AgroWaste to Oil a Growing Market 472
EvilTwinSkippy writes "Last May Slashdot covered the story of Changing World Tech's opening of a plant that converts agricultural waste to oil. Fortune magazine has picked up the story, and followed up on their success. Apparently the turkey guts are not as profitable to recycle as hoped, the company paying $30-$40/ton for animal offal. They are producing diesel fuel at $80/barrel (compared to $50/barrel for petroleum derived diesel). However, the plant has been successful enough to spawn ventures in Europe and the U.S. A pilot plant in Philadelphia has successfully used the process to safely break down and extract oil from sewage, medical waste, electronics, even leftovers from petroleum refining. The solids are metal, pure carbon, and fertilizer. And aside from gas and oil, the only other thing the system produces otherwise is sterile water."
Re:Economical? (Score:4, Informative)
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Thermal depolymerization, Appel says, has proved to be 85 percent energy efficient for complex feedstocks, such as turkey offal: "That means for every 100 Btus in the feedstock, we use only 15 Btus to run the process." He contends the efficiency is even better for relatively dry raw materials, such as plastics.
Re:Economical? (Score:5, Informative)
No process can be 100% (or more) efficient -- the CWT process is about 80%-85% efficient. That means that the remaining energy is turned to waste, so it obviously produces less energy at the end than when it started.
However, when looking at usable energy, the system is highly efficient. Most of the energy in the CWT comes from the energy stored in the "feedstock" (turkey guts, etc.). This is energy that would normally be slowly released as waste energy as the feedstocks decomposed. instead, this process turns that energy into useful products, primarily diesel fuel. Removing the energy from the feedstock, the process produces about 4-5 times more usable energy than it uses.
Re:Price may not be a problem for long (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, but this is not a turkey-specific process. Consider, e.g., biomass (waste or otherwise). From TFA [mindfully.org]:
Unlike other solid-to-liquid-fuel processes such as cornstarch into ethanol, this one will accept almost any carbon-based feedstock. If a 175-pound man fell into one end , he would come out the other end as 38 pounds of oil, 7 pounds of gas, and 7 pounds of minerals, as well as 123 pounds of sterilized water. While no one plans to put people into a thermal depolymerization machine, an intimate human creation could become a prime feedstock. "There is no reason why we can't turn sewage, including human excrement, into a glorious oil," says engineer Terry Adams, a project consultant. So the city of Philadelphia is in discussion with Changing World Technologies to begin doing exactly that.
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Re:Soylent Oil is(n't always) Turkey! (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Economical? (Score:5, Informative)
With the volatility of crude oil the way it is (heck, it's gone up over 5% today!) for no logical reason (they cite "unseasonably cold weather in the northeast US and Britain" - winter is always cold, and our reserves are higher than they were last year - go figure), any other alternatives that don't require a huge infrastructure change are welcome. Producing "petroleum" from waste is potentially a great way to reduce the volatility of crude oil.
It does nothing, though, to address the issues of using a carbon-based energy currency and the CO2 byproducts from that. It's definitely a novel idea, and the sooner we develop alternatives the better (it's a whole lot more difficult to develop alternatives when your reserves are depleted due to increased periodic costs - i.e., higher cost for crude oil).
* As my physics prof put it: "The first law says the best you can do is break even, and the second law says you can't even come close."
Steven Fitzpatrick/Biofine (Score:2, Informative)
$80 per barrel (Score:4, Informative)
Actual Cost Effective bioprocessing company (Score:2, Informative)
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Re:SEWAGE! (Score:1, Informative)
At 3.0 Million Gal/Day (Licence numbers) we are a SMALL plant - a plant like this located in the southern 3 countys of Maine could very easly get enough sludge from WWTP's alone to keep it running 24/7/365 if sized right, undercut all current options (best cost option - direct land application at about US$40/ton) - and since it would be a "single prodect facility," tweeking/tuning is a non-issue. Make sure you have a well blended input and seasonal vareations and the odd "bad load" mean nothing. Gas spill in the lines? NP! - HomeBizGuy dumps 25 gallons of NastyStripEXL(tm) down the drain? NP! Ever had to deal with Grease Trap Cleanings? (i have - trust me, turkey offal is preferable...) NP!
"In New England, a total of approximately 275,000 dry tons of municipal sewage sludge is produced" (according to NEBRA http://www.nebiosolids.org/how.html)
Dewatered sludge runs from 12->40 % Solids depending on the method used to dewater it and the type of sludge. Given the water issues there and the cost of trucking (in our case) 85% water 200 miles away, i am very much looking forward to this option over the long term.
1 Barrel == 42 gallons (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Economical? (Score:3, Informative)
Fertilizer derivation (Score:4, Informative)
High natural gas prices have driven some users to petroleum fuels, so the demand for fertilizer is increasing petroleum demand even if it isn't a direct petroleum product.
If their manufacture involves petrochemicals and their use increases the demand for oil, you might as well call them petroleum-derived.Re:I've got trouble believing that (Score:3, Informative)
Waste is usually stored up for about a year so that it can be applied to fields after harvest. Because of this, I think that the manure typically has a higher content of solids than what you'd see at a municipal waste facility. Also, hogs produce a lot of manure - I think that I've read that a medium sized confinement operation would produce the same amount of waste as a city of 30,000 people.
Re:Economical? (Score:5, Informative)
Perpetual Motion? I don't think you know what that means. They are adding TONS of turkey offal. That is where the energy is coming from. It isn't perpetual motion if you are constantly adding things (like, um, turkey offal).
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More of an irate cow actually. (Score:3, Informative)
Mad cow disease is caused by cows eating COWS (or sheep). The US has banned canabilistic feed. But remember that most diseases are species specific and by feeding turkeys to cows and cows to turkeys you prevent the spread of disease as efectivly as turning them into oil.
But remember that by doing this you will make the cost of feed go up which will make the cost of meat go up...
Two Cost Factors (Score:4, Informative)
The first is their exclusion from a tax break for biodiesel. This looks like a gross oversight which they may be able to get corrected. The article mentions this as being equivalent to a $1/gal. reduction in production costs, which would be significant.
The second is the cost of raw materials. Animal wastes are accounting for $15 to $20 per barrel. If they can source a raw material that is either free or they can charge to process, half or more of their cost difference vs. traditional diesel will be removed. The other option would be to remove the current primary market for animal byproducts, use in animal feed. This increases the viability in Europe.
If they could get both of those changes enacted, their cost per barrel could be near zero, certainly competitive with traditional sources.
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Re:Supply, Demand, Refinement, Scale (Score:2, Informative)
In California over 500,000 acres of rice are grown each year. Each acre produces 1-2.5 tons of rice straw which have been until now burned. Alternative methods of disposal are needed, and conversion to ethanol has been under development for several years. There are currently two projects underway proposing to use rice straw: one in California (Gridley) and one in Jennings, LA. If the Gridley project is fully implemented, it will add 25 million gallons of production to California's already-thin 9 million gallons per year. Barriers include collection costs and the high silica content (13%) of rice straw.
Other agricultural wastes include orchard trimmings, walnut and almond shells, and food processing wastes, for a total of about 700 MGY potential if ALL agricultural wastes were used. This is, of course, impractical, as some must be returned to the soil somehow, plus collection and transport costs will have an effect on viability of a particular waste product. Agricultural waste has the potential to satisfy a significant share of demand, with many factors to be considered when proposing a bio-refinery based on any feedstock, which are determined by full life-cycle analysis.
If 25% of the available material were used, about 175 million gallons per year could be produced.
That's good for less than one day of the country's oil consumption.
I still think that the technology is a great thing, since it puts all these waste products to good use, but I don't believe that, it is going to allow the U.S. to free itself from foreign oil any time in the near future.