Top 10 Evolutionary Adaptations 716
oneill40 writes "The New Scientist has an interesting article up listing the Top 10 most amazing things to have evolved, including sex, death, the eye, language and parasites!" From the article:"Sponges are a key example of multicellular life, an innovation that transformed living things from solitary cells into fantastically complex bodies. It was such a great move, it evolved at least 16 different times. Animals, land plants, fungi and algae all joined in." J adds: Number four, Language, got a careful look from Carl Zimmer a while back. It's Pinker vs. Chomsky, winner take all, pass the popcorn!
language (Score:4, Funny)
really? by reading slashdot, it feels more like devolution to me!
Re:language (Score:5, Funny)
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OMG n0 w4y!!111 (Score:4, Insightful)
really? by reading slashdot, it feels more like devolution to me!
OMG u R teh st00p1D!!11!eleventy-leven!!WTFBBQQED!!111!
Gah - how can people actually communicate that way? That sentence alone (such as it was) made me feel icky.
Perhaps Coneasfast is correct...
Re:goethe and darwin (Score:3, Interesting)
1. This is the quintessential example of the argument from incredulity. The source making the claim usually quotes Darwin saying that the evolution of the eye seems "absurd in the highest degree". However, Darwin follows that statement with a three-and-a-half-page proposal of intermediate stages through which eyes might have evolved via gradual steps (Darwin 187
Nilsson and Pelger overlook a lot of stuff... (Score:3)
Foranotherex, the step from, for example, a skin-covered depression to a genuinely useful lens is a lot more than 1%.
Forathirdex, even ignoring all other genetic factors to do
DNA - Missing from the list (Score:5, Insightful)
And More... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:And More... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:DNA - Missing from the list (Score:2)
It's also possible that people think DNA was just always around and so isn't exactly an invention, which is untrue as far as science knows, or at least that I re
Re:DNA - Missing from the list (Score:5, Insightful)
It is less stable than DNA but is has shown to be able of enzymatic activity.
RNA is still used as a katalytic agent in cells (rRNA for example).
It therefore possess two very import biologic attributes: it can hold information and it can influence its environment by means of katalysis.
So it could be the ultimate first replicator.
It was a very popular hypothesis (don't know if it still is) that life started with RNA (google for "RNA world" or something)
DNA didn't "evolve" as per the theory of evoluion. (Score:5, Interesting)
And if you don't have DNA, you don't have imperfectly-replicating life forms, which means that you don't have evolution. As such, you cannot use evolution to go from the stage where there is no DNA to where there is, because it involves at least one step where you don't have reproducing life forms.
Re:DNA didn't "evolve" as per the theory of evolui (Score:4, Informative)
Re:DNA didn't "evolve" as per the theory of evolui (Score:4, Informative)
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Arceobacteria,Proteobacteria, and Cyanobacteria [columbia.edu] are the oldest, and all have a nucleoid ( non-membrane region containing one circular DNA molecule -- one circular chromosome).
The membrane is not a defining attribute for DNA use. First DNA developed, then the cell evolved a purse to stash it in.
DNA may or may not be the basal component of what constitues life, but once you get past its presence, things look pretty mechanical, not organic.
Re:So HOW did cells evolve from inert matter? (Score:3, Informative)
According to the RNA world idea, early Earth had these strands of RNA floating around that served as self-replicating genes/proteins. But the environment is very hostile to such critters. So they take up squatting in these proto-cell m
Re:DNA - Missing from the list (Score:3, Informative)
Re:DNA - Missing from the list (Score:4, Insightful)
-matthew
Re:DNA - Missing from the list (Score:4, Informative)
NPR STORY [npr.org]
Bad News (Score:5, Funny)
And talk about missing options sheesh! Best evolutionary adaptation? I vote breasts!
Re:Bad News (Score:5, Interesting)
Are you referring to the original development of the lactating teat or the exaggerated secondary sexual characteristic in adult human females?
The latter is just a display trait, and other than the interesting matter of being tied to human females being effectively in a permanent state of heat (not sure if this is unique among mammals, but I know it's at least quite rare), it's fairly uninteresting.
The lactating teat on the other hand is quite a remarkable development, and while I'm not sure I'd put it up there with language, you could make the argument that things like language are possible BECAUSE of the developments (like this one) which allow the young to experience a prolonged development stage outside of the womb. This prolonged development in turn makes the development of a more complex brain far more practical.
So, I half agree with you, they're pretty darned important, though I consider the reduced number of young and proportionally reduced number of teats on primates to be a bit of a step backward...
Re:Beat to the Punch (Score:2, Funny)
The single most amazing evolutionary adaptation is (Score:2, Funny)
In fact, if ever there was evidence of an omnipotent diety, YOU are it! Obviously, God exists and in your case, he had a terrible accident!
Language genetic vs. memetic (Score:2, Insightful)
I am not buying language as an object of biological evolution at all. At best, it seems to be an expressed meme, rather than a genetic advancement, or a trait that can be selected for. Also, I am not buying the facts expressed in the article abotu language. Haven't we taught chimps and apes sign language? Aren't there example of such creatures telling us things spontaneously (the most recent example was when the chimp told some scientists that it had
Re:Language genetic vs. memetic (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Language genetic vs. memetic (Score:2)
The capacity for language is genetic. However, the actual use of that capacity is a learned trait (something like a meme).
More than likely, the use developed several generations after the capacity came about in the gene pool.
Why then, would the linguistic phenotype be selected for when it is not being utilized by those first few generations?
Re:Language genetic vs. memetic (Score:5, Interesting)
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This is the core of Pinker vs. Chomskey argument (Score:3, Interesting)
Chomskey talks about a major factor that seems unique to humans language, recursion. We can mer
Re:Language genetic vs. memetic (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Language genetic vs. memetic (Score:3, Informative)
The fact that other animals learn language is completely irrelevant. Two different machines can perform the same task, and do it in completely different ways. Animal language appears to be one example of this concept. The animals MAY be proficient with language (my opinion is that they are) but their brains don't have the same mechanisms that humans have. Animals also have problems with syntax, because humans h
It's almost too easy... (Score:5, Funny)
incomplete list (Score:3, Funny)
Re:incomplete list (Score:2)
A breast comment was modded insightful.
I love this place.
What about the thumb? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:What about the thumb? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What about the thumb? (Score:3, Funny)
The most amazing evolutionary result... (Score:5, Funny)
*ducks*
Re:The most amazing evolutionary result... (Score:3, Funny)
Why the Eye is not a proof of "intelligent design" (Score:3, Informative)
You don't see any of these deficiencies in an octopuses' eye. So God's supposed "crowning creation" has worse vision than the lowly
Re:Why the Eye is not a proof of "intelligent desi (Score:3, Interesting)
But we know a lot more today that Darwin knew. In particular, our knowledge of biochemistry is more advanced. We now know that all sorts of biochemical reactions are sensitive to light. It is almost inevitable
Re:Why the Eye is not a proof of "intelligent desi (Score:5, Insightful)
Why does it matter where the photo-receptors are physically if they can be logically connected in any way?
Re:Why the Eye is not a proof of "intelligent desi (Score:3, Interesting)
First, you quoted a different sentence than the one that stated that the photoreceptors are backwards.
I think that what he means are that the photoreceptors are positioned BEHIND the ganglion and bipolar cells, which seems a very poor choice for cells allegedly 'designed' to receive light coming in from the pupil. It would make more sense to have the photoreceptors right up front, where the light ca
Re:Why the Eye is not a proof of "intelligent desi (Score:4, Funny)
Uh Oh. What if the octopus is the crown of creation and humans are just here for their amusment. That would explain a lot.
Re:Why the Eye is not a proof of "intelligent desi (Score:5, Interesting)
4. Lost the ability to see in ultra-violet.
From a study of 'opsins', the chemical molecules that convert light into electrons, and enable vision to work, many small animals and insects have the ability see these wavelengths. Humans seem to have lost this ability, due to the increased refraction at short wavelengths caused by larger eyes.
5. To be able to visualize magnetic field lines.
Magnetically sensitive molecules have been found in avian retinas. The theory is that these could appear as some sort of overhead display in the bird's mind (although, nothing more than lines running across the field of view, or maybe a pair of light/dark spots).
6. To be able to visualize polarised light (as used by the octopus). Underwater, light is polarized by the reflection of light reflected off fish scales. Many fish try and camouflage themselves by trying to match the optical intensity of their surroundings. For simple predators this works, but more complex creatures
such as the octopus are not fooled.
Also, polarized light can be used to signal to other members of the species without attracting undue attention.
7. Or having 16 visual pigments like the Stomatopod [berkeley.edu], which is also known to use polarised light to signal to others of the same species (And which also has stereo vision using one eye).
Re:Why the Eye is not a proof of "intelligent desi (Score:3, Funny)
Re:The most amazing evolutionary result... (Score:3)
If you consider that "groupthink" has an advantage in natural selection (grouping people with common traits, greater numbers are more defensible), then, yes, Creationism really is an amazing evolutionary adaptation. Any tendency for humans to form cliques is an example of this.
Re:The most amazing evolutionary result... (Score:3, Insightful)
Religions as evolving parasites ? (Score:4, Interesting)
Imagine that : religions appear and mutate randomly, and only the liveliest branches, the ones most able to hold out against reality and other religions gain followers and thus multiply...
The sexual evolution! (Score:4, Funny)
"However useful sex may be now that we've got it, that doesn't tell us anything about how it got started"
Are they kidding? I'm sure it was a 'double dog dare' on a Tuesday afternoon in the garden of eden.
what about alcohol metabolism? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:what about alcohol metabolism? (Score:4, Interesting)
This is true. I've travelled a bit in Europe and have done the tourist things like the guided tours of whatever castle or fortress, and there's always the story about how the soldiers were rationed x amount of beer a day, because the water was too unsafe to drink, and, well, nobody had any use of a sick soldier (drunken soldiers are a whole other issue :). You also hear similar stories when you do brewery and winery tours.
Trying to get a feel for evolution in america - (Score:3, Interesting)
I really wish one of those researchers would spend some time responding to this guy, the owner of a website called Evolution, a Fairytale for Grownups! [evolutionfairytale.com] A lot of the features mentioned in the article come up on his site, although argued against in an un-proffesional manner (for more adult discussion he also posts debates that he's won.
For all the evidence presented by popular media and through the education system, there seem to be a lot of people, including scientists, who can't accept evolutionary theory, and dismiss it as propaganda. [darwinism-watch.com]
Considering the recent "Just a theory" textbook-sticker fiasco, there are a lot of big divides going on in America right now. Now, since this is Slashdot, the responses are going to be quite biased, but do you Americans find that a lot of friends, co-workers and family don't accept evolutionary theory?
Re:Trying to get a feel for evolution in america - (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Trying to get a feel for evolution in america - (Score:4, Insightful)
The solution? Likely not to happen while Christian Conservatives still hold popular sway in politics, nor until science figures out how to convey its teachings to the lowest common denominator.
Re:Trying to get a feel for evolution in america - (Score:5, Insightful)
Dishonest creationist tactic #874: list, as support for creationism, the names of "creationist Scientists" whose work was not in any field related to biology, whose work did not support any actual creationist claims and most of whom were dead before Charles Darwin was even born, much less published Origin (though Faraday didn't die until 1867, but that's hardly time for a non-biologist to fully examine the evidence for evolution and draw conclusions).
Re:Trying to get a feel for evolution in america - (Score:4, Funny)
For instance; for every creationist scientist you can name, I can name two scientists who believe that creationism is utter rubbish. In fact, I'll do one better: for every creationish scientist you can name, I can name two scientists named steve, who believe that creationism is utter rubbish.
Dr. Stephen T. Abedon, Ph.D., Microbiology, University of Arizona
Dr. Stephen B. Aley, Ph.D., Biology, Rockefeller University
Dr. Steven I. Altchuler, Ph.D., Nutritional Biochemistry and Metabolism
Dr. Stephen W. Arch, Ph.D., Biology, University of Chicago
Dr. Stevan J. Arnold, Ph.D., Zoology, University of Michigan
Dr. Stephen M. Arthur, Ph.D., Wildlife Biology, University of Maine
Dr. Steven W. Barger, Ph.D., Cell Biology, Vanderbilt University
Dr. Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D., Biology, Vanderbilt University
Dr. Stephen Beckerman, Ph.D., Anthropology, University of New Mexico
Dr. Stephen M. Beverley, Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of California
However, this is all really academic. Biology is a science. Evolution is a scientific theory, as there are simple tests one could devise to disprove it. Creationism is not a scientific theory because it is not disprovable; any evidence to the contrary can be explained away by God's omnipotence.
I doubt anyone objects particularly to Creationism being taught as a religious viewpoint. What most people object to is Creationism being taught as a science, when it is trivial to prove that it is nothing of the sort.
Re:Creation not science/Evolution not science eith (Score:3, Insightful)
Not believing in something is not the same as hating it.
It is pretty miraculous, in the way that 66 separate accounts tainted by human influence and church bureaocracy represent the truth of all things. Funny how those in the early church kept all the right writings and threw away all the writings that were
Re:Trying to get a feel for evolution in america - (Score:5, Insightful)
A huge number of people, otherwise homosexuality wouldn't be descriminated against by law, nor would drugs, gambling, prostitution, buying cars on Sunday, and all sorts of other things be prohibited in at least a few places in the US.
If my sins don't affect you, then why are you (generic, not personal) telling me what I can do in my own home with consenting adults behind locked doors?
Re:Trying to get a feel for evolution in america - (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, for starters, I didn't say closed minded. I said narrow perspective, which is exactly what it is. If you equate that to closed minded, well so be it. The difference, to me, is that people with less experience, less education, and less knowledge tend to have a narrower perspective. That doesn't make them closed minded, however. Closed minded implies a decision to not accept anything that doesn't agree with your beliefs. While there are many a v
Re:Trying to get a feel for evolution in america - (Score:3, Insightful)
Wake me up when the creationists debate in an unbiased forum.
Re:Trying to get a feel for evolution in america - (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Trying to get a feel for evolution in america - (Score:3, Insightful)
Darwin's observations are pretty easily accessable, so most pre-college biology classes don't really go any deeper than that. Unfortunately, they're re
Re:Trying to get a feel for evolution in america - (Score:3, Insightful)
It's the best explanation for currently observed phenomenon, but I'd hardly call any scientific theory "infallable". All theories are subject to revision in change; that is the nature of science. There is no scientific explanation that could not be potentially falsified.
Re:Trying to get a feel for evolution in america - (Score:3, Informative)
Photosynthesis (Score:4, Insightful)
survival in the wild now depends on only 2 things: (Score:2)
I must say, though, leaving out the evolution of the opposable thumb is pretty shocking. Without an opposable thumb, how do I press the button on my digital watch?!
Correction (Score:2, Funny)
No, its not called a sponge, its called a falafel thing.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackr
-Bill
More from Carl Zimmer: Resurrecting the Genome (Score:5, Interesting)
He also wrote this article some time ago that talked about Resurrecting the Genome [corante.com]. Here [corante.com] is another article (by him) on the same topic, that appeared on NY Times.
Re:More from Carl Zimmer: Resurrecting the Genome (Score:3, Interesting)
When you consider that rodents breed far, far faster than primates, it makes sense that they would also evolve far, far faster.
It would take a lot less time for non-essential code to get worked out of the system through random mutation.
I'm not a biologist either, but I remember my classes.
m-
Re:More from Carl Zimmer: Resurrecting the Genome (Score:5, Informative)
I'm sure many of you (who wanted to know anyways) have come across this but this is the cat's meow for evolutionary arguments. It is designed to be easy to read, but it does not pander to the lowest common denominator (in fact far from it).
If you haven't read it, you WILL learn something new.
Evolution is Blind (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not accusing the people who anthropromorphize as being bad scientists - I'm sure that they have the proper understanding of evolution and natural selection and similar concepts within their mind. However, what you have to realize is that your audience may not. Making consistent use of words like innovation and discovery, and general verbs associated with multicellular life makes the article sound more like journalism than science.
I realize that it's probably convenient to not have to worry about portraying modern evolutionary theory in the right manner, but it's also responsible. I wouldn't be bringing this up if I didn't run into it every single day - we anthropromorphize to such a degree that eventually we ourselves begin to believe that evolution really is a deliberate mechanism that acts towards creating the "perfect" life form.
Re:Evolution is Blind (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Evolution is Blind (Score:3, Insightful)
Aha, but that's because you are fully aware it's a program. Metaphors are indeed both powerful and efficient, I'm not arguing that. But in order that they may be used, people have to know what parts of the metaphor reflect the subject, and which parts are superfluous.
The p
Re:Evolution is Blind (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah, evolution doesn't like it when you do that.
Linux?? (Score:2)
It's an adaptation in response to commercial software companies, and it was(is) evolutionary!!
Bottom 10 Evolutionary advances (Score:5, Funny)
1. tonsils - create more problems than they're worth. F*cking swelling, soreness and sleep apnea.
2. appendix - that's a winner.
3. coccyx - I had to look this up to spell this useless thing right.
4. funny bone - this has never made me laugh. It has helped with new curse words though.
5. needing sleep - 8 hours-c'mon, can't we evolve down to 2 or so.
6. the knee - there has got to be a better way- stretched ligaments, torn ACL's etc.
7. religion - nuff said.
8. ingrown toenails - trim trim trim
9. ingrown hair - great fun digging them out
10. balding - (or hair migration to the back) what is the point of this "evolutionary advance"?
I'm sure I missed many
1-3 are vestigial (Score:5, Insightful)
The same thing can be said of wisdom teeth, for example. Or paralell ports.
Presumably, as these structures continue to cause problems for some members of the species, while providing no advantages, evolutionary processes would eventually eliminate them.
Re:Bottom 10 Evolutionary advances (Score:4, Interesting)
Interestingly, atheletes about 100 years ago almost never had knee problems. But they had a lot more sprained ankles. Shoes have improved to provide significantly more ankle protection. But at what cost? Knee problems often become more serious/chronic than ankle problems. It seems that the body may be better suited to naturally handle ankle wear than knee wear. And we may have circumvented this.
Language as co-evloutionary (Score:3, Informative)
Virii - hypersexual gene modifyiers (Score:3, Interesting)
In other words - who is to say Virii are anti-evolutionary. Since virii are produced by the living and capable of carrying DNA and implanting it between living orgs.
It seems possible that virii could be used to communicate survival strategies between living orgs in real time rather than over generational time.
By merely surviving and exuding my DNA in the form of Virii, it stands that the population of DNA floating around in the air contains segments of info which belong exclusively to the surviving set, and if I can implement their codes, my chances of surviving are increased - moreover if i can incorporate the codes of my entire tribe into my child, then my offspring will bear the marks of all the living members of my community.
Thus the argument that virii are - hypersexual genetic hints used to inform genetic variation in real time.
AIK
sponges (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:Death? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Death? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Death? (Score:3, Insightful)
Ah, but if an organism that has the potential to live forever has children that will someday be able to compete with and eventually kill it, better to kill it asap instead of waiting for it to get strong. In fact, it's better to not have children at all.
Only organisms that will die no matter what they do have a motivation for helping their children survive. Since organisms that do not die of old age will not evolve, organisms that do not die of old age will eventually be killed by those that do die of old
Re:Death? (Score:3, Insightful)
-matthew
Re:Death? (Score:4, Insightful)
Speculating a reason for death... (Score:2)
I'm just speculating here, but what's to say that we didn't have "immortality" at the cellular level before? Perhaps cancer cells are a throwback to this earlier form. Everyone knows that cancer cells keep reproducing until they take down the host with them. That's not a very successful strategy. Perhaps there were organisms that kept growing and reproducing wit
Re:Death? (Score:5, Informative)
Immortality, now that would be a nice adaptation!
In the short and narrow terms, death seems like a failure but globally and long term, death is necessary for the survival of the species.
On a microscopic level death is vital to keep the whole organism healthy. The article specifically mentions cellular programmed suicide. Most of the time, cells in multicelluar bodies like ourselves commit suicide when they detect abnormalities in themselves. So far researchers have identified the gene (p53) in humans that directs this behavior. Cancer is the result when p53 fails to work correctly.
Macroscopically, death and evolution are mutually intertwined. The creatures with the most desirable traits can direct the path of the species with survival. Less desirable genes are removed from the population by death. In addition to gene and trait selection, death keeps populations healthy by keeping populations in check. Death ensures that limited resources are not depleted.
Imagine if every human that ever died of simple old age was still around today. I don't think the Earth could support that many humans. Because we at the top of the food chain, there are few if any predators that keep our population in check. We could easily deplete all the food, space, water, etc.
Re:Death? (Score:3, Interesting)
Just because you can live-forever does not mean you can avoid the statistics of fatal accidents.
You would get the odd person to live to over a 1000 just like we find people today that live beyond 100 years.
The really bad thing about people living forever is the jobs. How would you like the entry level position for the next 200 years and by the time you could get an advancement your skills would
Re:Death? (Score:3, Informative)
On an interesting note, it has been estimated that there are currently more people living than the number of people that have died in the history of humanity. Greatly moreso if you only count the deaths of th
Myth (Score:3, Informative)
Also depends on what you define as "people": go back 6,000 years? 10,000? 250,000?
Re:As a devout Christian American... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:As a devout Christian American... (Score:3, Funny)
You obviously know nothing about Gnosticism.
One or more of the Gnostic cults postulated that the "God" who created this Earth was a "blind, idiot God" and that there was a (female, IRRC) deity above him that would set things right eventually.
I think Angelina Jolie is her.
Re:How could they have forgotten (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!!! (Score:3, Funny)
Pope accepted Evolution (Score:3, Interesting)
Although it's open to interpretation, I'd say that this is a tacit admission that evolution is correct. [ewtn.com]
Sangloth
I'd appreciate any comment witb a logical basis...it doesn't even have to agree with me.
It wouldn't be a proper evolution discussion... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Programmed cell death? What is the evidence? (Score:3, Informative)
Original cells were (and are) essentially immortal. Bacteria are a case in point. They primarily replicate via binary fission. One begets two begets four begets eight, etc, etc. There is no clear dividing line between siblings of a split except, perhaps, for one or two DNA base changes as a matter of chance.
Any organism that has as a primary (or exclusive) means of replication binary fission is actually "immortal". There is no clear dividing line between sibling cells (perfect clones, like identical
Re:Fascinating Food for Thought (Score:5, Interesting)
The purpose of your life is whatever you decide it will be. If you want a grand purpose then give yourself one. If all you want to do is watch TV until you fall over dead one day, go for it. There is no grand purpose. The universe doesn't give a wet slap what you do or if you live or die.