let's simplify the problem down to just two dimensions for now: spininess and helmet size. We'll have have spininess indicated by the position along the X axis, and helmet size indicated by the position along the Y axis.


        Any particular bug will have a given amount of spininess and a given size helmet, and thus we can assign it a point on the 2-D graph. Now, when that bug has children, its children will either be identical to it (and thus be represented by the same point on the graph), or slightly different (in which case they will be represented by nearby points). We'll assume that since the differences in the children are due to chance (i.e. random gene mutations, luck of the draw in selecting a mate, etc), that the childrens' locations on the graph will show up as a small "cloud" of points, roughly centered on the parent's point.


        Now we throw some predators into the mix. These predators will (for whatever reason) have a preference for eating bugs of a certain quality -- in this case, they prefer bugs with smaller helmets and less spines, since they are easier to swallow. So, to represent the predators eating the bugs, we will randomly erase some of the dots on the graph -- and the key point is -- we will make it so that the closer the bug's dot is to the lower left (i.e. low spininess and small helmet size) the more likely that bug is to get eaten and his dot erased.


        Now, run the simulation for a few generations, and it should become clear what happens -- at each generation, each bug spawns, causing his dot to be surrounded by his children's dots, in a small cloud centered on him. But the dots in the lower left portion of the cloud get eaten more than the dots at the upper right portion of the cloud. So, when it's time for the next generation to spawn children, the grandchildren are (on average) a bit farther up and to the right than before.


        Now speed up the simulation to a good 30fps, and here's what you will see: it looks like the little clouds of dots are moving up and to the right! Of course, none of the dots themselves ever actually move ... a bug isn't able to change his spininess or helmet size. But the clouds move, because dots are being created randomly, but destroyed with a bias based on the predators' preferences.

        ... and the one day people dredged the lake (or whatnot) and the predators were mostly killed. Suddenly having giant spines and a big helmet no longer make any difference to the bugs -- they won't get eaten either way. What makes a difference now is energy efficiency -- bugs that can survive the longest on the least food are the ones that can reproduce the most. In this new scenario, it's the bugs who spend extra calories growing giant (useless) spines and helmets that are more likely to die without reproducing, and now the point-clouds are being "pushed" back to the lower left of the graph.


        And of course in reality the graph has any number of dimensions, not just two... and I'm sure I'm oversimplifying a number of other factors as well... but that is the gist of it.

      • Re:Microevolution (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Scarblac ( 122480 )

        t seems more likely that when there were more predators only the ugly bugs survived to leave eggs. The others got eaten.

        Congratulations, that is exactly what evolution is.

        But their DNA didn't change, the tasty-looking bugs just got weeded out.

        On average, next generations will be uglier because more of their parents were ugly. Not all of them will get ugly kids though - just a lot more than before. That means the population as a whole got uglier.

        In other words the DNA of the uglier bugs looks differ

    • Re:Microevolution (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Zapdos ( 70654 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @06:22AM (#12242854)
      This just proves the need for genetic diversity within a species
      This research doesn't show a change in the animal, just a change in population ratios. During the time when there were a greater number of predators more of the small helmeted animals were eaten and therefore produced fewer eggs. Once the threat was over the ratios returned to normal levels.

  • Huge gains (Score:2, Informative)

    by Kagura ( 843695 )
    Already, scientists have made huge strides in their research using this technique. Thanks to new technology and innovation, more and more creatures are able to be 'reanimated' in this way.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:32PM (#12241497)
    Hatching long dormant eggs is interesting, I wish the article had more about that in it. I have always been fascinated by the fact that wheat from Pharoh's tombs in Egypt has been sprouted.

    However, this article merely takes that interesting subject and attempts yet again to twist it into another prove of the theory of evolution. The mass media does that with any major story in the life sciences area.
  • Regenerate! (Score:2, Funny)

    by Yonsen ( 866784 )
    Regenerate, brought to you by the Umbrella Corporation.
  • Unlocking the past (Score:4, Insightful)

    by michael83r ( 873727 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:54PM (#12241583)
    Just wait till researchers bring back a disease that that has been laying dormant for millions of years that wipes the entire human race out.. lol, but i do think what they are doing is cool. I'm sure alot will be learned.
  • by kangpeh ( 875381 ) on Thursday April 14, 2005 @11:57PM (#12241589)
    If you guys had taken the time to read the article prior to posting a response, you would have realized the article talks about evolution throughout its entire contents. It then goes on to explain that "sunlight and warmth" (page 3, website) were given to the eggs, and they hatched. This, is NOTHING like Jurassic Park. This is basically just preservation of eggs from long ago which were able to be warmed and hatched many years later. It then talks about how they could see evolution take place within these new life forms. Hopefully, in the future, you guys can appreciate the fact that a submission was made and accepted because it was a genuinely interesting article/topic, rather than another attempt for someone to be the 'first post'. You guys are not trolls, nor do you have to be. That isn't how you get on in life. Being a troll will get you nowhere. If you can troll, then you probably have enough skill to get a job making $10/hour at minimum. Go out there and get that job. If you are a troll making more than that, however, then I look at you in disgust.
    • I automate all of my trolls.

      Who has time for the simple things in life, like trolling on slashdot. I know I certainly dont.

      Besides....Its a TROLL. its not like people pay attention to them. Often times my trolls are just random character strings. Sometimes these random trolls do sound like MS bashing, but who knows. I cant predict the future.

  • This new-fangled 'resurrection ecology' has "bio-hazard" written all over it.

    While in our Politically Correct Era the focus is on how mankind has exploited the eco-system - let's not be too quick to jump on the band wagon of thinking this is a wonderfull way to bring back the Do-do and other species that came to an abrubt end in modern history.

    Exploitation of wildlife resources is only one of many reasons.
    Another reason is because ecology changes and those species not well suited to adapt to the new envir
    • You see -- it's called NATURAL SELECTION for a reason.

      Who calls it that? Are we unnatural? At what point did natural selection stop being natural when it comes to us? Isn't everything we do inherently natural? Or are we gods who are totally seperate from the processes that created us?

  • So now what? :P
  • by WormholeFiend ( 674934 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @12:35AM (#12241758)
    for samples of microorganisms from Lake Vostok [nationalgeographic.com]
  • From the article: Daphnia retrocurva are zooplankton that live in lake waters for one summer and then die, leaving eggs behind. Scientists have found eggs that didn't hatch for years -- and are hatching them to see how the animal has adapted over time. (University of New Hampshire)

    We're not talking about bringing back Dodos!
  • From the article:About 80 years ago, when the predators were all over the place, the Daphnia retrocurva extended the size of its helmet and spines to make itself less appetizing. Later, when the number of predators shrank, the animal reduced the size of those features, thus conserving its energy for other uses.

    I've had a few dates that had big helmets, big spines. And, really, they weren't appetizing!! :-P

    The researchers had hi

  • Originally, the scientists thought that they changed to become less apealing to predators, then when predator population died out, they changed back.

    The researchers found that the specimens in the lab changed and then later changed back, just as fossil records had shown.

    If anything this disproves evolution as the cause.

    Did they have predators and competition in the lab? It wasn't mentioned and I highly doubt they recreated the lake.

    They removed the predators and the same thing still happened. This dis

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